Elementary school shooting

[Quantum Windbag]

ERGO has just created a false derivative analogy below.

As a society, we have made harsh changes to combat the effects of Drunk Driving. Later ages when you can legally drink, harsher punishments against drunk drivers, penalties against those who serve alchohol

Why can't we do the same for guns?

Yes, but we don't collectively punish everybody (the responsible drinkers) by denying their access to alcohol because of the irresponsible drinkers do we. It's dealt with on a case by case basis.

Actually, he just pointed it out.

 

[Nosmo King]

Your argument is ridiculous and not too realistic. Nobody has been caught using flame throwers, mortar shells or RPG's against other people within the U.S. if criminals have semi-auto military assault rifles, like the Bushmaster .223 or any other military semi-auto's, I want to be able to stop them with a military assault rifle. I would want to at least match their force. When criminals start using flame throwers, a good rifle will stop them. When criminals start using Mortars and RPG's, which isn't likely to happen, then yes I would like to be able to DEFEND myself with a matched force.


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So, by your logic, if the problem is big guns, you want a big gun too rather than eliminate the big gun from the start. And you call my point ridiculous.

You're not going to eliminate the big gun from start, we're long past that. Criminal's aren't going to surrender their assault rifles because you make them illegal, Plus...A lot of criminals obtain their weapons in the black underground market. There's underground machine shops that make guns, modify guns and make bullets.

The world would be a safer place if all countries got rid of their nuclear, chemical and biological weapons. How likely is that to happen? The reason they maintain them is for defensive/offensive purposes.

The solution is simple, but the political will is weak. Gun makers hold too many legislators in their back pockets. The NRA threatens congressmen with the same zeal Grover Norquist does. Gun owners are painfully myopic and the paranoid alway believe that there is either a criminal at their door or an official ready to confiscate their toys and ruin their day.

Here's the solution: Only bolt action rifles, shot guns and revolvers will be legal to keep. All other guns and accessories are to be turned in for a voucher providing a tax credit for any such equipment. After the turn in period has expired, any guns found will be confiscated and the owner shall be imprisoned for a period of no less than three years. If crimes are committed with such guns, the term is life without parole.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

I was referring to the second sentence.

Are you trying to deny that the left wants to categorically deny people the right to carry a weapon?

There are some on the left that want that for sure...I'm sure there will be some on the right as well.
The sensible discussion though is not about total disarming.

I reject the blanket statement

But the left wants us all unarmed so the armed bad guys and loons can wreck havoc in even more places.

As a matter of interest, why is the gun debate perceived as a left/right debate?
If you are Democrat do you have to reject guns with the opposite being true if you're a Republican?

It isn't, it is seen as a freedom/oppression type argument.

 

[Nosmo King]

i can build a flame thrower in any garage with rudimentary tools, denying me the right to buy one only comforts idiots.

the literalist reveals a shallow mind. The point is (and follow closely if you can) there are weapons designed for military use. The design mandate is the ability to kill as many people in as short a period of time as possible. Such weapons are fitted out with semi or fully automatic firing systems or a semi automatic firing system modified to act as fully automatic. They are also equipped with high capacity magazines to sustain that ghastly rate of fire. Such weapons have no legitimate civilian use and should never be in the hands of civilians.

Steps have been taken to keep some military weapons out of civilian hands. My position is the ban is incomplete. All military weapons must be out of civilian hands.

Now, pick some fly shit out of that ground pepper, or bring logic.

the point is that weapons designed for infantry use tend to be lighter and less deadly than those designed for civilian use. Yet, for some reason that escapes me, you think we should get rid of these types of weapons and use only hunting weapons.

Can't find enough logic in that to pick an electron out of, much less fly shit.

rate of fire

 

[Quantum Windbag]

So, by your logic, if the problem is big guns, you want a big gun too rather than eliminate the big gun from the start. And you call my point ridiculous.

You're not going to eliminate the big gun from start, we're long past that. Criminal's aren't going to surrender their assault rifles because you make them illegal, Plus...A lot of criminals obtain their weapons in the black underground market. There's underground machine shops that make guns, modify guns and make bullets.

The world would be a safer place if all countries got rid of their nuclear, chemical and biological weapons. How likely is that to happen? The reason they maintain them is for defensive/offensive purposes.

The solution is simple, but the political will is weak. Gun makers hold too many legislators in their back pockets. The NRA threatens congressmen with the same zeal Grover Norquist does. Gun owners are painfully myopic and the paranoid alway believe that there is either a criminal at their door or an official ready to confiscate their toys and ruin their day.

Here's the solution: Only bolt action rifles, shot guns and revolvers will be legal to keep. All other guns and accessories are to be turned in for a voucher providing a tax credit for any such equipment. After the turn in period has expired, any guns found will be confiscated and the owner shall be imprisoned for a period of no less than three years. If crimes are committed with such guns, the term is life without parole.

