Erasing Southern Pride: U.S. Army War College Removing Confederate Generals Portraits

[JimBowie1958]

They fought a war attempting to remove themselves from the United States of America.

They may have been patriots. But patriotism towards a despicable cause is not an admirable trait.

Did the confederates ethnically cleanse anyone like the USA did?

Given the opportunity, they might have.

And so you will punish and ridicule the descendants for what their ancestors MIGHT have done.....lol.

Libtards are libtards and there is nothing for it.

 

[JimBowie1958]

The Army War College portraits are there to interpret the true history of our Nation and the men and women who fought to preserve our country, our Constitution, and our way of life.

They show the history of all the Wars we fought including the Civil War. And depicting History as it should be. This would include the Civil War Generals on both sides of the equation.

This entire thread and article is based on one Officer just moving some picks outside his office as he rearranged the look of the area. It was NEVER ORDERED. It just happened. There is No Conspiracy here and thus the original OP is just HYPE..................

So who was saying this was part of a process considering whether those portraits will be allowed or not?

Guess they just had some bad mojo that morning?

You are starting to sound like CYA tasking instead of true history tasking.

 

[paperview]

No one with any inkling of historical knowledge would agree that the South fought to maintain slavery and the North fought to abolish it.

Of course it was. The evil institution of slavery underlined all of the issues the led to the war, and by '82 the war was overtly and unambiguously about it.

Sure. For the southern elites it was cheap labor, for the Republicans it was competitively unfair labor, and for northern democrats it was labor they didn't want to compete against in the North. Nevertheless, the South did not fight to maintain slavery any more than the North fought to destroy the institution. If slavery itself was the issue of the War then the Southern states would have remained in the Union after the Republicans passed the Corwin Amendment (A constitutional amendment guaranteeing slavery).
...

Just when was the Corwin Amendment introduced in the House, and when was it passed?

Gowan. Tell us.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Question, How can something be erased that is inside you?
No one but you can erase the pride you have in something.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Of course it was. The evil institution of slavery underlined all of the issues the led to the war, and by '82 the war was overtly and unambiguously about it.

Sure. For the southern elites it was cheap labor, for the Republicans it was competitively unfair labor, and for northern democrats it was labor they didn't want to compete against in the North. Nevertheless, the South did not fight to maintain slavery any more than the North fought to destroy the institution. If slavery itself was the issue of the War then the Southern states would have remained in the Union after the Republicans passed the Corwin Amendment (A constitutional amendment guaranteeing slavery).
...

Just when was the Corwin Amendment introduced in the House, and when was it passed?

Gowan. Tell us.

approved by the House of Representatives, February 28, 1861, and the Senate, March 2, 1861.

Before star of the west being sent to reinforce fort Sumter

 

[eagle1462010]

The Army War College portraits are there to interpret the true history of our Nation and the men and women who fought to preserve our country, our Constitution, and our way of life.

They show the history of all the Wars we fought including the Civil War. And depicting History as it should be. This would include the Civil War Generals on both sides of the equation.

This entire thread and article is based on one Officer just moving some picks outside his office as he rearranged the look of the area. It was NEVER ORDERED. It just happened. There is No Conspiracy here and thus the original OP is just HYPE..................

So who was saying this was part of a process considering whether those portraits will be allowed or not?

Guess they just had some bad mojo that morning?

You are starting to sound like CYA tasking instead of true history tasking.

LOL

I'm trying to state what actually happened. It's not a big deal. Yet it creates some media hype. It also gets the left up in arms so they can get the opportunity to call people racists...........

While I post about politics all the time, I can't stand the BS of politics all the time. CYA post..................LOL.............I never took any pictures down...........No policy ordered the pictures down............Just one officer moving some pics while changing the look of his office and hallway. That is all...........

That was the purpose of my post. True history tasking..............What the hell does that mean..............I reported what really happened in this particular incident.............Which isn't even an incident at all................

 

[paperview]

Sure. For the southern elites it was cheap labor, for the Republicans it was competitively unfair labor, and for northern democrats it was labor they didn't want to compete against in the North. Nevertheless, the South did not fight to maintain slavery any more than the North fought to destroy the institution. If slavery itself was the issue of the War then the Southern states would have remained in the Union after the Republicans passed the Corwin Amendment (A constitutional amendment guaranteeing slavery).
...

