Exactly why was Obama gun running in "Fast and Furious"?

[OKTexas]

I'm pretty sure that when Obama and Holder dropped off their last crate to the Sinaloa drug cartel down in Mexico they told the leader specifically "To make sure they kill hundreds of Americans so we can have a good excuse to 'Grab their Guns'"!

Damn you Obama!!!!!!!!!

Read all about it right here.

The truth about the Fast and Furious scandal - Fortune Features

Seriously, if it were really that simple the mulatto messiah and his lackey at the injustice dept wouldn't be stonewalling, claiming executive privilege and taking contempt of congress charges. You can keep telling the lie and we'll keep telling you you're full of crap.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

So I had a right winger explain to me why they believe Obama was gun running to Mexico.

So correct me if I didn't get it right:

Obama was hoping that American guns will be used by Mexicans to kill Americans so he could take away American's guns. So that was why he was working to put guns in the hands of Mexicans.

Is that it? Cuz if it is, it's really lame. There has to be something more.

Socialism is really lame. So it follows that Obama, a socialist, would be executing lame policy.

In point of fact, Obama did intend to pass firearms to known murderers, kidnappers and thugs, on the fairly high probability that they would be used to murder people. So that the media could bray endlessly about "US guns and gun laws (The Gun Culture) causing death and destruction... "SOMEONE HAS GOT TO DO SOMETHING".

The fact is that the NY Times and WaPo ran several editorials on the subject, making precisely the above claim. I'd go find a link, but I doubt it would help. Around the same time, Obama told Sarah Brady, when she asked when he was planning to hammer gun owners, that he 'was working on it, behind the scenes'.

Shortly after that, Fast and Furious was found to have resulted in the death of a upwardly mobile Federal Officer... and with that, the fraudulent behind-the-scenes subversion, of the means of Americans to exercise their rights and the editorial push to promote it, fell away as the Editors began to realize their own culpability in a crime against the American people.

 

[BlindBoo]

So I had a right winger explain to me why they believe Obama was gun running to Mexico.

So correct me if I didn't get it right:

Obama was hoping that American guns will be used by Mexicans to kill Americans so he could take away American's guns. So that was why he was working to put guns in the hands of Mexicans.

Is that it? Cuz if it is, it's really lame. There has to be something more.

Socialism is really lame. So it follows that Obama, a socialist, would be executing lame policy.

In point of fact, Obama did intend to pass firearms to known murderers, kidnappers and thugs, on the fairly high probability that they would be used to murder people. So that the media could bray endlessly about "US guns and gun laws (The Gun Culture) causing death and destruction... "SOMEONE HAS GOT TO DO SOMETHING".

The fact is that the NY Times and WaPo ran several editorials on the subject, making precisely the above claim. I'd go find a link, but I doubt it would help. Around the same time, Obama told Sarah Brady, when she asked when he was planning to hammer gun owners, that he 'was working on it, behind the scenes'.

Shortly after that, Fast and Furious was found to have resulted in the death of a upwardly mobile Federal Officer... and with that, the fraudulent behind-the-scenes subversion, of the means of Americans to exercise their rights and the editorial push to promote it, fell away as the Editors began to realize their own culpability in a crime against the American people.

How did Fast and Furious result in the drug thieves incursion into the US and subsequent confrontation by US Border Patrol? Furthermore, how did that failed surveillance plan result in the policy that force the agents to shoot bean bags at those intruders?

 

[Darkwind]

You are still lying! The gun shops charged the straw purchasers who are protected from prosecution by the NRA. Obama was not involved in any transaction.

Now you are the liar. The NRA cannot prevent prosecution of anyone. They are not a government entity.

The NRA lobbied the GOP controlled legislature in Arizona to limit the prosecution of straw buyers. Even if a straw buyer said the guns were for personal use and sold them the instant they walked out of the gun shop, the NRA lobbied policies prevented them from being prosecuted. Straw purchasers could only be prosecuted if they were caught planning to resell the guns in advance of their purchase. Thank you NRA lobbyists.

Well hold the presses. American citizens lobby for laws. Film at 11!

Still don't see where they [NRA] stopped the prosecution of law breakers......

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

So I had a right winger explain to me why they believe Obama was gun running to Mexico.

So correct me if I didn't get it right:

Obama was hoping that American guns will be used by Mexicans to kill Americans so he could take away American's guns. So that was why he was working to put guns in the hands of Mexicans.

Is that it? Cuz if it is, it's really lame. There has to be something more.

Socialism is really lame. So it follows that Obama, a socialist, would be executing lame policy.

In point of fact, Obama did intend to pass firearms to known murderers, kidnappers and thugs, on the fairly high probability that they would be used to murder people. So that the media could bray endlessly about "US guns and gun laws (The Gun Culture) causing death and destruction... "SOMEONE HAS GOT TO DO SOMETHING".

