Evolution Starts with Lucy

[scruffy]

Where did the molecule come from?

See post #16.

Molecules of all kinds occur naturally in the vastness of outer space. There is plenty of carbon, just as there are interstellar hydrogen and helium clouds.

The fact is, life doesn't progress. It digresses.

Meh ... same difference.

And, how did your molecule self replicate?

See post #16. It's 24 hours from methane and ammonia to amino acids and nucleotides.

The more interesting piece is the self replicating lipids, of which there is now a huge literature.

You act as if that can just miraculously happen.

Yes, it's quite miraculous. Thoroughly amazing.

Yet, you reject the miracle of God.

Whoa there, partner. Who's rejecting anything? We're discovering how God works. That's not rejection, it's quite the opposite.

Hypocrite.

Seems to me you might be one of those people who read stuff into the Bible that isn't there. It says "God created" but it doesn't say how He did it. Nowhere does it say he poofed stuff into existence. In fact the book of Genesis states the correct order of evolution, which is not bad for a bunch of 3000 year old Jews. Maybe you can't imagine any other form of creation, but I can, and others can too. Arrogant people think they know how God operates. IMO it's better to remain humble. Just keep exploring and the answers will come.

 

[alang1216]

Liberals and Democrats have stated clearly that when it comes to climate change, science has been settled. To anything liberal, science is settled. To ignore this fact, you can now reply. Because science is never settled.

Science is not religion, it is not carved in stone. However, I don't recall a modern instance where science made a U turn and not a incremental step toward greater precision.

 

[scruffy]

Science is not religion, it is not carved in stone. However, I don't recall a modern instance where science made a U turn and not a incremental step toward greater precision.

Well, there was phrenology...

 

[Cougarbear]

See post #16.

Molecules of all kinds occur naturally in the vastness of outer space. There is plenty of carbon, just as there are interstellar hydrogen and helium clouds.



Meh ... same difference.



See post #16. It's 24 hours from methane and ammonia to amino acids and nucleotides.

The more interesting piece is the self replicating lipids, of which there is now a huge literature.



Yes, it's quite miraculous. Thoroughly amazing.



Whoa there, partner. Who's rejecting anything? We're discovering how God works. That's not rejection, it's quite the opposite.



Seems to me you might be one of those people who read stuff into the Bible that isn't there. It says "God created" but it doesn't say how He did it. Nowhere does it say he poofed stuff into existence. In fact the book of Genesis states the correct order of evolution, which is not bad for a bunch of 3000 year old Jews. Maybe you can't imagine any other form of creation, but I can, and others can too. Arrogant people think they know how God operates. IMO it's better to remain humble. Just keep exploring and the answers will come.

Well, since Adam and Eve it's been 6,000 years. The fact is, we don't know how life actually began and the mechanisms that caused it. God does. Man cannot recreate this. And no, we have not seen amino acids form proteins for life and have no idea how it works. You have hundreds of parts to a single cell and without anyone of them, the cell dies. That doesn't happen by chance or evolution.

 

[scruffy]

Well, since Adam and Eve it's been 6,000 years. The fact is, we don't know how life actually began and the mechanisms that caused it.

Yes, we do.

God does. Man cannot recreate this.

Yes, we can and we are.

And no, we have not seen amino acids form proteins for life and have no idea how it works.

Sorry, that was already 60 years ago.

Maybe catch up a little?

You have hundreds of parts to a single cell and without anyone of them, the cell dies. That doesn't happen by chance or evolution.

Yes, it does

You are trying to put God in a box. You are not being respectful of His accomplishments.

You are engaging in human arrogance and trying to cloak it with religion. It isn't working.

 

[Cougarbear]

Yes, we do.



Yes, we can and we are.



Sorry, that was already 60 years ago.

Maybe catch up a little?



Yes, it does

You are trying to put God in a box. You are not being respectful of His accomplishments.

You are engaging in human arrogance and trying to cloak it with religion. It isn't working.

You don’t know any of that. When you read studies in your science magazines and other media publications, fuzzy words are often used to explain something that hasn’t been proven and only is a guess. Words like “may be”; “might be”; “could be” blah, blah, blah…

 

[scruffy]

You don’t know any of that.

Yes, I do. I do this stuff for a living. Every single day.

When you read studies in your science magazines and other media publications, fuzzy words are often used to explain something that hasn’t been proven and only is a guess. Words like “may be”; “might be”; “could be” blah, blah, blah…

I support a bunch of colleagues in the Chicago area. We study the blood brain barrier. We genetically engineer our own knockout mice and stuff like that. The bbb is only one cell thick in places, we look at how bacteria and viruses move across it. You can imagine our surprise when we suddenly find a new life form in our preparations. One that uses a clever new mechanism to get across the barrier. Stuff like that happens all the time. I analyze the data, it's my job to look out for it, then find which genes changed or got inserted or whatever. I see genomes growing literally every single day. Life is amazing, it's never cut and dried.

 

[ReinyDays]

Evolution started with the first self replicating molecule. We are a direct result of the evolution of that molecule. As is all other life on Earth.

