Explanation of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict

[fanger]

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[Phoenall]

Setting aside the fact that these were Europeans with the intent to colonize Palestine, you are making things up as Zionists do. Nothing of sort happened. The Europeans did buy some land but the non-Jews still owned at least 85% of the land at the time of partition.

"164. The Arab population, despite the strenuous efforts of Jews to acquire land in Palestine, at present remains in possession of approximately 85 per cent of the land. "

A 364 of 3 September 1947

The Christians and Muslims were prevented from returning to their homes by the Jews that had expelled them by the Israeli imposition of the the Absentees’ Property Law, 5710- 1950. You can look it up, but in short it says that any Palestinian that left between 1947 and 1950 lost his home and land to the Jewish state.

The operative word being possession, just as now Israel is in possession of 100% of the West Bank. Want to build a case around that freeddy boy

 

[Phoenall]

Setting aside the fact that these were Europeans with the intent to colonize Palestine, you are making things up as Zionists do. Nothing of sort happened. The Europeans did buy some land but the non-Jews still owned at least 85% of the land at the time of partition.

"164. The Arab population, despite the strenuous efforts of Jews to acquire land in Palestine, at present remains in possession of approximately 85 per cent of the land. "

A 364 of 3 September 1947

The Christians and Muslims were prevented from returning to their homes by the Jews that had expelled them by the Israeli imposition of the the Absentees’ Property Law, 5710- 1950. You can look it up, but in short it says that any Palestinian that left between 1947 and 1950 lost his home and land to the Jewish state.

Then Israel colonized that Palestinian land and built settlements.

Make your mind up when did it become Palestinian land if Israel is stopping them from becoming a state ?

 

[Phoenall]

montelatici, et al,

Well, this is not exactly accurate and some what exaggerated.

Wow, that's a leap. Let me get this straight. The Zionists did not intend to colonize Palestine because they only colonized a large part of it. Setting aside that they control all of Palestine and the Israeli PM has stated that there will be no Palestinian state, most of Palestine was, in fact colonized. Your dog won't hunt.

(COMMENT)

Some salient points under Mandate:

• Not all Jewish Immigrants were Zionist.
• Jewish immigration was encourage.
• Immigration included all Jews who were willing to assist in the establishment of the Jewish national home.
• In co-operation with the Jewish Agency, close settlement by Jews on the land, west of the Jordan River.

Some salient points after Mandate:

• The Jewish Agency completed the UN Steps Preparatory to Independence.
• In 1949 the Gaza Strip came under the administration of the All Palestine Government (dissolved in 1959) controlled by the Egyptian Military Governorship.
• In 1950, the West Bank (Unification of the Two Banks) became sovereign Jordanian Territory.
• On 5 June 1967, hostilities broke out between Israel and Egypt, Jordan and Syria. By the time a ceasefire called for by the Security Council was accepted by the parties, Israeli military forces had occupied the Egyptian Sinai, the Gaza Strip, the West Bank including East Jerusalem, and part of the Syrian Golan Heights.
• 1997 Oslo II - Area C under full Israeli civil and security control. Settlements are subject to permanent status negotiations:
  • By Agreement with the PLO, "the Settlements" means,
    • In the West Bank - the settlements in Area C;
    • and in the Gaza Strip -
    • the Gush Katif and Erez settlement areas

The Israelis never occupied Palestinian Territory; they did occupied Egyptian Governed Territory and Jordanian Sovereign Territory. The Arab Palestinian rejected the opportunity to establish a State (more than once) until 1988, when they finally declared Independence while the territory was already under military occupation; but four months after the Jordanians cut all ties with the West Bank. During the tenure of the Mandate and the and the time since independence, the Jewish Immigrants never never represented a colonial power; no relationships between a colonial power and any Jewish Settlement was established while the territory was under under the Mandate. In fact the Jewish Immigrants were not all from the same country, or even the same continent; and could not represent a single power.

The purpose of the occupation is to extend the protections to the sovereignty and integrity of Israel against an opponent that does not recognize the State of Israel; and holds the political position that the Arab Palestinian is the only legitimate sovereign to the territory that covers the land west of the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea. This is the same opponent that has declared Jihad (Holy War), and considers any means necessary to take in the eviction of the State of Israel as legal and legitimate. This threat was made in February 1948, and has appeared in the Islamic Resistance Movement Covenant, the Palestinian Nation Charter, and most recently, the the 2013 Official Position Paper published by the Khaled Mashaal, Political Leader, Islamic Resistance Movement and Unity Government Partner. Given the previous history of past behaviors, and actual response to the 2005 Disengagement from the Gaza Strip, the Occupation of Palestinian territory there is no reason to believe that an agreement to suspend combat (or any formal Peace Agreement) will be honored by the Palestinian Regime; and that the Palestinians have every intention of attacking by surprise the enemy relying on Peace Agreement they conclude. Based on the current position of the Arab Palestinians there is essentially little prospect for a peace agreement that will have any success.

