Entire class of new nay ships unfit for combat, must run away and can't shoot effectively.

[rightwinger]

if this doesn't speak to why we need Trump....the LCS ships...brand spanking new.......are unfit for combat duty and don't have the armaments necessary to attack the enemy.....on top of that they are costing 2x what they were projected to cost.....

ANd they named one after Gabby Gifford..........Obama can't leave soon enough...

Navy Accepts Delivery of 'Not Combat Survivable' USS Gabrielle Giffords

Unfortunately, for the 16th American warship named for a woman and the rest of the class, the LCS program is becoming a symbol of Pentagon mismanagement, along with the new $13 billion carrier USS Gerald R. Ford that some naval experts recommend scrapping rather than fixing and the troubled F-35 fighter jet.

Unlike many Coast Guard cutters, the LCS is meant to be deployed to trouble spots, like the four warships destined for Singapore in 2018. Another difference is that many cutters are armed with the MK-75 76mm deck guns with a maximum range of more than 20 miles; the deck guns fitted to the LCS have a maximum range of ten miles.

“The Navy’s own requirements show that the only — the only thing the Navy expects, if it’s hit by one of those kinds of threats, is for it to be able to exit the battle area and or provide for an orderly abandon ship,” said J. Michael Gilmore, the Pentagon’s director of Operational Test and Evaluation in sworn testimony December 1 in front of the Senate Armed Services Committee.

“A hit on one of these ships is going to be a real problem–if you can keep it out of harm’s way? OK,” he said.


Because of the ship’s speed and small size, it could avoid combat and find a place to hide from the hostilities, he said.

Gilmore told the committee, “In Total Ship Survivability trials that we did, the crews did their best, but in almost every incidence, there was major damage to the ship and the combat capability was fully lost, and in some instances the ship would have been lost.”

“These ships will still be faster than any other combatant or warship that we have today,” said Sean J. Stackley, the assistant secretary of the Navy for research, development and acquisition, who testified with Gilmore and Vice Adm. Thomas S. Rowden, the commander of the Pacific Fleet’s surface warfare assets.

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The littoral program began in 2007 with the plan of 55 hulls at $220 million each. But, today the plan is for 40 hulls at $478 million each, according to the General Accounting Office’s December 8 report “Slowing Planned Frigate Acquisition Would Enable Better-Informed Decisions.” The GAO priced the ships, which the Navy now calls “frigates” using 2010 dollars. Frigates are traditionally heavily armed warships, but smaller than “ships of the line” or destroyers.

Asshole wants to name the ship the USS Jared Lee Loughner after his second amendment loving buddy

And of course you are both a liar and just wrong......the Gifford's shooter was a criminal....and a supporter of Gifford's at the time of the shooting.......the only people who actively support criminals are democrats....I am a conservative.

What next 2aguy?

You hate Gabby Giffords......how about your hero Dylan Roof?

 

[Divine Wind]

Sell them to France.

Aren`t they one of the countries that told us not to go searching for wmds? We owe them an apology, not our crappy ships.

Fuck the French. They were more interested in acquiring cheap Iraqi oil than in stopping Saddam from researching WMDs.

 

[Divine Wind]

What next 2aguy?

You hate Gabby Giffords......how about your hero Dylan Roof?

It would be as inappropriate to name a Navy ship after Roof as Giffords, yes, even after executing him.

 

[Divine Wind]

At one time there were some right wing posters here who could make some valid and interesting points in academic and scholastic methods. Not so much anymore. You sure were never one of them. Anyone who needs to revert to blaming left wing or right wing as an argument point has no real argument.

I love irony.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

if this doesn't speak to why we need Trump....the LCS ships...brand spanking new.......are unfit for combat duty and don't have the armaments necessary to attack the enemy.....on top of that they are costing 2x what they were projected to cost.....

ANd they named one after Gabby Gifford..........Obama can't leave soon enough...

Navy Accepts Delivery of 'Not Combat Survivable' USS Gabrielle Giffords

Unfortunately, for the 16th American warship named for a woman and the rest of the class, the LCS program is becoming a symbol of Pentagon mismanagement, along with the new $13 billion carrier USS Gerald R. Ford that some naval experts recommend scrapping rather than fixing and the troubled F-35 fighter jet.

Unlike many Coast Guard cutters, the LCS is meant to be deployed to trouble spots, like the four warships destined for Singapore in 2018. Another difference is that many cutters are armed with the MK-75 76mm deck guns with a maximum range of more than 20 miles; the deck guns fitted to the LCS have a maximum range of ten miles.

