Erik Prince on Sunday Morning Futures: The US has “No Means” to Shoot Down Russia’s Mach 9 Hypersonic Ballistic Missiles that Were Just Fired on Ukrai

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Erik Prince on Sunday Morning Futures:

The US has “No Means” to Shoot Down Russia’s Mach 9 Hypersonic Ballistic Missiles that Were Just Fired on Ukraine

24 Nov 2024 ~~ By Jim Hoft

Erik Prince joined Maria Bartiromo on Sunday Morning Futures this morning.
Erik Prince is a former Navy SEAL officer and founder of Blackwater Private Military Company.
During their discussion, Prince pointed out how Russia changed the game this past week following the taunting of the US and NATO attacks inside the Russian borders.
According to Prince, the US has “no means” to shoot down Russia’s Mach 9 hypersonic missile like the one that was fired into Ukraine last week!
Russia fired its advanced hypersonic missile into Ukraine last week.
Americans better wake up!
Erik Prince: There’s no good outcome to this war. It needs to de-escalate and be done. There’s no chance that Ukraine is going to retake its land, the Donetsk, the Luhansk, the areas in the east, certainly not the Crimea.​
It’s been a fool’s errand for the last year and a half, and all we’re doing is wiping out the next generations of Ukrainian men, and Russian men, for that matter.​
~Snip~​
Erik Prince: To me, it’s like a drowning man grabbing at any rope that might be available to them thinking that it might somehow push the Russians to play nicer or something. There is really no practical reason.
The fact is, the Russians fired a ballistic missile that carried nine warheads going Mach 9, that there is no means to shoot down. And even with non-nuclear, the kinetic force is enormous, and those could have just as easily… It was a reminder by the Russians, We can smack you anywhere with nukes, and maybe that’s what’s coming next. This is not a game that needs to be played any longer. It is grossly irresponsible.

Commentary:
Contrary to Mr. Prince's statement, here's a bit of information...The Ukraine claims it has shot down a Russian Kh-47M2 Khinzal air-launched ballistic missile using the U.S. Patriot system.
Meanwhile the U.S. has developed a Hyper-Sonic & Ballistic Space Sensor System (HBTSS) and launched six satellites with more to satellites to go into orbit beginning the first of the year.
Israel has also improved the "Iron Dome" with a new laser anti ballistic system they've named "Iron Beam".
Both these system handle various types of missiles, drones and mortar rounds.
Meanwhile, I put nothing passed Neo-Marxist Democrats twisted minds.
I'm expecting something.. their 'peaceful transition' canard rings hollow. Luckily, Trump is much smarter than they are, and he's encircled himself with some very smart and capable people.
We all know that winning the election was just the beginning of a bare knuckle fist fight with the deep state.

God wins.. they didn't get the memo yet.. but they will.

See: https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a43806773/patriot-missile-kills-russia-hypersonic-kinzhal-missile/
 
They [Russia] probably have like 2 or 3 more of them. And they are IRBM, not ICBM as several sources had claimed.
 
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They [Russia] probably have like 2 or 3 more of them. And they are IRBM, not ICBM as several source shad claimed.
Doesn't matter.

They don't have anything that the MIC hasn't already figured that they do have and can combat.

But combating them will take massive "investment".

You know the drill from there.......
 
War is evil. Always has been. 80 Yesrs without a nuclear attack, often just due to.dumb luck of soldiers refusing to believe the information their.detection systems incorrect identified. Even during the Russian missile crisis, a.Russian sub almost fired a nuke.on the U.S because they thought America was.sending a.nuclear sub to Moscow.. Human beings are vastly intelligent but ironically quite stupid at the same time. Petrov.and Arhkipov, remember those names and google them. Two Russians, two incidenr incidents, whose decisions saved millions of lives.
 

The US has “No Means” to Shoot Down Russia’s Mach 9 Hypersonic Ballistic Missiles that Were Just Fired on Ukraine​


I'm not entirely buying that.
A missile going Mach 9 is really just a ROCKET going about 6,000 mph. That is on the slow side for what NASA deals with as escape velocity is around 17,000 mph.

So, if it is over short distance from Russia to Ukraine--- yeah, too little time to deal with it.
But if Russia is launching intercontinental from Russia to the USA for instance, now the thing is in the air for minutes, and THE TRAJECTORY IS RIGHT AT YOU. Such a trajectory has little lateral motion.

So I believe it is doable for AI to calculate the speed and trajectory and launch a suborbital interceptor at it to be in the right place when it arrives to blow it up.
Besides, what WE can't shoot down neither can Russia.
It works both ways.
 
I'm not entirely buying that.
A missile going Mach 9 is really just a ROCKET going about 6,000 mph. That is on the slow side for what NASA deals with as escape velocity is around 17,000 mph.

So, if it is over short distance from Russia to Ukraine--- yeah, too little time to deal with it.
But if Russia is launching intercontinental from Russia to the USA for instance, now the thing is in the air for minutes, and THE TRAJECTORY IS RIGHT AT YOU. Such a trajectory has little lateral motion.

So I believe it is doable for AI to calculate the speed and trajectory and launch a suborbital interceptor at it to be in the right place when it arrives to blow it up.
Besides, what WE can't shoot down neither can Russia.
It works both ways.
Oh, bullshit.

It's the same MAD boogerman that we've allowed to scare us to death since the Cold War.
 
Russia failed to demonstrate, again, that they can hit a high value target with any degree of accuracy. When we test our weapons, like cruise missiles, we hit a building on a target often hundreds, if not thousands of miles away, and usually can hit with zero CEP. What was the target for this IRBM with a conventional or dummy warhead in Ukraine? What did they actually destroy?

