European Assault on Freedom of Speech.

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Both the EU and post-EU Britain are throttling the liberty to think.

You It has been argued that Brexit will make us freer. Not just in an economic or political sense, but also in terms of individual civil liberties. spiked’s Mick Hume wrote that ‘the referendum result is a triumph for free speech and a smack in the eye for the culture of You Can’t Say That’. And it is.

Post-Brexit Britain will no longer be bound by an EU Code of Conduct that seeks to police the online speech of over 500million citizens and ban ‘illegal online hate speech’. Or an EU law that encourages the criminalisation of ‘insult’. Or a proposed EU law that undermines fundamental freedoms by purging Europe of every last shred of supposed ‘discrimination’.

We can distinguish ourselves from our European neighbours that are intent on pursuing more and more censorship. Just over the summer it was reported that prosecutors in Spain initiated criminal proceedings against the Archbishop of Valencia for preaching a homily alleged to have been ‘sexist’ and ‘homophobic’. In the Netherlands, a man was sentenced to 30 days in prison for ‘intentionally insulting’ the king on Facebook. And in Germany a prosecution was launched against a comedian who made jokes against Turkish president Recep Tayyip Erdogan.


The European assault on freedom of speech

 

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^ Free-speech campaigners point out that all manner of democratic debate could be stifled by these proposals. Martin Luther King, Mahatma Ghandi, William Wilberforce, and countless others were considered extremists in their day and a threat to those in power.

 

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Both the EU and post-EU Britain are throttling the liberty to think.

You It has been argued that Brexit will make us freer. Not just in an economic or political sense, but also in terms of individual civil liberties. spiked’s Mick Hume wrote that ‘the referendum result is a triumph for free speech and a smack in the eye for the culture of You Can’t Say That’. And it is.

Post-Brexit Britain will no longer be bound by an EU Code of Conduct that seeks to police the online speech of over 500million citizens and ban ‘illegal online hate speech’. Or an EU law that encourages the criminalisation of ‘insult’. Or a proposed EU law that undermines fundamental freedoms by purging Europe of every last shred of supposed ‘discrimination’.

We can distinguish ourselves from our European neighbours that are intent on pursuing more and more censorship. Just over the summer it was reported that prosecutors in Spain initiated criminal proceedings against the Archbishop of Valencia for preaching a homily alleged to have been ‘sexist’ and ‘homophobic’. In the Netherlands, a man was sentenced to 30 days in prison for ‘intentionally insulting’ the king on Facebook. And in Germany a prosecution was launched against a comedian who made jokes against Turkish president Recep Tayyip Erdogan.


The European assault on freedom of speech

Socialism intentionally denies examination because it is irrational. There is no formal defined dogma of socialism. Instead there is only a vague, rosy notion of something good, noble and just: the advent of these things will bring instant euphoria and a social order beyond reproach. Socialism seeks equality through uniformity and communal ownership. Socialism has an extraordinary ability to incite and inflame its adherents and inspire social movements. Socialists dismiss their defeats and ignore their incongruities. They desire big government and use big government to implement their morally relativistic social policies. Socialism is a religion. The religious nature of socialism explains their hostility towards traditional religions which is that of one rival religion over another. Their dogma is based on materialism, primitive instincts, atheism and the deification of man. They see no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure. They practice moral relativity, indiscriminate indiscriminateness, multiculturalism, cultural Marxism and normalization of deviance. They worship science but are the first to reject it when it suits their purposes. They can be identified by an external locus of control. Their religious doctrine is abolition of private property, abolition of family, abolition of religion and equality via uniformity and communal ownership. They practice critical theory which is the Cultural Marxist theory to criticize what they do not believe to arrive at what they do believe without ever having to examine what they believe. They confuse critical theory for critical thinking. Critical thinking is the practice of challenging what one does believe to test its validity. Something they never do.

 

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Both the EU and post-EU Britain are throttling the liberty to think.

You It has been argued that Brexit will make us freer. Not just in an economic or political sense, but also in terms of individual civil liberties. spiked’s Mick Hume wrote that ‘the referendum result is a triumph for free speech and a smack in the eye for the culture of You Can’t Say That’. And it is.