Most Respectfully,
R

Not all Jewish Immigrants were Zionist.​

That is true. The Zionists imported Jews from anywhere to populate their settlements. Most were probably unaware of the colonial project.

The Arab Palestinian rejected the opportunity to establish a State (more than once) until 1988,...​

Not true. Palestine was already a provisional state under mandate and they declared independence in 1948 after the Mandate left Palestine.

WRONG as I have just shown the non Palestinian government from Cairo was not qualified to declare independence in 1948. The rest of Palestine was mot represented and opposed the move. No state of Palestine existed until 1988

 

[Phoenall]

We are separate nations, with separate nationalities, separate cultures, separate languages, separate cuisines and separate borders. We are not pan European nationalists like the arab nationals, but we can be a cohesive force against islamonazi attacks and after the latest atrocities expect recriminations.

 

[Phoenall]

montelatici, et al,

Well, this is not exactly accurate and some what exaggerated.

Wow, that's a leap. Let me get this straight. The Zionists did not intend to colonize Palestine because they only colonized a large part of it. Setting aside that they control all of Palestine and the Israeli PM has stated that there will be no Palestinian state, most of Palestine was, in fact colonized. Your dog won't hunt.

(COMMENT)

Some salient points under Mandate:

• Not all Jewish Immigrants were Zionist.
• Jewish immigration was encourage.
• Immigration included all Jews who were willing to assist in the establishment of the Jewish national home.
• In co-operation with the Jewish Agency, close settlement by Jews on the land, west of the Jordan River.

Some salient points after Mandate:

• The Jewish Agency completed the UN Steps Preparatory to Independence.
• In 1949 the Gaza Strip came under the administration of the All Palestine Government (dissolved in 1959) controlled by the Egyptian Military Governorship.
• In 1950, the West Bank (Unification of the Two Banks) became sovereign Jordanian Territory.
• On 5 June 1967, hostilities broke out between Israel and Egypt, Jordan and Syria. By the time a ceasefire called for by the Security Council was accepted by the parties, Israeli military forces had occupied the Egyptian Sinai, the Gaza Strip, the West Bank including East Jerusalem, and part of the Syrian Golan Heights.
• 1997 Oslo II - Area C under full Israeli civil and security control. Settlements are subject to permanent status negotiations:
  • By Agreement with the PLO, "the Settlements" means,
    • In the West Bank - the settlements in Area C;
    • and in the Gaza Strip -
    • the Gush Katif and Erez settlement areas

The Israelis never occupied Palestinian Territory; they did occupied Egyptian Governed Territory and Jordanian Sovereign Territory. The Arab Palestinian rejected the opportunity to establish a State (more than once) until 1988, when they finally declared Independence while the territory was already under military occupation; but four months after the Jordanians cut all ties with the West Bank. During the tenure of the Mandate and the and the time since independence, the Jewish Immigrants never never represented a colonial power; no relationships between a colonial power and any Jewish Settlement was established while the territory was under under the Mandate. In fact the Jewish Immigrants were not all from the same country, or even the same continent; and could not represent a single power.

The purpose of the occupation is to extend the protections to the sovereignty and integrity of Israel against an opponent that does not recognize the State of Israel; and holds the political position that the Arab Palestinian is the only legitimate sovereign to the territory that covers the land west of the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea. This is the same opponent that has declared Jihad (Holy War), and considers any means necessary to take in the eviction of the State of Israel as legal and legitimate. This threat was made in February 1948, and has appeared in the Islamic Resistance Movement Covenant, the Palestinian Nation Charter, and most recently, the the 2013 Official Position Paper published by the Khaled Mashaal, Political Leader, Islamic Resistance Movement and Unity Government Partner. Given the previous history of past behaviors, and actual response to the 2005 Disengagement from the Gaza Strip, the Occupation of Palestinian territory there is no reason to believe that an agreement to suspend combat (or any formal Peace Agreement) will be honored by the Palestinian Regime; and that the Palestinians have every intention of attacking by surprise the enemy relying on Peace Agreement they conclude. Based on the current position of the Arab Palestinians there is essentially little prospect for a peace agreement that will have any success.

Most Respectfully,
R

The "purpose of the occupation" has extended far beyond the "protections to the sovereignty and integrity of Israel" - it has extended to attempting to permanently keep the land it is occupying through "settlements" and through restricting Palestinian settlements.

Why do people keep pretending that it is ONLY about security when their very actions indicate it isn't?

Do you have a link stating this as a fact from an Israeli government source

 

[Phoenall]

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MORE ISLAMONAZI PROPAGANDA.............I give you pallywood and gaza as examples of this being a fallacy

 

[toastman]

montelatici, et al,

Well, this is not exactly accurate and some what exaggerated.

