Elon Running Cover for the Chinese Communist Party

[Moonglow]

Time for the gov't to stop funding green energy corporations. Well done, Moonglow.

the way wealthy people get free monies from the government is a crime.

 

[debbiedowner]

Well, by the count if all the pubs would have voted yes and then throw in the 2 dems that voted yes that is 219 and it sure would have passed. You can't blame anyone except for the number of pubs that voted no plus the other pubs with did not vote.

 

[debbiedowner]

Of course, a shutdown will be MAGAs fault. They had already agreed to the bipartisan bill, but at the last minute, President Musk told them no.

They don't understand that when the congress is controlled by president musk and his bride trump telling them what to do. Funny how those puppets in congress listens to someone not in office yet. They're all pussies.

 

[Unkotare]

Feel free to provide any evidence to the contrary, Dr.Deretardo

"Prove" a negative? You're better than that. The election is over.

 

[progressive hunter]

Of course, a shutdown will be MAGAs fault. They had already agreed to the bipartisan bill, but at the last minute, President Musk told them no.

the bill that was voted on had everything the dems wanted and they still refused to vote for it,,

this shut down is all on the dems,,

 

[progressive hunter]

So, what you're saying if 100% of the republicans plus the 2 Dems it would have not passed? You cannot blame this 100% on dems when 35 or 37 pubs voted against the CR.

what I am saying is the bill contained nothing the dems opposed and they still didnt vote for it,,

 

[progressive hunter]

Well, by the count if all the pubs would have voted yes and then throw in the 2 dems that voted yes that is 219 and it sure would have passed. You can't blame anyone except for the number of pubs that voted no plus the other pubs with did not vote.

not gonna work,,

this shutdown is all on the dems,,

 

[DonGlock26]

the way wealthy people get free monies from the government is a crime.

Cut all the green energy companies off. Let the market place decide their fate. You are on to something.

 

[DonGlock26]

The 2005 Energy Policy Act mandated it.

We can shit can that. Power to the People!!

 

[Moonglow]

Cut all the green energy companies off. Let the market place decide their fate. You are on to something.

Gotta change the energy policy plans.

 

[DonGlock26]

Gotta change the energy policy plans.

Sounds good. Let green energy sink or swim on its own.

 

[Moonglow]

not gonna work,,

this shutdown is all on the dems,,

It's really both parties to include Elon and his patsy Trump

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

How much money has the US government given to Tesla?


The US government has given Tesla billions of dollars in subsidies, grants, tax credits, and contracts, including:

• Subsidies: Tesla has received $2.8 billion in state and federal subsidies since 2008.
  
  
• Grants and tax credits: Tesla has received billions of dollars in grants and tax credits.
  
  
• Contracts: Tesla has received $41.9 million in federal contracts since 2008, including contracts with the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, NASA, and the Department of Defense.
  
  
• Loans: The Department of Energy issued a $465 million loan to Tesla in 2010 to help develop a manufacturing facility and produce all-electric vehicles.
  
  
• Regulatory credits: Tesla has sold almost $9 billion in regulatory credits since 2018. These credits are awarded to manufacturers who surpass emissions rules and can be sold to other carmakers.

Tesla has benefited from government assistance because of its role in moving the US toward cleaner cars.

The US government has given Tesla billions of dollars in subsidies, grants, tax credits,

Show your math.

and contracts, including:

Contracts? Why would you include contracts with "subsidies, grants, tax credits"?
SpaceX put us back into orbit. We had to buy space on Russian launchers under Obama.

Tesla has received $2.8 billion in state and federal subsidies since 2008.

State, not federal.

Loans: The Department of Energy issued a $465 million loan to Tesla in 2010 to help develop a manufacturing facility and produce all-electric vehicles.

The loan was repaid.

Regulatory credits: Tesla has sold almost $9 billion in regulatory credits since 2018. These credits are awarded to manufacturers who surpass emissions rules and can be sold to other carmakers.

Green credits are bad? LOL!
Kill them already.

 

[BULLDOG]

Yeah, Musk hated it, Trump hated it, the GOP hated it, and virtually every conservative in existence hated it. The question is, why dont democrats hate it? What the ******* hell is wrong with democrats and their pathological need to spend money that we dont have?

Wrong, MAGAs had input in it and worked for months to work out a deal that both sides could deal with. Everything was open. There were no secrets during the negotiations. At the last minute, and on orders of President Musk, MAGAs rejected the previously agreed on bill and tried to foist a purely partisan bill with no Democratic input. Why should Democrats do anything to help them pass the new bill?

 

[progressive hunter]

Wrong, MAGAs had input in it and worked for months to work out a deal that both sides could deal with. Everything was open. There were no secrets during the negotiations. At the last minute, and on orders of President Musk, MAGAs rejected the previously agreed on bill and tried to foist a purely partisan bill with no Democratic input. Why should Democrats do anything to help them pass the new bill?

the bill that was voted on had nothing the dems disagreed with,, so why did they vote against it??

 

[BULLDOG]

They had already agreed to the bipartisan bill,

They? How many in "they"?

Not sure, but it included a representative group from both parties. The republican Speaker of the House was certainly involved in working out the deal and was happy with it.

 

[BULLDOG]

the bill that was voted on had everything the dems wanted and they still refused to vote for it,,

this shut down is all on the dems,,

No.

 

[progressive hunter]

No.

yes it is,,

the vote count proves it,,

 

[Godboy]

Wrong, MAGAs had input in it and worked for months to work out a deal that both sides could deal with. Everything was open. There were no secrets during the negotiations. At the last minute, and on orders of President Musk, MAGAs rejected the previously agreed on bill and tried to foist a purely partisan bill with no Democratic input. Why should Democrats do anything to help them pass the new bill?

If they were "MAGAs", they wouldnt have made this bloated deal in the first place. ALL the MAGAs oppose this bill, which is why it was thrown in the trash.

The moment it was released, it was instant mutiny because, they surprised everyone with this hoseshit. It WAS a secret. Thats the problem. Its always a ******* secret until the day before they are forced to vote on it. Not one person who votes for these bills has actually read it. Why arent you furious over that?

 

[BULLDOG]

yes it is,,

the vote count proves it,,

That election didn't prove anything like what you wish it did.