“The Navy’s own requirements show that the only — the only thing the Navy expects, if it’s hit by one of those kinds of threats, is for it to be able to exit the battle area and or provide for an orderly abandon ship,” said J. Michael Gilmore, the Pentagon’s director of Operational Test and Evaluation in sworn testimony December 1 in front of the Senate Armed Services Committee.

“A hit on one of these ships is going to be a real problem–if you can keep it out of harm’s way? OK,” he said.


Because of the ship’s speed and small size, it could avoid combat and find a place to hide from the hostilities, he said.

Gilmore told the committee, “In Total Ship Survivability trials that we did, the crews did their best, but in almost every incidence, there was major damage to the ship and the combat capability was fully lost, and in some instances the ship would have been lost.”

“These ships will still be faster than any other combatant or warship that we have today,” said Sean J. Stackley, the assistant secretary of the Navy for research, development and acquisition, who testified with Gilmore and Vice Adm. Thomas S. Rowden, the commander of the Pacific Fleet’s surface warfare assets.

-------------

The littoral program began in 2007 with the plan of 55 hulls at $220 million each. But, today the plan is for 40 hulls at $478 million each, according to the General Accounting Office’s December 8 report “Slowing Planned Frigate Acquisition Would Enable Better-Informed Decisions.” The GAO priced the ships, which the Navy now calls “frigates” using 2010 dollars. Frigates are traditionally heavily armed warships, but smaller than “ships of the line” or destroyers.

Asshole wants to name the ship the USS Jared Lee Loughner after his second amendment loving buddy

And of course you are both a liar and just wrong......the Gifford's shooter was a criminal....and a supporter of Gifford's at the time of the shooting.......the only people who actively support criminals are democrats....I am a conservative.

What next 2aguy?

You hate Gabby Giffords......how about your hero Dylan Roof?

Recognizing that the ship, Gabby Giffords was built to be deficient does not mean that Gabby Giffords, the woman, is hated. Nor does anything pertain to Dylan Roof.

This is why democrats are a regional party.

 

[rightwinger]

if this doesn't speak to why we need Trump....the LCS ships...brand spanking new.......are unfit for combat duty and don't have the armaments necessary to attack the enemy.....on top of that they are costing 2x what they were projected to cost.....

ANd they named one after Gabby Gifford..........Obama can't leave soon enough...

Navy Accepts Delivery of 'Not Combat Survivable' USS Gabrielle Giffords

Unfortunately, for the 16th American warship named for a woman and the rest of the class, the LCS program is becoming a symbol of Pentagon mismanagement, along with the new $13 billion carrier USS Gerald R. Ford that some naval experts recommend scrapping rather than fixing and the troubled F-35 fighter jet.

Unlike many Coast Guard cutters, the LCS is meant to be deployed to trouble spots, like the four warships destined for Singapore in 2018. Another difference is that many cutters are armed with the MK-75 76mm deck guns with a maximum range of more than 20 miles; the deck guns fitted to the LCS have a maximum range of ten miles.

“The Navy’s own requirements show that the only — the only thing the Navy expects, if it’s hit by one of those kinds of threats, is for it to be able to exit the battle area and or provide for an orderly abandon ship,” said J. Michael Gilmore, the Pentagon’s director of Operational Test and Evaluation in sworn testimony December 1 in front of the Senate Armed Services Committee.

“A hit on one of these ships is going to be a real problem–if you can keep it out of harm’s way? OK,” he said.


Because of the ship’s speed and small size, it could avoid combat and find a place to hide from the hostilities, he said.

Gilmore told the committee, “In Total Ship Survivability trials that we did, the crews did their best, but in almost every incidence, there was major damage to the ship and the combat capability was fully lost, and in some instances the ship would have been lost.”

“These ships will still be faster than any other combatant or warship that we have today,” said Sean J. Stackley, the assistant secretary of the Navy for research, development and acquisition, who testified with Gilmore and Vice Adm. Thomas S. Rowden, the commander of the Pacific Fleet’s surface warfare assets.

-------------

The littoral program began in 2007 with the plan of 55 hulls at $220 million each. But, today the plan is for 40 hulls at $478 million each, according to the General Accounting Office’s December 8 report “Slowing Planned Frigate Acquisition Would Enable Better-Informed Decisions.” The GAO priced the ships, which the Navy now calls “frigates” using 2010 dollars. Frigates are traditionally heavily armed warships, but smaller than “ships of the line” or destroyers.

Asshole wants to name the ship the USS Jared Lee Loughner after his second amendment loving buddy

And of course you are both a liar and just wrong......the Gifford's shooter was a criminal....and a supporter of Gifford's at the time of the shooting.......the only people who actively support criminals are democrats....I am a conservative.

