Even Muslims don't believe that a person exists at conception

[MayorQuimby]

Nope. No brain, no consciousness, no human life. It's just a form of biological life, like a skin cell or a sperm cell.

False.

An entity does not require a consciousness to be human life.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

I don't believe life begins at conception. Scientifically, life begins at implantation where the child begins to grow.


It is common for a fertilized egg that failed to implant to be expelled in a normal cycle.

 

[MayorQuimby]

I don't believe life begins at conception. Scientifically, life begins at implantation where the child begins to grow.

Yet the fertilized egg, begins to divide and grow, before it implants.

Only a living thing can divide and grow. Hence, the fertilized egg is human life, and life begins at conception.

 

[Monk-Eye]

" Egocentric Damned Dirty Hue Mammon Ape Wants Exception From Exploitation Before Sentience Allows Suffering "

* Feelings Of Sapient Apex Predator Status *

Dude I have no idea what you just said.

A universal scale of exploitation presents an ethical dilemma of when empathy for suffering is valid , when one entity exploits another entity .

A capacity for sentience is required for empathy from suffering to be valid .

A universal scale of exploitation classifies entities capable of suffering along a scale ranging from inchoate , to sentient , to sapient .

A sapient apex predator does not provide exception from exploitation for entities which are inchoate , though discretionary exceptions may be applied for extinction .

A sapient apex predator provides discretionary exception from exploitation for entities which are sentient , though with discretionary exceptions may be applied for extinction .

A sapient apex predator provides discretionary exception from exploitation for entities which are sentient , though with discretionary exceptions may be applied for extinction .

A sapient apex predator provides discretionary exception from exploitation for entities which are sapient , though with discretionary exceptions may be applied for extinction .

 

[Monk-Eye]

" Constructing Self Ownership And Self Determination Principles Of Individualism "

* Ontogeny Recapitulates Phylogeny And Descriptions Of Developmental Stages *

BBC - Religions - Islam: Abortion

This article examines Islamic teachings on abortion and various ethical viewpoints.

www.bbc.co.uk

A relevant hadith suggests that the moment of ensoulment is 120 days:
Muslims apparently believe that a fetus has a soul at 120 days. Therefore, prior to that, we can argue that it isn't a person, regardless of whether or not it is biologically alive.
I honestly don't know how a person can believe that a zygote is person from the moment of conception, when common sense alone would dictate that it isn't, and even "conservative" views on abortion wouldn't agree with this. I honestly would chalk it up to a lack of critical thought, if nothing else.

The number 120 is likely devised with lore from a numerology .

An 120 days is an approximation for the onset of " a quickening " .

An 120 days is roughly synonymous with transition to a fetus ( sole ) when vestigial development is complete .

The concept of physical suffering includes a necessary requirement for a capacity to suffer .

A pseudo scientific lexicon of metaphors such as cognition , of mind , as cognitive objection , as in do you mind , can be included with an onset of sentience .

The term soul alludes to a spirit , while antiquity regarded spirits as smells , as humors , which were associated with various characteristics .

Irrespective of the hoke us poke us , 120 days is not a sufficient window by which to diagnose and mitigate an average 3% of severe congenital anomalies in the fetus , and it does not substantiate a collective tyranny by majority to proscribe alternatives by the mother for determining her own reproductive health .

A deconstruction of the term person is per , as in countable by census and son , as in male , which is why , by etymology , only males are citizens of us republic according to us 14th amendment , else see suffrage and us 19th amendment .

The title 1 section 8 of us code definition for a person includes a live birth requirement , against which us scotus committed malfeasance , in addition to sedition against us 14th , 9th , 1st and 10th amendments , in its dumbfounded dobbs decision .

A state cannot abrogate the enumerated rite to equal protection in us 14th amendment , which includes a live birth requirement , such that us federate , and us states , are prohibited from proscribing abortion , as doing so would be to provide equal protections to something which has not completed live birth .

As any which has not completed a live birth does not have constitutional protections , any perceived offense against a fetus is a charge of offense against constitutional protections afforded to the mother and appropriate penalties should be applied .

 

[Chuz Life]

I don't believe life begins at conception. Scientifically, life begins at implantation where the child begins to grow.


It is common for a fertilized egg that failed to implant to be expelled in a normal cycle.

Yet the fertilized egg, begins to divide and grow, before it implants.

Only a living thing can divide and grow. Hence, the fertilized egg is human life, and life begins at conception.

Well said, you beat me to it.

EvilCat Breath, please consider, fertilization and conception can take place in a lab/ petri dish and the newly conceived organisms (of any species - including humans) can be kept alive, unattached, in that lab for weeks until they are embryos, even.

I hope that fact will give you some reasons to rethink your idea about implantation being the "beginning" of life.

 

[Monk-Eye]

" Space Gardeners Delivering Biological Cargo Question Anthropocentric Arrogance "

* Pushing The Line For Progeny As Private Property Of Self Owner Ship *

Well said, you beat me to it.

EvilCat Breath, please consider, fertilization and conception can take place in a lab/ petri dish and the newly conceived organisms (of any species - including humans) can be kept alive, unattached, in that lab for weeks until they are embryos, even.
I hope that fact will give you some reasons to rethink your idea about implantation being the "beginning" of life.

An assessment of natural law would evaluate truths through consequences as evidence from within nature , and on a universal scale of exploitation for apex predators , an inchoate is not granted exception from exploitation , or unless discretion is provided to forgo extinction .

On a universal scale of exploitation for apex predators , the sentient are granted discretionary exception from exploitation based on empathy for suffering , or unless discretion is provided to forgo extinction .

. Seven Laws of Noah - Wikipedia . Not to eat flesh torn from a living animal.[29]

The claims of relevance for precedence in issuing equal protections with a citizen to any not born alive is support for formal sedition against us constitution , while claims for relevance to provide equal protections based simply on hue mammon genome that does not include a capacity for suffering is not valid on a universal scale of expectation for apex predators .

Whether by umbilical in a matrix isolation chamber , or whether by implantation in a placenta , a rabid maniacal defense of a hue mammon life from the point of conception levies profane dogma for an arcane teleology as precepts for the deontology from antiquated natural law theorists .

The autonomic nervous system and higher order thinking cortex need to be joined for a capacity of sentience and suffering to exist in a hue mammon fetus , and thalamocortical radiations begin to onset at about 23 weeks of development while an actual capacity for suffering occurs later at about 29 - 30 weeks .

The onset of sentience and viability are nearly concurrent in timeline , and the ethical arguments for empathy , or the constitutional argument from an ability to survive an imminent live birth , are in place to safeguard progeny in self ownership from the principles of individualism , for with cause abortion .

Always the abortion anti-choice ignore with cause abortion and hysterically invoke self infatuation and anthropocenric psychosis without actually lamenting the misgivings of its exploitation as an apex predator .

. Zone1 - Anthropocentic Psychosis : How Compelling And To Which Ends Are Its Impacts Within Hue Mammon Society ? .