Exporting Hate in the Name of GOD: Part 2

[RWNJ]

A while back, I started a thread entitled Exporting Hate in the Name of GOD: Americans Who Promote ANTI LGBT Agendas Overseas which has since gond dormant.

I introduced the topic by saying that "this is an issuen that has gotten too little attention. American's who go overseas to support, encourage and defend harsh anti-LGBT laws. These are extremists who are obsessed with denying rights to LGBT people. Having largely lost the fight at home, they are compelled to take it elsewhere."

In todays news there is a piece about a whole new cast of characters engaged the same type of bigoted proselytizing in Europe as the others are doing in Africa.

I thought that "Religion and Ethics " would be a fitting location for this new thread, since I find these activities -aimed at influencing foreign goverments to oppress a minority- decidedly unethical, as is undermining women's reproductive freedom. And they are using religion as a weapon to do so.

Here is the latest:

Leadership Institute Joins ADF To Train Religious Right Activists In Europe
Peter Montgomery | Right Wing Watch

In the latest sign that the U.S. Religious Right increasingly views its anti-LGBTQ and anti-choice activism as part of a global culture war, American activists will be part of the training team at next month’s European Advocacy Academy, which is designed to make European advocates for “traditional” views on sex, gender and family more effective—and to make them “part of an international network that transcends country borders.” U.S.-based Religious Right groups have actively promoted anti-LGBTQ equality measures in Europe under the banner of protecting the family.

The European Advocacy Academy is organized by European Dignity Watch, a Brussels-based nonprofit group founded in 2010 that says it “defends the most vital foundations of a free society: fundamental freedoms and responsibility, marriage and the family, and the protection of life from conception to natural death.”

I am especially appalled by their use of termns like "dignity", "free society" and "fundamental freedoms" while expousing a cavilier and hateful ideology towards fellow human being. The fact is though that they don't see LGBT people as human beings at all. They don't see them as beings who are desrving of dignity, freedome, marriage and family

Among those appearing in European Dignity Watch’s promotional video is board member Sophia Kuby, a cofounder and former executive director of the group who is now director of EU advocacy for ADF International. She also took part in this year’s World Congress of Families in Budapest, and in April’s Political Network for Values gathering in Brussels, the theme of which was “How Far Can We Get?”

If queers would simply keep it in the bedroom, where it belongs, no one would have a problem with them. But no. They flaunt it in our faces, then bitch and moan when we fail to accept and embrace them. They teach their perverted lifestyle to our children in school, without our consent, then use the courts to persecute anyone who doesn't like it. F*CK YOU!

If Christians could simply keep their bizarre beliefs in their homes and churches, no one would have a problem with them. But no. They flaunt it in our faces, then bitch and moan when we fail to accept and embrace them. They try to teach their crazy beliefs to our children, overtly in Christians schools, and through the back door in our public ones, without our consent, then use their infiltration of our government to try to force their beliefs on the entire country, and to persecute anyone who doesn't like it.

YOU'RE A FOOL!

 

[Slyhunter]

For a minute there I thought this was about the Muslim terror attack in NYC. But then I realize a left wing nutter thinks that hate in the name of religion is ok if it’s a Muslim.

Only a real stupid ass would believe that I, or any lefty would think that. Are you a stupid ass?

How many anti-muslim posts have you made?
You are a one note band.

 

[Slyhunter]

Thread Notice: I am not going to engage the trolls and flame baiters the crawl out from under their rocks on this thread. I will only respond to intelligent and reasonable comments.
Feel free to disagree with my characterization of what is going on but do so in a thoughtful and respectful way and if you're not mature or intelligent enough to do that, shut the fuck up

If you only want to discuss things where everyone agrees with you go to www.democraticunderground.com.

 

[Slyhunter]

A while back, I started a thread entitled Exporting Hate in the Name of GOD: Americans Who Promote ANTI LGBT Agendas Overseas which has since gond dormant.