Wow, that's a leap. Let me get this straight. The Zionists did not intend to colonize Palestine because they only colonized a large part of it. Setting aside that they control all of Palestine and the Israeli PM has stated that there will be no Palestinian state, most of Palestine was, in fact colonized. Your dog won't hunt.

(COMMENT)

Some salient points under Mandate:

• Not all Jewish Immigrants were Zionist.
• Jewish immigration was encourage.
• Immigration included all Jews who were willing to assist in the establishment of the Jewish national home.
• In co-operation with the Jewish Agency, close settlement by Jews on the land, west of the Jordan River.

Some salient points after Mandate:

• The Jewish Agency completed the UN Steps Preparatory to Independence.
• In 1949 the Gaza Strip came under the administration of the All Palestine Government (dissolved in 1959) controlled by the Egyptian Military Governorship.
• In 1950, the West Bank (Unification of the Two Banks) became sovereign Jordanian Territory.
• On 5 June 1967, hostilities broke out between Israel and Egypt, Jordan and Syria. By the time a ceasefire called for by the Security Council was accepted by the parties, Israeli military forces had occupied the Egyptian Sinai, the Gaza Strip, the West Bank including East Jerusalem, and part of the Syrian Golan Heights.
• 1997 Oslo II - Area C under full Israeli civil and security control. Settlements are subject to permanent status negotiations:
  • By Agreement with the PLO, "the Settlements" means,
    • In the West Bank - the settlements in Area C;
    • and in the Gaza Strip -
    • the Gush Katif and Erez settlement areas

The Israelis never occupied Palestinian Territory; they did occupied Egyptian Governed Territory and Jordanian Sovereign Territory. The Arab Palestinian rejected the opportunity to establish a State (more than once) until 1988, when they finally declared Independence while the territory was already under military occupation; but four months after the Jordanians cut all ties with the West Bank. During the tenure of the Mandate and the and the time since independence, the Jewish Immigrants never never represented a colonial power; no relationships between a colonial power and any Jewish Settlement was established while the territory was under under the Mandate. In fact the Jewish Immigrants were not all from the same country, or even the same continent; and could not represent a single power.

The purpose of the occupation is to extend the protections to the sovereignty and integrity of Israel against an opponent that does not recognize the State of Israel; and holds the political position that the Arab Palestinian is the only legitimate sovereign to the territory that covers the land west of the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea. This is the same opponent that has declared Jihad (Holy War), and considers any means necessary to take in the eviction of the State of Israel as legal and legitimate. This threat was made in February 1948, and has appeared in the Islamic Resistance Movement Covenant, the Palestinian Nation Charter, and most recently, the the 2013 Official Position Paper published by the Khaled Mashaal, Political Leader, Islamic Resistance Movement and Unity Government Partner. Given the previous history of past behaviors, and actual response to the 2005 Disengagement from the Gaza Strip, the Occupation of Palestinian territory there is no reason to believe that an agreement to suspend combat (or any formal Peace Agreement) will be honored by the Palestinian Regime; and that the Palestinians have every intention of attacking by surprise the enemy relying on Peace Agreement they conclude. Based on the current position of the Arab Palestinians there is essentially little prospect for a peace agreement that will have any success.

Most Respectfully,
R

Not all Jewish Immigrants were Zionist.​

That is true. The Zionists imported Jews from anywhere to populate their settlements. Most were probably unaware of the colonial project.

The Arab Palestinian rejected the opportunity to establish a State (more than once) until 1988,...​

Not true. Palestine was already a provisional state under mandate and they declared independence in 1948 after the Mandate left Palestine.

No they didn't. Their declaration of independence was in 1988. Stop lying.

 

[Phoenall]

montelatici, et al,

Well, this is not exactly accurate and some what exaggerated.

Wow, that's a leap. Let me get this straight. The Zionists did not intend to colonize Palestine because they only colonized a large part of it. Setting aside that they control all of Palestine and the Israeli PM has stated that there will be no Palestinian state, most of Palestine was, in fact colonized. Your dog won't hunt.

(COMMENT)

Some salient points under Mandate:

• Not all Jewish Immigrants were Zionist.
• Jewish immigration was encourage.
• Immigration included all Jews who were willing to assist in the establishment of the Jewish national home.
• In co-operation with the Jewish Agency, close settlement by Jews on the land, west of the Jordan River.