What next 2aguy?

You hate Gabby Giffords......how about your hero Dylan Roof?

Recognizing that the ship, Gabby Giffords was built to be deficient does not mean that Gabby Giffords, the woman, is hated. Nor does anything pertain to Dylan Roof.

This is why democrats are a regional party.

Republicans hate Gabby Giffords because she did not want to see anyone else go through what she did

When you get shot, suck it up and accept it

 

[Divine Wind]

Recognizing that the ship, Gabby Giffords was built to be deficient does not mean that Gabby Giffords, the woman, is hated. Nor does anything pertain to Dylan Roof.

This is why democrats are a regional party.

....and they hate the military. Sure, they're happy to use it when it suits them, then they shitcan those who served after that need abates.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

if this doesn't speak to why we need Trump....the LCS ships...brand spanking new.......are unfit for combat duty and don't have the armaments necessary to attack the enemy.....on top of that they are costing 2x what they were projected to cost.....

ANd they named one after Gabby Gifford..........Obama can't leave soon enough...

Navy Accepts Delivery of 'Not Combat Survivable' USS Gabrielle Giffords

Unfortunately, for the 16th American warship named for a woman and the rest of the class, the LCS program is becoming a symbol of Pentagon mismanagement, along with the new $13 billion carrier USS Gerald R. Ford that some naval experts recommend scrapping rather than fixing and the troubled F-35 fighter jet.

Unlike many Coast Guard cutters, the LCS is meant to be deployed to trouble spots, like the four warships destined for Singapore in 2018. Another difference is that many cutters are armed with the MK-75 76mm deck guns with a maximum range of more than 20 miles; the deck guns fitted to the LCS have a maximum range of ten miles.

“The Navy’s own requirements show that the only — the only thing the Navy expects, if it’s hit by one of those kinds of threats, is for it to be able to exit the battle area and or provide for an orderly abandon ship,” said J. Michael Gilmore, the Pentagon’s director of Operational Test and Evaluation in sworn testimony December 1 in front of the Senate Armed Services Committee.

“A hit on one of these ships is going to be a real problem–if you can keep it out of harm’s way? OK,” he said.


Because of the ship’s speed and small size, it could avoid combat and find a place to hide from the hostilities, he said.

Gilmore told the committee, “In Total Ship Survivability trials that we did, the crews did their best, but in almost every incidence, there was major damage to the ship and the combat capability was fully lost, and in some instances the ship would have been lost.”

“These ships will still be faster than any other combatant or warship that we have today,” said Sean J. Stackley, the assistant secretary of the Navy for research, development and acquisition, who testified with Gilmore and Vice Adm. Thomas S. Rowden, the commander of the Pacific Fleet’s surface warfare assets.

-------------

The littoral program began in 2007 with the plan of 55 hulls at $220 million each. But, today the plan is for 40 hulls at $478 million each, according to the General Accounting Office’s December 8 report “Slowing Planned Frigate Acquisition Would Enable Better-Informed Decisions.” The GAO priced the ships, which the Navy now calls “frigates” using 2010 dollars. Frigates are traditionally heavily armed warships, but smaller than “ships of the line” or destroyers.

Asshole wants to name the ship the USS Jared Lee Loughner after his second amendment loving buddy

And of course you are both a liar and just wrong......the Gifford's shooter was a criminal....and a supporter of Gifford's at the time of the shooting.......the only people who actively support criminals are democrats....I am a conservative.

What next 2aguy?

You hate Gabby Giffords......how about your hero Dylan Roof?

Recognizing that the ship, Gabby Giffords was built to be deficient does not mean that Gabby Giffords, the woman, is hated. Nor does anything pertain to Dylan Roof.

This is why democrats are a regional party.

Republicans hate Gabby Giffords because she did not want to see anyone else go through what she did

When you get shot, suck it up and accept it

No one hates Gabby Giffords. She is a misguided victim. Her injury, no matter how bad, is not sufficient to deprive someone else of their rights.

 

[Divine Wind]

Republicans hate Gabby Giffords because she did not want to see anyone else go through what she did

When you get shot, suck it up and accept it

Wrong, as usual. First, she's not hated. Second, Republicans are against broad legislation that punishes the innocent and chips away at the Constitution simply because of the act of a single madman. Why not focus on helping nutjobs like Loughner get the help they need? Would you have been happier if he drove a truck into the crowd like terrorists are doing in strict gun-controlled nations?

 

[danielpalos]

if this doesn't speak to why we need Trump....the LCS ships...brand spanking new.......are unfit for combat duty and don't have the armaments necessary to attack the enemy.....on top of that they are costing 2x what they were projected to cost.....