I introduced the topic by saying that "this is an issuen that has gotten too little attention. American's who go overseas to support, encourage and defend harsh anti-LGBT laws. These are extremists who are obsessed with denying rights to LGBT people. Having largely lost the fight at home, they are compelled to take it elsewhere."

In todays news there is a piece about a whole new cast of characters engaged the same type of bigoted proselytizing in Europe as the others are doing in Africa.

I thought that "Religion and Ethics " would be a fitting location for this new thread, since I find these activities -aimed at influencing foreign goverments to oppress a minority- decidedly unethical, as is undermining women's reproductive freedom. And they are using religion as a weapon to do so.

Here is the latest:

Leadership Institute Joins ADF To Train Religious Right Activists In Europe
Peter Montgomery | Right Wing Watch

In the latest sign that the U.S. Religious Right increasingly views its anti-LGBTQ and anti-choice activism as part of a global culture war, American activists will be part of the training team at next month’s European Advocacy Academy, which is designed to make European advocates for “traditional” views on sex, gender and family more effective—and to make them “part of an international network that transcends country borders.” U.S.-based Religious Right groups have actively promoted anti-LGBTQ equality measures in Europe under the banner of protecting the family.

The European Advocacy Academy is organized by European Dignity Watch, a Brussels-based nonprofit group founded in 2010 that says it “defends the most vital foundations of a free society: fundamental freedoms and responsibility, marriage and the family, and the protection of life from conception to natural death.”

I am especially appalled by their use of termns like "dignity", "free society" and "fundamental freedoms" while expousing a cavilier and hateful ideology towards fellow human being. The fact is though that they don't see LGBT people as human beings at all. They don't see them as beings who are desrving of dignity, freedome, marriage and family

Among those appearing in European Dignity Watch’s promotional video is board member Sophia Kuby, a cofounder and former executive director of the group who is now director of EU advocacy for ADF International. She also took part in this year’s World Congress of Families in Budapest, and in April’s Political Network for Values gathering in Brussels, the theme of which was “How Far Can We Get?”

If queers would simply keep it in the bedroom, where it belongs, no one would have a problem with them. But no. They flaunt it in our faces, then bitch and moan when we fail to accept and embrace them. They teach their perverted lifestyle to our children in school, without our consent, then use the courts to persecute anyone who doesn't like it. F*CK YOU!

Oh give me a fucking break. !! When was the last time that you saw a gay or lesbian person having sex except on those porn sites that I suspect that you frequent? Stick to the topic.

They bitch and moan when they are marginalized and discriminated against, the same way tat you would if you were discriminated against for being whatever the hell it is that you are.

Teach children what exactly?? Children are taught tolerance and acceptance of people who are different. If you have a problem with that you are beyond help. Stop being stupid !

Children are taught to fuck each other up the ass. And that should not be tolerated.

 

[Slyhunter]

A while back, I started a thread entitled Exporting Hate in the Name of GOD: Americans Who Promote ANTI LGBT Agendas Overseas which has since gond dormant.

I introduced the topic by saying that "this is an issuen that has gotten too little attention. American's who go overseas to support, encourage and defend harsh anti-LGBT laws. These are extremists who are obsessed with denying rights to LGBT people. Having largely lost the fight at home, they are compelled to take it elsewhere."

In todays news there is a piece about a whole new cast of characters engaged the same type of bigoted proselytizing in Europe as the others are doing in Africa.

I thought that "Religion and Ethics " would be a fitting location for this new thread, since I find these activities -aimed at influencing foreign goverments to oppress a minority- decidedly unethical, as is undermining women's reproductive freedom. And they are using religion as a weapon to do so.

Here is the latest:

Leadership Institute Joins ADF To Train Religious Right Activists In Europe
Peter Montgomery | Right Wing Watch

In the latest sign that the U.S. Religious Right increasingly views its anti-LGBTQ and anti-choice activism as part of a global culture war, American activists will be part of the training team at next month’s European Advocacy Academy, which is designed to make European advocates for “traditional” views on sex, gender and family more effective—and to make them “part of an international network that transcends country borders.” U.S.-based Religious Right groups have actively promoted anti-LGBTQ equality measures in Europe under the banner of protecting the family.