Just when was the Corwin Amendment introduced in the House, and when was it passed?

Gowan. Tell us.

approved by the House of Representatives, February 28, 1861, and the Senate, March 2, 1861.

Before star of the west being sent to reinforce fort Sumter

And how many states had already left the Union by that date?

 

[JimBowie1958]

Of course it was. The evil institution of slavery underlined all of the issues the led to the war, and by '82 the war was overtly and unambiguously about it.

Sure. For the southern elites it was cheap labor, for the Republicans it was competitively unfair labor, and for northern democrats it was labor they didn't want to compete against in the North. Nevertheless, the South did not fight to maintain slavery any more than the North fought to destroy the institution. If slavery itself was the issue of the War then the Southern states would have remained in the Union after the Republicans passed the Corwin Amendment (A constitutional amendment guaranteeing slavery).
...

Just when was the Corwin Amendment introduced in the House, and when was it passed?

Gowan. Tell us.

Corwin Amendment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In the Congressional session that began in December 1860, more than 200 resolutions with respect to slavery,[5] including 57 resolutions proposing constitutional amendments,[6] were introduced in Congress. Most represented compromises designed to avert military conflict. Mississippi Democratic Senator Jefferson Davis proposed one that explicitly protected property rights in slaves.[6] One group of House members proposed a national convention to accomplish secession as a "dignified, peaceful, and fair separation" that could settle questions like the equitable distribution of the Federal government's assets and rights to navigate the Mississippi River.[7]

On February 27, 1861, the House of Representatives considered the following text of a proposed constitutional amendment:[8]


No amendment of this Constitution, having for its object any interference within the States with the relations between their citizens and those described in second section of the first article of the Constitution as "all other persons", shall originate with any State that does not recognize that relation within its own limits, or shall be valid without the assent of every one of the States composing the Union.

Corwin proposed his own text as a substitute and those who opposed him failed on a vote of 68 to 121. The House then declined to give the resolution the required two-thirds vote, with a tally of 120 to 61, and then of 123 to 71.[8][9] On February 28, 1861, however, the House approved Corwin's version by a vote of 133 to 65.[10] The contentious debate in the House was relieved by abolitionist Republican Owen Lovejoy of Illinois, who questioned the amendment's reach: "Does that include polygamy, the other twin relic of barbarism?" Missouri Democrat John S. Phelps answered: "Does the gentleman desire to know whether he shall be prohibited from committing that crime?"[6]

On March 2, 1861, the United States Senate adopted it, 24 to 12.

Confederate States of America - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The order of secession resolutions and dates follow.

1. South Carolina (December 20, 1860)[40]
2. Mississippi (January 9, 1861)[41]
3. Florida (January 10)[42]
4. Alabama (January 11)[43]
5. Georgia (January 19)[44]
6. Louisiana (January 26)[45]
7. Texas (February 1; referendum February 23)[46]
– Ft. Sumter (April 12) and Lincoln's call up (April 15)[47] –
-Corwin Amendment passes Senate (March 2)
8. Virginia (April 17; referendum May 23, 1861)[48]
9. Arkansas (May 6)[49]
10. Tennessee (May 7; referendum June 8)[50]
11. North Carolina (May 20)[51]

The fact that the South seceded in two distinct groups shows that there were at least two different causes to their secession. The first group was driven out by Lincolns election without a single Southern elector won, and the second group left the union in response to Lincoln's order to call up troops to invade the South.

 

[paperview]

The first shots were fired in January of 1861.

Buchanan was President and he was trying to resupply Sumter.


Click to enlarge

The South fired upon the Union Steamship Star of the West

They took another ship and seized it: "The Marion."

Then converted her to a Man of War ship.
THE STEAMSHIP "MARION." ; SEIZED BY THE STATE OF SOUTH CAROLINA TO BE CONVERTED INTO A MAN-OF-WAR.

Star of the West

Note the date on the Harpers Weekly newspaper: January, 1861, linked above.

Most states had seceded and War had already begun before the Corwin Amendment was passed.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Just when was the Corwin Amendment introduced in the House, and when was it passed?

Gowan. Tell us.

approved by the House of Representatives, February 28, 1861, and the Senate, March 2, 1861.

Before star of the west being sent to reinforce fort Sumter

And how many states had already left the Union by that date?

Does it matter? had the war started?

