ENOUGH....Time for Gun Control....NOW

[Rustic]

The Second Amendment is all anyone needs for their "firearms license" in this country. As it should be.... Lol

I disagree. Americans have shown they are not mature enough to allow the 2nd to stand.

Really? 99.999 percent of the gun owners never commit a crime. There is a proven 8% of the criminal population that commits 80% of the violent crime. So you think it is correct to penalize 90 million people for the actions of less than 100,000? You're a fool.

He's a socialist, he can't help it...

 

[Wry Catcher]

LE is treated differently because before a deputy, officer or agent is issued a service weapon they are vetted by supervisors, management staff and completed a comprehensive background check, passed a series of written and verbal psychological assessments and during their probationary period work under the tutelage of an FTO - Field Training Officer.

They don't seem to do a very good job of it.

They don't? How do you figure, by the number of incidents on the News and TV? How many police officers, deputies, agents and security staff are at this moment armed and at work. What's you best guess? To cherry pick isolated events, the few data points in a mass of data points is at best silly.

 

[M14 Shooter]

They don't? How do you figure, by the number of incidents on the News and TV? How many police officers, deputies, agents and security staff are at this moment armed and at work. What's you best guess? To cherry pick isolated events, the few data points in a mass of data points is at best silly.

And yet, this is what you do when arguing for the necessity of stronger controls on guns.

 

[westwall]

What hyperbole? What part of the 2nd amendment says just because I live in a City a local government can infringe on my rights?

And while I can't get a "gravity" knife in NYC I can get a survival knife at the local Home Depot.

Again, I cannot legally get a handgun for just home use without waiting 3-6 months and paying $1000.

Why isn't that infringement, and why, just because I live in a city is that somehow constitutional.

But we all know your answer, because you claim to be a former LEO, so you know your butt buddies in government will always let you have a gun, and the rest of us get treated like second class citizens.

Asshole.

Temper, temper. LE is treated differently because before a deputy, officer or agent is issued a service weapon they are vetted by supervisors, management staff and completed a comprehensive background check, passed a series of written and verbal psychological assessments and during their probationary period work under the tutelage of an FTO - Field Training Officer. My guess Mr. Angry guy, you wouldn't pass the first test.

And yet there are still plenty of officers who misuse their firearms, either on or off duty, or have alcohol or drug issues, or domestic violence issues.

and the main purpose of having LEO's isn't that they are armed, it is they have the ability to arrest people without worrying if the person arrested is actually guilty, unlike a citizen who arrests someone, who can be held liable if it turns out the person arrested did not perform the act that led to the arrest.

You also didn't respond to my other statements, you gutless dime store hack.

Your ignorance is beyond belief.

In fact all of the background checks, psychological assessments, interviews and training do not produce a robot, human beings are complicated, and the job itself creates stresses which can affect one's judgment.

An detention is made based on probable cause, see:

Legal Dictionary - Law.com

I never said they were robots, you are the one saying they get more rights than I have because of their training. My point is that they are just as fallible as anyone else, and the fact that they get to keep a handgun in their home, off duty, no other questions asked is stupid when I, as a law abiding citizen with no criminal record do not get the same courtesy.

It's not about the detention, its about the liability. The whole concept of being able to arrest on probable cause is based on the immunity a LEO receives, by law, if a innocent person is arrested (as long as the cop follows procedures). If I were to make a citizens arrest, and it turns out I was in error, "probable cause" won't help me.

THAT is what separates LEO's from other citizens, not the ability to posses firearms, which should be available to any law abiding citizen, as granted by the constitution.

You don't know shit. A warrant for arrest is signed under penalty of perjury, a police report is signed by the officer, which includes witness statements and other evidence to support the detention. The actual arrest occurs at booking and is approved by a supervisor. In many situations the defendant may be cited and released, if in the officers opinion the crime is not on going, and when detained can be released on a promise to appear by the local detention (police station, for example) or the County Jail intake supervisor, also with a promise to appear.