The European Advocacy Academy is organized by European Dignity Watch, a Brussels-based nonprofit group founded in 2010 that says it “defends the most vital foundations of a free society: fundamental freedoms and responsibility, marriage and the family, and the protection of life from conception to natural death.”

I am especially appalled by their use of termns like "dignity", "free society" and "fundamental freedoms" while expousing a cavilier and hateful ideology towards fellow human being. The fact is though that they don't see LGBT people as human beings at all. They don't see them as beings who are desrving of dignity, freedome, marriage and family

Among those appearing in European Dignity Watch’s promotional video is board member Sophia Kuby, a cofounder and former executive director of the group who is now director of EU advocacy for ADF International. She also took part in this year’s World Congress of Families in Budapest, and in April’s Political Network for Values gathering in Brussels, the theme of which was “How Far Can We Get?”

If queers would simply keep it in the bedroom, where it belongs, no one would have a problem with them. But no. They flaunt it in our faces, then bitch and moan when we fail to accept and embrace them. They teach their perverted lifestyle to our children in school, without our consent, then use the courts to persecute anyone who doesn't like it. F*CK YOU!

If Christians could simply keep their bizarre beliefs in their homes and churches, no one would have a problem with them. But no. They flaunt it in our faces, then bitch and moan when we fail to accept and embrace them. They try to teach their crazy beliefs to our children, overtly in Christians schools, and through the back door in our public ones, without our consent, then use their infiltration of our government to try to force their beliefs on the entire country, and to persecute anyone who doesn't like it.

Better than running you over while hollering "God is Great!"

 

[Avatar4321]

Decrying sin isn't hate.

If it was we would let the sinners rot in their sin rather than spend time being hated preaching to them.

Marriage between a man and a woman is essential to God's plan of happiness. Living a life contrary will always lead to misery.

 

[Avatar4321]

Thread Notice: I am not going to engage the trolls and flame baiters the crawl out from under their rocks on this thread. I will only respond to intelligent and reasonable comments.
Feel free to disagree with my characterization of what is going on but do so in a thoughtful and respectful way and if you're not mature or intelligent enough to do that, shut the fuck up

Sounds good. We will do the same

 

[Avatar4321]

A while back, I started a thread entitled Exporting Hate in the Name of GOD: Americans Who Promote ANTI LGBT Agendas Overseas which has since gond dormant.

I introduced the topic by saying that "this is an issuen that has gotten too little attention. American's who go overseas to support, encourage and defend harsh anti-LGBT laws. These are extremists who are obsessed with denying rights to LGBT people. Having largely lost the fight at home, they are compelled to take it elsewhere."

In todays news there is a piece about a whole new cast of characters engaged the same type of bigoted proselytizing in Europe as the others are doing in Africa.

I thought that "Religion and Ethics " would be a fitting location for this new thread, since I find these activities -aimed at influencing foreign goverments to oppress a minority- decidedly unethical, as is undermining women's reproductive freedom. And they are using religion as a weapon to do so.

Here is the latest:

Leadership Institute Joins ADF To Train Religious Right Activists In Europe
Peter Montgomery | Right Wing Watch

In the latest sign that the U.S. Religious Right increasingly views its anti-LGBTQ and anti-choice activism as part of a global culture war, American activists will be part of the training team at next month’s European Advocacy Academy, which is designed to make European advocates for “traditional” views on sex, gender and family more effective—and to make them “part of an international network that transcends country borders.” U.S.-based Religious Right groups have actively promoted anti-LGBTQ equality measures in Europe under the banner of protecting the family.

The European Advocacy Academy is organized by European Dignity Watch, a Brussels-based nonprofit group founded in 2010 that says it “defends the most vital foundations of a free society: fundamental freedoms and responsibility, marriage and the family, and the protection of life from conception to natural death.”

