Ever wonder why 'liberal' is an insult?

[Wyatt earp]

You liberals are easy to mess with btw. All talk.

 

[Wyatt earp]

I do like the progressive label because in other places the term "liberalism" is used for the plutocratic anarchy that conservatives seem to think is THE answer to all our problems. Progressive is a far more descriptive term that is a direct antonym to conservative.

You're probably right.

The world "conservative" describes a view of public policy issues which reflects low-effort thinking. Conservatives prefer what is easy to believe to what is hard to understand. Progressives, on the other hand, base their views of public policy issues on well-researched and detailed study.

Like when you liberals thought the world was flat? And wanted to stay at home in Europe and raise taxes?

 

[Erand7899]

I do like the progressive label because in other places the term "liberalism" is used for the plutocratic anarchy that conservatives seem to think is THE answer to all our problems. Progressive is a far more descriptive term that is a direct antonym to conservative.

You're probably right.

The world "conservative" describes a view of public policy issues which reflects low-effort thinking. Conservatives prefer what is easy to believe to what is hard to understand. Progressives, on the other hand, base their views of public policy issues on well-researched and detailed study.

Do we laugh now, or is there a punch line coming?

It is fairly obvious how well thought out and researched Obamacare was. But, it is heavy on detail.

I have a good liberal idea. How about, regardless of a growing world population and the need for food to feed that population, we begin turning our food into fuel and forcing the people to use that fuel? Oh, I forgot, the liberal/progressive/socialists are already doing that. Must be some well-researched and detailed study on that somewhere.

 

[Joe Steel]

... The world "conservative" describes a view of public policy issues which reflects low-effort thinking. Conservatives prefer what is easy to believe to what is hard to understand. Progressives, on the other hand, base their views of public policy issues on well-researched and detailed study.

Like when you liberals thought the world was flat? And wanted to stay at home in Europe and raise taxes?

See what I mean?

You went for the cheap insult rather than making an attempt at a well-reasoned response.

Low-effort thinking.

 

[Joe Steel]

... The world "conservative" describes a view of public policy issues which reflects low-effort thinking. Conservatives prefer what is easy to believe to what is hard to understand. Progressives, on the other hand, base their views of public policy issues on well-researched and detailed study.

Do we laugh now, or is there a punch line coming?

It is fairly obvious how well thought out and researched Obamacare was. But, it is heavy on detail.

What's you point? Are you saying PPACA is simplistic?

I have a good liberal idea. How about, regardless of a growing world population and the need for food to feed that population, we begin turning our food into fuel and forcing the people to use that fuel? Oh, I forgot, the liberal/progressive/socialists are already doing that. Must be some well-researched and detailed study on that somewhere.

Are you saying bio-fuels are a progressive policy exclusively and aren't supported by conservatives at all?

 

[Wyatt earp]

... The world "conservative" describes a view of public policy issues which reflects low-effort thinking. Conservatives prefer what is easy to believe to what is hard to understand. Progressives, on the other hand, base their views of public policy issues on well-researched and detailed study.

Like when you liberals thought the world was flat? And wanted to stay at home in Europe and raise taxes?

See what I mean?

You went for the cheap insult rather than making an attempt at a well-reasoned response.

Low-effort thinking.

oh give me a break it is Sunday. Just to mess around.

 

[hazlnut]

Modern liberals bear no resemblance to those of the 18th century.

But people figured out that "progressive" basically meant socialist in the early 20th century, so they had to steal another description for themselves to obscure their true statist agenda.

It's all very Orewllean.

So, Lincoln was a Socialist?

Interesting point of view. And by 'interesting' I mean moronic.

 

[Wyatt earp]

You dont take the board's serious do ya?

 

[Erand7899]

... The world "conservative" describes a view of public policy issues which reflects low-effort thinking. Conservatives prefer what is easy to believe to what is hard to understand. Progressives, on the other hand, base their views of public policy issues on well-researched and detailed study.

Do we laugh now, or is there a punch line coming?