ANd they named one after Gabby Gifford..........Obama can't leave soon enough...

Navy Accepts Delivery of 'Not Combat Survivable' USS Gabrielle Giffords

Unfortunately, for the 16th American warship named for a woman and the rest of the class, the LCS program is becoming a symbol of Pentagon mismanagement, along with the new $13 billion carrier USS Gerald R. Ford that some naval experts recommend scrapping rather than fixing and the troubled F-35 fighter jet.

Unlike many Coast Guard cutters, the LCS is meant to be deployed to trouble spots, like the four warships destined for Singapore in 2018. Another difference is that many cutters are armed with the MK-75 76mm deck guns with a maximum range of more than 20 miles; the deck guns fitted to the LCS have a maximum range of ten miles.

“The Navy’s own requirements show that the only — the only thing the Navy expects, if it’s hit by one of those kinds of threats, is for it to be able to exit the battle area and or provide for an orderly abandon ship,” said J. Michael Gilmore, the Pentagon’s director of Operational Test and Evaluation in sworn testimony December 1 in front of the Senate Armed Services Committee.

“A hit on one of these ships is going to be a real problem–if you can keep it out of harm’s way? OK,” he said.


Because of the ship’s speed and small size, it could avoid combat and find a place to hide from the hostilities, he said.

Gilmore told the committee, “In Total Ship Survivability trials that we did, the crews did their best, but in almost every incidence, there was major damage to the ship and the combat capability was fully lost, and in some instances the ship would have been lost.”

“These ships will still be faster than any other combatant or warship that we have today,” said Sean J. Stackley, the assistant secretary of the Navy for research, development and acquisition, who testified with Gilmore and Vice Adm. Thomas S. Rowden, the commander of the Pacific Fleet’s surface warfare assets.

-------------

The littoral program began in 2007 with the plan of 55 hulls at $220 million each. But, today the plan is for 40 hulls at $478 million each, according to the General Accounting Office’s December 8 report “Slowing Planned Frigate Acquisition Would Enable Better-Informed Decisions.” The GAO priced the ships, which the Navy now calls “frigates” using 2010 dollars. Frigates are traditionally heavily armed warships, but smaller than “ships of the line” or destroyers.

A corvette class of brown water capable ships would be one concept.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The ships can run away just fine. They are Democrat ships.

Obama class ships

They were purposely designed that way long before Obama was even a Senator let alone President. They are basically an updated version of a Coast Guard Cutter that enables the Navy to use its own ships rather than Coast Guard ships for harbors ports, and coastal surveillance and protection.
You are falling for or simply promoting the Breitbart misinformation and spin.

Trumps wasn't even President and told Boeing the cost of AF1 was absurd so they adjusted

Easy to do Frank, Boeing just starts eliminating whistles and bells the same way a car salesman would do if you wanted a factory new car ordered. You can get a lower price, but say goodbye to a bunch of optional extras. Do you really need the back seat video drop down display or the all around heated seats?

That's the benefit in having a successful nyc real estate developer at the helm and not someone who tells the contractor, "whatever, use your judgement"

 

[danielpalos]

The ships can run away just fine. They are Democrat ships.

Obama class ships

They were purposely designed that way long before Obama was even a Senator let alone President. They are basically an updated version of a Coast Guard Cutter that enables the Navy to use its own ships rather than Coast Guard ships for harbors ports, and coastal surveillance and protection.
You are falling for or simply promoting the Breitbart misinformation and spin.

Trumps wasn't even President and told Boeing the cost of AF1 was absurd so they adjusted

Easy to do Frank, Boeing just starts eliminating whistles and bells the same way a car salesman would do if you wanted a factory new car ordered. You can get a lower price, but say goodbye to a bunch of optional extras. Do you really need the back seat video drop down display or the all around heated seats?

That's the benefit in having a successful nyc real estate developer at the helm and not someone who tells the contractor, "whatever, use your judgement"

is too much to ask contractors to do a good job for their contract bucks?

 

[rightwinger]

Asshole wants to name the ship the USS Jared Lee Loughner after his second amendment loving buddy

And of course you are both a liar and just wrong......the Gifford's shooter was a criminal....and a supporter of Gifford's at the time of the shooting.......the only people who actively support criminals are democrats....I am a conservative.

What next 2aguy?

You hate Gabby Giffords......how about your hero Dylan Roof?

Recognizing that the ship, Gabby Giffords was built to be deficient does not mean that Gabby Giffords, the woman, is hated. Nor does anything pertain to Dylan Roof.

This is why democrats are a regional party.