I am especially appalled by their use of termns like "dignity", "free society" and "fundamental freedoms" while expousing a cavilier and hateful ideology towards fellow human being. The fact is though that they don't see LGBT people as human beings at all. They don't see them as beings who are desrving of dignity, freedome, marriage and family

Among those appearing in European Dignity Watch’s promotional video is board member Sophia Kuby, a cofounder and former executive director of the group who is now director of EU advocacy for ADF International. She also took part in this year’s World Congress of Families in Budapest, and in April’s Political Network for Values gathering in Brussels, the theme of which was “How Far Can We Get?”

If queers would simply keep it in the bedroom, where it belongs, no one would have a problem with them. But no. They flaunt it in our faces, then bitch and moan when we fail to accept and embrace them. They teach their perverted lifestyle to our children in school, without our consent, then use the courts to persecute anyone who doesn't like it. F*CK YOU!

Oh give me a fucking break. !! When was the last time that you saw a gay or lesbian person having sex except on those porn sites that I suspect that you frequent? Stick to the topic.

They bitch and moan when they are marginalized and discriminated against, the same way tat you would if you were discriminated against for being whatever the hell it is that you are.

Teach children what exactly?? Children are taught tolerance and acceptance of people who are different. If you have a problem with that you are beyond help. Stop being stupid !

Children are taught to fuck each other up the ass. And that should not be tolerated.

And yet we tolerate it in our media.

Look at how many Hollywood sex scandals have been coming forth that everyone in the industry knew about and no one did a thing to stop. And these are the people we let into our homes preaching on their soap boxes in show after show.

Is it any wonder our culture is so corrupt and dark? Is it a wonder sin is so prevelant?

 

[RWNJ]

A while back, I started a thread entitled Exporting Hate in the Name of GOD: Americans Who Promote ANTI LGBT Agendas Overseas which has since gond dormant.

I introduced the topic by saying that "this is an issuen that has gotten too little attention. American's who go overseas to support, encourage and defend harsh anti-LGBT laws. These are extremists who are obsessed with denying rights to LGBT people. Having largely lost the fight at home, they are compelled to take it elsewhere."

In todays news there is a piece about a whole new cast of characters engaged the same type of bigoted proselytizing in Europe as the others are doing in Africa.

I thought that "Religion and Ethics " would be a fitting location for this new thread, since I find these activities -aimed at influencing foreign goverments to oppress a minority- decidedly unethical, as is undermining women's reproductive freedom. And they are using religion as a weapon to do so.

Here is the latest:

Leadership Institute Joins ADF To Train Religious Right Activists In Europe
Peter Montgomery | Right Wing Watch

In the latest sign that the U.S. Religious Right increasingly views its anti-LGBTQ and anti-choice activism as part of a global culture war, American activists will be part of the training team at next month’s European Advocacy Academy, which is designed to make European advocates for “traditional” views on sex, gender and family more effective—and to make them “part of an international network that transcends country borders.” U.S.-based Religious Right groups have actively promoted anti-LGBTQ equality measures in Europe under the banner of protecting the family.

The European Advocacy Academy is organized by European Dignity Watch, a Brussels-based nonprofit group founded in 2010 that says it “defends the most vital foundations of a free society: fundamental freedoms and responsibility, marriage and the family, and the protection of life from conception to natural death.”

I am especially appalled by their use of termns like "dignity", "free society" and "fundamental freedoms" while expousing a cavilier and hateful ideology towards fellow human being. The fact is though that they don't see LGBT people as human beings at all. They don't see them as beings who are desrving of dignity, freedome, marriage and family

Among those appearing in European Dignity Watch’s promotional video is board member Sophia Kuby, a cofounder and former executive director of the group who is now director of EU advocacy for ADF International. She also took part in this year’s World Congress of Families in Budapest, and in April’s Political Network for Values gathering in Brussels, the theme of which was “How Far Can We Get?”