Post-Brexit Britain will no longer be bound by an EU Code of Conduct that seeks to police the online speech of over 500million citizens and ban ‘illegal online hate speech’. Or an EU law that encourages the criminalisation of ‘insult’. Or a proposed EU law that undermines fundamental freedoms by purging Europe of every last shred of supposed ‘discrimination’.

We can distinguish ourselves from our European neighbours that are intent on pursuing more and more censorship. Just over the summer it was reported that prosecutors in Spain initiated criminal proceedings against the Archbishop of Valencia for preaching a homily alleged to have been ‘sexist’ and ‘homophobic’. In the Netherlands, a man was sentenced to 30 days in prison for ‘intentionally insulting’ the king on Facebook. And in Germany a prosecution was launched against a comedian who made jokes against Turkish president Recep Tayyip Erdogan.


The European assault on freedom of speech

Socialism intentionally denies examination because it is irrational. There is no formal defined dogma of socialism. Instead there is only a vague, rosy notion of something good, noble and just: the advent of these things will bring instant euphoria and a social order beyond reproach. Socialism seeks equality through uniformity and communal ownership. Socialism has an extraordinary ability to incite and inflame its adherents and inspire social movements. Socialists dismiss their defeats and ignore their incongruities. They desire big government and use big government to implement their morally relativistic social policies. Socialism is a religion. The religious nature of socialism explains their hostility towards traditional religions which is that of one rival religion over another. Their dogma is based on materialism, primitive instincts, atheism and the deification of man. They see no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure. They practice moral relativity, indiscriminate indiscriminateness, multiculturalism, cultural Marxism and normalization of deviance. They worship science but are the first to reject it when it suits their purposes. They can be identified by an external locus of control. Their religious doctrine is abolition of private property, abolition of family, abolition of religion and equality via uniformity and communal ownership. They practice critical theory which is the Cultural Marxist theory to criticize what they do not believe to arrive at what they do believe without ever having to examine what they believe. They confuse critical theory for critical thinking. Critical thinking is the practice of challenging what one does believe to test its validity. Something they never do.

So your title is about Europe and you then go off on one about Socialism....

 

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Both the EU and post-EU Britain are throttling the liberty to think.

You It has been argued that Brexit will make us freer. Not just in an economic or political sense, but also in terms of individual civil liberties. spiked’s Mick Hume wrote that ‘the referendum result is a triumph for free speech and a smack in the eye for the culture of You Can’t Say That’. And it is.

Post-Brexit Britain will no longer be bound by an EU Code of Conduct that seeks to police the online speech of over 500million citizens and ban ‘illegal online hate speech’. Or an EU law that encourages the criminalisation of ‘insult’. Or a proposed EU law that undermines fundamental freedoms by purging Europe of every last shred of supposed ‘discrimination’.

We can distinguish ourselves from our European neighbours that are intent on pursuing more and more censorship. Just over the summer it was reported that prosecutors in Spain initiated criminal proceedings against the Archbishop of Valencia for preaching a homily alleged to have been ‘sexist’ and ‘homophobic’. In the Netherlands, a man was sentenced to 30 days in prison for ‘intentionally insulting’ the king on Facebook. And in Germany a prosecution was launched against a comedian who made jokes against Turkish president Recep Tayyip Erdogan.


The European assault on freedom of speech

Socialism intentionally denies examination because it is irrational. There is no formal defined dogma of socialism. Instead there is only a vague, rosy notion of something good, noble and just: the advent of these things will bring instant euphoria and a social order beyond reproach. Socialism seeks equality through uniformity and communal ownership. Socialism has an extraordinary ability to incite and inflame its adherents and inspire social movements. Socialists dismiss their defeats and ignore their incongruities. They desire big government and use big government to implement their morally relativistic social policies. Socialism is a religion. The religious nature of socialism explains their hostility towards traditional religions which is that of one rival religion over another. Their dogma is based on materialism, primitive instincts, atheism and the deification of man. They see no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure. They practice moral relativity, indiscriminate indiscriminateness, multiculturalism, cultural Marxism and normalization of deviance. They worship science but are the first to reject it when it suits their purposes. They can be identified by an external locus of control. Their religious doctrine is abolition of private property, abolition of family, abolition of religion and equality via uniformity and communal ownership. They practice critical theory which is the Cultural Marxist theory to criticize what they do not believe to arrive at what they do believe without ever having to examine what they believe. They confuse critical theory for critical thinking. Critical thinking is the practice of challenging what one does believe to test its validity. Something they never do.