The fact is that the NY Times and WaPo ran several editorials on the subject, making precisely the above claim. I'd go find a link, but I doubt it would help. Around the same time, Obama told Sarah Brady, when she asked when he was planning to hammer gun owners, that he 'was working on it, behind the scenes'.

Shortly after that, Fast and Furious was found to have resulted in the death of a upwardly mobile Federal Officer... and with that, the fraudulent behind-the-scenes subversion, of the means of Americans to exercise their rights and the editorial push to promote it, fell away as the Editors began to realize their own culpability in a crime against the American people.

How did Fast and Furious result in the drug thieves incursion into the US and subsequent confrontation by US Border Patrol? Furthermore, how did that failed surveillance plan result in the policy that force the agents to shoot bean bags at those intruders?

Corruption. It comes from corrupt people doing foolish things, toward nefarious ends.

Socialism kills.

 

[1776]

If gun violence exploded from Texas to California because Mexican drug cartels were gunning down people on both sides of the border with guns given to them by the F&F program....Democrap scum would have told the American public the violence is a prime example why white people living in Idaho should be banned from owning those same guns.

That was the plan the entire time until the truth got out that Obama and his goons were behind the guns....

 

[edthecynic]

Now you are the liar. The NRA cannot prevent prosecution of anyone. They are not a government entity.

The NRA lobbied the GOP controlled legislature in Arizona to limit the prosecution of straw buyers. Even if a straw buyer said the guns were for personal use and sold them the instant they walked out of the gun shop, the NRA lobbied policies prevented them from being prosecuted. Straw purchasers could only be prosecuted if they were caught planning to resell the guns in advance of their purchase. Thank you NRA lobbyists.

Well hold the presses. American citizens lobby for laws. Film at 11!

Still don't see where they [NRA] stopped the prosecution of law breakers......

Because the laws the NRA lobbied for made straw purchases legal!

From the earlier link:

"[P]urchasing multiple long guns in Arizona is lawful," Patrick Cunningham, the U.S. Attorney's then–criminal chief in Arizona would later write. "Transferring them to another is lawful and even sale or barter of the guns to another is lawful unless the United States can prove by clear and convincing evidence that the firearm is intended to be used to commit a crime."

 

[kaz]

The NRA lobbied the GOP controlled legislature in Arizona to limit the prosecution of straw buyers. Even if a straw buyer said the guns were for personal use and sold them the instant they walked out of the gun shop, the NRA lobbied policies prevented them from being prosecuted. Straw purchasers could only be prosecuted if they were caught planning to resell the guns in advance of their purchase. Thank you NRA lobbyists.

Dude, you're not processing that Obama sold them the guns, are you? He sold them the guns, and he's not to blame because he hadn't' thought it through and wasn't up on the law when he did it?

Obama sold nothing!!!! You are not processing that you have been lied to by the NRA and GOP hate radio.

Dude, get over what you memorized from MS-NBC and the lies you were told by the left wing media.

 

[jon_berzerk]

Dude, you're not processing that Obama sold them the guns, are you? He sold them the guns, and he's not to blame because he hadn't' thought it through and wasn't up on the law when he did it?

Obama sold nothing!!!! You are not processing that you have been lied to by the NRA and GOP hate radio.

Dude, get over what you memorized from MS-NBC and the lies you were told by the left wing media.

documents show that the admin did

it also shows that the admin gave "seed money" to felons to buy firearms

 

[kaz]

Obama sold nothing!!!! You are not processing that you have been lied to by the NRA and GOP hate radio.

Dude, get over what you memorized from MS-NBC and the lies you were told by the left wing media.

documents show that the admin did

it also shows that the admin gave "seed money" to felons to buy firearms

Yes, and when leftists know they are losing based on the facts they start ranting about Fox and the new media. I love to mock them for that, even though they are too brainwashed and idiotic to get it.

 

[Wildman]

Actually I'm making fun of the dumbshits who believe the BS story that the ATF or the US Government was actually gunrunning.

Besides "Guns don't kill people, people kill people".

you're being naive. if you know someone is going to kill and you give them a gun, you are responsible. but i know you will never hold obama responsible for anything.

If you must blame someone or something beside the thieves who did it, blame Arizona's lax Gun Laws.

what the **** is so "LAX" about Arizona's "Gun Laws" ??

can you be any more stupid ??

please do not answer, you would only confirm my suspicions.

 

[Wildman]

New revelations in the ongoing Fast and Furious investigation show that the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) used taxpayer money to buy assault weapons that they then passed on to Mexican drug cartels. Sources have also claimed that ATF superiors ordered surveillance teams to stop tracking weapons once they were in the cartels’ possession.