If queers would simply keep it in the bedroom, where it belongs, no one would have a problem with them. But no. They flaunt it in our faces, then bitch and moan when we fail to accept and embrace them. They teach their perverted lifestyle to our children in school, without our consent, then use the courts to persecute anyone who doesn't like it. F*CK YOU!

Oh give me a fucking break. !! When was the last time that you saw a gay or lesbian person having sex except on those porn sites that I suspect that you frequent? Stick to the topic.

They bitch and moan when they are marginalized and discriminated against, the same way tat you would if you were discriminated against for being whatever the hell it is that you are.

Teach children what exactly?? Children are taught tolerance and acceptance of people who are different. If you have a problem with that you are beyond help. Stop being stupid !

Children are taught to fuck each other up the ass. And that should not be tolerated.

And yet we tolerate it in our media.

Look at how many Hollywood sex scandals have been coming forth that everyone in the industry knew about and no one did a thing to stop. And these are the people we let into our homes preaching on their soap boxes in show after show.

Is it any wonder our culture is so corrupt and dark? Is it a wonder sin is so prevelant?

America suffers from all ten signs of a dying culture.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Decrying sin isn't hate.

If it was we would let the sinners rot in their sin rather than spend time being hated preaching to them.

Marriage between a man and a woman is essential to God's plan of happiness. Living a life contrary will always lead to misery.

I don't relate to the concept of sin and anyone who thinks that they know what "gods plan" is - is delusional.

 

[miketx]

Why do the buttstains post in Religion and ethics? They have neither.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

A while back, I started a thread entitled Exporting Hate in the Name of GOD: Americans Who Promote ANTI LGBT Agendas Overseas which has since gond dormant.

I introduced the topic by saying that "this is an issuen that has gotten too little attention. American's who go overseas to support, encourage and defend harsh anti-LGBT laws. These are extremists who are obsessed with denying rights to LGBT people. Having largely lost the fight at home, they are compelled to take it elsewhere."

In todays news there is a piece about a whole new cast of characters engaged the same type of bigoted proselytizing in Europe as the others are doing in Africa.

I thought that "Religion and Ethics " would be a fitting location for this new thread, since I find these activities -aimed at influencing foreign goverments to oppress a minority- decidedly unethical, as is undermining women's reproductive freedom. And they are using religion as a weapon to do so.

Here is the latest:

Leadership Institute Joins ADF To Train Religious Right Activists In Europe
Peter Montgomery | Right Wing Watch

In the latest sign that the U.S. Religious Right increasingly views its anti-LGBTQ and anti-choice activism as part of a global culture war, American activists will be part of the training team at next month’s European Advocacy Academy, which is designed to make European advocates for “traditional” views on sex, gender and family more effective—and to make them “part of an international network that transcends country borders.” U.S.-based Religious Right groups have actively promoted anti-LGBTQ equality measures in Europe under the banner of protecting the family.

The European Advocacy Academy is organized by European Dignity Watch, a Brussels-based nonprofit group founded in 2010 that says it “defends the most vital foundations of a free society: fundamental freedoms and responsibility, marriage and the family, and the protection of life from conception to natural death.”

I am especially appalled by their use of termns like "dignity", "free society" and "fundamental freedoms" while expousing a cavilier and hateful ideology towards fellow human being. The fact is though that they don't see LGBT people as human beings at all. They don't see them as beings who are desrving of dignity, freedome, marriage and family

Among those appearing in European Dignity Watch’s promotional video is board member Sophia Kuby, a cofounder and former executive director of the group who is now director of EU advocacy for ADF International. She also took part in this year’s World Congress of Families in Budapest, and in April’s Political Network for Values gathering in Brussels, the theme of which was “How Far Can We Get?”

If queers would simply keep it in the bedroom, where it belongs, no one would have a problem with them. But no. They flaunt it in our faces, then bitch and moan when we fail to accept and embrace them. They teach their perverted lifestyle to our children in school, without our consent, then use the courts to persecute anyone who doesn't like it. F*CK YOU!