So your title is about Europe and you then go off on one about Socialism....

Isn't Europe socialist in its thinking?

 

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^ Free-speech campaigners point out that all manner of democratic debate could be stifled by these proposals. Martin Luther King, Mahatma Ghandi, William Wilberforce, and countless others were considered extremists in their day and a threat to those in power.

Hilarious. As though the Raj didn't imprison Ghandi for sedition, the ultimate free speech.

 

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Ah. The Raj as socialism, how amusing.

 

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Both the EU and post-EU Britain are throttling the liberty to think.

You It has been argued that Brexit will make us freer. Not just in an economic or political sense, but also in terms of individual civil liberties. spiked’s Mick Hume wrote that ‘the referendum result is a triumph for free speech and a smack in the eye for the culture of You Can’t Say That’. And it is.

Post-Brexit Britain will no longer be bound by an EU Code of Conduct that seeks to police the online speech of over 500million citizens and ban ‘illegal online hate speech’. Or an EU law that encourages the criminalisation of ‘insult’. Or a proposed EU law that undermines fundamental freedoms by purging Europe of every last shred of supposed ‘discrimination’.

We can distinguish ourselves from our European neighbours that are intent on pursuing more and more censorship. Just over the summer it was reported that prosecutors in Spain initiated criminal proceedings against the Archbishop of Valencia for preaching a homily alleged to have been ‘sexist’ and ‘homophobic’. In the Netherlands, a man was sentenced to 30 days in prison for ‘intentionally insulting’ the king on Facebook. And in Germany a prosecution was launched against a comedian who made jokes against Turkish president Recep Tayyip Erdogan.


The European assault on freedom of speech

Socialism intentionally denies examination because it is irrational. There is no formal defined dogma of socialism. Instead there is only a vague, rosy notion of something good, noble and just: the advent of these things will bring instant euphoria and a social order beyond reproach. Socialism seeks equality through uniformity and communal ownership. Socialism has an extraordinary ability to incite and inflame its adherents and inspire social movements. Socialists dismiss their defeats and ignore their incongruities. They desire big government and use big government to implement their morally relativistic social policies. Socialism is a religion. The religious nature of socialism explains their hostility towards traditional religions which is that of one rival religion over another. Their dogma is based on materialism, primitive instincts, atheism and the deification of man. They see no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure. They practice moral relativity, indiscriminate indiscriminateness, multiculturalism, cultural Marxism and normalization of deviance. They worship science but are the first to reject it when it suits their purposes. They can be identified by an external locus of control. Their religious doctrine is abolition of private property, abolition of family, abolition of religion and equality via uniformity and communal ownership. They practice critical theory which is the Cultural Marxist theory to criticize what they do not believe to arrive at what they do believe without ever having to examine what they believe. They confuse critical theory for critical thinking. Critical thinking is the practice of challenging what one does believe to test its validity. Something they never do.

So your title is about Europe and you then go off on one about Socialism....

The connection was the drive for uniformity which is totally consistent with socialism and the left.

 

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The connection was the drive for uniformity which is totally consistent with socialism and the left.

Absolutely. Whereas European capitalism thrives on individuality.

 

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The connection was the drive for uniformity which is totally consistent with socialism and the left.

Absolutely. Whereas European capitalism thrives on individuality.

While funny it is a poor reason to believe that diversity of thought should be squelched. Growth filled communities should explore every side of an issue to arrive at objective truth. Honest men and women can have honest differences of opinion. They should be able to express their beliefs without fear of being punished. Objective truth is arrived at through a conflict and confusion process. Truth, like cream, rises to the top with agitation. Diversity of thought is critical to that process.

All one has to do is to look at nature to see the value of diversity. God loves diversity. He created it.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Both the EU and post-EU Britain are throttling the liberty to think.

You It has been argued that Brexit will make us freer. Not just in an economic or political sense, but also in terms of individual civil liberties. spiked’s Mick Hume wrote that ‘the referendum result is a triumph for free speech and a smack in the eye for the culture of You Can’t Say That’. And it is.

Post-Brexit Britain will no longer be bound by an EU Code of Conduct that seeks to police the online speech of over 500million citizens and ban ‘illegal online hate speech’. Or an EU law that encourages the criminalisation of ‘insult’. Or a proposed EU law that undermines fundamental freedoms by purging Europe of every last shred of supposed ‘discrimination’.