 

[paperview]

A little Timeline for you, from the SC Convention forward:

December 20, 1860: South Carolina convention passes ordinance of secession.
December 24, 1860: Mississippi Senator Jefferson Davis introduces a "compromise" proposal which would effectively make slavery a national institution.
December 26, 1860: Major Anderson moves Federal garrison in Charleston, SC, from Fort Moultrie to Fort Sumter.
January 3, 1861: Georgia seizes Fort Pulaski. <---NOTE: THEY SEIZED THE FORT BEFORE THEY SECEDED.
January 4, 1861: Alabama seizes U.S. arsenal at Mount Vernon. <---NOTE: THEY SEIZED THE FORT BEFORE THEY SECEDED.
January 5, 1861: Alabama seizes Forts Morgan and Gaines. <---NOTE: THEY SEIZED THE FORT BEFORE THEY SECEDED.
January 6, 1861: Florida seizes Apalachicola arsenal. <---NOTE: THEY SEIZED THE ARSENAL BEFORE THEY SECEDED.
January 7, 1861: Florida seizes Fort Marion. <---NOTE: THEY SEIZED THE FORT BEFORE THEY SECEDED.
January 8, 1861: Floridians try to seize Fort Barrancas but are chased off.
January 9, 1861: Mississippi secedes.

Star of the West fired on in Charleston Harbor <-- FIRING ON A SHIP - A CLEAR ACT OF WAR
THE STEAMSHIP "MARION." SEIZED BY THE STATE OF SOUTH CAROLINA TO BE CONVERTED INTO A MAN-OF-WAR.
January 10, 1861: Florida secedes.

Louisiana seizes U.S. arsenal at Baton Rouge, as well as Forts Jackson and St. Philip.
January 11, 1861: Alabama secedes.

Louisiana seizes U.S. Marine Hospital.
January 14, 1861: Louisiana seizes Fort Pike. <---NOTE: THEY SEIZED THE FORT BEFORE THEY SECEDED.
January 19, 1861: Georgia secedes.
January 26, 1861: Louisiana secedes.
January 28, 1861: Tennessee Resolutions in favor of Crittenden Compromise offered in Congress.
February 1, 1861: Texas secedes.
February 8, 1861: Provisional Constitution of the Confederacy adopted in Montgomery, AL.

Arkansas seizes U.S. Arsenal at Little Rock.
February 12, 1861: Arkansas seizes U.S. ordnance stores at Napoleon.
February 18, 1861: Jefferson Davis inaugurated as President of the Confederacy.
March 4, 1861: Abraham Lincoln inaugurated as 16th President of the United States.
March 21, 1861: "Cornerstone speech" delivered by Alexander Stephens. (This is where the Confederate V President lays it out clearly: Slavery is the Cornerstone of the Confederacy.)

April 12, 1861: Fort Sumter fired upon by Confederates.
THE WAR OFFICIALLY BEGINS.

 

[JimBowie1958]

The Army War College portraits are there to interpret the true history of our Nation and the men and women who fought to preserve our country, our Constitution, and our way of life.

They show the history of all the Wars we fought including the Civil War. And depicting History as it should be. This would include the Civil War Generals on both sides of the equation.

This entire thread and article is based on one Officer just moving some picks outside his office as he rearranged the look of the area. It was NEVER ORDERED. It just happened. There is No Conspiracy here and thus the original OP is just HYPE..................

So who was saying this was part of a process considering whether those portraits will be allowed or not?

Guess they just had some bad mojo that morning?

You are starting to sound like CYA tasking instead of true history tasking.

LOL

I'm trying to state what actually happened. It's not a big deal. Yet it creates some media hype. It also gets the left up in arms so they can get the opportunity to call people racists...........

While I post about politics all the time, I can't stand the BS of politics all the time. CYA post..................LOL.............I never took any pictures down...........No policy ordered the pictures down............Just one officer moving some pics while changing the look of his office and hallway. That is all...........

That was the purpose of my post. True history tasking..............What the hell does that mean..............I reported what really happened in this particular incident.............Which isn't even an incident at all................

Well and good, I hope your perspective is accurate, but what constitutes an 'incident' is in the eye of the beholder.

And why did anonymous say that there was a process considering whether the portraits will be kept up? That sounds kinda shaky still......

 

[JimBowie1958]

approved by the House of Representatives, February 28, 1861, and the Senate, March 2, 1861.