Ever watch old TV westerns?

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[Quantum Windbag]

the literalist reveals a shallow mind. The point is (and follow closely if you can) there are weapons designed for military use. The design mandate is the ability to kill as many people in as short a period of time as possible. Such weapons are fitted out with semi or fully automatic firing systems or a semi automatic firing system modified to act as fully automatic. They are also equipped with high capacity magazines to sustain that ghastly rate of fire. Such weapons have no legitimate civilian use and should never be in the hands of civilians.

Steps have been taken to keep some military weapons out of civilian hands. My position is the ban is incomplete. All military weapons must be out of civilian hands.

Now, pick some fly shit out of that ground pepper, or bring logic.

the point is that weapons designed for infantry use tend to be lighter and less deadly than those designed for civilian use. Yet, for some reason that escapes me, you think we should get rid of these types of weapons and use only hunting weapons.

Can't find enough logic in that to pick an electron out of, much less fly shit.

rate of fire

Like the old bolt action M1903?

rate of fire is a function of the person using the weapon, not the weapon.

 

[jtpr312]

A typicAlly ham handed and poorly rationalized deflection if ever one was posted. The clear argument of a narrow, and shallow mind. Wring your hands in despair because after the lust and depravity of the assault gun orgy, the bill is due. It's been tallies in the blood of the innocent to pay for the adolescent lust of moron for gun.

The Rambo fantasies of hillbillies, red necks, paranoids and mouth breathers is coming to a tragic close. Hopefully the result will be subtraction of the word "mass" from the phrase "mass shooting".

Incredible that there are people who can point to their warped and depraved hobby of lusting after military style weapons for their own bemusement as a "right" that trumps the rights of children to not be killed in their schools and churches.

How virulently selfish the gun nut is. Worrying more about not being able to waste ammunition shooting milk jugs while classrooms bleed. Can you say your gun ownership is that important? Take your paranoia and move away from our village. We cast thee out into the wilderness. Your poisoned morality has no more credibility here. Lives. Human lives are far more precious than your prurient affection for deadly weaponry. Be gone!

Wow, you have a way with words slick. All those pretty words just to say "I'm a brain dead idiot".

The brain dead idiots are the ones who have been worshiping at the altar of military style weaponry and finding any and all excuses for the tragedy such weapons inevitably bring. They lust after penis extensions and pasted on muscle mass by buying and demanding more potent guns than required by civilians. And when the tragedies happen, they point and say "It's the culture! The culture must be changed! Video games made these children dead! The gun, the glorious gun, isn't at fault! Just because it can fire 5 bullets per second."

Moloch! Military weapons in civilian hands makes the god Moloch on Earth! A seductive god that poisons the morals of the worshiper. A destructive god that leaves carnage in its wake. A jealous god that demands the hoodwinking of its acolytes making them believe that every other factor of modernity is to blame for the deaths it causes. Moloch!

The problem is people with guns that should be in the hands of well regulated militias. Guns awash on our city street bleaching homes with the blood of their victims.

Civilians require bolt action rifles for hunting and other recreational sport shooting. They don't need to spray bullets like a Taliban fighter. Civilians need revolvers for self defense, not a gun capable of erasing scores of people without reloading.

I got it bud, you're a brain dead moron. You must also be a politician or a lawyer because it takes you 216 words to say, "I'm a brain dead idiot".

 

[saveliberty]

The solution is simple, but the political will is weak. Gun makers hold too many legislators in their back pockets. The NRA threatens congressmen with the same zeal Grover Norquist does. Gun owners are painfully myopic and the paranoid alway believe that there is either a criminal at their door or an official ready to confiscate their toys and ruin their day.

Here's the solution: Only bolt action rifles, shot guns and revolvers will be legal to keep. All other guns and accessories are to be turned in for a voucher providing a tax credit for any such equipment. After the turn in period has expired, any guns found will be confiscated and the owner shall be imprisoned for a period of no less than three years. If crimes are committed with such guns, the term is life without parole.

No you ignorant ass, the Constitution set this provision as a way to protect citizens from a tyrantical government. Placing citizen militias with bolt action guns against the military is insane. Thinking you are clever enough to fool anyone with your gun control idea fools no one but yourself.

 

[saveliberty]

The long winded explanation is necessary to hide the obvious flaws in Nosmo King's argument. Shhh!

 

[Stephanie]

So, by your logic, if the problem is big guns, you want a big gun too rather than eliminate the big gun from the start. And you call my point ridiculous.

You're not going to eliminate the big gun from start, we're long past that. Criminal's aren't going to surrender their assault rifles because you make them illegal, Plus...A lot of criminals obtain their weapons in the black underground market. There's underground machine shops that make guns, modify guns and make bullets.