We can distinguish ourselves from our European neighbours that are intent on pursuing more and more censorship. Just over the summer it was reported that prosecutors in Spain initiated criminal proceedings against the Archbishop of Valencia for preaching a homily alleged to have been ‘sexist’ and ‘homophobic’. In the Netherlands, a man was sentenced to 30 days in prison for ‘intentionally insulting’ the king on Facebook. And in Germany a prosecution was launched against a comedian who made jokes against Turkish president Recep Tayyip Erdogan.


The European assault on freedom of speech

Socialism intentionally denies examination because it is irrational. There is no formal defined dogma of socialism. Instead there is only a vague, rosy notion of something good, noble and just: the advent of these things will bring instant euphoria and a social order beyond reproach. Socialism seeks equality through uniformity and communal ownership. Socialism has an extraordinary ability to incite and inflame its adherents and inspire social movements. Socialists dismiss their defeats and ignore their incongruities. They desire big government and use big government to implement their morally relativistic social policies. Socialism is a religion. The religious nature of socialism explains their hostility towards traditional religions which is that of one rival religion over another. Their dogma is based on materialism, primitive instincts, atheism and the deification of man. They see no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure. They practice moral relativity, indiscriminate indiscriminateness, multiculturalism, cultural Marxism and normalization of deviance. They worship science but are the first to reject it when it suits their purposes. They can be identified by an external locus of control. Their religious doctrine is abolition of private property, abolition of family, abolition of religion and equality via uniformity and communal ownership. They practice critical theory which is the Cultural Marxist theory to criticize what they do not believe to arrive at what they do believe without ever having to examine what they believe. They confuse critical theory for critical thinking. Critical thinking is the practice of challenging what one does believe to test its validity. Something they never do.

So your title is about Europe and you then go off on one about Socialism....

The connection was the drive for uniformity which is totally consistent with socialism and the left.

Lots of people try and have conformity. It's not just something from the left.

If you're looking with blinkers on, you won't see the whole picture.

 

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Both the EU and post-EU Britain are throttling the liberty to think.

You It has been argued that Brexit will make us freer. Not just in an economic or political sense, but also in terms of individual civil liberties. spiked’s Mick Hume wrote that ‘the referendum result is a triumph for free speech and a smack in the eye for the culture of You Can’t Say That’. And it is.

Post-Brexit Britain will no longer be bound by an EU Code of Conduct that seeks to police the online speech of over 500million citizens and ban ‘illegal online hate speech’. Or an EU law that encourages the criminalisation of ‘insult’. Or a proposed EU law that undermines fundamental freedoms by purging Europe of every last shred of supposed ‘discrimination’.

We can distinguish ourselves from our European neighbours that are intent on pursuing more and more censorship. Just over the summer it was reported that prosecutors in Spain initiated criminal proceedings against the Archbishop of Valencia for preaching a homily alleged to have been ‘sexist’ and ‘homophobic’. In the Netherlands, a man was sentenced to 30 days in prison for ‘intentionally insulting’ the king on Facebook. And in Germany a prosecution was launched against a comedian who made jokes against Turkish president Recep Tayyip Erdogan.


The European assault on freedom of speech

And this is where America's liberals want to take US, which is why they will be in this thread attacking youj.

 

[Mindful]

Both the EU and post-EU Britain are throttling the liberty to think.

You It has been argued that Brexit will make us freer. Not just in an economic or political sense, but also in terms of individual civil liberties. spiked’s Mick Hume wrote that ‘the referendum result is a triumph for free speech and a smack in the eye for the culture of You Can’t Say That’. And it is.

Post-Brexit Britain will no longer be bound by an EU Code of Conduct that seeks to police the online speech of over 500million citizens and ban ‘illegal online hate speech’. Or an EU law that encourages the criminalisation of ‘insult’. Or a proposed EU law that undermines fundamental freedoms by purging Europe of every last shred of supposed ‘discrimination’.

We can distinguish ourselves from our European neighbours that are intent on pursuing more and more censorship. Just over the summer it was reported that prosecutors in Spain initiated criminal proceedings against the Archbishop of Valencia for preaching a homily alleged to have been ‘sexist’ and ‘homophobic’. In the Netherlands, a man was sentenced to 30 days in prison for ‘intentionally insulting’ the king on Facebook. And in Germany a prosecution was launched against a comedian who made jokes against Turkish president Recep Tayyip Erdogan.