Some salient points after Mandate:

• The Jewish Agency completed the UN Steps Preparatory to Independence.
• In 1949 the Gaza Strip came under the administration of the All Palestine Government (dissolved in 1959) controlled by the Egyptian Military Governorship.
• In 1950, the West Bank (Unification of the Two Banks) became sovereign Jordanian Territory.
• On 5 June 1967, hostilities broke out between Israel and Egypt, Jordan and Syria. By the time a ceasefire called for by the Security Council was accepted by the parties, Israeli military forces had occupied the Egyptian Sinai, the Gaza Strip, the West Bank including East Jerusalem, and part of the Syrian Golan Heights.
• 1997 Oslo II - Area C under full Israeli civil and security control. Settlements are subject to permanent status negotiations:
  • By Agreement with the PLO, "the Settlements" means,
    • In the West Bank - the settlements in Area C;
    • and in the Gaza Strip -
    • the Gush Katif and Erez settlement areas

The Israelis never occupied Palestinian Territory; they did occupied Egyptian Governed Territory and Jordanian Sovereign Territory. The Arab Palestinian rejected the opportunity to establish a State (more than once) until 1988, when they finally declared Independence while the territory was already under military occupation; but four months after the Jordanians cut all ties with the West Bank. During the tenure of the Mandate and the and the time since independence, the Jewish Immigrants never never represented a colonial power; no relationships between a colonial power and any Jewish Settlement was established while the territory was under under the Mandate. In fact the Jewish Immigrants were not all from the same country, or even the same continent; and could not represent a single power.

The purpose of the occupation is to extend the protections to the sovereignty and integrity of Israel against an opponent that does not recognize the State of Israel; and holds the political position that the Arab Palestinian is the only legitimate sovereign to the territory that covers the land west of the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea. This is the same opponent that has declared Jihad (Holy War), and considers any means necessary to take in the eviction of the State of Israel as legal and legitimate. This threat was made in February 1948, and has appeared in the Islamic Resistance Movement Covenant, the Palestinian Nation Charter, and most recently, the the 2013 Official Position Paper published by the Khaled Mashaal, Political Leader, Islamic Resistance Movement and Unity Government Partner. Given the previous history of past behaviors, and actual response to the 2005 Disengagement from the Gaza Strip, the Occupation of Palestinian territory there is no reason to believe that an agreement to suspend combat (or any formal Peace Agreement) will be honored by the Palestinian Regime; and that the Palestinians have every intention of attacking by surprise the enemy relying on Peace Agreement they conclude. Based on the current position of the Arab Palestinians there is essentially little prospect for a peace agreement that will have any success.

Most Respectfully,
R

Not all Jewish Immigrants were Zionist.​

That is true. The Zionists imported Jews from anywhere to populate their settlements. Most were probably unaware of the colonial project.

The Arab Palestinian rejected the opportunity to establish a State (more than once) until 1988,...​

Not true. Palestine was already a provisional state under mandate and they declared independence in 1948 after the Mandate left Palestine.

No they didn't. Their declaration of independence was in 1988. Stop lying.

Thats right it was the "all Palestinian government" an Egyptian based arab group that only spoke for gaza and had no legal standing outside of their own fantasy world. In any event they have their state in gaza now as Israel gave it up in 2005

 

[Humanity]

Phoney, if you cannot be bothered to go look at the video then why the fuck should I bother posting you dumb fucking idiot!

So in other words you don't have a link, figures. And you don't have the mental capacity to work that one out.

Nor work out that you are having a major hissy fit and meltdown

Phoney, if you are the only person on this board who has not seen the link then that is YOUR issue NOT mine

So in other words you don't have a link, figures. And you don't have the mental capacity to work that one out.

Nor work out that you are having a major hissy fit and meltdown

Link has been provided...

Step away from the computer, put your flat cap on and take your whippets for a nice walk, there's a good Phoney!

So in other words you don't have a link, figures. And you don't have the mental capacity to work that one out.

Nor work out that you are having a major hissy fit and meltdown

Phoney you have to be the dumbest person on this board!

Repeating the same BS over and over when it is clear to EVERYONE that a link HAS been provided and you simply do not want to accept that you are an idiot!

Go let your racing pigeons out and have a wonderful Yorkshire day!

 

[Humanity]

why did they withdraw their settlers and troops from Gaza?

Money!

Israel did not annex the West Bank

And East Jerusalem

settlements could potentially be dismantled in a future deal

Will NEVER happen!

Israel could colonize all of Palestine if they wanted, but instead they have tried to make peace with the Palestinians

Best joke of the day so far!

 

[P F Tinmore]

montelatici, et al,

Well, this is not exactly accurate and some what exaggerated.

Wow, that's a leap. Let me get this straight. The Zionists did not intend to colonize Palestine because they only colonized a large part of it. Setting aside that they control all of Palestine and the Israeli PM has stated that there will be no Palestinian state, most of Palestine was, in fact colonized. Your dog won't hunt.

(COMMENT)

Some salient points under Mandate:

• Not all Jewish Immigrants were Zionist.
• Jewish immigration was encourage.
• Immigration included all Jews who were willing to assist in the establishment of the Jewish national home.
• In co-operation with the Jewish Agency, close settlement by Jews on the land, west of the Jordan River.

