Electoral College: Make Hillary Clinton President on December 19

[RetiredGySgt]

since when did LAND get the right to VOTE?

One man, one vote, every individual man's vote should count equally to the next man's vote....how much LAND around you should not matter, at all.... LAND is not a citizen.

I do not want to live in a Country where the Big Cities are the only ones that matter in an election.

 

[ptbw forever]

Interesting thought, it did however happen back when Andrew Jackson ran against John Adams. I believe Kentucky which had overwhelmingly supported Jackson voted for Adams. However, it was an electoral tie that threw it into the house.
If memory serves me correctly it was John Calhoon that sold out for political power.

Back when Kentucky was a big state....

 

[Toro]

We are calling on the Electors to ignore their states' votes and cast their ballots for Secretary Clinton."

Er, no.

 

[Boss]

yes, they can do it, and they are SUPPOSE to do it....that's what the constitution says and that's how hamilton and madison created electors to be.... make their own decision on who to vote for..... not even coordinating with other electors in their State, but an informed, individual, decision....not by party, not by popular vote but they alone were to make their own individual decision.

Then politics got involved, and electors figured out they could have more power if they colluded together on who to pick as their candidate...and it's been all downhill since then...

ONE MAN, ONE VOTE....every elected position in the USA is picked that way....governors, senators, congressmen, legislators, county clerk, sheriff, school board members etc....

except our President.... it's bull crud.

IF TRUMP had won the popular vote but Hillary won the electoral vote, Trump would be tweeting from the rafters, the election was rigged, the system is rigged....

when wisonsin gets 3 electors for 500k citizens, and california with 39 million citizens gets 55, then the citizens in their state's vote does not count equally with a citizen in Wisconsin....that's simply not right, not fair, not just. one man, one vote against another man's vote, should be equal

if calif had the same proportion of electors as wisconsin citizens get, california would have 195 electors, not the 55....

it's stupid and highly unfair.

So you'll be okay with deciding issues like trannies in bathrooms, gay marriage and abortion by popular vote? Because, that's precisely what you are advocating... a pure democracy.

The reason for the Electoral College is not because people's popular vote couldn't be counted back in 1776... that's just stupid. It was to ensure individual liberties would be protected from factionalism or collectivism. In a system where only the popular vote mattered, you'd never see a presidential candidate in a state like Kansas or Iowa... their campaign and subsequent campaign message would be tailored for large population centers. The rest of the country could go screw themselves because their vote wouldn't really matter much.

It's fascinating that just under 2 weeks ago on the Sunday shows, the Democrat strategists were pointing to "Hillary's Firewall" ...the electoral vote tally she had in the bank with states like California and New York. At the time, they surmised Trump had no conceivable path to electoral victory because she only needed a handful of other states to win. I imagine had she managed to squeak out a win in the EC by a few votes, you wouldn't give a solitary shit about this. But because your gal lost, you're not a big fan.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Stupid nonsense. Sore losers.

Hillary got over 5 million less votes than Obama got in 2012. Blame those who voted for Obama, but not Hillary.

But still more votes than.... Trump and every other Republican presidential candidate other than Romney and Bush W. the second time.

Funny how four million people LESS turned out to vote in a country which has between 10 and 15 million more people. Trump and Hillary have been a big turn off, and the system has shown it's clearly flawed.

 

[frigidweirdo]

We are calling on the Electors to ignore their states' votes and cast their ballots for Secretary Clinton."

Er, no.

Why? The Republicans are cheering that the system is rigged now, why not rig it a little more? They seem to like rigged elections.

 

[Siete]

the RW goobers are so hungry for a conspiracy they need a bib to soak up the drool... whats it been, three days ?

 

[owebo]

the RW goobers are so hungry for a conspiracy they need a bib to soak up the drool... whats it been, three days ?

You fascists are so predictable.....

 

[rahtruelies]

"On December 19, the Electors of the Electoral College will cast their ballots. If they all vote the way their states voted, Donald Trump will win. However, they can vote for Hillary Clinton if they choose. Even in states where that is not allowed, their vote would still be counted, they would simply pay a small fine - which we can be sure Clinton supporters will be glad to pay!

We are calling on the Electors to ignore their states' votes and cast their ballots for Secretary Clinton."

Electoral College Electors: Electoral College Make Hillary Clinton President on December 19

More hypocrisy.

I expect that any Elector indulging in such an act would need to disappear immediately afterwards with a new identity. Still, HRC might be quietly told that not publicly condemning and disavowing these idiots IMMEDIATELY will make her situation even worse than it is when Trump's AG starts looking into the Foundation's criminal activities next year.