Oh give me a fucking break. !! When was the last time that you saw a gay or lesbian person having sex except on those porn sites that I suspect that you frequent? Stick to the topic.

They bitch and moan when they are marginalized and discriminated against, the same way tat you would if you were discriminated against for being whatever the hell it is that you are.

Teach children what exactly?? Children are taught tolerance and acceptance of people who are different. If you have a problem with that you are beyond help. Stop being stupid !

Children are taught to fuck each other up the ass. And that should not be tolerated.

And yet we tolerate it in our media.

Look at how many Hollywood sex scandals have been coming forth that everyone in the industry knew about and no one did a thing to stop. And these are the people we let into our homes preaching on their soap boxes in show after show.

Is it any wonder our culture is so corrupt and dark? Is it a wonder sin is so prevelant?

WE do not tolerate anything. We are not the media moguls. We are outraged that this has happened and, if you noticed, there is a backlash.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

A while back, I started a thread entitled Exporting Hate in the Name of GOD: Americans Who Promote ANTI LGBT Agendas Overseas which has since gond dormant.

I introduced the topic by saying that "this is an issuen that has gotten too little attention. American's who go overseas to support, encourage and defend harsh anti-LGBT laws. These are extremists who are obsessed with denying rights to LGBT people. Having largely lost the fight at home, they are compelled to take it elsewhere."

In todays news there is a piece about a whole new cast of characters engaged the same type of bigoted proselytizing in Europe as the others are doing in Africa.

I thought that "Religion and Ethics " would be a fitting location for this new thread, since I find these activities -aimed at influencing foreign goverments to oppress a minority- decidedly unethical, as is undermining women's reproductive freedom. And they are using religion as a weapon to do so.

Here is the latest:

Leadership Institute Joins ADF To Train Religious Right Activists In Europe
Peter Montgomery | Right Wing Watch

I am especially appalled by their use of termns like "dignity", "free society" and "fundamental freedoms" while expousing a cavilier and hateful ideology towards fellow human being. The fact is though that they don't see LGBT people as human beings at all. They don't see them as beings who are desrving of dignity, freedome, marriage and family

Among those appearing in European Dignity Watch’s promotional video is board member Sophia Kuby, a cofounder and former executive director of the group who is now director of EU advocacy for ADF International. She also took part in this year’s World Congress of Families in Budapest, and in April’s Political Network for Values gathering in Brussels, the theme of which was “How Far Can We Get?”

If queers would simply keep it in the bedroom, where it belongs, no one would have a problem with them. But no. They flaunt it in our faces, then bitch and moan when we fail to accept and embrace them. They teach their perverted lifestyle to our children in school, without our consent, then use the courts to persecute anyone who doesn't like it. F*CK YOU!

Oh give me a fucking break. !! When was the last time that you saw a gay or lesbian person having sex except on those porn sites that I suspect that you frequent? Stick to the topic.

They bitch and moan when they are marginalized and discriminated against, the same way tat you would if you were discriminated against for being whatever the hell it is that you are.

Teach children what exactly?? Children are taught tolerance and acceptance of people who are different. If you have a problem with that you are beyond help. Stop being stupid !

Children are taught to fuck each other up the ass. And that should not be tolerated.

And yet we tolerate it in our media.

Look at how many Hollywood sex scandals have been coming forth that everyone in the industry knew about and no one did a thing to stop. And these are the people we let into our homes preaching on their soap boxes in show after show.

Is it any wonder our culture is so corrupt and dark? Is it a wonder sin is so prevelant?

America suffers from all ten signs of a dying culture.

Trumps election is the first but what are the others?

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Thread Notice: I am not going to engage the trolls and flame baiters the crawl out from under their rocks on this thread. I will only respond to intelligent and reasonable comments.
Feel free to disagree with my characterization of what is going on but do so in a thoughtful and respectful way and if you're not mature or intelligent enough to do that, shut the fuck up

If you only want to discuss things where everyone agrees with you go to www.democraticunderground.com.

