Examining Black Loyalty to Democrats

[JBeukema]

How the voting broke down on the 1968 Civil Rights Bill

By party and region

Note: "Southern", as used in this section, refers to members of Congress from the eleven states that made up the Confederate States of America in the American Civil War. "Northern" refers to members from the other 39 states, regardless of the geographic location of those states.
The original House version:



..............................................Yeah- nay

• Southern Democrats: 7-87 (7%-93%)
• Southern Republicans: 0-10 (0%-100%)

• Northern Democrats: 145-9 (94%-6%)
• Northern Republicans: 138-24 (85%-15%)

The Senate version:

• Southern Democrats: 1-20 (5%-95%)
• Southern Republicans: 0-1 (0%-100%)
• Northern Democrats: 45-1 (98%-2%)
• Northern Republicans: 27-5 (84%-16%)

Nuff said?

Black voters have traditionally supported DEMS in our lifetimes because of how Republicans and Democratic officials and elected leaders have acted toward Blacks in our lifetimes.

What puzzles me is why ANYBODY (regardless of race) in the working classes has voted for EITHER party in the last couple decades.

The exceptions within the working classes whose continued support of the duelopoly does not puzzle me are those among us who are tools of either party.

For example, those 870,000 or so people who are now holding TOP SECRET security status.

Their continued support of the system at least does make sense to me.

They definitely do understand what hand is feeding them.

As to the rest of you partisans?

You guys I don't get.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to editec again.

 

[JBeukema]

YouTube - Examining Black Loyalty to Democrats

So, basically his argument boils down to '******* are stupid and easily manipulated'?

 

[JBeukema]

Sorry...I don't watch 18 min videos suggested by rightwingers.

If you have a point to make.....make it

Don't waste my time

I did. The fella's entertaining, if nothing else. There are some profound, profound flaws in his arguments, but it gives one a few things to chew on.

What he spends virtually no time on is the Democratic and Republican parties of today. The entire thing focuses on the past, including quite a bit that precedes the founding of the modern two parties; As far back as Jefferson. He dissects Jefferson's views as some being "The Democratic side of him" and others being "The Republican side," a concept among several I found laughable in the film.

Good watch though, definitely entertaining.

Really profound flaws? Care to address some of those profound flaws that came from the perspective of a black man on the black race as to why they still vote for democrats

All he did for 20 minutes was call his own race a bunch of fucking retards who're easily manipulated. Then again, he's kinda light- maybe he just meant the field ******* were stupid?

 

[maineman]

YouTube - Examining Black Loyalty to Democrats

So, basically his argument boils down to '******* are stupid and easily manipulated'?

exactly... and it's not just the poor blacks in ghettos who are stupid and easily manipulated, these folks think that ALL blacks = from all socioeconomic levels - are equally stupid. And they wonder why 90% of blacks do not vote for the GOP slate of candidates.

 

[JBeukema]

Republicans deep down know that the black people of this country will never vote Republican. It is too ingrained in their culture and psyche to ever change. The civil rights actions back in the 60’s and Johnsons “Great Society” helped to cement that loyalty and it has endured for over 50 years. The black kids learn early from their parents that the Democrats are the good guys and the Republicans are the enemy. This is the same problem we are having with Islamic fundamentalists. The children are brainwashed into believing that to die and kill many for Allah is path to righteousness and they never doubt it. It would take a calamitous event to turn the black people away from the Democratic party.

Knowing this, why would anybody waste time on a lost cause? Maybe the Republicans can get a few blacks here and there. In the polarized political environment of today and the close electoral races this might make or break a presidential election. But in reality, the Hispanic people are the key to electing a Republican President. If the Hispanic population starts to swing as a bloc towards the Democrats then forget it. White population is 66% of the US, Hispanic 15%, blacks 14%. Since half the people don’t care who runs the country (don’t vote) the other half gets to decide. But Hispanics tend to have higher turnout than either other bloc so they are the bigger prize. Democrats can win without a big Hispanic vote, the Republicans cannot. They need the Hispanics to balance against the blacks. Once it is back in balance then Joe, the white blue collar worker (Are there any of them left?) can decide who runs the country.

Blacks (90%) will always vote Democrat! Just like death and taxes! But the key to power is through the Hispanics!

So, basically, your contention is that blacks are too stupid to vote and are nothing more than empty-headed puppets incapable of intelligent thought.

Good to know you're not a racist or anything. I mean, it's not like you're advocating treating coloured races as commodities or herds to be manipulated or anything...