 

[emilynghiem]

Dear Care4all
We could change it where the winner has to get majority of BOTH electoral and popular votes.
Then we could face a runoff in December by ALL people not just Electors.
Wouldn't that be a media circus?
Would the media back this so they can make even more money off more hype that never ends?

Pissed off about the electoral college? How about we give each county one vote. I'm pretty sure the left would not be for that.

No Missouri_Mike
Where do you get that I am not RELIEVED that Trump won because of the Electoral System this time?

If a candidate has to win BOTH votes that INCLUDES the Electoral College, it doesn't reject it at ALL!!!

Are you trying to clarify that if there is a runoff, we should use the same system again?
And have ALL the people vote for just those two candidates,
and then use the Electoral system again for the runoff?

Okay, SURE! Whatever it takes to ensure the Winner wins
BOTH the Popular and Electoral Vote so we don't have this nonsense afterward.

Silly kids. Guess they don't teach civics in school these days. The only nonsense is being created by snowflakes pissed they didn't get their way. I'll send you a participation trophy.

Dear JBond
Don't you think it makes sense, that if you take the same logic of Electoral Votes across the nation
so more populous areas don't dictate for the less populous,
and Apply that to States so more populous counties don't dictate for the entire State,
that would be even more fair?
The States would still get their Electoral Votes by population,
but it could be further split by population by the same system!

but why is it fair to limit the worth of 1 man's vote who just happens to live in a city, and magnify 1 man's vote who lives in the suburbs or country? it makes no sense?

Dear Care4all: Imagine taking that same situation you described but multiplying by the population of America, then concentrating all the inflated votes in 5-7 cities of NYC or CA FL IL and TX. And leaving all the people with deflated votes everywhere else. That's even worse. Those 5 hotspot cities would not only get the campaign dollars, but all year round the parties and officials would cater to those populations to buy their favor. The media the businesses would flock and focus there.

So that's even worse. It's the same problem but multiplied by millions in the largest key cities vs the rest of the nation.

This way isn't perfect either as the candidates still cater to swing states with more votes. But it's more spread out over the nation and not just in the top 5-10 big cities or counties. Can you imagine what would happen if they were all in 2-3 states and those voters had their votes multiplied by thousands compared with others in 48 states competing to be heard next to those 2 states that were the key to winning?

Those blocs of votes are going to occur, but it's better to have them broken up into smaller ones spread out per state vs. a few really yuuuuge ones that dominate the whole nation.

 

[rahtruelies]

yes, they can do it, and they are SUPPOSE to do it....that's what the constitution says and that's how hamilton and madison created electors to be.... make their own decision on who to vote for..... not even coordinating with other electors in their State, but an informed, individual, decision....not by party, not by popular vote but they alone were to make their own individual decision.

Then politics got involved, and electors figured out they could have more power if they colluded together on who to pick as their candidate...and it's been all downhill since then...

ONE MAN, ONE VOTE....every elected position in the USA is picked that way....governors, senators, congressmen, legislators, county clerk, sheriff, school board members etc....

except our President.... it's bull crud.

IF TRUMP had won the popular vote but Hillary won the electoral vote, Trump would be tweeting from the rafters, the election was rigged, the system is rigged....

when wisonsin gets 3 electors for 500k citizens, and california with 39 million citizens gets 55, then the citizens in their state's vote does not count equally with a citizen in Wisconsin....that's simply not right, not fair, not just. one man, one vote against another man's vote, should be equal

if calif had the same proportion of electors as wisconsin citizens get, california would have 195 electors, not the 55....

it's stupid and highly unfair.

Dear Care4all
We could change it where the winner has to get majority of BOTH electoral and popular votes.
Then we could face a runoff in December by ALL people not just Electors.
Wouldn't that be a media circus?
Would the media back this so they can make even more money off more hype that never ends?

Truly, the electoral college serves no purpose now, we did not have a popular vote when it was created...and now we do vote....and like with all other elected positions, it should be our vote that counts in a national election imo.

YES, the EC serves a valuable purpose in that it to an extent negates the vast illegal alien vote fraud in Cali among other places.

 

[Norman]

Anti-democratic democrat regressives at it...

 

[JoeMoma]

"On December 19, the Electors of the Electoral College will cast their ballots. If they all vote the way their states voted, Donald Trump will win. However, they can vote for Hillary Clinton if they choose. Even in states where that is not allowed, their vote would still be counted, they would simply pay a small fine - which we can be sure Clinton supporters will be glad to pay!

We are calling on the Electors to ignore their states' votes and cast their ballots for Secretary Clinton."