Some salient points after Mandate:

• The Jewish Agency completed the UN Steps Preparatory to Independence.
• In 1949 the Gaza Strip came under the administration of the All Palestine Government (dissolved in 1959) controlled by the Egyptian Military Governorship.
• In 1950, the West Bank (Unification of the Two Banks) became sovereign Jordanian Territory.
• On 5 June 1967, hostilities broke out between Israel and Egypt, Jordan and Syria. By the time a ceasefire called for by the Security Council was accepted by the parties, Israeli military forces had occupied the Egyptian Sinai, the Gaza Strip, the West Bank including East Jerusalem, and part of the Syrian Golan Heights.
• 1997 Oslo II - Area C under full Israeli civil and security control. Settlements are subject to permanent status negotiations:
  • By Agreement with the PLO, "the Settlements" means,
    • In the West Bank - the settlements in Area C;
    • and in the Gaza Strip -
    • the Gush Katif and Erez settlement areas

The Israelis never occupied Palestinian Territory; they did occupied Egyptian Governed Territory and Jordanian Sovereign Territory. The Arab Palestinian rejected the opportunity to establish a State (more than once) until 1988, when they finally declared Independence while the territory was already under military occupation; but four months after the Jordanians cut all ties with the West Bank. During the tenure of the Mandate and the and the time since independence, the Jewish Immigrants never never represented a colonial power; no relationships between a colonial power and any Jewish Settlement was established while the territory was under under the Mandate. In fact the Jewish Immigrants were not all from the same country, or even the same continent; and could not represent a single power.

The purpose of the occupation is to extend the protections to the sovereignty and integrity of Israel against an opponent that does not recognize the State of Israel; and holds the political position that the Arab Palestinian is the only legitimate sovereign to the territory that covers the land west of the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea. This is the same opponent that has declared Jihad (Holy War), and considers any means necessary to take in the eviction of the State of Israel as legal and legitimate. This threat was made in February 1948, and has appeared in the Islamic Resistance Movement Covenant, the Palestinian Nation Charter, and most recently, the the 2013 Official Position Paper published by the Khaled Mashaal, Political Leader, Islamic Resistance Movement and Unity Government Partner. Given the previous history of past behaviors, and actual response to the 2005 Disengagement from the Gaza Strip, the Occupation of Palestinian territory there is no reason to believe that an agreement to suspend combat (or any formal Peace Agreement) will be honored by the Palestinian Regime; and that the Palestinians have every intention of attacking by surprise the enemy relying on Peace Agreement they conclude. Based on the current position of the Arab Palestinians there is essentially little prospect for a peace agreement that will have any success.

Most Respectfully,
R

Not all Jewish Immigrants were Zionist.​

That is true. The Zionists imported Jews from anywhere to populate their settlements. Most were probably unaware of the colonial project.

The Arab Palestinian rejected the opportunity to establish a State (more than once) until 1988,...​

Not true. Palestine was already a provisional state under mandate and they declared independence in 1948 after the Mandate left Palestine.

No they didn't. Their declaration of independence was in 1988. Stop lying.

Yes they did.

A C.1 330 of 14 October 1948

 

[P F Tinmore]

montelatici, et al,

Well, this is not exactly accurate and some what exaggerated.

Wow, that's a leap. Let me get this straight. The Zionists did not intend to colonize Palestine because they only colonized a large part of it. Setting aside that they control all of Palestine and the Israeli PM has stated that there will be no Palestinian state, most of Palestine was, in fact colonized. Your dog won't hunt.

(COMMENT)

Some salient points under Mandate:

• Not all Jewish Immigrants were Zionist.
• Jewish immigration was encourage.
• Immigration included all Jews who were willing to assist in the establishment of the Jewish national home.
• In co-operation with the Jewish Agency, close settlement by Jews on the land, west of the Jordan River.

Some salient points after Mandate:

• The Jewish Agency completed the UN Steps Preparatory to Independence.
• In 1949 the Gaza Strip came under the administration of the All Palestine Government (dissolved in 1959) controlled by the Egyptian Military Governorship.
• In 1950, the West Bank (Unification of the Two Banks) became sovereign Jordanian Territory.
• On 5 June 1967, hostilities broke out between Israel and Egypt, Jordan and Syria. By the time a ceasefire called for by the Security Council was accepted by the parties, Israeli military forces had occupied the Egyptian Sinai, the Gaza Strip, the West Bank including East Jerusalem, and part of the Syrian Golan Heights.
• 1997 Oslo II - Area C under full Israeli civil and security control. Settlements are subject to permanent status negotiations:
  • By Agreement with the PLO, "the Settlements" means,
    • In the West Bank - the settlements in Area C;
    • and in the Gaza Strip -
    • the Gush Katif and Erez settlement areas

The Israelis never occupied Palestinian Territory; they did occupied Egyptian Governed Territory and Jordanian Sovereign Territory. The Arab Palestinian rejected the opportunity to establish a State (more than once) until 1988, when they finally declared Independence while the territory was already under military occupation; but four months after the Jordanians cut all ties with the West Bank. During the tenure of the Mandate and the and the time since independence, the Jewish Immigrants never never represented a colonial power; no relationships between a colonial power and any Jewish Settlement was established while the territory was under under the Mandate. In fact the Jewish Immigrants were not all from the same country, or even the same continent; and could not represent a single power.