It is fairly obvious how well thought out and researched Obamacare was. But, it is heavy on detail.

What's you point? Are you saying PPACA is simplistic?

I have a good liberal idea. How about, regardless of a growing world population and the need for food to feed that population, we begin turning our food into fuel and forcing the people to use that fuel? Oh, I forgot, the liberal/progressive/socialists are already doing that. Must be some well-researched and detailed study on that somewhere.

Are you saying bio-fuels are a progressive policy exclusively and aren't supported by conservatives at all?

No, I am saying that Obamacare is a dumb idea, not well thought out, and unworkable in its present form. Maybe they should have read it and found out what was in it, before they passed it.

Since I do not know all conservatives, I would never say that all conservatives do not support turning corn (food) into alcohol (fuel) and then forcing its use on the public. The idea is predominately liberal/progressive/socialist, and is patently dumb.

 

[Vox]

Modern liberals bear no resemblance to those of the 18th century.

But people figured out that "progressive" basically meant socialist in the early 20th century, so they had to steal another description for themselves to obscure their true statist agenda.

It's all very Orewllean.

Interesting to note that all the loons at MSNBC are now referring to themselves and Obama's 'base' as "Progressives". Go figure.

which is actually astonishing, since they have been smearing "liberal" for years ( by their own existence).

traditionally "liberal" was not a derogatory term, however it was transformed to that by quasi-commies of the left which are marxist collectivists but are too scared to declare themselves as such.

 

[Vox]

Since I do not know all conservatives, I would never say that all conservatives do not support turning corn (food) into alcohol (fuel) and then forcing its use on the public. The idea is predominately liberal/progressive/socialist, and is patently dumb.

It is actually CRIMINAL.
and all those lying " bleeding heart" leftards which care so much about the hungry and the poor - by words only - will turn heaven and earth to benefit the big pockets in reality - and damn the rising prices of the food for the poor - let them die - that's the real left, without masks.

 

[francoHFW]

Modern liberals bear no resemblance to those of the 18th century.

But people figured out that "progressive" basically meant socialist in the early 20th century, so they had to steal another description for themselves to obscure their true statist agenda.

It's all very Orewllean.

Interesting to note that all the loons at MSNBC are now referring to themselves and Obama's 'base' as "Progressives". Go figure.

which is actually astonishing, since they have been smearing "liberal" for years ( by their own existence).

traditionally "liberal" was not a derogatory term, however it was transformed to that by quasi-commies of the left which are marxist collectivists but are too scared to declare themselves as such.

Hilarious...It was changed by Newt bs talking points, the Pub propaganda machine, and hater dupes like you...

Ethanol was a Pub/red corn state idea as much as a liberal one, and now even more...

EPA proposes cut in ethanol mandate, handing victory to oil - Politico
www.politico.com/story/2013/11/epa-ethanol-mandate-99928.html*CachedNov 15, 2013 ... (Earlier on POLITICO: Will Obama slash the ethanol mandate?) ...

 

[Vox]

Interesting to note that all the loons at MSNBC are now referring to themselves and Obama's 'base' as "Progressives". Go figure.

which is actually astonishing, since they have been smearing "liberal" for years ( by their own existence).

traditionally "liberal" was not a derogatory term, however it was transformed to that by quasi-commies of the left which are marxist collectivists but are too scared to declare themselves as such.

Hilarious...It was changed by Newt bs talking points, the Pub propaganda machine, and hater dupes like you...

Ethanol was a Pub/red corn state idea as much as a liberal one, and now even more...

stop lying, although it's hard.

it is the left which screeches about the "green energy" for decades now where in reality all what they support is much more harmful to the environment than traditional fossil fuels.
Ethanol included.

The only really clean energy is nuclear - and since leftard criminals are not FOR clean and reliable energy source, but for robbing the middle class for the benefit of the rich ( and there are no ways to do that with nuclear) - that is why they all have hysteria and seizures when the talk is about nuclear energy, but will push criminal ethanol as much as they can.

