Explain this to me like I am 5 years old

[alang1216]

"I have a right to carry a gun in all 50 states"
This covers both.

So the rules for open and concealed carry are the same in every state?
Can you carry everywhere in every state?
Can you own, carry, and buy and sell, any gun in every state?

 

[M14 Shooter]

So the rules for open and concealed carry are the same in every state?

You're trying to make this a lot more complicated than necessary.
I have a right to carry a gun in all 50 states, protected by the constitution.
Under the laws in CA NY and HI, I cannot legally carry a gun in those states.
How does this not violate my right to carry a gun? How does his not violate the constitution?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Every Constitutional right you have is 'infringed'. You have the right of free speech but there are libel and slander laws the infringe on it.

Same with voting too, right?

 

[alang1216]

Same with voting too, right?

correct

 

[alang1216]

You're trying to make this a lot more complicated than necessary.
I have a right to carry a gun in all 50 states, protected by the constitution.
Under the laws in CA NY and HI, I cannot legally carry a gun in those states.
How does this not violate my right to carry a gun? How does his not violate the constitution?

You may not like the reality but that is your problem. I asked ChatGPT, do you have a right to carry a gun in all 50 states:

The right to carry a gun in all 50 states depends on federal, state, and local laws. While the Second Amendment of the U.S. Constitution protects the right to keep and bear arms, how this right is applied can vary significantly by state.​

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Concealed Carry​

• Concealed Carry Permits: Most states issue concealed carry permits, but the requirements for obtaining one vary widely. Some states have "shall-issue" laws, meaning they must issue a permit if the applicant meets the basic requirements. Other states have "may-issue" laws, where authorities have more discretion in issuing permits.
• Reciprocity: Some states recognize permits from other states, but this is not universal. You may be able to carry a gun in one state with a permit but not in another.

Open Carry​

• Open Carry: The legality of open carry (carrying a firearm in public view) also varies by state. Some states allow it without a permit, while others prohibit it or require a permit.

Constitutional Carry​

• Constitutional Carry: A growing number of states have adopted "constitutional carry" laws, which allow residents to carry firearms without a permit.

Federal Laws​

• Federal Law: Certain federal laws regulate the carrying of firearms, such as restrictions on carrying firearms in schools and federal buildings.

Key Points:​

• State Variations: Your right to carry a gun and the manner in which you can do so (open vs. concealed) vary by state.
• Permits and Reciprocity: Carrying across state lines typically requires awareness of reciprocity agreements.
• Legal Advice: It’s crucial to be aware of the specific laws in each state and consult legal advice if needed.

The internet has spoken.

 

[M14 Shooter]

You may not like the reality but that is your problem. I asked ChatGPT, do you have a right to carry a gun in all 50 states:

ChatGPT?


Did you read the excerpt from the Bruen case in the OP?

The Court has little difficulty concluding also that the plain text of the Second Amendment protects Koch’s and Nash’s proposed course of conduct—carrying handguns publicly for self-defense.

The 2nd Amendment protects the right to carry a gun in public.
This right, and the protection afforded to it by the 2nd is not dependent on what state you are are in.
Thus:
-If a state denies you this right, it violates your right.
-If a state denies you this right, it violates the Constitution.

How am I wrong?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

correct

ID, background check to vote = awesome

 

[alang1216]

ChatGPT?

Watch it GhatGPT is laughing at you too.

Did you read the excerpt from the Bruen case in the OP?

The Court has little difficulty concluding also that the plain text of the Second Amendment protects Koch’s and Nash’s proposed course of conduct—carrying handguns publicly for self-defense.

The 2nd Amendment protects the right to carry a gun in public.
This right, and the protection afforded to it by the 2nd is not dependent on what state you are are in.
Thus:
-If a state denies you this right, it violates your right.
-If a state denies you this right, it violates the Constitution.

How am I wrong?

Bruen tweaked the rules but did not eliminate them. It seems likely that States will retain a measure of control over the import of guns and it will be up to the lower courts to draw the lines more distinctly.

 

[alang1216]

ID, background check to vote = awesome

A solution in search of a problem but probably Constitutional.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Bruen tweaked the rules but did not eliminate them.

All I see here is you avoiding the issue put to you.

 

[alang1216]

All I see here is you avoiding the issue put to you.

The issue is that you think you get to determine what is or is not Constitutional. You don't. Period. End of story.

The 2nd has its limits as all rights do and the SCOTUS has not removed them only recently changed the focus of how they are applied. You may eventually get your way (I doubt it since around 60-70% of Americans typically support stronger gun control measures) but not as of today.

 

[M14 Shooter]

The issue is that you think you get to determine what is or is not Constitutional. You don't. Period. End of story.

Explain how the fact CA can remove, in toto, my right to carry a gun is constitutional.

 

[alang1216]

Explain how the fact CA can remove, in toto, my right to carry a gun is constitutional.

I suspect that if they allowed you to request a CA permit your rights would be intact.

 

[M14 Shooter]

I suspect that if they allowed you to request a CA permit your rights would be intact.

CA does not issue carry permits to non-CA residents.
CA does not recognize out-of-state permits.
it is impossible for me to legally carry a gun in CA.

 

[Damaged Eagle]

Sorry Skippy
But if you want to carry a gun in public, I want you not to be a criminal, know how to use it, know how to handle and de-escalate a confrontation, stand your ground, be aware of other people
I would also like you to demonstrate shooting skill

Nothing in the Constitution says otherwise

Think what a “well regulated militia” needs to know

I have no problem with that... and the government can pay for all the costs of your requirements by making my licence, training, and all the other hoops you want me to jump through free of charge.

Now let's talk about mandatory voter ID and civics training to be able to vote.

CHUCKLE

 

[rightwinger]

Explain how the fact CA can remove, in toto, my right to carry a gun is constitutional.

California is a State
States can make their own rules
Guns kill people so states make rules about who can have one
Killing people is bad

 

[Damaged Eagle]

The constitution does grant the right to bare arms. But it also grants the states and legislature the power to make and enforce laws for the public safety. You can own and carry a gun if you meet requirements set by the states. There’s a process. Just like you need to register to vote… it’s a process

And if the state wants to require it then it should be free of charge or its a tax on my rights.

SMILE

 

[Damaged Eagle]

This says you are wrong

The National Firearms Act (NFA) of 1934 and the Firearm Owners Protection Act of 1986 heavily regulate certain weapons at the federal level. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF) enforces these laws and refers to these weapons as "NFA firearms".


NFA firearms include:

• Machine guns: Fully-automatic firearms
  
  
  
• Short-barreled rifles: Rifles with a barrel under 16 inches
  
  
  
• Short-barreled shotguns: Shotguns with a barrel under 18 inches
  
  
  
• Firearm sound suppressors: Also known as silencers
  
  
  
• Destructive devices: Explosive ordnance and devices like bombs or grenades
  
  
  
• Any other weapon (AOW): Disguised or improvised firearms, and certain smooth-bore handguns
  

The NFA requires the registration of these weapons with the federal government and imposes an excise tax.

Those laws can be brought up to the courts again if that's what you want... just like Roe vs Wade was.

CHUCKLE

 

[Slade3200]

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And if the state wants to require it then it should be free of charge or its a tax on my rights.

SMILE

Well unfortunately taxation is the cost of doing biz and being an American. That’s how it’s worked since the beginning

 

[Damaged Eagle]

Well unfortunately taxation is the cost of doing biz and being an American. That’s how it’s worked since the beginning

OK. The government is going to need $10,000 from every person to cast a vote this fall. Sorry, but that the cost of doing biz and being an American.

CHUCKLE