High speed of weapons has a drawback called inertia. Targeting gets infinitely more difficult the high the speed because the projectile wants to continue to its intended target. If you are off slightly, getting the weapon back on target is difficult. That's why the Chinese boast about their so-called carrier killer hypersonic missiles but have never demonstrated the ability to hit a stationary target much less a mobile one. With nukes, accuracy is almost irrelevant, but with conventional weapons, you must put the projectile on target with zero error.
 

The US has “No Means” to Shoot Down Russia’s Mach 9 Hypersonic Ballistic Missiles that Were Just Fired on Ukraine​


....that we're willing to tell you about.
I wasn't impressed with the accuracy either. From what I've read, communication and control of hypersonic missiles is very difficult and we all know how good the Russians are with electronics.
 
THIS IS WHAT IT WAS

Ukrainian intelligence,
Whereas the RS-26 was a derivative of the SS-27M ICBM, making use of its first and second stages, the Orezhnik, according to the Ukrainians, made use of the first and second stages of the new “Kedr” (Cedar) ICBM, which is in the early stages of development. Moreover, the weapons delivery system appears to be taken from the newly developed Yars-M, which uses independent post-boost vehicles, or IPBVs, known in Russian as blok individualnogo razvedeniya (BIR), instead of traditional multiple independently targeted re-entry vehicles, or MIRVs.

In the classic weapons configuration for a modern Russian missile, the final stage of the missile, also known as the post-boost vehicle (PBV or bus), contains all the MIRVs. Once the missile exits the earth’s atmosphere, the PBV detaches from the missile body, and then independently maneuvers, releasing each warhead at the required point for it to reach its intended target. Since the MIRVs are all attached to the same PBV, the warheads are released over targets that are on a relatively linear path, limiting the area that can be targeted.

A missile using an IPBV configuration, however, can release each reentry vehicle at the same time, allowing each warhead to follow an independent trajectory to its target. This allows for greater flexibility and accuracy.
 
THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED
TOTAL TARGET OBLITERATION

The Oreshnik was designed to carry between four and six IPBVs. The one used against Dnipropetrovsk was a six IPBV-capable system. Each war head in turn contained six separate submunitions, consisting of metal slugs forged from exotic alloys that enabled them to maintain their form during the extreme heat generated by hypersonic re-entry speeds. These slugs are not explosive; rather they use the combined effects of the kinetic impact at high speed and the extreme heat absorbed by the exotic alloy to destroy their intended target on impact.

Oreshnik missile impact on the Dnipropetrovsk military industrial complex
The military industrial target struck by the Oreshnik was hit by six independent warheads, each containing six submunitions. In all, the Dnipropetrovsk facility was struck by 36 separate munitions, inflicting devastating damage, including to underground production facilities used by Ukraine and its NATO allies to produce short- and intermediate-range missiles.

These facilities were destroyed.

 
THIS IS WHAT WILL HAPPEN

If history is the judge, the Oreshnik will likely mirror in terms of operational concept a Soviet-era missile, the Skorost, which was developed beginning in 1982 to counter the planned deployment by the United States of the Pershing II intermediate-range ballistic missile to West Germany. The Skorost was, like the Oreshnik, an amalgam of technologies from missiles under development at the time, including an advanced version of the SS-20 IRBM, the yet-to-be deployed SS-25 ICBM, and the still under development SS-27. The result was a road-mobile two-stage missile which could carry either a conventional or nuclear payload that used a six-axle transporter-erector-launcher, or TEL (both the RS-26 and the Oreshnik likewise use a six-axle TEL).
In 1984, as the Skorost neared completion, the Soviet Strategic Missile Forces conducted exercises where SS-20 units practiced the tactics that would be used by the Skorost equipped forces. A total of three regiments of Skorost missiles were planned to be formed, comprising a total of 36 launchers and over 100 missiles. Bases for these units were constructed in 1985.

The Skorost missile and launcher
The Skorost was never deployed; production stopped in March 1987 as the Soviet Union prepared for the realities of the INF Treaty, which would have banned the Skorost system.
The history of the Skorost is important because the operational requirements for the system—to mirror the Pershing II missiles and quickly strike them in time of war—is the same mission given to the Oreshnik missile, with the Dark Eagle replacing the Pershing II.
But the Oreshnik can also strike other targets, including logistic facilities, command and control facilities, air defense facilities (indeed, the Russians just put the new Mk. 41 Aegis Ashore anti-ballistic missile defense facility that was activated on Polish soil on the Oreshnik’s target list).
In short, the Oreshnik is a game-changer in every way. In his November 21 remarks, Putin chided the United States, noting that the decision by President Trump in 2019 to withdraw from the INF Treaty was foolish, made even more so by the looming deployment of the Oreshnik missile, which would have been banned under the treaty.
On November 22, Putin announced that the Oreshnik was to enter serial production. He also noted that the Russians already had a significant stockpile of Oreshnik missiles that would enable Russia to respond to any new provocations by Ukraine and its western allies, thereby dismissing the assessments of western intelligence which held that, as an experimental system, the Russians did not have the ability to repeat attacks such as the one that took place on November 21.
As a conventionally armed weapon, the Oreshnik provides Russia with the means to strike strategic targets without resorting to the use of nuclear weapons.
This means that if Russia were to decide to strike NATO targets because of any future Ukrainian provocation (or a direct provocation by NATO), it can do so without resorting to nuclear weapons.
 
Doesn't matter.

They don't have anything that the MIC hasn't already figured that they do have and can combat.

But combating them will take massive "investment".

You know the drill from there.......
Yep, this comes to mind:

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How about peace instead of war?
 

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