Republicans hate Gabby Giffords because she did not want to see anyone else go through what she did

When you get shot, suck it up and accept it

No one hates Gabby Giffords. She is a misguided victim. Her injury, no matter how bad, is not sufficient to deprive someone else of their rights.

Read the OP

Why else would someone object to a Congresswoman who took a bullet to the head serving her country having a ship named after her?

 

[rightwinger]

Republicans hate Gabby Giffords because she did not want to see anyone else go through what she did

When you get shot, suck it up and accept it

Wrong, as usual. First, she's not hated. Second, Republicans are against broad legislation that punishes the innocent and chips away at the Constitution simply because of the act of a single madman. Why not focus on helping nutjobs like Loughner get the help they need? Would you have been happier if he drove a truck into the crowd like terrorists are doing in strict gun-controlled nations?

Giffords supports legislation that would make it harder for nutjobs like Loughner to get guns

Republicans blocked it

 

[AmericanFirst1]

How in the hell is Obama at fault? Does he have a degree in engineering? Has he built war ships and planes before? All he can do is take the advice of the contractors and all the people in the military that do the decision making, many of which made these decisions... A LONG time ago before he was ever President.

He is the commander in chief. Everything under obuthole is a desaster, biggest disgrace of a POTUS ever.

 

[Divine Wind]

.....Why else would someone object to a Congresswoman who took a bullet to the head serving her country having a ship named after her?

Because naming ships after politicians, much less living politicians, is more about politics than military readiness and duty to our nation.

 

[Divine Wind]

Giffords supports legislation that would make it harder for nutjobs like Loughner to get guns

Republicans blocked it

Quote the legislation. $25 says it was a lot more than simply blocking nutjobs from getting guns.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

And of course you are both a liar and just wrong......the Gifford's shooter was a criminal....and a supporter of Gifford's at the time of the shooting.......the only people who actively support criminals are democrats....I am a conservative.

What next 2aguy?

You hate Gabby Giffords......how about your hero Dylan Roof?

Recognizing that the ship, Gabby Giffords was built to be deficient does not mean that Gabby Giffords, the woman, is hated. Nor does anything pertain to Dylan Roof.

This is why democrats are a regional party.

Republicans hate Gabby Giffords because she did not want to see anyone else go through what she did

When you get shot, suck it up and accept it

No one hates Gabby Giffords. She is a misguided victim. Her injury, no matter how bad, is not sufficient to deprive someone else of their rights.

Read the OP

Why else would someone object to a Congresswoman who took a bullet to the head serving her country having a ship named after her?

No one is objecting except that the ship is not serviceable. There is some question as to the appropriateness of naming naval vessels after victims. The idea of having a victim class of warships is ridiculous.

 

[rightwinger]

What next 2aguy?

You hate Gabby Giffords......how about your hero Dylan Roof?

Recognizing that the ship, Gabby Giffords was built to be deficient does not mean that Gabby Giffords, the woman, is hated. Nor does anything pertain to Dylan Roof.

This is why democrats are a regional party.

Republicans hate Gabby Giffords because she did not want to see anyone else go through what she did

When you get shot, suck it up and accept it

No one hates Gabby Giffords. She is a misguided victim. Her injury, no matter how bad, is not sufficient to deprive someone else of their rights.

Read the OP

Why else would someone object to a Congresswoman who took a bullet to the head serving her country having a ship named after her?

No one is objecting except that the ship is not serviceable. There is some question as to the appropriateness of naming naval vessels after victims. The idea of having a victim class of warships is ridiculous.

Do you really expect more from Breitbart?

They turn a piece supposedly about naval readiness into an attack on Gabby Giffords. Notice they did not complain about anyone else the ships were named after?

But Breitbart knows what buttons to push with conservatives

 

[rightwinger]

What next 2aguy?

You hate Gabby Giffords......how about your hero Dylan Roof?

Recognizing that the ship, Gabby Giffords was built to be deficient does not mean that Gabby Giffords, the woman, is hated. Nor does anything pertain to Dylan Roof.

This is why democrats are a regional party.

Republicans hate Gabby Giffords because she did not want to see anyone else go through what she did

When you get shot, suck it up and accept it

No one hates Gabby Giffords. She is a misguided victim. Her injury, no matter how bad, is not sufficient to deprive someone else of their rights.

Read the OP

Why else would someone object to a Congresswoman who took a bullet to the head serving her country having a ship named after her?

No one is objecting except that the ship is not serviceable. There is some question as to the appropriateness of naming naval vessels after victims. The idea of having a victim class of warships is ridiculous.

You mean like Abe Lincoln, JFK or Ron Reagan?