The world would be a safer place if all countries got rid of their nuclear, chemical and biological weapons. How likely is that to happen? The reason they maintain them is for defensive/offensive purposes.

The solution is simple, but the political will is weak. Gun makers hold too many legislators in their back pockets. The NRA threatens congressmen with the same zeal Grover Norquist does. Gun owners are painfully myopic and the paranoid alway believe that there is either a criminal at their door or an official ready to confiscate their toys and ruin their day.

Here's the solution: Only bolt action rifles, shot guns and revolvers will be legal to keep. All other guns and accessories are to be turned in for a voucher providing a tax credit for any such equipment. After the turn in period has expired, any guns found will be confiscated and the owner shall be imprisoned for a period of no less than three years. If crimes are committed with such guns, the term is life without parole.

wow, you all don't even TREAT a murderer that harsh...and you're talking about stepping on INNOCENT people's SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHTS...you would look good in a brown shirt

 

[saveliberty]

A criminal wants a gun regardless of consequences for two reasons:

1. They are more likely to get what they want with the show of force.
2. They can defend themselves should the property owner be armed or police arrive.

 

[JakeStarkey]

We are talking about massacres at our schools, you fukwits.

Show some respect and leave off the false analogies and the irrational comments.

Change is coming, and you will be bound by it. Tru dat.

 

[Stephanie]

We are talking about massacres at our schools, you fukwits.

Show some respect and leave off the false analogies and the irrational comments.

Change is coming, and you will be bound by it. Tru dat.

ah sorry dear, it veered away from that a long time ago in this thread..you should go take your meds

 

[JakeStarkey]

Dear, you don't understand. Some of you on the far right crazee gun crowed are going to go over the law, be caged either in a coffin or in a super max, and 90% of America will go "ho hum" and never think of those who do again.

 

[Stephanie]

Dear, you don't understand. Some of you on the far right crazee gun crowed are going to go over the law, be caged either in a coffin or in a super max, and 90% of America will go "ho hum" and never think of those who do again.

meds dear...and you should be telling the gang bangers, the mobsters, your gun tooten politicians that first, then come back and tell us legal gun owning citizens

 

[LoneLaugher]

Dear, you don't understand. Some of you on the far right crazee gun crowed are going to go over the law, be caged either in a coffin or in a super max, and 90% of America will go "ho hum" and never think of those who do again.

meds dear...and you should be telling the gang bangers, the mobsters, your gun tooten politicians that first, then come back and tell us legal gun owning citizens

As I have pointed out to you, you are not part of any "us". The less intelligent nutters give you some of their attention because if you leave, they won't be able to say that they are not the least important person here.

 

[koshergrl]

^^uh huh.

 

[LoneLaugher]

^^uh huh.

You are mildly intelligent. But you're also batshit crazy.

 

[Nosmo King]

The solution is simple, but the political will is weak. Gun makers hold too many legislators in their back pockets. The NRA threatens congressmen with the same zeal Grover Norquist does. Gun owners are painfully myopic and the paranoid alway believe that there is either a criminal at their door or an official ready to confiscate their toys and ruin their day.

Here's the solution: Only bolt action rifles, shot guns and revolvers will be legal to keep. All other guns and accessories are to be turned in for a voucher providing a tax credit for any such equipment. After the turn in period has expired, any guns found will be confiscated and the owner shall be imprisoned for a period of no less than three years. If crimes are committed with such guns, the term is life without parole.

No you ignorant ass, the Constitution set this provision as a way to protect citizens from a tyrantical government. Placing citizen militias with bolt action guns against the military is insane. Thinking you are clever enough to fool anyone with your gun control idea fools no one but yourself.

Oh! Tyranny! Tyranny is the threat! Not the insane armed with military assault weapons but tyranny! And you believe the forces arrayed by the federal government can be dissuaded by a bunch of paranoid reactionaries and mouth breathing 'survivalists' with AR-15's slung across their shoulders. What did you call my position again? Insane? Are you the paradigm of sanity we should sacrifice our children to while you combat tyranny?

Your wannabe revolution is your own pipe dream. Something you talk about over cigarettes in the trailer park. Here in real America, we're pretty satisfied, except for all the idiots who think they should have assault weapons, and then wind up shooting up a school or temple or shopping mall. The real tyranny is the selfishness gun nuts have shown when they are faced with the ghastly consequences of their peculiar lust for high powered weapons. The tyranny such nuts show is their unwillingness to believe that their little hobby can lead to deadly outcomes. So they make us suffer and throw up incredulous smokescreens about "tyranny".

 

[Nosmo King]

The long winded explanation is necessary to hide the obvious flaws in Nosmo King's argument. Shhh!

We gladly suffer the inarticulate.