 

[Lonestar_logic]

90%. that ain't horseshit. them's the facts.... read 'em and weep.

They're facts because you say so? Why not support it with opinions from actual black democrats.

because I don't care. 90% of black americans - poor, middle class, and wealthy - vote for democrats. THAT IS a fact and I have posted the link to the Pew Research Center site that discusses their polling results. WHY do they vote democratic? Again... I don't care. They do. THAT is what I care about. Whatever we are doing as democrats makes black americans MUCH more comfortable being with us than being with the GOP. From MY perspective, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. From YOUR perspective, you obviously have a problem connecting with black voters. but again, that is YOUR problem and CERTAINLY not mine!

In other words, if you did give the opinions of black democrats you would find that they share the same opinion as me and Daveman.


The Democratic Party’s strategy of using handouts to garner the black votes, while working to keep blacks mired in poverty, was described as “plantation politics” by President Barack Obama on page 147 of his book Dreams From My Father. As a result of the politics of poverty practiced by Democrats, including Obama, the firm belief is now deeply rooted in the black community that the government must “do something” for blacks.

Democrats have been running black communities for the past 40+ years and turned those communities into economic and social wastelands with their failed socialist policies. Yet, Democrats have the gall to blame Republicans for the deplorable conditions caused by the Democrats. Democrats also accuse Republicans of doing nothing to help poor blacks — a charge that resonates with victim mongers.
However, since the beginning of the so-called War on Poverty, over $ 9 trillion has been spent on poverty programs. According to the Washington Post, in one year alone under President George W. Bush,over $500 billion was spent on over 80 poverty-related programs, withlittle movement in the poverty needle. The problem with black poverty is not money — and it is not the Republican Party .

Notably, only 25% of blacks are poor and living in those dilapidated neighborhoods run by Democrats. The remaining 75% of blacks are prosperous and living in the larger society. Shamefully, Democrats consistently fight efforts of Republicans to help poor blacks living in Democrat-controlled neighborhoods get out of poverty. Most egregious is the fight by Democrats to keep Republicans from providing school choice opportunity scholarships so that black parents can get their children out of failing schools. The money belongs to the people, not the buildings controlled by the teachers’ unions that are supporters of the Democratic Party.


The message that Democrats gives to poor blacks is if you remain poor, uneducated and vote for Democrats, we will celebrate your victimhood. If you get a good education, get a good job and vote for Republicans, we will denigrate you as “acting white”, a “sellout”, an “Uncle Tom”, a “House Negro”, a “House ******”, a “Lawn Jockey”, and worse.

When black Democrat Juan Williams wrote his book entitled “Enough:
The Phony Leaders, Dead-end Movements and Culture of Failure That Are Undermining Black America” that exposed the deplorable conditions in black communities, Williams was denounced on national TV by another black Democrat as a “Happy Negro”.

Democrats now love Gen. Colin Powell, but spewed out racist attacks on Powell before he endorsed Obama and embraced the liberal agenda of higher taxes and a bigger government to provide poverty-producing handouts to blacks.

Those black Americans living in the Democrat-controlled neighborhoods who want to get out of poverty should seize control over their own destiny and stop voting monolithically for Democrats who use “plantation politics” to buy their votes while keeping blacks in poverty.

Democrats will forever maintain a “lock” on the black vote, for as long as black Americans — including prosperous blacks who sympathize with poor blacks — continue believing the myth that the Republican Party is a racist party and clinging to the false notion that poor blacks are “victims” who need government handouts to survive.

Why Do Blacks Vote Democrat? Giovanni's World

 

[maineman]

They're facts because you say so? Why not support it with opinions from actual black democrats.

because I don't care. 90% of black americans - poor, middle class, and wealthy - vote for democrats. THAT IS a fact and I have posted the link to the Pew Research Center site that discusses their polling results. WHY do they vote democratic? Again... I don't care. They do. THAT is what I care about. Whatever we are doing as democrats makes black americans MUCH more comfortable being with us than being with the GOP. From MY perspective, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. From YOUR perspective, you obviously have a problem connecting with black voters. but again, that is YOUR problem and CERTAINLY not mine!

In other words, if you did give the opinions of black democrats you would find that they share the same opinion as me and Daveman. The message that Democrats gives to poor blacks is if you remain poor, uneducated and vote for Democrats, we will celebrate your victimhood. If you get a good education, get a good job and vote for Republicans, we will denigrate you as “acting white”, a “sellout”, an “Uncle Tom”, a “House Negro”, a “House ******”, a “Lawn Jockey”, and worse.

