Examining The South’s Chances To Win The Civil War

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Thank you for admitting that the South had very little chance to win the CW.

Lincoln outplayed the Southern states.
Lincoln was a corrupt military dictator and murdering sociopath, your kind of leader. His Generals went on to even greater fame as mass murderers of women and children, also your kind of leaders. Most Democrats gush over them all the time, especially in threads like this one..
He was a Republican, wasn't he?
 

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The OP makes a valiant effort but her twisted views of history are wrong on both parts

Hitler could have very well defeated the Soviets and came very close to victory in Moscow, Stalingrad and Leningrad. Allied support of the Soviets, instead of the Nazis (like the OP advocates) was essential to victory
Stalin was out of the war without outside aid; that isn't even a debatable point any more, not with the latest research.

As to the South in the Civil War, the OP once again gives a twisted history. Yes, the South could have won a truce, but no, any theory that Northern Democrats were a key to that victory is not supported by historical records
If New York City had seceded with the South and the secessionists in New Jersey had been more active, ditto southern Pennsylvania's, and if Lincoln hadn't seized control of the ballot boxes with his private army in several states, then yes, it would have been possible; he wouldn't have been able to keep up the fighting without Congress and several state govts. But NYC wasn't going to join the South after finding out some of the states were negotiation for direct shipments from Charleston to Europe and bypassing the northern shipping monopoly and banking services, which leaves the rest as a toss up. I go with 'slightly possible'.
No way NY joins the Confederacy
That is a wild theory worthy of PC
Rubbish. It was a very close thing, and a very well documented one to boot. You racists just want to keep peddling myths about your fake 'anti-racism; it's just about bashing the South for not voting solid Democrat any more and sucking up to faux northern 'liberalism', with fake 'history' about the North to cover up their own atrocities, like the hundreds of thousands they forced into 'property camps' to die, and their extreme efforts to make sure 'freed' blacks did not stream north after the war, is all. Some 90% stayed right up to 1910, when a few went north, and then many came back by 1916, Few went out West. Then we have all manner of other Fun Facts about the elections of 1862 and 1864, too, to prove it still wasn't about slavery in those elections, either.

All the 'slavery' stuff is about as relevant as Thomas Jefferson's alleged 'anti-slavery'; he wrote a big popular screed about being opposed to it, complete with all kinds of wondrous profundities and stuff,for political opportunistic reasons, then promptly went into the very lucrative slave trade for his business interests, owning over 600 of them at one time, bragging to his friends about his high returns and recommending they get into the business, too. Never freed any , either, outside of a few related to him and his family.

The only 'wild theory' being peddled is yours. Jake doesn't have 'theories', since he doesn't know what those are; he just parrots stuff he's told to.
Revisionist bullshit

New York was the financial backbone of the US
No way were they going to side with an agrarian slave nation

More rubbish, Like I said already, there is zero evidence for your fake revisionism. Even the famous Nazi racists Mike Wallace and Edwin Burroughs cover it some detail in their Pulitzer Prize winning history Gotham, complete with names, dates, and extensive bibliography, just for one widely available source, a source with credibility, unlike you and Jake and the other racist Democrats who keep trying to pretend you had anything to do with freeing anybody; you're not even active in the modern anti-slavery movements, too chickenshit and wimpy for that sort of thing in real life.
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Ah .. Jake has called in help. Unfortunately it's Boadicea, and he still posting anyway. Some 8 to 48 more, Jake. You need the post counts for that big monthly competition for people who never win real prizes for anything.
 

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The Union used to be voluntary, as the Framers intended, before the Hamiltonian Abraham Lincoln came along. Of course, with the Civil War, that principle was destroyed.
We know secession was not illegal, and we know Madison specifically refused to grant the Federal government the power to use forces against a state when Pickney proposed such a clause being included. Every former colony in the country used secession to get concessions at one time or another, New England states being the big fans of it early on.

But the sniveling is just about some modern day gimps trying to take credit for something they had nothing to do with, and bashing the south for going Republican; they think they can claim some moral authority for themselves via osmosis or something. The fact is the northern states were far more violently racist than the south was then, and they still are now. That's why some 90% of the black population stayed in the south until well into the 20th Century, a Fun Fact they never point out, either.
 

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We know Picaro does not understand the Civil War, its antecedents, its history, and its aftermath. Then he snivels when corrected.
 

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Ah .. Jake has called in help. Unfortunately it's Boadicea, and he still posting anyway. Some 8 to 48 more, Jake. You need the post counts for that big monthly competition for people who never win real prizes for anything.
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The Union used to be voluntary, as the Framers intended, before the Hamiltonian Abraham Lincoln came along. Of course, with the Civil War, that principle was destroyed.
We know secession was not illegal, and we know Madison specifically refused to grant the Federal government the power to use forces against a state when Pickney proposed such a clause being included. Every former colony in the country used secession to get concessions at one time or another, New England states being the big fans of it early on.

But the sniveling is just about some modern day gimps trying to take credit for something they had nothing to do with, and bashing the south for going Republican; they think they can claim some moral authority for themselves via osmosis or something. The fact is the northern states were far more violently racist than the south was then, and they still are now. That's why some 90% of the black population stayed in the south until well into the 20th Century, a Fun Fact they never point out, either.
Blacks had no other options but to stay in the south. That was all they knew and their families were there

Very few lynchings in the north
It was a way of life in the south
 

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I have been on late night TV thirteen times.

Picaro watches streaming bad history on his TV.
 

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We know Picaro does not understand the Civil War, its antecedents, its history, and its aftermath. Then he snivels when corrected.
Well, it looks like he's banned.

I'm willing to take his place in the discussion.
 

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