The purpose of the occupation is to extend the protections to the sovereignty and integrity of Israel against an opponent that does not recognize the State of Israel; and holds the political position that the Arab Palestinian is the only legitimate sovereign to the territory that covers the land west of the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea. This is the same opponent that has declared Jihad (Holy War), and considers any means necessary to take in the eviction of the State of Israel as legal and legitimate. This threat was made in February 1948, and has appeared in the Islamic Resistance Movement Covenant, the Palestinian Nation Charter, and most recently, the the 2013 Official Position Paper published by the Khaled Mashaal, Political Leader, Islamic Resistance Movement and Unity Government Partner. Given the previous history of past behaviors, and actual response to the 2005 Disengagement from the Gaza Strip, the Occupation of Palestinian territory there is no reason to believe that an agreement to suspend combat (or any formal Peace Agreement) will be honored by the Palestinian Regime; and that the Palestinians have every intention of attacking by surprise the enemy relying on Peace Agreement they conclude. Based on the current position of the Arab Palestinians there is essentially little prospect for a peace agreement that will have any success.

Most Respectfully,
R

Not all Jewish Immigrants were Zionist.​

That is true. The Zionists imported Jews from anywhere to populate their settlements. Most were probably unaware of the colonial project.

The Arab Palestinian rejected the opportunity to establish a State (more than once) until 1988,...​

Not true. Palestine was already a provisional state under mandate and they declared independence in 1948 after the Mandate left Palestine.

No they didn't. Their declaration of independence was in 1988. Stop lying.

Thats right it was the "all Palestinian government" an Egyptian based arab group that only spoke for gaza and had no legal standing outside of their own fantasy world. In any event they have their state in gaza now as Israel gave it up in 2005

And Israel was declared by the foreign Jewish Agency that was created in Zurich by the foreign World Zionist Organization.

What is your point?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Setting aside the fact that these were Europeans with the intent to colonize Palestine, you are making things up as Zionists do. Nothing of sort happened. The Europeans did buy some land but the non-Jews still owned at least 85% of the land at the time of partition.

"164. The Arab population, despite the strenuous efforts of Jews to acquire land in Palestine, at present remains in possession of approximately 85 per cent of the land. "

A 364 of 3 September 1947

The Christians and Muslims were prevented from returning to their homes by the Jews that had expelled them by the Israeli imposition of the the Absentees’ Property Law, 5710- 1950. You can look it up, but in short it says that any Palestinian that left between 1947 and 1950 lost his home and land to the Jewish state.

The operative word being possession, just as now Israel is in possession of 100% of the West Bank. Want to build a case around that freeddy boy

Just because Israel has its fat ass parked on it does not make it theirs.

 

[Phoenall]

So in other words you don't have a link, figures. And you don't have the mental capacity to work that one out.

Nor work out that you are having a major hissy fit and meltdown

Phoney, if you are the only person on this board who has not seen the link then that is YOUR issue NOT mine

So in other words you don't have a link, figures. And you don't have the mental capacity to work that one out.

Nor work out that you are having a major hissy fit and meltdown

Link has been provided...

Step away from the computer, put your flat cap on and take your whippets for a nice walk, there's a good Phoney!

So in other words you don't have a link, figures. And you don't have the mental capacity to work that one out.

Nor work out that you are having a major hissy fit and meltdown

Phoney you have to be the dumbest person on this board!

Repeating the same BS over and over when it is clear to EVERYONE that a link HAS been provided and you simply do not want to accept that you are an idiot!

Go let your racing pigeons out and have a wonderful Yorkshire day!

So in other words you don't have a link, figures. And you don't have the mental capacity to work that one out.

Nor work out that you are having a major hissy fit and meltdown

 

[Phoenall]

montelatici, et al,

Well, this is not exactly accurate and some what exaggerated.

Wow, that's a leap. Let me get this straight. The Zionists did not intend to colonize Palestine because they only colonized a large part of it. Setting aside that they control all of Palestine and the Israeli PM has stated that there will be no Palestinian state, most of Palestine was, in fact colonized. Your dog won't hunt.

(COMMENT)

Some salient points under Mandate:

• Not all Jewish Immigrants were Zionist.
• Jewish immigration was encourage.
• Immigration included all Jews who were willing to assist in the establishment of the Jewish national home.
• In co-operation with the Jewish Agency, close settlement by Jews on the land, west of the Jordan River.