The European assault on freedom of speech

And this is where America's liberals want to take US, which is why they will be in this thread attacking youj.

Water off a duck's back.

It gets repetitive.

 

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Both the EU and post-EU Britain are throttling the liberty to think.

You It has been argued that Brexit will make us freer. Not just in an economic or political sense, but also in terms of individual civil liberties. spiked’s Mick Hume wrote that ‘the referendum result is a triumph for free speech and a smack in the eye for the culture of You Can’t Say That’. And it is.

Post-Brexit Britain will no longer be bound by an EU Code of Conduct that seeks to police the online speech of over 500million citizens and ban ‘illegal online hate speech’. Or an EU law that encourages the criminalisation of ‘insult’. Or a proposed EU law that undermines fundamental freedoms by purging Europe of every last shred of supposed ‘discrimination’.

We can distinguish ourselves from our European neighbours that are intent on pursuing more and more censorship. Just over the summer it was reported that prosecutors in Spain initiated criminal proceedings against the Archbishop of Valencia for preaching a homily alleged to have been ‘sexist’ and ‘homophobic’. In the Netherlands, a man was sentenced to 30 days in prison for ‘intentionally insulting’ the king on Facebook. And in Germany a prosecution was launched against a comedian who made jokes against Turkish president Recep Tayyip Erdogan.


The European assault on freedom of speech

Socialism intentionally denies examination because it is irrational. There is no formal defined dogma of socialism. Instead there is only a vague, rosy notion of something good, noble and just: the advent of these things will bring instant euphoria and a social order beyond reproach. Socialism seeks equality through uniformity and communal ownership. Socialism has an extraordinary ability to incite and inflame its adherents and inspire social movements. Socialists dismiss their defeats and ignore their incongruities. They desire big government and use big government to implement their morally relativistic social policies. Socialism is a religion. The religious nature of socialism explains their hostility towards traditional religions which is that of one rival religion over another. Their dogma is based on materialism, primitive instincts, atheism and the deification of man. They see no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure. They practice moral relativity, indiscriminate indiscriminateness, multiculturalism, cultural Marxism and normalization of deviance. They worship science but are the first to reject it when it suits their purposes. They can be identified by an external locus of control. Their religious doctrine is abolition of private property, abolition of family, abolition of religion and equality via uniformity and communal ownership. They practice critical theory which is the Cultural Marxist theory to criticize what they do not believe to arrive at what they do believe without ever having to examine what they believe. They confuse critical theory for critical thinking. Critical thinking is the practice of challenging what one does believe to test its validity. Something they never do.

So your title is about Europe and you then go off on one about Socialism....

The connection was the drive for uniformity which is totally consistent with socialism and the left.

Lots of people try and have conformity. It's not just something from the left.

If you're looking with blinkers on, you won't see the whole picture.

Do lot's of people codify uniformity of speech and thought?

 

[frigidweirdo]

Both the EU and post-EU Britain are throttling the liberty to think.

You It has been argued that Brexit will make us freer. Not just in an economic or political sense, but also in terms of individual civil liberties. spiked’s Mick Hume wrote that ‘the referendum result is a triumph for free speech and a smack in the eye for the culture of You Can’t Say That’. And it is.

Post-Brexit Britain will no longer be bound by an EU Code of Conduct that seeks to police the online speech of over 500million citizens and ban ‘illegal online hate speech’. Or an EU law that encourages the criminalisation of ‘insult’. Or a proposed EU law that undermines fundamental freedoms by purging Europe of every last shred of supposed ‘discrimination’.

We can distinguish ourselves from our European neighbours that are intent on pursuing more and more censorship. Just over the summer it was reported that prosecutors in Spain initiated criminal proceedings against the Archbishop of Valencia for preaching a homily alleged to have been ‘sexist’ and ‘homophobic’. In the Netherlands, a man was sentenced to 30 days in prison for ‘intentionally insulting’ the king on Facebook. And in Germany a prosecution was launched against a comedian who made jokes against Turkish president Recep Tayyip Erdogan.


