EPA To Alaskans In Sub-Zero Temps: Stop Burning Wood To Keep Warm

[Little-Acorn]

EPA To Alaskans In Sub-Zero Temps: Stop Burning Wood To Keep Warm


Works for me.

Burn EPA agents instead.

A win-win.

 

[NYcarbineer]

How is it then that you can still buy woodstoves in Fairbanks, Alaska?

The Woodway :: Heating

 

[westwall]

Global warming steals more money than any other lie on earth and kills more people through regulation that it will ever kill through any type of nonexistent man made climate change.

That's a bold statement, but I am sure you are now going to provide us all with links to the irrefutable proof, right?

Here you go. Chapter and verse. Don't say I never gave you nothin'!

http://www.un.org/en/development/desa/policy/wess/wess_current/2011wess.pdf

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

The stimulus bill added about 15-20 billion to infrastructure for about 2 years. Ever since that time about 6 years ago infrastructure funding have fallen to levels not seen in about 70 years.

It is a joke that you don't do any research of this subject. Sad.

Ohhhhhh, so let me get this straight, there was very little infrastructure is what you're telling me.....from a Democrat President? The hell you say!

Well it was sold to us based on all this infrastructure, and healthcare was sold to us that it would drop our insurance rates by about $2,500 per year per family and everybody would be insured. So I guess that didn't happen, and now you on the left want to complain about no infrastructure and healthcare.

Hopefully a lesson learned. Never listen to Democrat politicians. A Democrat politician can look into the eyes of Jesus and lie.

 

[ClosedCaption]

The OP says that is the only way humans in 2017 can not die.

why do our friends on the left and in the media insist on lying?

even when the truth would suit them better?

I said no such thing

I will say this now - the gub-mint should not be involved with telling us how to stay warm

No you're not saying they will freeze to death! You're just saying that burning stuff is the only way they can keep warm but you fail to say what happen's when people don't keep warm...i.e. they die.

Very clever. Or maybe you're saying when people don't keep warm nothing happens to them so no worries? lol...you're as see through as a windshield.

 

[Wyatt earp]

The stimulus bill added about 15-20 billion to infrastructure for about 2 years. Ever since that time about 6 years ago infrastructure funding have fallen to levels not seen in about 70 years.

It is a joke that you don't do any research of this subject. Sad.

Yeah we know cute signs..

 

[Wyatt earp]

The OP says that is the only way humans in 2017 can not die.

why do our friends on the left and in the media insist on lying?

even when the truth would suit them better?

I said no such thing

I will say this now - the gub-mint should not be involved with telling us how to stay warm

No you're not saying they will freeze to death! You're just saying that burning stuff is the only way they can keep warm but you fail to say what happen's when people don't keep warm...i.e. they die.

Very clever. Or maybe you're saying when people don't keep warm nothing happens to them so no worries? lol...you're as see through as a windshield.

They freeze and starve to death...




But hey look at the bright side at least they are paying for Obama care.



.

 

[dcbl]

Very clever. Or maybe you're saying when people don't keep warm nothing happens to them so no worries? lol...you're as see through as a windshield.

Just make sure your ass is at work for 5am getting the McMuffins ready

 

[jon_berzerk]

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/25/us/alaskans-cost-of-staying-warm-a-thick-coat-of-dirty-air.html

“It’s all one thing — when you most need the heat is when you’re most apt to create a serious air pollution problem for yourself and the people in your community,” said Tim Hamlin, the director of the office of air and waste at the E.P.A.’s Region 10, which includes Alaska.

And forces are now converging to heighten the tension in this seemingly unlikely pollution story. Civil fines by Fairbanks North Star Borough — which includes the cities of Fairbanks and North Pole, with a total population of about 100,000 — could be assessed in coming days against residential polluters. The E.P.A. could declare the entire area to be in “serious” noncompliance of the Clean Air Act early next year, with potentially huge economic implications, including a cutoff of federal transportation funds.

…

Residents are also trapped, he said, by economics. Natural gas, a much cleaner fuel source, is not widely available in this part of Alaska, and heating oil can be very expensive. Oil also produces particulate pollution, though less than wood. A study for the borough last year said residents here spent, on average, almost four times the national average in annual heating costs.