He, if you want to pay for a battery of psychological assessments, provide detailed information on everywhere you've lived, and have all civil and criminal records sourced, civil judgments (ever been sued) and restraining orders, military records, credit reports, marital status and at least three references from non relatives, your high school records and several interviews including in some jurisdictions a polygraph, then qualify every 3-4 months be my guessed.

Yes they are, and cops perjur themselves all the time. I have actually listened to a scanner conversation between two Oakland PD cops (clearly they had no idea that regular people have them) asking for advice about "creative" report writing. Your continued defense of these twits is silly. We have ample evidence of their poor training and how that training leads to multiple violations of civil rights of their victims.

The majority of cops are good, hard working people. But their work is overshadowed by the criminal behavior of a very few. A few that you seem to protect.

 

[rcfieldz]

The story in the OP's title is old. School just started. How long will it take for some screwball kid to go off the rails with a loaded weapon?

 

[M14 Shooter]

The story in the OP's title is old. School just started. How long will it take for some screwball kid to go off the rails with a loaded weapon?

For those happy to use the blood of innocents to push their mindless agenda:
Not soon enough.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Temper, temper. LE is treated differently because before a deputy, officer or agent is issued a service weapon they are vetted by supervisors, management staff and completed a comprehensive background check, passed a series of written and verbal psychological assessments and during their probationary period work under the tutelage of an FTO - Field Training Officer. My guess Mr. Angry guy, you wouldn't pass the first test.

And yet there are still plenty of officers who misuse their firearms, either on or off duty, or have alcohol or drug issues, or domestic violence issues.

and the main purpose of having LEO's isn't that they are armed, it is they have the ability to arrest people without worrying if the person arrested is actually guilty, unlike a citizen who arrests someone, who can be held liable if it turns out the person arrested did not perform the act that led to the arrest.

You also didn't respond to my other statements, you gutless dime store hack.

Your ignorance is beyond belief.

In fact all of the background checks, psychological assessments, interviews and training do not produce a robot, human beings are complicated, and the job itself creates stresses which can affect one's judgment.

An detention is made based on probable cause, see:

Legal Dictionary - Law.com

I never said they were robots, you are the one saying they get more rights than I have because of their training. My point is that they are just as fallible as anyone else, and the fact that they get to keep a handgun in their home, off duty, no other questions asked is stupid when I, as a law abiding citizen with no criminal record do not get the same courtesy.

It's not about the detention, its about the liability. The whole concept of being able to arrest on probable cause is based on the immunity a LEO receives, by law, if a innocent person is arrested (as long as the cop follows procedures). If I were to make a citizens arrest, and it turns out I was in error, "probable cause" won't help me.

THAT is what separates LEO's from other citizens, not the ability to posses firearms, which should be available to any law abiding citizen, as granted by the constitution.

You don't know shit. A warrant for arrest is signed under penalty of perjury, a police report is signed by the officer, which includes witness statements and other evidence to support the detention. The actual arrest occurs at booking and is approved by a supervisor. In many situations the defendant may be cited and released, if in the officers opinion the crime is not on going, and when detained can be released on a promise to appear by the local detention (police station, for example) or the County Jail intake supervisor, also with a promise to appear.

He, if you want to pay for a battery of psychological assessments, provide detailed information on everywhere you've lived, and have all civil and criminal records sourced, civil judgments (ever been sued) and restraining orders, military records, credit reports, marital status and at least three references from non relatives, your high school records and several interviews including in some jurisdictions a polygraph, then qualify every 3-4 months be my guessed.

Yes they are, and cops perjur themselves all the time. I have actually listened to a scanner conversation between two Oakland PD cops (clearly they had no idea that regular people have them) asking for advice about "creative" report writing. Your continued defense of these twits is silly. We have ample evidence of their poor training and how that training leads to multiple violations of civil rights of their victims.

The majority of cops are good, hard working people. But their work is overshadowed by the criminal behavior of a very few. A few that you seem to protect.

Wrong. I spent two years as directed of IA, BTW the worst two years of my career. A LE officer on probation can be terminated without appeal while on probation and I sent three home without any explanation as to why. That was the hard part, I was trained to say simply, "not everyone is cut out for this job". Nothing more, to do so would have left my agency open to a failure to train suit.