Before star of the west being sent to reinforce fort Sumter

And how many states had already left the Union by that date?

Does it matter? had the war started?

No but she will continue to spin and spin until you forget what the hell you are discussing, lol.

I already answered her damned questions ten minutes ago.

roflmao

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Sure. For the southern elites it was cheap labor, for the Republicans it was competitively unfair labor, and for northern democrats it was labor they didn't want to compete against in the North. Nevertheless, the South did not fight to maintain slavery any more than the North fought to destroy the institution. If slavery itself was the issue of the War then the Southern states would have remained in the Union after the Republicans passed the Corwin Amendment (A constitutional amendment guaranteeing slavery).
...

Just when was the Corwin Amendment introduced in the House, and when was it passed?

Gowan. Tell us.

Corwin Amendment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In the Congressional session that began in December 1860, more than 200 resolutions with respect to slavery,[5] including 57 resolutions proposing constitutional amendments,[6] were introduced in Congress. Most represented compromises designed to avert military conflict. Mississippi Democratic Senator Jefferson Davis proposed one that explicitly protected property rights in slaves.[6] One group of House members proposed a national convention to accomplish secession as a "dignified, peaceful, and fair separation" that could settle questions like the equitable distribution of the Federal government's assets and rights to navigate the Mississippi River.[7]

On February 27, 1861, the House of Representatives considered the following text of a proposed constitutional amendment:[8]


No amendment of this Constitution, having for its object any interference within the States with the relations between their citizens and those described in second section of the first article of the Constitution as "all other persons", shall originate with any State that does not recognize that relation within its own limits, or shall be valid without the assent of every one of the States composing the Union.

Corwin proposed his own text as a substitute and those who opposed him failed on a vote of 68 to 121. The House then declined to give the resolution the required two-thirds vote, with a tally of 120 to 61, and then of 123 to 71.[8][9] On February 28, 1861, however, the House approved Corwin's version by a vote of 133 to 65.[10] The contentious debate in the House was relieved by abolitionist Republican Owen Lovejoy of Illinois, who questioned the amendment's reach: "Does that include polygamy, the other twin relic of barbarism?" Missouri Democrat John S. Phelps answered: "Does the gentleman desire to know whether he shall be prohibited from committing that crime?"[6]

On March 2, 1861, the United States Senate adopted it, 24 to 12.

Confederate States of America - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The order of secession resolutions and dates follow.

1. South Carolina (December 20, 1860)[40]
2. Mississippi (January 9, 1861)[41]
3. Florida (January 10)[42]
4. Alabama (January 11)[43]
5. Georgia (January 19)[44]
6. Louisiana (January 26)[45]
7. Texas (February 1; referendum February 23)[46]
– Ft. Sumter (April 12) and Lincoln's call up (April 15)[47] –
-Corwin Amendment passes Senate (March 2)
8. Virginia (April 17; referendum May 23, 1861)[48]
9. Arkansas (May 6)[49]
10. Tennessee (May 7; referendum June 8)[50]
11. North Carolina (May 20)[51]

The fact that the South seceded in two distinct groups shows that there were at least two different causes to their secession. The first group was driven out by Lincolns election without a single Southern elector won, and the second group left the union in response to Lincoln's order to call up troops to invade the South.

Today's date is December 20th

 

[JimBowie1958]

A little Timeline for you, from the SC Convention forward:

December 20, 1860: South Carolina convention passes ordinance of secession.
December 24, 1860: Mississippi Senator Jefferson Davis introduces a "compromise" proposal which would effectively make slavery a national institution.
December 26, 1860: Major Anderson moves Federal garrison in Charleston, SC, from Fort Moultrie to Fort Sumter.
January 3, 1861: Georgia seizes Fort Pulaski. <---NOTE: THEY SEIZED THE FORT BEFORE THEY SECEDED.
January 4, 1861: Alabama seizes U.S. arsenal at Mount Vernon. <---NOTE: THEY SEIZED THE FORT BEFORE THEY SECEDED.
January 5, 1861: Alabama seizes Forts Morgan and Gaines. <---NOTE: THEY SEIZED THE FORT BEFORE THEY SECEDED.
January 6, 1861: Florida seizes Apalachicola arsenal. <---NOTE: THEY SEIZED THE ARSENAL BEFORE THEY SECEDED.
January 7, 1861: Florida seizes Fort Marion. <---NOTE: THEY SEIZED THE FORT BEFORE THEY SECEDED.
January 8, 1861: Floridians try to seize Fort Barrancas but are chased off.
January 9, 1861: Mississippi secedes.