Some salient points after Mandate:

• The Jewish Agency completed the UN Steps Preparatory to Independence.
• In 1949 the Gaza Strip came under the administration of the All Palestine Government (dissolved in 1959) controlled by the Egyptian Military Governorship.
• In 1950, the West Bank (Unification of the Two Banks) became sovereign Jordanian Territory.
• On 5 June 1967, hostilities broke out between Israel and Egypt, Jordan and Syria. By the time a ceasefire called for by the Security Council was accepted by the parties, Israeli military forces had occupied the Egyptian Sinai, the Gaza Strip, the West Bank including East Jerusalem, and part of the Syrian Golan Heights.
• 1997 Oslo II - Area C under full Israeli civil and security control. Settlements are subject to permanent status negotiations:
  • By Agreement with the PLO, "the Settlements" means,
    • In the West Bank - the settlements in Area C;
    • and in the Gaza Strip -
    • the Gush Katif and Erez settlement areas

The Israelis never occupied Palestinian Territory; they did occupied Egyptian Governed Territory and Jordanian Sovereign Territory. The Arab Palestinian rejected the opportunity to establish a State (more than once) until 1988, when they finally declared Independence while the territory was already under military occupation; but four months after the Jordanians cut all ties with the West Bank. During the tenure of the Mandate and the and the time since independence, the Jewish Immigrants never never represented a colonial power; no relationships between a colonial power and any Jewish Settlement was established while the territory was under under the Mandate. In fact the Jewish Immigrants were not all from the same country, or even the same continent; and could not represent a single power.

The purpose of the occupation is to extend the protections to the sovereignty and integrity of Israel against an opponent that does not recognize the State of Israel; and holds the political position that the Arab Palestinian is the only legitimate sovereign to the territory that covers the land west of the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea. This is the same opponent that has declared Jihad (Holy War), and considers any means necessary to take in the eviction of the State of Israel as legal and legitimate. This threat was made in February 1948, and has appeared in the Islamic Resistance Movement Covenant, the Palestinian Nation Charter, and most recently, the the 2013 Official Position Paper published by the Khaled Mashaal, Political Leader, Islamic Resistance Movement and Unity Government Partner. Given the previous history of past behaviors, and actual response to the 2005 Disengagement from the Gaza Strip, the Occupation of Palestinian territory there is no reason to believe that an agreement to suspend combat (or any formal Peace Agreement) will be honored by the Palestinian Regime; and that the Palestinians have every intention of attacking by surprise the enemy relying on Peace Agreement they conclude. Based on the current position of the Arab Palestinians there is essentially little prospect for a peace agreement that will have any success.

Most Respectfully,
R

Not all Jewish Immigrants were Zionist.​

That is true. The Zionists imported Jews from anywhere to populate their settlements. Most were probably unaware of the colonial project.

The Arab Palestinian rejected the opportunity to establish a State (more than once) until 1988,...​

Not true. Palestine was already a provisional state under mandate and they declared independence in 1948 after the Mandate left Palestine.

No they didn't. Their declaration of independence was in 1988. Stop lying.

Thats right it was the "all Palestinian government" an Egyptian based arab group that only spoke for gaza and had no legal standing outside of their own fantasy world. In any event they have their state in gaza now as Israel gave it up in 2005

And Israel was declared by the foreign Jewish Agency that was created in Zurich by the foreign World Zionist Organization.

What is your point?

That was acceoted by the sovereign land owners to represent the wishes of the Jews. The arabs refused point blank to take part in any way and so lost out

 

[Phoenall]

Setting aside the fact that these were Europeans with the intent to colonize Palestine, you are making things up as Zionists do. Nothing of sort happened. The Europeans did buy some land but the non-Jews still owned at least 85% of the land at the time of partition.

"164. The Arab population, despite the strenuous efforts of Jews to acquire land in Palestine, at present remains in possession of approximately 85 per cent of the land. "

A 364 of 3 September 1947

The Christians and Muslims were prevented from returning to their homes by the Jews that had expelled them by the Israeli imposition of the the Absentees’ Property Law, 5710- 1950. You can look it up, but in short it says that any Palestinian that left between 1947 and 1950 lost his home and land to the Jewish state.

The operative word being possession, just as now Israel is in possession of 100% of the West Bank. Want to build a case around that freeddy boy

Just because Israel has its fat ass parked on it does not make it theirs.

International law does, or are you one of these racist pigs that believes International law should never work in Israel's favour


By the way read article 80

 

[rylah]

So in other words you don't have a link, figures. And you don't have the mental capacity to work that one out.

Nor work out that you are having a major hissy fit and meltdown

Phoney, if you are the only person on this board who has not seen the link then that is YOUR issue NOT mine

So in other words you don't have a link, figures. And you don't have the mental capacity to work that one out.

Nor work out that you are having a major hissy fit and meltdown

Link has been provided...

Step away from the computer, put your flat cap on and take your whippets for a nice walk, there's a good Phoney!

So in other words you don't have a link, figures. And you don't have the mental capacity to work that one out.

Nor work out that you are having a major hissy fit and meltdown

Phoney you have to be the dumbest person on this board!