When black Democrat Juan Williams wrote his book entitled “Enough:
The Phony Leaders, Dead-end Movements and Culture of Failure That Are Undermining Black America” that exposed the deplorable conditions in black communities, Williams was denounced on national TV by another black Democrat as a “Happy Negro”.

Democrats now love Gen. Colin Powell, but spewed out racist attacks on Powell before he endorsed Obama and embraced the liberal agenda of higher taxes and a bigger government to provide poverty-producing handouts to blacks.

no. In other words, blacks vote for democrats. poor blacks vote for democrats. middle class blacks vote for democrats. rich blacks vote for democrats. uneducated blacks vote for democrats. highly educated blacks vote for democrats. I have never said that ALL blacks vote for democrats. You can spout the opinions of black republicans as to why that is the case, but I doubt you will find too many blacks who actually believe that democrats celebrate their victimhood and still vote for the democrat. YOu guys need to figure out how you are going to change that... I, of course, hope you continue to rely on your proven southern strategy and not worry about how you are losing people of color.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Thanks to the Department of Education, most of the American people are stupid and uneducated.

They had no idea Dems were the party of the KKK, ran the Tuskegee Experiments and LBJ personally prevented Ike from passing Civil Rights legislation.

 

[maineman]

Thanks to the Department of Education, most of the American people are stupid and uneducated.

They had no idea Dems were the party of the KKK, ran the Tuskegee Experiments and LBJ personally prevented Ike from passing Civil Rights legislation.

::yawn::

 

[JBeukema]

The Republicans have made little effort to the get the votes of black Americans, while the Democrats have done everything they can to keep black Americans the lowest socioeconomic class in the country in order to keep their vote.

Frankly, I'm surprised that blacks haven't created their own third party. With the way districts are gerrymandered they could certainly win some elections with a third party.

How so?

The welfare state and the victim mentality. Most of your urban ghettos are primarily populated with blacks living off of some type of welfare. The inner city schools are crap, but the Democrats who predominantly control these areas refuse to allow school choice so parents can get their kids out of those schools and into better ones. The Democratic Party constantly resorts to victimization claiming that minorities aren't able to achieve anything on their own without the government intervening for them. Affirmative Action is an insult to minorities, in my opinion, because it tells them they aren't as capable as white people and so the standards have to be dumbed down for them.

It's been 45 years since the Civil Rights Act was passed and blacks haven't improved economically one bit. In fact, in some ways they are worse off. For example, over 70% of black children are born out of wedlock without a father in their life. However, you look at blacks who were born in foreign countries who have migrated here and they are typically better educated and have absolutely no problem building a successful life here in the states, which negates the myth that minorities are still being oppressed in this country due to latent racism. They are being oppressed alright, but not by their neighbors, but by their own government that is claiming to "help" them.

So, basically, you're saying blacks don't know what a library is, have no desire to work and get off the dole, are too stupid to vote or be insulted by AA and are readily manipulated by the evil Democrats yet Republicans are even dumber than the negroes and the Democrats and therefore can't compete in the game of 'make the ****** vote for you'?

It's been 45 years since the Civil Rights Act was passed and blacks haven't improved economically one bit. In fact, in some ways they are worse off. For example, over 70% of black children are born out of wedlock without a father in their life. However, you look at blacks who were born in foreign countries who have migrated here and they are typically better educated and have absolutely no problem building a successful life here in the states, which negates the myth that minorities are still being oppressed in this country due to latent racism. They are being oppressed alright, but not by their neighbors, but by their own government that is claiming to "help" them.

-and, of course, the stupid ******* are too dumb to see it, right?


How subtle the racism has become on the Right....

 

[JBeukema]

Thanks to the Department of Education, most of the American people are stupid and uneducated.

They had no idea Dems were the party of the KKK, ran the Tuskegee Experiments and LBJ personally prevented Ike from passing Civil Rights legislation.

The Know-Nothing movement was a nativist American political movement of the 1840s and 1850s. It was empowered by popular fears that the country was being overwhelmed by German and Irish Catholic immigrants, who were often regarded as hostile to Anglo-Saxon values and controlled by the Pope in Rome. Mainly active from 1854 to 1856, it strove to curb immigration and naturalization, though its efforts met with little success. Membership was limited to Protestant males of British lineage over the age of twenty-one. There were few prominent leaders, and the largely middle-class and entirely Protestant membership fragmented over the issue of slavery. Most ended up joining the Republican Party by the time of the 1860 presidential election.[1][2]
The movement originated in New York in 1843 as the American Republican Party. It spread to other states as the Native American Party and became a national party in 1845. In 1855 it renamed itself the American Party.[3] The origin of the "Know Nothing" term was in the semi-secret organization of the party. When a member was asked about its activities, he was supposed to reply, "I know nothing."[4]




Know Nothing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia






You really want to argue over past membership of the two parties?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Thanks to the Department of Education, most of the American people are stupid and uneducated.

