Even Muslims don't believe that a person exists at conception

[Midnight FM]

No. It's a social construct isn't it.

Being a person is about having consciousness. A zygote does not.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

We see the perfect example of both a twisted sociopath and the maleducation of the public school system.

 

[Midnight FM]

We see the perfect example of both a twisted sociopath and the maleducation of the public school system.

If you'd been to college, it wouldn't be to hard for you to understand.

A zygote does not have a brain or consciousness. Being a biological organism isn't what gives it rights. Having its own consciousness does. Such as how, a person who is clinically braindead may be a biological organism, but can be legally taken off of life support.

Consciousness is what determine the rights things have, which is why humans have more rights than animals, and why more complex animals have more rights than less complex animals (e.x. a dog may have some rights, but I'm not aware of anyone attempting to give rights to a mosquito).

Trying to pretend that consciousness doesn't have to do with rights is silly. For example, if an android was created that had a consciousness identical to that of a human, I would say it would have the same rights as humans. It would essentially be a human, just made out of metal. However, the extremists of the pro-life side would have to argue that simply because it isn't a "human organism", it has no rights.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

If you'd been to college, it wouldn't be to hard for you to understand.

A zygote does not have a brain or consciousness. Being a biological organism isn't what gives it rights. Having its own consciousness does. Such as how, a person who is clinically braindead may be a biological organism, but can be legally taken off of life support.

Being a human being is what gives the child its rights.

Someone that is biologically brain dead can still be murdered. They can't be stabbed, smothered or have poison put in their IV because you think they have no right to life.

 

[Midnight FM]

Being a human being is what gives the child its rights.

Someone that is biologically brain dead can still be murdered. They can't be stabbed, smothered or have poison put in their IV because you think they have no right to life.

Oh, so a robot wouldn't have any rights if it had the same consciousness as a person, just because it isn't a "human organism"?

 

[fncceo]

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Oh, so a robot wouldn't have any rights if it had the same consciousness as a person, just because it isn't a "human organism"?

This does not deserve serious consideration.

 

[Orangecat]

And it has no brain or consciousness to speak of.

I could contend the same of you after reading your brief post history.

 

[Orangecat]

It hasn't grown to the point that it qualifies as having a right to life yet.

Your opinion is irrelevant.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

It doesn't matter "if it's growing". It hasn't grown to the point that it qualifies as having a right to life yet.

You don't make that determination. It is FULLY HUMAN. We protect innocent human life

 

[Kondor3]

BBC - Religions - Islam: Abortion

This article examines Islamic teachings on abortion and various ethical viewpoints.

www.bbc.co.uk

A relevant hadith suggests that the moment of ensoulment is 120 days:

Muslims apparently believe that a fetus has a soul at 120 days. Therefore, prior to that, we can argue that it isn't a person, regardless of whether or not it is biologically alive.

I honestly don't know how a person can believe that a zygote is person from the moment of conception, when common sense alone would dictate that it isn't, and even "conservative" views on abortion wouldn't agree with this. I honestly would chalk it up to a lack of critical thought, if nothing else.

Why don't you ask your local mullah what he thinks of taking an ice-pick and scrambling an unborn baby's brains?

And then maybe selling some of its constituent parts?'

What a dumb idea for a thread.

BTW...

The "Pro-Choice" lobby called an hour ago while you were out and I took a message...

It reads: "Thank you very much for your interest in our cause but please stay off of our side !!!"

 

[Missouri_Mike]

BBC - Religions - Islam: Abortion

This article examines Islamic teachings on abortion and various ethical viewpoints.

www.bbc.co.uk

A relevant hadith suggests that the moment of ensoulment is 120 days:

Muslims apparently believe that a fetus has a soul at 120 days. Therefore, prior to that, we can argue that it isn't a person, regardless of whether or not it is biologically alive.

I honestly don't know how a person can believe that a zygote is person from the moment of conception, when common sense alone would dictate that it isn't, and even "conservative" views on abortion wouldn't agree with this. I honestly would chalk it up to a lack of critical thought, if nothing else.

Hey retard, Muslims don’t value life at any age. Why the hell would I look to them for any humanitarian advice?

 

[Missouri_Mike]

BBC - Religions - Islam: Abortion

This article examines Islamic teachings on abortion and various ethical viewpoints.

www.bbc.co.uk

A relevant hadith suggests that the moment of ensoulment is 120 days:

Muslims apparently believe that a fetus has a soul at 120 days. Therefore, prior to that, we can argue that it isn't a person, regardless of whether or not it is biologically alive.

I honestly don't know how a person can believe that a zygote is person from the moment of conception, when common sense alone would dictate that it isn't, and even "conservative" views on abortion wouldn't agree with this. I honestly would chalk it up to a lack of critical thought, if nothing else.

Trying to use Muslims for the basis of abortion policy has to be one of the dumbest ******* ideas you’ve ever had. And you so far haven’t had a good thread idea ever so that’s saying something.

Let’s see who else Muslims don’t consider human.

1- Women
2- Gays
3- non-muslims

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

I would argue it is a person when it has its own consciousness.

Who’s to say that consciousness is required to be considered a person?

 

[MayorQuimby]

It's a biological life form, but not a person.

But what kind of biological life form is it though? Could it be a human life?

 

[Monk-Eye]

" Individual Person Means Countable By Census And Male *

* Hue Mammon In Semblance Of Mammaries On *

But what kind of biological life form is it though? Could it be a human life?

Yeah , listen to arrogance of the apex predator damned dirty apes invoking anthropocentric psychosis and blubbering for exception from a universal scale of exploitation .

Stop confusing the literal meaning of an after life , which is genetic continuance , with the metaphorical means by which to achieve a literal after life , as a sophisticated physical state is required for sentience , sapience and introspection as afforded through biological life .

A subjective altruism of an ego is that its introspection should exist in perpetuity , while empirical evidence from nature relates that not every instance of introspection must exist in perpetuity to satisfy a subjective altruism of an ego .

. Zone1 - Anthropocentic Psychosis : How Compelling And To Which Ends Are Its Impacts Within Hue Mammon Society ? .

 

[MayorQuimby]

" Individual Person Means Countable By Census And Male *

* Hue Mammon In Semblance Of Mammaries On *

Yeah , listen to arrogance of the apex predator damned dirty apes invoking anthropocentric psychosis and blubbering for exception from a universal scale of exploitation .

Stop confusing the literal meaning of an after life , which is genetic continuance , with the metaphorical means by which to achieve a literal after life .

A subjective altruism of an ego is that its introspection should exist in perpetuity , while empirical evidence from nature relates that not every instance of introspection must exist in perpetuity to satisfy a subjective altruism of an ego .

. Zone1 - Anthropocentic Psychosis : How Compelling And To Which Ends Are Its Impacts Within Hue Mammon Society ? .

Dude I have no idea what you just said.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Pretty much. So can a skin cell and a sperm cell.

Skin cells and sperm cells are not a human life. A fertilized human egg IS a human life

 

[MayorQuimby]

Skin cells and sperm cells are not a human life. A fertilized human egg IS a human life

Be careful Carl, you might fry his brain.

 

[Midnight FM]

Skin cells and sperm cells are not a human life. A fertilized human egg IS a human life

Nope. No brain, no consciousness, no human life. It's just a form of biological life, like a skin cell or a sperm cell.