Repeating the same BS over and over when it is clear to EVERYONE that a link HAS been provided and you simply do not want to accept that you are an idiot!

Go let your racing pigeons out and have a wonderful Yorkshire day!

Then it would be the easiest thing to post that link again (10 sec work duh)
and shut him up right?

Then why do You reserve to name calling and using crowd mentality
as an argument?

 

[P F Tinmore]

montelatici, et al,

Well, this is not exactly accurate and some what exaggerated.

(COMMENT)

Some salient points under Mandate:

• Not all Jewish Immigrants were Zionist.
• Jewish immigration was encourage.
• Immigration included all Jews who were willing to assist in the establishment of the Jewish national home.
• In co-operation with the Jewish Agency, close settlement by Jews on the land, west of the Jordan River.

Some salient points after Mandate:

• The Jewish Agency completed the UN Steps Preparatory to Independence.
• In 1949 the Gaza Strip came under the administration of the All Palestine Government (dissolved in 1959) controlled by the Egyptian Military Governorship.
• In 1950, the West Bank (Unification of the Two Banks) became sovereign Jordanian Territory.
• On 5 June 1967, hostilities broke out between Israel and Egypt, Jordan and Syria. By the time a ceasefire called for by the Security Council was accepted by the parties, Israeli military forces had occupied the Egyptian Sinai, the Gaza Strip, the West Bank including East Jerusalem, and part of the Syrian Golan Heights.
• 1997 Oslo II - Area C under full Israeli civil and security control. Settlements are subject to permanent status negotiations:
  • By Agreement with the PLO, "the Settlements" means,
    • In the West Bank - the settlements in Area C;
    • and in the Gaza Strip -
    • the Gush Katif and Erez settlement areas

The Israelis never occupied Palestinian Territory; they did occupied Egyptian Governed Territory and Jordanian Sovereign Territory. The Arab Palestinian rejected the opportunity to establish a State (more than once) until 1988, when they finally declared Independence while the territory was already under military occupation; but four months after the Jordanians cut all ties with the West Bank. During the tenure of the Mandate and the and the time since independence, the Jewish Immigrants never never represented a colonial power; no relationships between a colonial power and any Jewish Settlement was established while the territory was under under the Mandate. In fact the Jewish Immigrants were not all from the same country, or even the same continent; and could not represent a single power.

The purpose of the occupation is to extend the protections to the sovereignty and integrity of Israel against an opponent that does not recognize the State of Israel; and holds the political position that the Arab Palestinian is the only legitimate sovereign to the territory that covers the land west of the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea. This is the same opponent that has declared Jihad (Holy War), and considers any means necessary to take in the eviction of the State of Israel as legal and legitimate. This threat was made in February 1948, and has appeared in the Islamic Resistance Movement Covenant, the Palestinian Nation Charter, and most recently, the the 2013 Official Position Paper published by the Khaled Mashaal, Political Leader, Islamic Resistance Movement and Unity Government Partner. Given the previous history of past behaviors, and actual response to the 2005 Disengagement from the Gaza Strip, the Occupation of Palestinian territory there is no reason to believe that an agreement to suspend combat (or any formal Peace Agreement) will be honored by the Palestinian Regime; and that the Palestinians have every intention of attacking by surprise the enemy relying on Peace Agreement they conclude. Based on the current position of the Arab Palestinians there is essentially little prospect for a peace agreement that will have any success.

Most Respectfully,
R

Not all Jewish Immigrants were Zionist.​

That is true. The Zionists imported Jews from anywhere to populate their settlements. Most were probably unaware of the colonial project.

The Arab Palestinian rejected the opportunity to establish a State (more than once) until 1988,...​

Not true. Palestine was already a provisional state under mandate and they declared independence in 1948 after the Mandate left Palestine.

No they didn't. Their declaration of independence was in 1988. Stop lying.

Thats right it was the "all Palestinian government" an Egyptian based arab group that only spoke for gaza and had no legal standing outside of their own fantasy world. In any event they have their state in gaza now as Israel gave it up in 2005

And Israel was declared by the foreign Jewish Agency that was created in Zurich by the foreign World Zionist Organization.

What is your point?

That was acceoted by the sovereign land owners to represent the wishes of the Jews. The arabs refused point blank to take part in any way and so lost out

Who were those supposed land owners?

Link?

 

[jillian]

“If tomorrow, Israel laid down its arms and announced, ‘We will fight no more,’ what would happen? And if the Arab countries around Israel laid down their arms and announced, ‘We will fight no more,’ what would happen?” Prager asks. “In the first case, there would be an immediate destruction of the state of Israel and mass murder of its Jewish population. In the second case, there would be peace the next day.”

I believe Israel don’t have any goal to conquer more territory or to eliminate all the arabs around Israel. I believe Mr.Prager. Don’t you think he’s right? If you don’t, show your vision of the problem.

that's pretty much correct. but the jew-haters on the board won't like it.