Electoral College Breakdown

[JoeB131]

The way democrats dismiss the existence of traditional Americans.. is the reason why your going to get your ass kicked in 2020

Ward and June are a myth.

Traditional Americans are dumb-ass white trash who bend over for the rich. "I want to catch Covid! They made me wait 10 minutes in line for groceries!"

 

[JoeB131]

Biden is not winning Texas...

He could win Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Michigan and even Arizona but Texas is still off the table...

Is it? Beto O'Rourke got DAMNED CLOSE in the midterm to beating Ted Cruz. And that was in a GOOD economy. Texas is already taking a bit of an economic beating because the price of oil has bottomed out, there's a slow but steady increase in Hispanic voters.

Now, I did put Texas in my "Swinging for the fences" category... but if the economy goes far enough south, it's plausible.

 

[JoeB131]

THANK YOU! Good to see you finally acknowledging the fact failed former President Obama led the slowest recovery in modern history.

Well, no, the recovery from the Herbert Hoover Recession was slower than the recovery from the Dubya Bush Recession.

It's amazing, you guys fuck up the economy time after time, and then whine we aren't fixing it fast enough for you.

 

[JoeB131]

If the Electoral College gives an “unfair” advantage to Republicans, then it is only because Republicans, in line with the intent of the great men who set up this system, are paying attention to the needs of all Americans, and not just those living in a few small, densely-populated areas.

If the areas are "densely populated" they aren't small. The real question is, why are we giving Wyoming more clout in the EC than California? One person... One vote. This isn't a complicated idea and it's how we elect EVERY OTHER OFFICE in this country from Senator down to Dog Catcher.

Also, Mormon Bob, you need to be a little less short sighted. At some point, Hispanic Immigration/population growth is going to flip Arizona and Texas to the Blue column. Then it won't matter if you win the midwest or not.

If you take all the Hillary States, add on to them AZ and TX, you can win FL, NC, PA, WI, MI, IA and OH and STILL lose.

They recognized that under a pure popular-vote democracy, that government would be dominated by just the one group, and the needs of the others would be completely disregarded. That is exactly why they set up our bicameral legislature, the way they did, with the House to represent the people equally, and the Senate to represent the states equally, with the Electoral College set up to mirror this representation in electing the President.

Okay, once again, the Founding Slave Rapists didn't really trust the people and wanted the franchise to only be held by white, property-owning males. They didn't want the people electing senators. They didn't want black people voting at all and only counted them as 3/5th of a white person. They didn't want women to vote (what a crazy idea! THeir job is to fuck their man into the Celestial Heaven and Make Babies!)

The whole of our history is been to expand democracy, not detract from it.

Which only means that the Electoral College system is more important, now, than it originally was. Even more now than then, the situation has been set up where just a very small handful of densely-populated states would otherwise completely dominate the election, with the population of most of the country being, in effect, completely disenfranchised.

If this suggests any need for change, it would be to go, not in the direction of eliminating the Electoral College in favor of the popular vote, but in the opposite direction, of giving even greater voice to the less densely-populated areas relative to the more densely-populated areas.

Uh, no, Mormon Bob. The reality is the thinly populated areas are already taking the productive areas for a ride.

Blue states send more to Washington than they get back. Red states get more from Washington than they send. that's the end result of not letting the people decide these things.

 

[emilynghiem]

LMAO liberal denial ^^^. You people threw $1.2 billion in campaign war chest at Trump, enjoyed 90% pro Hillary free media coverage, hell you had 20% of the GOP rooting for Hillary and you still got your ass whooped bad. Good luck in 2020 with Biden

Trump lost by 3 million votes against an unlikeable candidate.

Now he's running against a LIKABLE candidate, and he's running a shitty economic record.

^ Dear JoeB131 although I do think Biden has a chance at beating Trump at his media trolling contest if he chooses either Harris or Obama to stir the pot, did it ever occur to you how the election would have changed that 3 million margin you cite had it been set up differently? That if you did announce that only popular votes will count, the whole Republican and Democratic party strategies would change to target the largest population cities and states. If you change the rules that much, announcing it as the policy will also change the results! You can't just assume the same results would still hold if the rules changed.
Mostly likely if rules change, this would affect entire campaign strategies and results.

 

[JoeB131]

^ Dear @JoeB131 although I do think Biden has a chance at beating Trump at his media trolling contest if he chooses either Harris or Obama to stir the pot, did it ever occur to you how the election would have changed that 3 million margin you cite had it been set up differently?