Are you really that brain damaged??!! I specifically said "Feel free to disagree with my characterization of what is going ......"

 

[peach174]

A while back, I started a thread entitled Exporting Hate in the Name of GOD: Americans Who Promote ANTI LGBT Agendas Overseas which has since gond dormant.

I introduced the topic by saying that "this is an issuen that has gotten too little attention. American's who go overseas to support, encourage and defend harsh anti-LGBT laws. These are extremists who are obsessed with denying rights to LGBT people. Having largely lost the fight at home, they are compelled to take it elsewhere."

In todays news there is a piece about a whole new cast of characters engaged the same type of bigoted proselytizing in Europe as the others are doing in Africa.

I thought that "Religion and Ethics " would be a fitting location for this new thread, since I find these activities -aimed at influencing foreign goverments to oppress a minority- decidedly unethical, as is undermining women's reproductive freedom. And they are using religion as a weapon to do so.

Here is the latest:

Leadership Institute Joins ADF To Train Religious Right Activists In Europe
Peter Montgomery | Right Wing Watch

In the latest sign that the U.S. Religious Right increasingly views its anti-LGBTQ and anti-choice activism as part of a global culture war, American activists will be part of the training team at next month’s European Advocacy Academy, which is designed to make European advocates for “traditional” views on sex, gender and family more effective—and to make them “part of an international network that transcends country borders.” U.S.-based Religious Right groups have actively promoted anti-LGBTQ equality measures in Europe under the banner of protecting the family.

The European Advocacy Academy is organized by European Dignity Watch, a Brussels-based nonprofit group founded in 2010 that says it “defends the most vital foundations of a free society: fundamental freedoms and responsibility, marriage and the family, and the protection of life from conception to natural death.”

I am especially appalled by their use of termns like "dignity", "free society" and "fundamental freedoms" while expousing a cavilier and hateful ideology towards fellow human being. The fact is though that they don't see LGBT people as human beings at all. They don't see them as beings who are desrving of dignity, freedome, marriage and family

Among those appearing in European Dignity Watch’s promotional video is board member Sophia Kuby, a cofounder and former executive director of the group who is now director of EU advocacy for ADF International. She also took part in this year’s World Congress of Families in Budapest, and in April’s Political Network for Values gathering in Brussels, the theme of which was “How Far Can We Get?”

Polls have been pretty consistent since 2010 of 60% of Americans are for gay marriage.
That does not sound like they think of them as not being human beings who should not have legal rights.
The division is on how the marriages and businesses should be done.
The churches or businesses should not be forced to accommodate them one way or the other.

 

[Meriweather]

I don't relate to the concept of sin and anyone who thinks that they know what "gods plan" is - is delusional.

The concept of sin is very easy. The original (and still best) definition is missing the mark, or the ideal. God is pure love, and love wants what is best or ideal.

The problem with hate the sin, love the sinner, is that any hate that can exist in the presence of love only proves, in that case, the "love" being offered is not true love. Hate cannot exist in true love. Should people point out why it is not ideal to pursue LGBT agendas? Yes, as it has been shown that physical and mental health issues are at risk, which by the way is the basis for ever other sin as well, and the reason we don't encourage the falsehood agenda, the adultery agenda, the coveting agenda, etc.

Another reason an open agenda of LGBT might be discouraged is that it can have some very adverse effects on teens who already are embroiled in difficult lives who are looking for answers anywhere, and hop into LGBT experimenting only to discover things can get worse. Troubled teens (troubled by issues others than sex)--and those of us who work with troubled teens--now have this minefield to manage as well.

 

[peach174]

A while back, I started a thread entitled Exporting Hate in the Name of GOD: Americans Who Promote ANTI LGBT Agendas Overseas which has since gond dormant.

I introduced the topic by saying that "this is an issuen that has gotten too little attention. American's who go overseas to support, encourage and defend harsh anti-LGBT laws. These are extremists who are obsessed with denying rights to LGBT people. Having largely lost the fight at home, they are compelled to take it elsewhere."