They had no idea Dems were the party of the KKK, ran the Tuskegee Experiments and LBJ personally prevented Ike from passing Civil Rights legislation.

::yawn::

Yawning about Tuskegee and the 7 additional years blacks suffered under Dems because of LBJ, nice

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Thanks to the Department of Education, most of the American people are stupid and uneducated.

They had no idea Dems were the party of the KKK, ran the Tuskegee Experiments and LBJ personally prevented Ike from passing Civil Rights legislation.

The Know-Nothing movement was a nativist American political movement of the 1840s and 1850s. It was empowered by popular fears that the country was being overwhelmed by German and Irish Catholic immigrants, who were often regarded as hostile to Anglo-Saxon values and controlled by the Pope in Rome. Mainly active from 1854 to 1856, it strove to curb immigration and naturalization, though its efforts met with little success. Membership was limited to Protestant males of British lineage over the age of twenty-one. There were few prominent leaders, and the largely middle-class and entirely Protestant membership fragmented over the issue of slavery. Most ended up joining the Republican Party by the time of the 1860 presidential election.[1][2]
The movement originated in New York in 1843 as the American Republican Party. It spread to other states as the Native American Party and became a national party in 1845. In 1855 it renamed itself the American Party.[3] The origin of the "Know Nothing" term was in the semi-secret organization of the party. When a member was asked about its activities, he was supposed to reply, "I know nothing."[4]

Know Nothing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


You really want to argue over past membership of the two parties?

Apparently you know nothing about the Dems real history with blacks

 

[JBeukema]

So, basically

the dems like AA and welfare because it convinces stupid ******* to vote for them

the reps want to abolish AA and welfare because if you feed then, they breed

why the fuck does anyone vote for either of these parties of fucking pricks?

 

[JBeukema]

Thanks to the Department of Education, most of the American people are stupid and uneducated.

They had no idea Dems were the party of the KKK, ran the Tuskegee Experiments and LBJ personally prevented Ike from passing Civil Rights legislation.

The Know-Nothing movement was a nativist American political movement of the 1840s and 1850s. It was empowered by popular fears that the country was being overwhelmed by German and Irish Catholic immigrants, who were often regarded as hostile to Anglo-Saxon values and controlled by the Pope in Rome. Mainly active from 1854 to 1856, it strove to curb immigration and naturalization, though its efforts met with little success. Membership was limited to Protestant males of British lineage over the age of twenty-one. There were few prominent leaders, and the largely middle-class and entirely Protestant membership fragmented over the issue of slavery. Most ended up joining the Republican Party by the time of the 1860 presidential election.[1][2]
The movement originated in New York in 1843 as the American Republican Party. It spread to other states as the Native American Party and became a national party in 1845. In 1855 it renamed itself the American Party.[3] The origin of the "Know Nothing" term was in the semi-secret organization of the party. When a member was asked about its activities, he was supposed to reply, "I know nothing."[4]

Know Nothing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


You really want to argue over past membership of the two parties?

Apparently you know nothing about the Dems real history with blacks

Actually, I'm just not so stupid as to believe the same people who were alive then are in the party today or that the Republicans are little innocent fucking angels who never wronged anyone in history while the Dems are satan

 

[Lonestar_logic]

How the voting broke down on the 1968 Civil Rights Bill

By party and region

Note: "Southern", as used in this section, refers to members of Congress from the eleven states that made up the Confederate States of America in the American Civil War. "Northern" refers to members from the other 39 states, regardless of the geographic location of those states.
The original House version:



..............................................Yeah- nay

• Southern Democrats: 7-87 (7%-93%)
• Southern Republicans: 0-10 (0%-100%)

• Northern Democrats: 145-9 (94%-6%)
• Northern Republicans: 138-24 (85%-15%)

The Senate version:

• Southern Democrats: 1-20 (5%-95%)
• Southern Republicans: 0-1 (0%-100%)
• Northern Democrats: 45-1 (98%-2%)
• Northern Republicans: 27-5 (84%-16%)

Nuff said?

Black voters have traditionally supported DEMS in our lifetimes because of how Republicans and Democratic officials and elected leaders have acted toward Blacks in our lifetimes.