 

[Wyatt earp]

which is actually astonishing, since they have been smearing "liberal" for years ( by their own existence).

traditionally "liberal" was not a derogatory term, however it was transformed to that by quasi-commies of the left which are marxist collectivists but are too scared to declare themselves as such.

Hilarious...It was changed by Newt bs talking points, the Pub propaganda machine, and hater dupes like you...

Ethanol was a Pub/red corn state idea as much as a liberal one, and now even more...

stop lying, although it's hard.

it is the left which screeches about the "green energy" for decades now where in reality all what they support is much more harmful to the environment than traditional fossil fuels.
Ethanol included.

The only really clean energy is nuclear - and since leftard criminals are not FOR clean and reliable energy source, but for robbing the middle class for the benefit of the rich ( and there are no ways to do that with nuclear) - that is why they all have hysteria and seizures when the talk is about nuclear energy, but will push criminal ethanol as much as they can.

Yup ethanol and the metric system tried to get jammed down our throats during the Carter year's and we the people rejected like were doing to Obama care

 

[Zander]

Liberal is a slur- because of the historical record of leftist/liberal/commie/progressive movements. They ALWAYS end badly.......


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[bripat9643]

Modern liberals bear no resemblance to those of the 18th century.

But people figured out that "progressive" basically meant socialist in the early 20th century, so they had to steal another description for themselves to obscure their true statist agenda.

It's all very Orewllean.

So, Lincoln was a Socialist?

Interesting point of view. And by 'interesting' I mean moronic.

Was Lincoln president in the early 20th Century?

Are you claiming Lincoln, the white supremacist, was a progressive?

 

[francoHFW]

Hilarious...It was changed by Newt bs talking points, the Pub propaganda machine, and hater dupes like you...

Ethanol was a Pub/red corn state idea as much as a liberal one, and now even more...

stop lying, although it's hard.

it is the left which screeches about the "green energy" for decades now where in reality all what they support is much more harmful to the environment than traditional fossil fuels.
Ethanol included.

The only really clean energy is nuclear - and since leftard criminals are not FOR clean and reliable energy source, but for robbing the middle class for the benefit of the rich ( and there are no ways to do that with nuclear) - that is why they all have hysteria and seizures when the talk is about nuclear energy, but will push criminal ethanol as much as they can.

Yup ethanol and the metric system tried to get jammed down our throats during the Carter year's and we the people rejected like were doing to Obama care

So when did Ethanol ACTUALLY get shoved down our throats, and who's stopping the repeal NOW, brainwashed ignorami...

ACTUALLY, THE ONLY CLEAN ENERGY IS HYDRO, WIND, AND SOLAR..and thank god we've caught up to China and the EU under Obama...

And O-care is the Pub plan DUH...Course they lied about that too, for decades...the hypocrite a-holes prefer the scam system run by their cronies, hater dupes...

We're the only NON-metric country now...DUMB.

 

[HelenaHandbag]

Modern liberals bear no resemblance to those of the 18th century.

But people figured out that "progressive" basically meant socialist in the early 20th century, so they had to steal another description for themselves to obscure their true statist agenda.

It's all very Orewllean.

perhaps you should deal in actual definitions and not what you pretend the words mean.

liberal isn't a dirty word… reactionary extremists who pretend to be conservative spit the word out as if its poison. so perhaps you're projecting.

I deal in actual definitions.

Unlike progressive "liberals" I don't have to mince and twist words to to try and play semantic shell games with what I really believe. But the last thing in the world modern liberals are about is honesty, intellectual or otherwise.