In todays news there is a piece about a whole new cast of characters engaged the same type of bigoted proselytizing in Europe as the others are doing in Africa.

I thought that "Religion and Ethics " would be a fitting location for this new thread, since I find these activities -aimed at influencing foreign goverments to oppress a minority- decidedly unethical, as is undermining women's reproductive freedom. And they are using religion as a weapon to do so.

Here is the latest:

Leadership Institute Joins ADF To Train Religious Right Activists In Europe
Peter Montgomery | Right Wing Watch

In the latest sign that the U.S. Religious Right increasingly views its anti-LGBTQ and anti-choice activism as part of a global culture war, American activists will be part of the training team at next month’s European Advocacy Academy, which is designed to make European advocates for “traditional” views on sex, gender and family more effective—and to make them “part of an international network that transcends country borders.” U.S.-based Religious Right groups have actively promoted anti-LGBTQ equality measures in Europe under the banner of protecting the family.

The European Advocacy Academy is organized by European Dignity Watch, a Brussels-based nonprofit group founded in 2010 that says it “defends the most vital foundations of a free society: fundamental freedoms and responsibility, marriage and the family, and the protection of life from conception to natural death.”

I am especially appalled by their use of termns like "dignity", "free society" and "fundamental freedoms" while expousing a cavilier and hateful ideology towards fellow human being. The fact is though that they don't see LGBT people as human beings at all. They don't see them as beings who are desrving of dignity, freedome, marriage and family

Among those appearing in European Dignity Watch’s promotional video is board member Sophia Kuby, a cofounder and former executive director of the group who is now director of EU advocacy for ADF International. She also took part in this year’s World Congress of Families in Budapest, and in April’s Political Network for Values gathering in Brussels, the theme of which was “How Far Can We Get?”

What have queers done for us, aside from giving us AIDS?

Well, Alan Turing cracked the code for the enigma machine during WWII, which may well have been the most important turning point in the war, just to name one. We all should be gratefull.

We also have Walt Whiteman and Tennessee Williams .

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Polls have been pretty consistent since 2010 of 60% of Americans are for gay marriage.
That does not sound like they think of them as not being human beings who should not have legal rights.

Please focus and deal with what is being said here. The issue is not public support. The issue is a small minority of vocal bigots who are trying to undermine that support and they do seem to view LGBT people as sub human.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

The division is on how the marriages and businesses should be done.
The churches or businesses should not be forced to accommodate them one way or the other.

Again please focus. That is not the issue we are dealing with here. However, I will say this: All religious institutions are exempt from having to accommodate gays if they choose not to. Places of public accommodation are another story. That issue has been beaten to death on this forum and it is off topic for this thread.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

I don't relate to the concept of sin and anyone who thinks that they know what "gods plan" is - is delusional.

The concept of sin is very easy. The original (and still best) definition is missing the mark, or the ideal. God is pure love, and love wants what is best or ideal.

The problem with hate the sin, love the sinner, is that any hate that can exist in the presence of love only proves, in that case, the "love" being offered is not true love. Hate cannot exist in true love. Should people point out why it is not ideal to pursue LGBT agendas? Yes, as it has been shown that physical and mental health issues are at risk, which by the way is the basis for ever other sin as well, and the reason we don't encourage the falsehood agenda, the adultery agenda, the coveting agenda, etc.

Another reason an open agenda of LGBT might be discouraged is that it can have some very adverse effects on teens who already are embroiled in difficult lives who are looking for answers anywhere, and hop into LGBT experimenting only to discover things can get worse. Troubled teens (troubled by issues others than sex)--and those of us who work with troubled teens--now have this minefield to manage as well.

Those physical and mental health issues, and adverse effects on teens are the result of discrimination, marginalization, and attempts to force people to hide who they are and live in shame and fear. There are LGBT people and they are what they are. They are not going to change or go away.