What puzzles me is why ANYBODY (regardless of race) in the working classes has voted for EITHER party in the last couple decades.

The exceptions within the working classes whose continued support of the duelopoly does not puzzle me are those among us who are tools of either party.

For example, those 870,000 or so people who are now holding TOP SECRET security status.

Their continued support of the system at least does make sense to me.

They definitely do understand what hand is feeding them.

As to the rest of you partisans?

You guys I don't get.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to editec again.

The Fair Housing Act? WHy not show how folks voted on the actual Civil Rights Act of 1964 instead of this follow-up bill? And while your at it you can relate how the democrats attempted to filibuster the Civil Rights act of 1964 and how a majority of them were against it. And why not show how each party voted on the Civil Rights Act of 1965 aka "The Voting Rights Act"? You take one Bill voted on that shows democrats in a relatively favorable light and conveniently fail to show how all the Bills pertaining to Civil Rights were voted on.

 

[JBeukema]

Both parties are shit.

Only morons pretend either party isn't shit.

Both parties have done good and bad and has all sorts among their ranks.


As for the modern day - both the donkey and the elephant have forced their penises up America's collective ass.

Why you people bother of which of the two parties' cocks hurts more, I have no idea. At the end of the day, they're both fucking you.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

because I don't care. 90% of black americans - poor, middle class, and wealthy - vote for democrats. THAT IS a fact and I have posted the link to the Pew Research Center site that discusses their polling results. WHY do they vote democratic? Again... I don't care. They do. THAT is what I care about. Whatever we are doing as democrats makes black americans MUCH more comfortable being with us than being with the GOP. From MY perspective, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. From YOUR perspective, you obviously have a problem connecting with black voters. but again, that is YOUR problem and CERTAINLY not mine!

In other words, if you did give the opinions of black democrats you would find that they share the same opinion as me and Daveman. The message that Democrats gives to poor blacks is if you remain poor, uneducated and vote for Democrats, we will celebrate your victimhood. If you get a good education, get a good job and vote for Republicans, we will denigrate you as “acting white”, a “sellout”, an “Uncle Tom”, a “House Negro”, a “House ******”, a “Lawn Jockey”, and worse.

When black Democrat Juan Williams wrote his book entitled “Enough:
The Phony Leaders, Dead-end Movements and Culture of Failure That Are Undermining Black America” that exposed the deplorable conditions in black communities, Williams was denounced on national TV by another black Democrat as a “Happy Negro”.

Democrats now love Gen. Colin Powell, but spewed out racist attacks on Powell before he endorsed Obama and embraced the liberal agenda of higher taxes and a bigger government to provide poverty-producing handouts to blacks.

no. In other words, blacks vote for democrats. poor blacks vote for democrats. middle class blacks vote for democrats. rich blacks vote for democrats. uneducated blacks vote for democrats. highly educated blacks vote for democrats. I have never said that ALL blacks vote for democrats. You can spout the opinions of black republicans as to why that is the case, but I doubt you will find too many blacks who actually believe that democrats celebrate their victimhood and still vote for the democrat. YOu guys need to figure out how you are going to change that... I, of course, hope you continue to rely on your proven southern strategy and not worry about how you are losing people of color.

And you refuse to acknowledge the reason why they vote the way they do. How convenient.

You are one ignorant fuck and apparently you plan on staying that way. Good luck with it, I hope ignorance and stupidity works out for you.

 

[JBeukema]

Poor people vote Democrat for the same reason rich people vote Republican- they vote for the party that scratches their back and pretends to be their friend.

In the end, both parties are shit

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Lonestar_Logic would fail his history course. No, the GOP did not introduce the Civil Rights Act of 1964 in the Senate but offered the change to co-sponsor it, which they did wisely. Second, the only northerners and westerners to vote against the Civil Rights Act were Republican. From first to last, the Republicans were in the second seat on this legislation.

I cite this selective and at times false posting above by L_L to note that the major events were passed almost always by Democratically controlled Congresses that put the pistol to the GOP to become "bi-partisan" or be labeled racists.

I also invite you to note that L_L's last date was 1996.

Yes, black Americans know what the Democratic Party was and what the GOP is. Black Americans correctly realize that the Democratic Party protects their interests while the GOP will sell them out to appease the southern wing of the Pubs.

You fail, L_L, you fail.

Move on.

The 1957 Civil Rights Act

General Barnicke: Where is Jake's Argument, men?
USMB: Blown up, sir!