I had no authority to fire permanent employees, but I investigated dozens of deputies for misconduct, one for being arrested for scalping tickets at a Raider Game, he lied about it, and that did him in; another challenged a local thug to a fight, they fought, the officer won and bragged about it. That did him in too. Others recieved lighter consquences, more training, days on the beach, unpaid, written reprimands or counseling letters.

I think most of you guys, anti cop, watch too much TV. I suggest you contact a local agency about a ride along, you might learn somethings.

 

[Wry Catcher]

I also think that M14 shooter and others like him are fools. They rely on a false premise, that "arms' control is prohibited by the 2nd A. Everyone knows that this is not true, but for those challenged by reality; their default position is every law and regulation enforced to control arms violates the 2nd A. Time and again they have been informed how this is not true, but no amount of reasoning will ever displace their fantasy that shall not be infringed has never been enforced.

 

[Dr Grump]

I'll do whatever the fuck I want, sheep

Same here, fuckwit....Your second sucks.

 

[Dr Grump]

There is no "America" without the second admendment... Lol

Of course there is. You dropped the Slavery and Prohibition amendments and you survived.

 

[Dr Grump]

There is a lot less crime were firearms outnumber people… Fact

Not down here.

 

[Dr Grump]

Control freak...

Gun freak.

 

[Dr Grump]

Where I live no one has ever seen an Escalade full of 'young negro men' driving around at two in the morning 'sightseeing'.
Where I live everyone owns legal rifles and handguns.
Where I live there is literally zero violent crimes committed.
There was once a drunk who used to beat his wife. They lived in our vicinity. He was warned a few times by his neighbors to stop. He didn't. One day he was never seen again. THAT's how 'rural justice' is carried out.
Where I live there are signs at the end of driveways that say: "COME GET SOME".
Using my 308 Norma Magnum I can vaporize a 'watermelon' from 100 yards down range.

Example 1 of US Cowboy culture...

 

[Dr Grump]

However, the right is an individual right, not limited only to the militia..

I disagree.

Then I'm am even more sure I'm correct. I am happy to be at odds with a totalitarian drone.

Why am I totalitarian drone? You are incorrect....why even mention the militia in the second if it's an individual right?

 

[Skull Pilot]

There is a lot less crime were firearms outnumber people… Fact

Not down here.

AUSTRALIA: MORE VIOLENT CRIME DESPITE GUN BAN

Even Australia's Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research acknowledges that the gun ban had no significant impact on the amount of gun-involved crime:

 

[Dr Grump]

so you are the one that gets the say? hahahahahahahaha

Forget the hundred of years of existence and the civil war. You said so, therefore, you all stfu? again,

Edit: Ahh and Ausie, no flippin wonder. you have your own issues your government and citizens can't control You should take care of your business first and leave us to ours.

I'm not an Aussie. And the day the US minds its own business is the day I leave this board.

 

[Dr Grump]

However, the right is an individual right, not limited only to the militia..

I disagree.

good for you. Now read the amendment.

I have. "A well regulated Individual, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Umm.....

 

[Dr Grump]

And I can tell you that we don't give a flying fuck of a rat's ass what some Aussie sheep thinks

Then stop engaging with me and fuck off. Pretty simple really.

well then stay out of US discussions. that seems even simpler.

No. your first says I can say the second sucks donkey balls.

 

[Dr Grump]

[
he's an aussie. what does he know about our laws? what a dufus.

Quite. More than some of you know about your own laws....

 

[Dr Grump]

Really? 99.999 percent of the gun owners never commit a crime. There is a proven 8% of the criminal population that commits 80% of the violent crime. So you think it is correct to penalize 90 million people for the actions of less than 100,000? You're a fool.

Not the point. You are now living in what is supposed to be a civilised society. Those of us that do know that the proliferation of firearms adds nothing to a civilised society. Countries that have the proliferation of firearms like the US have names like The Democratic Republic of Congo, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, Syria. You like that company?