The European assault on freedom of speech

Socialism intentionally denies examination because it is irrational. There is no formal defined dogma of socialism. Instead there is only a vague, rosy notion of something good, noble and just: the advent of these things will bring instant euphoria and a social order beyond reproach. Socialism seeks equality through uniformity and communal ownership. Socialism has an extraordinary ability to incite and inflame its adherents and inspire social movements. Socialists dismiss their defeats and ignore their incongruities. They desire big government and use big government to implement their morally relativistic social policies. Socialism is a religion. The religious nature of socialism explains their hostility towards traditional religions which is that of one rival religion over another. Their dogma is based on materialism, primitive instincts, atheism and the deification of man. They see no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure. They practice moral relativity, indiscriminate indiscriminateness, multiculturalism, cultural Marxism and normalization of deviance. They worship science but are the first to reject it when it suits their purposes. They can be identified by an external locus of control. Their religious doctrine is abolition of private property, abolition of family, abolition of religion and equality via uniformity and communal ownership. They practice critical theory which is the Cultural Marxist theory to criticize what they do not believe to arrive at what they do believe without ever having to examine what they believe. They confuse critical theory for critical thinking. Critical thinking is the practice of challenging what one does believe to test its validity. Something they never do.

So your title is about Europe and you then go off on one about Socialism....

The connection was the drive for uniformity which is totally consistent with socialism and the left.

Lots of people try and have conformity. It's not just something from the left.

If you're looking with blinkers on, you won't see the whole picture.

Do lot's of people codify uniformity of speech and thought?

"lot's"? There aren't that many people who are able to codify anything, generally they're legislators and there aren't that many of them in the US. So, no, "lot's of people" don't codify uniformity of speech simply because they don't codify ANYTHING.

 

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Socialism intentionally denies examination because it is irrational. There is no formal defined dogma of socialism. Instead there is only a vague, rosy notion of something good, noble and just: the advent of these things will bring instant euphoria and a social order beyond reproach. Socialism seeks equality through uniformity and communal ownership. Socialism has an extraordinary ability to incite and inflame its adherents and inspire social movements. Socialists dismiss their defeats and ignore their incongruities. They desire big government and use big government to implement their morally relativistic social policies. Socialism is a religion. The religious nature of socialism explains their hostility towards traditional religions which is that of one rival religion over another. Their dogma is based on materialism, primitive instincts, atheism and the deification of man. They see no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure. They practice moral relativity, indiscriminate indiscriminateness, multiculturalism, cultural Marxism and normalization of deviance. They worship science but are the first to reject it when it suits their purposes. They can be identified by an external locus of control. Their religious doctrine is abolition of private property, abolition of family, abolition of religion and equality via uniformity and communal ownership. They practice critical theory which is the Cultural Marxist theory to criticize what they do not believe to arrive at what they do believe without ever having to examine what they believe. They confuse critical theory for critical thinking. Critical thinking is the practice of challenging what one does believe to test its validity. Something they never do.

So your title is about Europe and you then go off on one about Socialism....

The connection was the drive for uniformity which is totally consistent with socialism and the left.

Lots of people try and have conformity. It's not just something from the left.

If you're looking with blinkers on, you won't see the whole picture.

Do lot's of people codify uniformity of speech and thought?

"lot's"? There aren't that many people who are able to codify anything, generally they're legislators and there aren't that many of them in the US. So, no, "lot's of people" don't codify uniformity of speech simply because they don't codify ANYTHING.

This discussion is on Europe and the concern raised in the OP on homogenization of thought and speech.

Whenever that was done in history it ended badly.

 

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The reality is that multicultualism as it is being applied in Europe is a drive towards uniformity of thought. And even worse, it is indiscriminate indiscriminateness. The problem with indiscriminate indiscriminateness as practiced by the left is that they don't really practice it. They want to discriminate against what they want without an opposing voice. I am not arguing that there are things we should not discriminate against. There are things we should not tolerate. But I am all for having an honest dialog about them.

 

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So your title is about Europe and you then go off on one about Socialism....

The connection was the drive for uniformity which is totally consistent with socialism and the left.

Lots of people try and have conformity. It's not just something from the left.

If you're looking with blinkers on, you won't see the whole picture.

Do lot's of people codify uniformity of speech and thought?

"lot's"? There aren't that many people who are able to codify anything, generally they're legislators and there aren't that many of them in the US. So, no, "lot's of people" don't codify uniformity of speech simply because they don't codify ANYTHING.