Electoral College Electors: Electoral College Make Hillary Clinton President on December 19

More hypocrisy.

So if Clinton had won you would had been okay the electoral college voting for trump instead?

 

[Boss]

So if Clinton had won you would had been okay the electoral college voting for trump instead?

Wasn't it just a few weeks ago they were writhing in the streets over Trump "supposedly" saying he wouldn't support the outcome of the elections? Oh.... they were ******* having conniptions over that! The NERVE of the man to besmirch the peaceful transition of power that way! Many of their sycophants said that was IT for Trump... that doomed his chances right there!

Isn't it funny how quick they forgot all that?

 

[owebo]

So if Clinton had won you would had been okay the electoral college voting for trump instead?

Wasn't it just a few weeks ago they were writhing in the streets over Trump "supposedly" saying he wouldn't support the outcome of the elections? Oh.... they were ******* having conniptions over that! The NERVE of the man to besmirch the peaceful transition of power that way! Many of their sycophants said that was IT for Trump... that doomed his chances right there!

Isn't it funny how quick they forgot all that?

Just imagine if you fought for Trump......your thoughts ring hollow......

 

[Avatar4321]

That's not how this works. If you think to overturn the results of a legitimate election, you will have a rebellion on our hands. Clinton and Trump are not worth the loves of our fellow Americans.

Besides if we can survive Obama we can do anything

 

[Zoom-boing]

She had 59,755,284 votes, according to CNN's tally, with 92% of the expected vote counted. Trump had 59,535,522. That difference of 219,762 is razor-thin considering the nearly 120 million votes counted so far. The totals will continue to change as absentee votes trickle in.
It's a fascinating turn of events for Trump, who four years ago tweeted, "The electoral college is a disaster for a democracy," following Mitt Romney's loss in 2012.


How Gary Johnson and Jill Stein helped elect Donald Trump
If Clinton hangs on, she would become the first presidential candidate since Al Gore in 2000 to win the popular vote but lose the election. Trump, who clinched the nomination by securing 270 Electoral College votes, currently leads Clinton 290-228, though Michigan and New Hampshire have yet to be called.
Prior to Gore's defeat to George W. Bush in 2000, three other candidates -- Andrew Jackson, Samuel Tilden and Grover Cleveland, all in the 19th century -- had won the popular vote and lost the election.
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If Clinton won by 219,762 votes.
Zoom-boing is there a more clear map of where those came from,
or was the one I stole from another site clear enough?

Your map shows where "half" the population lives.
What about the "half" that voted for Clinton?
Is there a better map somewhere than the one I found?

So Trump thinks we're a democracy? Oh ffs. smh

 

[Zoom-boing]

So if Clinton had won you would had been okay the electoral college voting for trump instead?

Wasn't it just a few weeks ago they were writhing in the streets over Trump "supposedly" saying he wouldn't support the outcome of the elections? Oh.... they were ******* having conniptions over that! The NERVE of the man to besmirch the peaceful transition of power that way! Many of their sycophants said that was IT for Trump... that doomed his chances right there!

Isn't it funny how quick they forgot all that?

Just imagine if you fought for Trump......your thoughts ring hollow......

Pipe down. I didn't support Trump and am sitting here waiting to see what he does. You want a big tent? Stop bashing people who don't say 'how high' when you demand we 'jump'. smh

 

[Zoom-boing]

since when did LAND get the right to VOTE?

One man, one vote, every individual man's vote should count equally to the next man's vote....how much LAND around you should not matter, at all.... LAND is not a citizen.

wtf are you talking about? Land voting? what??

PLEASE watch this video to understand how the electoral college works. It ensures that smaller (less populated) states get a say/have a voice. If we had election via popular vote, the more populated cities/states would always choose who wins, and the less populated cities/states would have zero voice. Why the hell would you want that??



(how the **** do people not understand this???)

 

[owebo]

So if Clinton had won you would had been okay the electoral college voting for trump instead?

Wasn't it just a few weeks ago they were writhing in the streets over Trump "supposedly" saying he wouldn't support the outcome of the elections? Oh.... they were ******* having conniptions over that! The NERVE of the man to besmirch the peaceful transition of power that way! Many of their sycophants said that was IT for Trump... that doomed his chances right there!

Isn't it funny how quick they forgot all that?

Just imagine if you fought for Trump......your thoughts ring hollow......

Pipe down. I didn't support Trump and am sitting here waiting to see what he does. You want a big tent? Stop bashing people who don't say 'how high' when you demand we 'jump'. smh

We got it from here....thanks.....