I was going to say human evolution started 2.2 billion years ago when the blue-green algae poisoned all other life ... we have no examples of anything that lived before then ...

 

[ReinyDays]

Where did the molecule come from? The fact is, life doesn't progress. It digresses. And, how did your molecule self replicate? You act as if that can just miraculously happen. Yet, you reject the miracle of God. Hypocrite.

Enzymes provide the basis for self-replication ... and sugar or salt crystals demonstrate that self-replication is common in nature ...

God's miracle is the self-same spirit ... what the heathen call empathy ... what does that have to do with chemistry? ...

 

[BothWings]

She has some 'splaining to do!


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What's funny is that she was the first person I thought of when I read the title of the thread!

 

[alang1216]

Well, there was phrenology...

Phrenology, a now-discredited theory, proposed that mental faculties were localized in specific regions of the brain, and that the size of these regions could be determined by examining the bumps on a person's skull. Essentially, phrenologists believed that the shape of the skull reflected the underlying brain's contours and thus, the strength of various mental attributes.

A fine theory but not one accepted by everyone. They were right that mental faculties were localized in specific regions of the brain.

 

[Cougarbear]

Yes, I do. I do this stuff for a living. Every single day.



I support a bunch of colleagues in the Chicago area. We study the blood brain barrier. We genetically engineer our own knockout mice and stuff like that. The bbb is only one cell thick in places, we look at how bacteria and viruses move across it. You can imagine our surprise when we suddenly find a new life form in our preparations. One that uses a clever new mechanism to get across the barrier. Stuff like that happens all the time. I analyze the data, it's my job to look out for it, then find which genes changed or got inserted or whatever. I see genomes growing literally every single day. Life is amazing, it's never cut and dried.

It's not a new life form. LOL! It's still the same bacteria. If you fell into a pit, you would attempt to create a new way of getting out of the pit. Once you did, aliens from another planet would say, WOW, A new life form!!! Don't let your boss see what you wrote or you will be out of work...

 

[scruffy]

It's not a new life form. LOL! It's still the same bacteria. If you fell into a pit, you would attempt to create a new way of getting out of the pit. Once you did, aliens from another planet would say, WOW, A new life form!!! Don't let your boss see what you wrote or you will be out of work...

Always the same bullshit arguments from the ignorant.

No son, when NASA and the Chinese discover new bacteria on their space raft they call them new species.

Because that's exactly what they are.

We've discovered half a dozen of them already.

Face it, the earth is not flat and it's not the center of the universe

 

[Old Rocks]

Science is not religion, it is not carved in stone. However, I don't recall a modern instance where science made a U turn and not a incremental step toward greater precision.

Actually, there was one that I know of. Because of the great debate between catastrophism and uniformitarianism the idea of the Bretz floods were rejected outright in spite of the evidence Bretz presented. However, when some of the leading lights in geology of that period actually put their feet on the ground and reviewed the evidence there, they reversed their rejection of those floods, sent a telegram to Bretz stating that "We are all catastrophists now". But the idea of geology based on a series of catastrophes was and is rejected. As Dr. Alan of Portland State University state, geology is uniformitarian, punctuated by catastrophes. Ice ages, floods, volcanic eruptions, and impacts, just to name a few.

 

[Old Rocks]

It's not a new life form. LOL! It's still the same bacteria. If you fell into a pit, you would attempt to create a new way of getting out of the pit. Once you did, aliens from another planet would say, WOW, A new life form!!! Don't let your boss see what you wrote or you will be out of work...

Apparently you have no idea at all of what constitutes a new species. Perhaps a high school biology class is in order.

 

[Old Rocks]

Phrenology, a now-discredited theory, proposed that mental faculties were localized in specific regions of the brain, and that the size of these regions could be determined by examining the bumps on a person's skull. Essentially, phrenologists believed that the shape of the skull reflected the underlying brain's contours and thus, the strength of various mental attributes.

A fine theory but not one accepted by everyone. They were right that mental faculties were localized in specific regions of the brain.

It was never a theory in the scientific term of a theory. In fact, it hardly made the grade as a hypothesis. More like a WAG.

 

[progressive hunter]

Science is not religion, it is not carved in stone. However, I don't recall a modern instance where science made a U turn and not a incremental step toward greater precision.

evolution is religion,,

 

[Old Rocks]

I was going to say human evolution started 2.2 billion years ago when the blue-green algae poisoned all other life ... we have no examples of anything that lived before then ...

Actually we do;

NASA Astrobiology

New Findings of Early Life on Earth Date Back 3.77 Billion Years

astrobiology.nasa.gov

How did the first cells form on Earth? Scientists think they finally figured it out

About 4 billion years ago, Earth began to show signs of the conditions that allowed the first cells to take hold and populate the planet.

www.earth.com

 

[Old Rocks]

evolution is religion,,

Given the fossil record, if you think that evolution is religion, then you would have to say that it is written in stone.

 

[gtopa1]

Whatever happened God dunnit!! End of story.

Greg