…

Mr. Hamlin, the E.P.A. official, said his agency was definitely not trying to take away anyone’s wood stove, or make life more expensive. But he said the Clean Air Act, passed by Congress in 1970, requires a standard of breathable air for all Americans. The E.P.A. was given the job of enforcing that standard.

“We don’t want to be telling people what to do, but the standard is what it is, and we want to work with you to be able to get there,” he said.

Makes you wonder how human kind survived for thousands of years without agencies like this.

Dumb fuck, about 100 years ago, average life span was like 45 years. Our modern medical system has about doubled that for those that take care of themselves. And, yes, government agencies like those in the other first world nations, do indeed, have a good deal to do with that. We lack those agencies, and, consequently,

life span was like 45 years


--LOL

more like 55

weird from 1916 til 1970

the expectancy has risen from 54 to 74 without the epa

whereas from 1971 til 1998 with the epa it only rose from 74 to 79


--LOL

 

[Wyatt earp]

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/25/us/alaskans-cost-of-staying-warm-a-thick-coat-of-dirty-air.html

“It’s all one thing — when you most need the heat is when you’re most apt to create a serious air pollution problem for yourself and the people in your community,” said Tim Hamlin, the director of the office of air and waste at the E.P.A.’s Region 10, which includes Alaska.

And forces are now converging to heighten the tension in this seemingly unlikely pollution story. Civil fines by Fairbanks North Star Borough — which includes the cities of Fairbanks and North Pole, with a total population of about 100,000 — could be assessed in coming days against residential polluters. The E.P.A. could declare the entire area to be in “serious” noncompliance of the Clean Air Act early next year, with potentially huge economic implications, including a cutoff of federal transportation funds.

…

Residents are also trapped, he said, by economics. Natural gas, a much cleaner fuel source, is not widely available in this part of Alaska, and heating oil can be very expensive. Oil also produces particulate pollution, though less than wood. A study for the borough last year said residents here spent, on average, almost four times the national average in annual heating costs.

…

Mr. Hamlin, the E.P.A. official, said his agency was definitely not trying to take away anyone’s wood stove, or make life more expensive. But he said the Clean Air Act, passed by Congress in 1970, requires a standard of breathable air for all Americans. The E.P.A. was given the job of enforcing that standard.

“We don’t want to be telling people what to do, but the standard is what it is, and we want to work with you to be able to get there,” he said.

Makes you wonder how human kind survived for thousands of years without agencies like this.

Dumb fuck, about 100 years ago, average life span was like 45 years. Our modern medical system has about doubled that for those that take care of themselves. And, yes, government agencies like those in the other first world nations, do indeed, have a good deal to do with that. We lack those agencies, and, consequently,

life span was like 45 years


--LOL

more like 55

weird from 1916 til 1970

the expectancy has risen from 54 to 74 without the epa

whereas from 1971 til 1998 with the epa it only rose from 74 to 79


--LOL

That's it only 5 years?


Interesting.

 

[jon_berzerk]

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/25/us/alaskans-cost-of-staying-warm-a-thick-coat-of-dirty-air.html

“It’s all one thing — when you most need the heat is when you’re most apt to create a serious air pollution problem for yourself and the people in your community,” said Tim Hamlin, the director of the office of air and waste at the E.P.A.’s Region 10, which includes Alaska.

And forces are now converging to heighten the tension in this seemingly unlikely pollution story. Civil fines by Fairbanks North Star Borough — which includes the cities of Fairbanks and North Pole, with a total population of about 100,000 — could be assessed in coming days against residential polluters. The E.P.A. could declare the entire area to be in “serious” noncompliance of the Clean Air Act early next year, with potentially huge economic implications, including a cutoff of federal transportation funds.

…

Residents are also trapped, he said, by economics. Natural gas, a much cleaner fuel source, is not widely available in this part of Alaska, and heating oil can be very expensive. Oil also produces particulate pollution, though less than wood. A study for the borough last year said residents here spent, on average, almost four times the national average in annual heating costs.