And save the dime store psychoanalysis for someone who is impressed by it, because I'm not.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Being a fan of etymology (orign of words) I thought to check. Seems 'liberal' has been used in centuries past as an insult, but the history of 'conservative' is even more eye-opening:

liberal (adj.) Look up liberal at Dictionary.com
mid-14c., "generous," also, late 14c., "selfless; noble, nobly born; abundant," and, early 15c., in a bad sense "extravagant, unrestrained," from Old French liberal "befitting free men, noble, generous, willing, zealous" (12c.), from Latin liberalis "noble, gracious, munificent, generous," literally "of freedom, pertaining to or befitting a free man," from liber "free, unrestricted, unimpeded; unbridled, unchecked, licentious," from PIE *leudh-ero- (cf. Greek eleutheros "free"), probably originally "belonging to the people" (though the precise semantic development is obscure), and a suffixed form of the base *leudh- "people" (cf. Old Church Slavonic ljudu, Lithuanian liaudis, Old English leod, German Leute "nation, people;" Old High German liut "person, people") but literally "to mount up, to grow."

With the meaning "free from restraint in speech or action," liberal was used 16c.-17c. as a term of reproach. It revived in a positive sense in the Enlightenment, with a meaning "free from prejudice, tolerant," which emerged 1776-88.

In reference to education, explained by Fowler as "the education designed for a gentleman (Latin liber a free man) & ... opposed on the one hand to technical or professional or any special training, & on the other to education that stops short before manhood is reached" (cf. liberal arts). Purely in reference to political opinion, "tending in favor of freedom and democracy" it dates from c.1801, from French libéral, originally applied in English by its opponents (often in French form and with suggestions of foreign lawlessness) to the party favorable to individual political freedoms. But also (especially in U.S. politics) tending to mean "favorable to government action to effect social change," which seems at times to draw more from the religious sense of "free from prejudice in favor of traditional opinions and established institutions" (and thus open to new ideas and plans of reform), which dates from 1823.

Conservative, n. A statesman who is enamored of existing evils, as distinguished from the Liberal, who wishes to replace them with others. [Ambrose Bierce, "Devil's Dictionary," 1911]



conservative (adj.) Look up conservative at Dictionary.com
late 14c., conservatyf, from Middle French conservatif, from Late Latin conservativus, from Latin conservatus, past participle of conservare (see conserve).

As a modern political tradition, conservatism traces to Edmund Burke's opposition to the French Revolution (1790), but the word conservative is not found in his writing. It was coined by his French disciples, (e.g. Chateaubriand, who titled his journal defending clerical and political restoration "Le Conservateur").

Conservative as the name of a British political faction first appeared in an 1830 issue of the "Quarterly Review," in an unsigned article sometimes attributed to John Wilson Croker. It replaced Tory (q.v.) by 1843, reflecting both a change from the pejorative name (in use for 150 years) and repudiation of some reactionary policies. Extended to similar spirits in other parties from 1845.

Strictly speaking, conservatism is not a political system, but rather a way of looking at the civil order. The conservative of Peru ... will differ greatly from those of Australia, for though they may share a preference for things established, the institutions and customs which they desire to preserve are not identical. [Russell Kirk (1918-1994)]


...Ah. So conservatives were against democracy in France and FOR the French aristocracy eh? Didn't we put all their heads on pikes after taking them off with the guillotine? Apparently some got away.

Mostly, it is an insult because people like you insist that you are liberals.

 

[Vox]

Hilarious...It was changed by Newt bs talking points, the Pub propaganda machine, and hater dupes like you...

Ethanol was a Pub/red corn state idea as much as a liberal one, and now even more...

stop lying, although it's hard.

it is the left which screeches about the "green energy" for decades now where in reality all what they support is much more harmful to the environment than traditional fossil fuels.
Ethanol included.

The only really clean energy is nuclear - and since leftard criminals are not FOR clean and reliable energy source, but for robbing the middle class for the benefit of the rich ( and there are no ways to do that with nuclear) - that is why they all have hysteria and seizures when the talk is about nuclear energy, but will push criminal ethanol as much as they can.

Yup ethanol and the metric system tried to get jammed down our throats during the Carter year's and we the people rejected like were doing to Obama care

what's wrong with metric system?

anyway it has succeeded in the medical world ( thanks God) and everything else I can live with