Star of the West fired on in Charleston Harbor <-- FIRING ON A SHIP - A CLEAR ACT OF WAR
THE STEAMSHIP "MARION." SEIZED BY THE STATE OF SOUTH CAROLINA TO BE CONVERTED INTO A MAN-OF-WAR.
January 10, 1861: Florida secedes.

Louisiana seizes U.S. arsenal at Baton Rouge, as well as Forts Jackson and St. Philip.
January 11, 1861: Alabama secedes.

Louisiana seizes U.S. Marine Hospital.
January 14, 1861: Louisiana seizes Fort Pike. <---NOTE: THEY SEIZED THE FORT BEFORE THEY SECEDED.
January 19, 1861: Georgia secedes.
January 26, 1861: Louisiana secedes.
January 28, 1861: Tennessee Resolutions in favor of Crittenden Compromise offered in Congress.
February 1, 1861: Texas secedes.
February 8, 1861: Provisional Constitution of the Confederacy adopted in Montgomery, AL.

Arkansas seizes U.S. Arsenal at Little Rock.
February 12, 1861: Arkansas seizes U.S. ordnance stores at Napoleon.
February 18, 1861: Jefferson Davis inaugurated as President of the Confederacy.
March 4, 1861: Abraham Lincoln inaugurated as 16th President of the United States.
March 21, 1861: "Cornerstone speech" delivered by Alexander Stephens. (This is where the Confederate V President lays it out clearly: Slavery is the Cornerstone of the Confederacy.)

April 12, 1861: Fort Sumter fired upon by Confederates.
THE WAR OFFICIALLY BEGINS.

hey thanks, already posted, Day Late and Dollar Short.

 

[JimBowie1958]

The first shots were fired in January of 1861.

Buchanan was President and he was trying to resupply Sumter.


Click to enlarge

The South fired upon the Union Steamship Star of the West

They took another ship and seized it: "The Marion."

Then converted her to a Man of War ship.
THE STEAMSHIP "MARION." ; SEIZED BY THE STATE OF SOUTH CAROLINA TO BE CONVERTED INTO A MAN-OF-WAR.

Star of the West

Note the date on the Harpers Weekly newspaper: January, 1861, linked above.

Most states had seceded and War had already begun before the Corwin Amendment was passed.

So Virginia, Arkansas, Tennesee and North Carolina just don't count?

lol, when did you hysterians decide they weren't part of the Confederacy any more?

lololol

 

[paperview]

The first shots were fired in January of 1861.

Buchanan was President and he was trying to resupply Sumter.


Click to enlarge

The South fired upon the Union Steamship Star of the West

They took another ship and seized it: "The Marion."

Then converted her to a Man of War ship.
THE STEAMSHIP "MARION." ; SEIZED BY THE STATE OF SOUTH CAROLINA TO BE CONVERTED INTO A MAN-OF-WAR.

Star of the West

Note the date on the Harpers Weekly newspaper: January, 1861, linked above.

Most states had seceded and War had already begun before the Corwin Amendment was passed.

So Virginia, Arkansas, Tennesee and North Carolina just don't count?

lol, when did you hysterians decide they weren't part of the Confederacy any more?

lololol

Your post makes no sense.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

A little Timeline for you, from the SC Convention forward:

December 20, 1860: South Carolina convention passes ordinance of secession.
December 24, 1860: Mississippi Senator Jefferson Davis introduces a "compromise" proposal which would effectively make slavery a national institution.
December 26, 1860: Major Anderson moves Federal garrison in Charleston, SC, from Fort Moultrie to Fort Sumter.
January 3, 1861: Georgia seizes Fort Pulaski. <---NOTE: THEY SEIZED THE FORT BEFORE THEY SECEDED.
January 4, 1861: Alabama seizes U.S. arsenal at Mount Vernon. <---NOTE: THEY SEIZED THE FORT BEFORE THEY SECEDED.
January 5, 1861: Alabama seizes Forts Morgan and Gaines. <---NOTE: THEY SEIZED THE FORT BEFORE THEY SECEDED.
January 6, 1861: Florida seizes Apalachicola arsenal. <---NOTE: THEY SEIZED THE ARSENAL BEFORE THEY SECEDED.
January 7, 1861: Florida seizes Fort Marion. <---NOTE: THEY SEIZED THE FORT BEFORE THEY SECEDED.
January 8, 1861: Floridians try to seize Fort Barrancas but are chased off.
January 9, 1861: Mississippi secedes.