…

Mr. Hamlin, the E.P.A. official, said his agency was definitely not trying to take away anyone’s wood stove, or make life more expensive. But he said the Clean Air Act, passed by Congress in 1970, requires a standard of breathable air for all Americans. The E.P.A. was given the job of enforcing that standard.

“We don’t want to be telling people what to do, but the standard is what it is, and we want to work with you to be able to get there,” he said.

Makes you wonder how human kind survived for thousands of years without agencies like this.

Dumb fuck, about 100 years ago, average life span was like 45 years. Our modern medical system has about doubled that for those that take care of themselves. And, yes, government agencies like those in the other first world nations, do indeed, have a good deal to do with that. We lack those agencies, and, consequently,

life span was like 45 years


--LOL

more like 55

weird from 1916 til 1970

the expectancy has risen from 54 to 74 without the epa

whereas from 1971 til 1998 with the epa it only rose from 74 to 79


--LOL

That's it only 5 years?


Interesting.

it is interesting

wonder how many of their polices may have led to unnecessary deaths

 

[ClosedCaption]

The OP says that is the only way humans in 2017 can not die.

why do our friends on the left and in the media insist on lying?

even when the truth would suit them better?

I said no such thing

I will say this now - the gub-mint should not be involved with telling us how to stay warm

No you're not saying they will freeze to death! You're just saying that burning stuff is the only way they can keep warm but you fail to say what happen's when people don't keep warm...i.e. they die.

Very clever. Or maybe you're saying when people don't keep warm nothing happens to them so no worries? lol...you're as see through as a windshield.

They freeze and starve to death...




But hey look at the bright side at least they are paying for Obama care.



.

Hey dcbl never said outright that they would starve and freeze. He's just saying they will freeze and he doesn't know what happens when a person freezes.

 

[ClosedCaption]

Very clever. Or maybe you're saying when people don't keep warm nothing happens to them so no worries? lol...you're as see through as a windshield.

Just make sure your ass is at work for 5am getting the McMuffins ready

How would I do that without logs to burn?

 

[ScienceRocks]

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/25/us/alaskans-cost-of-staying-warm-a-thick-coat-of-dirty-air.html

“It’s all one thing — when you most need the heat is when you’re most apt to create a serious air pollution problem for yourself and the people in your community,” said Tim Hamlin, the director of the office of air and waste at the E.P.A.’s Region 10, which includes Alaska.

And forces are now converging to heighten the tension in this seemingly unlikely pollution story. Civil fines by Fairbanks North Star Borough — which includes the cities of Fairbanks and North Pole, with a total population of about 100,000 — could be assessed in coming days against residential polluters. The E.P.A. could declare the entire area to be in “serious” noncompliance of the Clean Air Act early next year, with potentially huge economic implications, including a cutoff of federal transportation funds.

…

Residents are also trapped, he said, by economics. Natural gas, a much cleaner fuel source, is not widely available in this part of Alaska, and heating oil can be very expensive. Oil also produces particulate pollution, though less than wood. A study for the borough last year said residents here spent, on average, almost four times the national average in annual heating costs.

…

Mr. Hamlin, the E.P.A. official, said his agency was definitely not trying to take away anyone’s wood stove, or make life more expensive. But he said the Clean Air Act, passed by Congress in 1970, requires a standard of breathable air for all Americans. The E.P.A. was given the job of enforcing that standard.

“We don’t want to be telling people what to do, but the standard is what it is, and we want to work with you to be able to get there,” he said.

Makes you wonder how human kind survived for thousands of years without agencies like this.

Dumb fuck, about 100 years ago, average life span was like 45 years. Our modern medical system has about doubled that for those that take care of themselves. And, yes, government agencies like those in the other first world nations, do indeed, have a good deal to do with that. We lack those agencies, and, consequently,

life span was like 45 years


--LOL

more like 55

weird from 1916 til 1970

the expectancy has risen from 54 to 74 without the epa

whereas from 1971 til 1998 with the epa it only rose from 74 to 79


--LOL

Nearly all the increases from 1916 through 1970 because of science.