This discussion is on Europe and the concern raised in the OP on homogenization of thought and speech.

Whenever that was done in history it ended badly.

Really?

So, when the metric system was introduced to most of the world, it was a disaster?

Yep, a disaster, only Burma, the US and Antarctica don't use the metric system. DISASTER.

That's not to say I actually agree that everything should be the same. I'm not a Socialist, I'm not for an international nation thing.

Any extreme will ignore the reality of things. Look at the partisan politics in the US where both sides ignore just about anything that isn't convenient. Yes, Socialists do this, but loads of other people in different groups use the same tactics.

 

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The connection was the drive for uniformity which is totally consistent with socialism and the left.

Lots of people try and have conformity. It's not just something from the left.

If you're looking with blinkers on, you won't see the whole picture.

Do lot's of people codify uniformity of speech and thought?

"lot's"? There aren't that many people who are able to codify anything, generally they're legislators and there aren't that many of them in the US. So, no, "lot's of people" don't codify uniformity of speech simply because they don't codify ANYTHING.

This discussion is on Europe and the concern raised in the OP on homogenization of thought and speech.

Whenever that was done in history it ended badly.

Really?

So, when the metric system was introduced to most of the world, it was a disaster?

Yep, a disaster, only Burma, the US and Antarctica don't use the metric system. DISASTER.

That's not to say I actually agree that everything should be the same. I'm not a Socialist, I'm not for an international nation thing.

Any extreme will ignore the reality of things. Look at the partisan politics in the US where both sides ignore just about anything that isn't convenient. Yes, Socialists do this, but loads of other people in different groups use the same tactics.

The metric system? Really? That's your argument?

Help me understand your point. Are you saying that because the entire world did not adopt a system of units that disaster has struck? How exactly do you define disaster?

The reality is that use I both systems (imperial and metric) in my line of work. I don't really see the disaster.

If you want to discuss disaster, I suggest we start this discussion when like minded people come to power. Such as Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot and Mao, and how uniformity of thought led to real disasters.

Or if you like we could discuss the American disasters of slavery and native Americans.

But either way, I don't think the lack of uniform adoption of the metric system could be called a disaster anymore than the lack of a common language would be.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Lots of people try and have conformity. It's not just something from the left.

If you're looking with blinkers on, you won't see the whole picture.

Do lot's of people codify uniformity of speech and thought?

"lot's"? There aren't that many people who are able to codify anything, generally they're legislators and there aren't that many of them in the US. So, no, "lot's of people" don't codify uniformity of speech simply because they don't codify ANYTHING.

This discussion is on Europe and the concern raised in the OP on homogenization of thought and speech.

Whenever that was done in history it ended badly.

Really?

So, when the metric system was introduced to most of the world, it was a disaster?

Yep, a disaster, only Burma, the US and Antarctica don't use the metric system. DISASTER.

That's not to say I actually agree that everything should be the same. I'm not a Socialist, I'm not for an international nation thing.

Any extreme will ignore the reality of things. Look at the partisan politics in the US where both sides ignore just about anything that isn't convenient. Yes, Socialists do this, but loads of other people in different groups use the same tactics.

The metric system? Really? That's your argument?

Help me understand your point. Are you saying that because the entire world did not adopt a system of units that disaster has struck? How exactly do you define disaster?

The reality is that use I both systems (imperial and metric) in my line of work. I don't really see the disaster.

If you want to discuss disaster, I suggest we start this discussion when like minded people come to power. Such as Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot and Mao, and how uniformity of thought led to real disasters.

Or if you like we could discuss the American disasters of slavery and native Americans.

But either way, I don't think the lack of uniform adoption of the metric system could be called a disaster anymore than the lack of a common language would be.

You are asking rather a lot of questions you should probably have asked yourself BEFORE telling me that conformity is a disaster.

Okay, Hitler was a disaster, Stalin was a disaster, Pol Pot was a disaster. What's your point? Because they all demanded conformity, therefore it was a disaster.

Look at the US. You have the pledge of allegiance in schools, you have the flag everywhere, the anthem, you have right wingers bitching and moaning about people kneeling at football games during the anthem, you have people who are like "we're not shopping in your store if you make a comment about our guns", it happens on both sides, but the right does it too.

Are you saying the US is a disaster?