Star of the West fired on in Charleston Harbor <-- FIRING ON A SHIP - A CLEAR ACT OF WAR
THE STEAMSHIP "MARION." SEIZED BY THE STATE OF SOUTH CAROLINA TO BE CONVERTED INTO A MAN-OF-WAR.
January 10, 1861: Florida secedes.

Louisiana seizes U.S. arsenal at Baton Rouge, as well as Forts Jackson and St. Philip.
January 11, 1861: Alabama secedes.

Louisiana seizes U.S. Marine Hospital.
January 14, 1861: Louisiana seizes Fort Pike. <---NOTE: THEY SEIZED THE FORT BEFORE THEY SECEDED.
January 19, 1861: Georgia secedes.
January 26, 1861: Louisiana secedes.
January 28, 1861: Tennessee Resolutions in favor of Crittenden Compromise offered in Congress.
February 1, 1861: Texas secedes.
February 8, 1861: Provisional Constitution of the Confederacy adopted in Montgomery, AL.

Arkansas seizes U.S. Arsenal at Little Rock.
February 12, 1861: Arkansas seizes U.S. ordnance stores at Napoleon.
February 18, 1861: Jefferson Davis inaugurated as President of the Confederacy.
March 4, 1861: Abraham Lincoln inaugurated as 16th President of the United States.
March 21, 1861: "Cornerstone speech" delivered by Alexander Stephens. (This is where the Confederate V President lays it out clearly: Slavery is the Cornerstone of the Confederacy.)

April 12, 1861: Fort Sumter fired upon by Confederates.
THE WAR OFFICIALLY BEGINS.

Shall we also discuss the part you ran away from?
Blacks fighting for the south?
blacks fighting for the republic of Texas war with Mexico non slave holding country
Blacks fighting for the colonies war with England promised slaves they would be granted freedom if they fought for the crown

 

[JimBowie1958]

So the North had elected Lincoln all by their lonesome with not a single Southern electoral vote.

Seven states in the Deep South then seceded, finding the current union to not be of mutual interests as they believed that they had the right to do.

The federal Congress then passed a bunch of economic laws that took advantage of the absence of these Southern Congressmen, and also to offer an olive branch to the South that they would not ban slavery. - (It would seem the motivations of the northern Congressmen were revealed by what they first acted on when they had the chance, not what they finally did about three years later, but maybe the neoMarxists still know better than even the people involved themselves.)

Ft Sumter was fired upon in response to Lincoln having the new tariff enforced from that fort in Charleston harbor. Though the South had formally left the Union, the North still wanted to collect its tariffs. So the Southerners took over the fort.

Lincoln uses this incident as provocation to justify invading these Southern states, and in response four more seceded, Virginia, Tennessee, Arkansas and North Carolina.

But still somehow, it was ALL ABOUT SLAVERY?

roflmao

 

[JimBowie1958]

The first shots were fired in January of 1861.

Buchanan was President and he was trying to resupply Sumter.


Click to enlarge

The South fired upon the Union Steamship Star of the West

They took another ship and seized it: "The Marion."

Then converted her to a Man of War ship.
THE STEAMSHIP "MARION." ; SEIZED BY THE STATE OF SOUTH CAROLINA TO BE CONVERTED INTO A MAN-OF-WAR.

Star of the West

Note the date on the Harpers Weekly newspaper: January, 1861, linked above.

Most states had seceded and War had already begun before the Corwin Amendment was passed.

So Virginia, Arkansas, Tennesee and North Carolina just don't count?

lol, when did you hysterians decide they weren't part of the Confederacy any more?

lololol

Your post makes no sense.

Let me spoon feed you then.

You act as if what the cause of the war was is concluded with the secession of seven states and shots fired, but events still unfolded leading to four more states seceding as well and they left for DIFFERENT reasons than the first seven did.

You are trying to reduce the causes of the war to a bumper sticker slogan and it aint that simple, lady.