Yes, I honestly believe that if we had a sensible system of direct voting, instead of this anachronism set up by slave rapists who didn't trust the people, we'd have a very different result. Hillary would have listened to the doctors when they said that Covid-19 was a real threat.

That if you did announce that only popular votes will count, the whole Republican and Democratic party strategies would change to target the largest population cities and states.

If they did that, the Republicans wouldn't be what they are. The GOP has essentially developed a strategy of getting working class whites to vote against their own economic interests by playing on their racial, religious and sexual anxieties. IF we had actual democracy, where the votes of white men were counted proportionally, they would be forced to actually try to appeal to women and minorities.

Now, here's the thing. White people who vote Democratic have often made a conscious choice to be liberal. Minorities, less so. They don't necessarily vote for Democrats because they want to reduce their carbon footprints or support a woman's right to choose. They vote for them because they know Republicans are going to make life more difficult for them.

If you had direct democracy, Republicans would be forced to actually attempt to get minorities to vote for them. They actually DID seem to get it in 2004, when George W. Bush made good faith attempts to reach out, raising black support to 11% and Hispanic Support to 44%. He was also the only Republican to win the popular vote since his father in 1988.

Trump went in the opposite direction, alienating minorities and playing full out racism. It will probably take the GOP decades to undo the damage Trump has done.

 

[rightwinger]

What flaw in the system?
If there was a flaw it was the BULLSHIT MSM POLLS.
In November the UE rate won't be 10%

Actually, it will be 10% next month. And the one thing we know about the unemployment rate is that it takes a lot longer to go down than it does to go up. For instance, it went from 5% to 10% in less than a year and half, but it didn't go back down to 5% until 2015 or so.

THANK YOU! Good to see you finally acknowledging the fact failed former President Obama led the slowest recovery in modern history.

Slowest recovery that tripled the Stock Market and cut unemployment by five percent.

Slowest recovery that tripled the Stock Market.

8K to 20K isn't a triple.

Ain’t no slow recovery ...is it?
No President has had a bigger gain

Ain’t no slow recovery ...is it?

Weakest recovery since WWII.

No President has had a bigger gain

Incorrect.

How is tripling the stock market and dropping unemployment by over five percent “weak”??

 

[rightwinger]

LMAO liberal denial ^^^. You people threw $1.2 billion in campaign war chest at Trump, enjoyed 90% pro Hillary free media coverage, hell you had 20% of the GOP rooting for Hillary and you still got your ass whooped bad. Good luck in 2020 with Biden

Trump lost by 3 million votes against an unlikeable candidate.

Now he's running against a LIKABLE candidate, and he's running a shitty economic record.

^ Dear JoeB131 although I do think Biden has a chance at beating Trump at his media trolling contest if he chooses either Harris or Obama to stir the pot, did it ever occur to you how the election would have changed that 3 million margin you cite had it been set up differently? That if you did announce that only popular votes will count, the whole Republican and Democratic party strategies would change to target the largest population cities and states. If you change the rules that much, announcing it as the policy will also change the results! You can't just assume the same results would still hold if the rules changed.
Mostly likely if rules change, this would affect entire campaign strategies and results.

Cities and states don’t vote.
People do.

Political strategies would change to get the most people to vote for you.

 

[Markle]

We've been bombing "terrorists" for 40 years now. How is that working out for us again?

Yes, it's horrible. Obama gave Iran back the money we illegally stole from them. That bastard.

As you know, pretty well. Failed former President Barack Hussein Obama allowed ISIS to create a huge Caliphate in Iraq which he abandoned and Syria.

President Donald Trump has removed the entire Caliphate.

As you know too, the $150 BILLION we had frozen along with the $5.5 BILLION in pallets of cash was being held to pay compensation to the 52 American Hostages held by Iran for 444 days starting from November 4, 1979, to January 20, 1981. Iran has yet to pay compensation. It wasn't "their" money.

They were hostages in Iran for 444 days. Decades later, they're waiting for compensation

A 2015 bill set aside money to compensate Iran hostages, their spouses and children. But only a fraction of the money has come through.

www.latimes.com

 

[Markle]

Cities and states don’t vote.
People do.

Political strategies would change to get the most people to vote for you.

As you know, the states do vote for the President of the United States.

To restore balance, we should repeal the 17th Amendment. That was a major mistake.

 

[Markle]

Biden is not winning Texas...

