Empirical Falsification Of the CAGW meme.

[Wuwei]

Like I said...just an idea till observations bear it out....funny how that works....you may be just making a lucky guess till such time as you can actually see what is going on....look to the past at the number of times the outcome of the experiment was predictable but they had the actual mechanism completely wrong.

Theoretical physics is based on observation first. If new predictions are made from theory, then new observations must be made to verify it. Amazing things were predicted from theoretical physics and found to be consistent with observation, curvature of light around heavy bodies, antimatter, entanglement, and many fundamental particles in accelerators.

 

[SSDD]

.you believe that the 6000C surface is heating the corona to a million degrees.

Nobody believes that. Energy still goes both ways.

So in this case, the "net" exchange results in the surroundings being orders of magnitude hotter than the emitter? Try again.

 

[SSDD]

Arguing against your own fantasies has what to do with me?

That is a trollish remark that ignores the point.

The point is that you are arguing against things I never said.....typical of you guys.

 

[SSDD]

Can't bring yourself to admit to reality...the answer is no...you can not show any actual measured evidence of two way energy flow...is that so difficult?

One way energy flow seriously violates several laws of physics and QM. But you are ignorant of QM so my argument is moot to you.

Do tell...which laws of physics does the 2nd law of thermodynamics violate?

There are none. But one way energy flow violates the fact that all accelerating charges must radiate.

So you just made up an answer.....got it. And the number of times you have been dead wrong on the basics, it seems that is normal for you.

No. That answer was discovered over a hundred years ago.

You claimed that two way energy flow violated more than one law of physics...it doesn't...so again, you just made up something to say.....typical.

 

[Wuwei]

Yeah...that's how energy movement works...warm to cool. Evaporation happens when the water molecule has absorbed enough energy for a phase change from water to vapor...then when that vapor is carried high enough in the atmosphere, it freezes into crystals and in doing so releases exactly the same amount of energy that was required to cause it to evaporate...that energy radiates on out into space.

Cold water exposed to still warm air would have to emit molecules of H₂O into the warm surrounding air in order for evaporation to happen.

 

[SSDD]

Like I said...just an idea till observations bear it out....funny how that works....you may be just making a lucky guess till such time as you can actually see what is going on....look to the past at the number of times the outcome of the experiment was predictable but they had the actual mechanism completely wrong.

Theoretical physics is based on observation first. If new predictions are made from theory, then new observations must be made to verify it. Amazing things were predicted from theoretical physics and found to be consistent with observation, curvature of light around heavy bodies, antimatter, entanglement, and many fundamental particles in accelerators.

Being consistent with observation does not mean that you understand the mechanism which causes it.

 

[Wuwei]

The point is that you are arguing against things I never said.....typical of you guys.

You don't understand similes do you.

 

[SSDD]

Yeah...that's how energy movement works...warm to cool. Evaporation happens when the water molecule has absorbed enough energy for a phase change from water to vapor...then when that vapor is carried high enough in the atmosphere, it freezes into crystals and in doing so releases exactly the same amount of energy that was required to cause it to evaporate...that energy radiates on out into space.

Cold water exposed to still warm air would have to emit molecules of H₂O into the warm surrounding air in order for evaporation to happen.

You have missed the absorbing enough energy to facilitate phase change....the phase change doesn't always happen at the same temperature...again...fail on the basics.

 

[Wuwei]

Being consistent with observation does not mean that you understand the mechanism which causes it.

We are talking about the prediction power of physical theory.

 

[SSDD]

The point is that you are arguing against things I never said.....typical of you guys.

You don't understand similes do you.

You think you being wrong is funny? I think it is sad.

 

[Wuwei]

You have missed the absorbing enough energy to facilitate phase change....the phase change doesn't always happen at the same temperature...again...fail on the basics.

It is still cold moving to warm.

 

[SSDD]

Being consistent with observation does not mean that you understand the mechanism which causes it.

We are talking about the prediction power of physical theory.

But the mechanism happens in reality...and being able to predict what will happen does not mean that you understand what is happening in reality...

 

[Wuwei]

You think you being wrong is funny? I think it is sad.

Funny? Look up the word simile. Be sure to get the spelling right.

 

[SSDD]

You have missed the absorbing enough energy to facilitate phase change....the phase change doesn't always happen at the same temperature...again...fail on the basics.

It is still cold moving to warm.

If it is absorbing and retaining energy it is becoming warm...and it doesn't evaporate till such time as it is warmer than the air....you really don't get any of this do you? Ever see fog coming off warm water when the air is cool" You think the evaporated water is colder than the air?

 

[Wuwei]

But the mechanism happens in reality...and being able to predict what will happen does not mean that you understand what is happening in reality.

Reality? Physics models reality. I don't understand your problem with it.

 

[SSDD]

You think you being wrong is funny? I think it is sad.

Funny? Look up the word simile. Be sure to get the spelling right.

So you think some how comparing two entirely different things...what I said vs what you are arguing against somehow will result in you being right" Never going to happen...

 

[Wuwei]

If it is absorbing and retaining energy it is becoming warm...and it doesn't evaporate till such time as it is warmer than the air....you really don't get any of this do you? Ever see fog coming off warm water when the air is cool" You think the evaporated water is colder than the air?

? You are the one who has a bizarre idea of what thermodynamics actually is. You don't understand the real science of SLoT.

 

[Wuwei]

So you think some how comparing two entirely different things...what I said vs what you are arguing against somehow will result in you being right" Never going to happen...

Similes are never "right" they are just similar examples.

 

[SSDD]

But the mechanism happens in reality...and being able to predict what will happen does not mean that you understand what is happening in reality.

Reality? Physics models reality. I don't understand your problem with it.

What is happening in reality is the result of some mechanism....that is what this is all about...the mechanisms...and again, being able to predict an outcome doesn't mean that you have even the slightest grasp of the mechanism.

 

[Wuwei]

What is happening in reality is the result of some mechanism....that is what this is all about...the mechanisms...and again, being able to predict an outcome doesn't mean that you have even the slightest grasp of the mechanism.

Just because you don't understand the mechanism doesn't mean science doesn't either.