 

[Rustic]

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/25/us/alaskans-cost-of-staying-warm-a-thick-coat-of-dirty-air.html

“It’s all one thing — when you most need the heat is when you’re most apt to create a serious air pollution problem for yourself and the people in your community,” said Tim Hamlin, the director of the office of air and waste at the E.P.A.’s Region 10, which includes Alaska.

And forces are now converging to heighten the tension in this seemingly unlikely pollution story. Civil fines by Fairbanks North Star Borough — which includes the cities of Fairbanks and North Pole, with a total population of about 100,000 — could be assessed in coming days against residential polluters. The E.P.A. could declare the entire area to be in “serious” noncompliance of the Clean Air Act early next year, with potentially huge economic implications, including a cutoff of federal transportation funds.

…

Residents are also trapped, he said, by economics. Natural gas, a much cleaner fuel source, is not widely available in this part of Alaska, and heating oil can be very expensive. Oil also produces particulate pollution, though less than wood. A study for the borough last year said residents here spent, on average, almost four times the national average in annual heating costs.

…

Mr. Hamlin, the E.P.A. official, said his agency was definitely not trying to take away anyone’s wood stove, or make life more expensive. But he said the Clean Air Act, passed by Congress in 1970, requires a standard of breathable air for all Americans. The E.P.A. was given the job of enforcing that standard.

“We don’t want to be telling people what to do, but the standard is what it is, and we want to work with you to be able to get there,” he said.

Makes you wonder how human kind survived for thousands of years without agencies like this.

Dumb fuck, about 100 years ago, average life span was like 45 years. Our modern medical system has about doubled that for those that take care of themselves. And, yes, government agencies like those in the other first world nations, do indeed, have a good deal to do with that. We lack those agencies, and, consequently,

life span was like 45 years


--LOL

more like 55

weird from 1916 til 1970

the expectancy has risen from 54 to 74 without the epa

whereas from 1971 til 1998 with the epa it only rose from 74 to 79


--LOL

Nearly all the increases from 1916 through 1970 because of science.

Man-made global warming = fake news

 

[Clementine]

Dew ewe walk or drive? Ewe notice climate warmers never walk.

Many drive a Prius. And those are not really all that environment-friendly considering all the electricity used. But, they still pretend to be superior. I want to see Al Gore on a bicycle and living in a small house before I'll believe a word he says.

The same thing with ethanol. Since we started to burn up our food supply for energy, our grocery bills have sky rocketed. Funny thing is that ethanol is more of a pollutant than gasoline. But what the hell, it makes liberals feel good.

I refuse to put ethanol in my truck. It's crap and the few cents you might save per gallon won't begin to cover the repair bills at the auto shop.

Even after they knew that ethanol was just as big of a pollutant and hard on vehicles, they refused to stop pushing it. And they don't care that it raises food prices. Nothing good came of it except money for the farmers who grow the corn. Like every other failed idea, they won't ever scrap it and go back to the drawing board.

The left's ideas usually cause financial hardships for the average person. We can't live without heat in winter but we go broke paying utility bills because they outlaw cheaper options. We have to have health insurance by law so we go broke paying high premiums and paying out of pocket all year due to high deductibles. We can't even water our gardens with rain water saved in barrels because it's illegal. Many states restrict water use on top of it. They would rather we pay high grocery store prices than grow our own food. Again, they are making it hard for us to choose a cheaper and healthier option. They are making it so people can't be self-sufficient.

 

[jon_berzerk]

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/25/us/alaskans-cost-of-staying-warm-a-thick-coat-of-dirty-air.html

“It’s all one thing — when you most need the heat is when you’re most apt to create a serious air pollution problem for yourself and the people in your community,” said Tim Hamlin, the director of the office of air and waste at the E.P.A.’s Region 10, which includes Alaska.

And forces are now converging to heighten the tension in this seemingly unlikely pollution story. Civil fines by Fairbanks North Star Borough — which includes the cities of Fairbanks and North Pole, with a total population of about 100,000 — could be assessed in coming days against residential polluters. The E.P.A. could declare the entire area to be in “serious” noncompliance of the Clean Air Act early next year, with potentially huge economic implications, including a cutoff of federal transportation funds.