Documents Show ATF Bought Guns with Taxpayer Money to Give to Drug Cartels | The Foundry: Conservative Policy News from The Heritage Foundation

does anyone here know what an "ASSAULT WEAPON" is ???

the truth about "assault weapons" can be found here:

=http://assaultweapontruth.com/]Assault Weapon Truth: The Facts about Assault Weapons

and here:

=http://www.goal.org/newspages/AWB-truth.html]The Truth About "Assault Weapons"

and here:

The Truth About Assault Weapons

 

[rdean]

These crazy right wingers. They are as bad as:

Bush knew

or

Bush let Bin Laden go and Obama had Bin Laden killed. Oh wait.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Deany asks a question, we answer and he's still nuts

 

[rdean]

Deany asks a question, we answer and he's still nuts

Yea, but did you read the answers? They are so stupid. You would have to be a tard to believe such nonsense. Oops, scuz me.

 

[rdean]

I think it was just incompetence on his part, but the wingnuts on this board aren't about to accept that simple of an answer. It has to be some dark, insidious plot to take away American's guns. Then probably something involving FEMA camps.

Well except for that pesky fact the FBI claimed that firearms run to Mexico compromised 90 percent of all firearms in Mexican crimes. When they knew the Government was running the firearms to Mexico and that most of the firearms actually seized or found by Mexican authorities were untraceable, 90 percent of a small fraction of the guns was traceable and lead back to fast and furious.

Further this administration tried to use that claim to create more restrictive laws to prevent law abiding citizens from purchasing firearms.

So Obama is behind 90% of all gun Crimes in Mexico?

 

[rdean]

I think it was just incompetence on his part, but the wingnuts on this board aren't about to accept that simple of an answer. It has to be some dark, insidious plot to take away American's guns. Then probably something involving FEMA camps.

That's a great point. I mean, giving guns to drug gangs. When would anyone think that there's anything nefarious in that? Giving ... guns ... to ... drug gangs. I mean that could only be a simple mistake that anyone could make without realizing what they are doing. Who would have predicted without a crystal ball that would end up badly?

I mean seriously, if Obama were on video shooting an old lady in the head, you would defend that too. Giving guns to drug gangs. Wow...

Obama was on a video shooting an old lady in the head?

 

[rdean]

How did the NRA make it impossible for the government to stop the gunrunning when it was the government doing the gunrunning in the first place?

The whole thing was a manufactured crisis. Get Mexicans killing each other, tie it into American gun sales, and try to get the average American to demand government "do something" meaning more gun laws. The whole thing blew up in Obama's face when Brian Terry got killed with one of those guns Obama sent to Mexico.

How many thousands in Mexico have been killed because of Obama's policy of arming the cartels?

There was a similar program started under the Bush administration as well. Was that part of some nefarious plot to take away your guns too?

ok time for some facts. Bush's program was deemed to not work after only 400 firearms went missing. MAJOR differences between Bush and Obama program..... Under Bush the Mexican Government was involved, they were to track the firearms in Mexico, after 400 firearms went in they informed the US they could not track the weapons and the program was shut down.

Under Obama the Mexican Government was not only not involved they were NEVER notified. The SAME people under Bush ran the Obama program, THEY KNEW the program did not work WITH Mexican cooperation, why exactly would it work with none? What bright person said hey it did not work when we used the Mexicans lets try this time with no cooperation, no assets in Mexico to even attempt to track the firearms. No arrests in the US in fact agents were forbidden from interfering with the transfers and in fact dealers were TOLD to sell them the firearms.

Getting the point yet?

So Bush was gun running to Mexico?

 

[rdean]

New revelations in the ongoing Fast and Furious investigation show that the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) used taxpayer money to buy assault weapons that they then passed on to Mexican drug cartels. Sources have also claimed that ATF superiors ordered surveillance teams to stop tracking weapons once they were in the cartels’ possession.

Documents Show ATF Bought Guns with Taxpayer Money to Give to Drug Cartels | The Foundry: Conservative Policy News from The Heritage Foundation

The first post under the article in your link is, "I notice you didn't source the story. Neither did Fox".

 

[jon_berzerk]

new developments on the third weapon which came from the "seed money"

which ended up at the crime scene in which border agent Brian Terry

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BySHARYL ATTKISSON CBS NEWS January 21, 2014, 2: 12 PM
Fast and Furious questions linger as IG continues investgation
The Justice Department's Inspector General is looking into whether there was a missing third weapon at the murder scene of Border Patrol agent Brian Terry, which sparked the ATF's Fast and Furious scandal. The Justice Department has steadfastly denied the existence of a third weapon.

In a new development in the Fast and Furious gunwalking case, the Justice Department's Inspector General (IG) is making inquiries into the possible existence of a missing third weapon in the 2010 murder of Border Patrol agent Brian Terry, CBS News has learned. According to sources close to the investigation, the IG is questioning the Border Patrol’s evidence collection team this week in Tucson, Ariz.

-In the audiotapes, ATF’s lead agent on Fast and Furious, Hope MacAllister, tells Howard that a third weapon recovered at the Terry murder scene is an SKS rifle. It's unclear why a weapon would be absent from the evidence disclosed at the crime scene under FBI jurisdiction. If it’s proven to exist, sources familiar with the investigation say it would imply possible evidence-tampering for unknown reasons.

Fast and Furious questions linger as IG continues investgation - CBS News