…

Residents are also trapped, he said, by economics. Natural gas, a much cleaner fuel source, is not widely available in this part of Alaska, and heating oil can be very expensive. Oil also produces particulate pollution, though less than wood. A study for the borough last year said residents here spent, on average, almost four times the national average in annual heating costs.

…

Mr. Hamlin, the E.P.A. official, said his agency was definitely not trying to take away anyone’s wood stove, or make life more expensive. But he said the Clean Air Act, passed by Congress in 1970, requires a standard of breathable air for all Americans. The E.P.A. was given the job of enforcing that standard.

“We don’t want to be telling people what to do, but the standard is what it is, and we want to work with you to be able to get there,” he said.

Makes you wonder how human kind survived for thousands of years without agencies like this.

Dumb fuck, about 100 years ago, average life span was like 45 years. Our modern medical system has about doubled that for those that take care of themselves. And, yes, government agencies like those in the other first world nations, do indeed, have a good deal to do with that. We lack those agencies, and, consequently,

life span was like 45 years


--LOL

more like 55

weird from 1916 til 1970

the expectancy has risen from 54 to 74 without the epa

whereas from 1971 til 1998 with the epa it only rose from 74 to 79


--LOL

Nearly all the increases from 1916 through 1970 because of science.

perhaps however we are discussing the epa

 

[EverCurious]

Luckily it's cloudy or we'd be well below zero again. (I faux shivered for effect, note blurry )

This is exactly why individual states need to decide what's best for their public. A ton of folks in this state are using heating oil, even a bunch in the bigger cities. Like I'm on a well and septic (which I prefer, my water is awesome) In the bush they don't get a choice because there's no connection to any grids (and sometimes not even a road in)

That said, I have fires all the time, my wood stove can heat the whole house (and has regularly when we loose power - longest stretch was 11 days a few years back.) The shitty part is no flushy toilets, though in the winter we can just use snow to flush - as well as for cooking and drinking.

I'm not sure how the EPA got that there was pollution out there though, we ditched our IM's like three, maybe four years ago (in Anchorage) because our air quality had surpassed the recommendations every year for like decades...

 

[jon_berzerk]

Dew ewe walk or drive? Ewe notice climate warmers never walk.

Many drive a Prius. And those are not really all that environment-friendly considering all the electricity used. But, they still pretend to be superior. I want to see Al Gore on a bicycle and living in a small house before I'll believe a word he says.

The same thing with ethanol. Since we started to burn up our food supply for energy, our grocery bills have sky rocketed. Funny thing is that ethanol is more of a pollutant than gasoline. But what the hell, it makes liberals feel good.

I refuse to put ethanol in my truck. It's crap and the few cents you might save per gallon won't begin to cover the repair bills at the auto shop.

Even after they knew that ethanol was just as big of a pollutant and hard on vehicles, they refuse to stop pushing it. And they don't care that it raises food prices. Nothing good came of it except money for the farmers who grow the corn. Like every other failed idea, they won't ever scrap it and go back to the drawing board.

i avoid ethanol as well

i dont care for the crappy gas mileage

also harder to start in the winter

 

[jon_berzerk]

Luckily it's cloudy or we'd be well below zero again. (I faux shivered for effect, note blurry )

This is exactly why individual states need to decide what's best for their public. A ton of folks in this state are using heating oil, even a bunch in the bigger cities. Like I'm on a well and septic (which I prefer, my waters awesome) In the bush they don't get a choice because there's no connect (and sometimes not even a road in)

That said, I have fires all the time, my wood stove can heat the whole house (and has regularly when we loose power - longest stretch was 11 days a few years back.) The shitty part is no flushy toilets, though in the winter we can just use snow to flush - as well as for cooking and drinking.

I'm not sure how the EPA got that there was pollution out there though, we ditched our IM's like three, maybe four years ago (in Anchorage) because our air quality had surpassed the recommendations every year for like decades...

awhile back the administration wanted to ban all home wood burning stoves and such back in 2014