He could win Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Michigan and even Arizona but Texas is still off the table...

Is it? Beto O'Rourke got DAMNED CLOSE in the midterm to beating Ted Cruz. And that was in a GOOD economy. Texas is already taking a bit of an economic beating because the price of oil has bottomed out, there's a slow but steady increase in Hispanic voters.

Now, I did put Texas in my "Swinging for the fences" category... but if the economy goes far enough south, it's plausible.

Yeah, Beto O'Rourke is quite a prize.

Here is what he had to say just a few days ago after President Donald Trump announced a temporary immigration ban.

Beto O'Rourke

✔@BetoORourke
https://twitter.com/BetoORourke/status/1252635545982963712
Replying to @BetoORourke

Who the fuck do you think is working on the farms and feed lots, in the packing houses and processing plants at a time where we are struggling to feed ourselves? Who is in the kitchen? Who is picking, preparing, serving the food we eat and cleaning up afterwards?
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12:29 PM - Apr 21, 2020

https://twitter.com/BetoORourke/status/1252635545982963712

Beto, you should come to the rest of flyover country. There are plenty of American-born citizens who work on farms. It's not an abnormal thing. Stop running with the idea that white people are against doing hard labor. It's not the case.

Beto Had a Total Meltdown Over Trump's Decision to Temporarily Halt Immigration

Facepalm.

townhall.com

Can you even imagine the outrage and cries of RACISM had it been President Trump who made that statement?

 

[HappyJoy]

Biden is not winning Texas...

He could win Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Michigan and even Arizona but Texas is still off the table...

Is it? Beto O'Rourke got DAMNED CLOSE in the midterm to beating Ted Cruz. And that was in a GOOD economy. Texas is already taking a bit of an economic beating because the price of oil has bottomed out, there's a slow but steady increase in Hispanic voters.

Now, I did put Texas in my "Swinging for the fences" category... but if the economy goes far enough south, it's plausible.

Yeah, Beto O'Rourke is quite a prize.

Here is what he had to say just a few days ago after President Donald Trump announced a temporary immigration ban.

Beto O'Rourke
✔@BetoORourke

Replying to @BetoORourke

Who the fuck do you think is working on the farms and feed lots, in the packing houses and processing plants at a time where we are struggling to feed ourselves? Who is in the kitchen? Who is picking, preparing, serving the food we eat and cleaning up afterwards?
Like this Tweet
12:29 PM - Apr 21, 2020

Beto, you should come to the rest of flyover country. There are plenty of American-born citizens who work on farms. It's not an abnormal thing. Stop running with the idea that white people are against doing hard labor. It's not the case.

Beto Had a Total Meltdown Over Trump's Decision to Temporarily Halt Immigration

Facepalm.

townhall.com

Can you even imagine the outrage and cries of RACISM had it been President Trump who made that statement?

Wow, bravo, amazing job of not replying to the argument another post is making and using as many useless words as possible in the process.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

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We've been bombing "terrorists" for 40 years now. How is that working out for us again?

Yes, it's horrible. Obama gave Iran back the money we illegally stole from them. That bastard.

Obama gave Iran back the money we illegally stole from them.

Are you saying we didn't give them back this money.....after they held our people hostage for 444 days?

Wow! We should thank Obama for ending our immoral act.

Thank goodness we had such a wise and noble leader.

And did I mention he was a weak and useless twat?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

What flaw in the system?
If there was a flaw it was the BULLSHIT MSM POLLS.
In November the UE rate won't be 10%

Actually, it will be 10% next month. And the one thing we know about the unemployment rate is that it takes a lot longer to go down than it does to go up. For instance, it went from 5% to 10% in less than a year and half, but it didn't go back down to 5% until 2015 or so.

THANK YOU! Good to see you finally acknowledging the fact failed former President Obama led the slowest recovery in modern history.

Slowest recovery that tripled the Stock Market and cut unemployment by five percent.

Slowest recovery that tripled the Stock Market.

8K to 20K isn't a triple.

Ain’t no slow recovery ...is it?
No President has had a bigger gain

Ain’t no slow recovery ...is it?

Weakest recovery since WWII.

No President has had a bigger gain

Incorrect.

How is tripling the stock market and dropping unemployment by over five percent “weak”??

How is tripling the stock market

He didn't.

and dropping unemployment by over five percent “weak”??

Don't be mad at me for pointing out Obama's weak economic performance.

Looks like 3.1%

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Oh, are we getting into Covid denial now? the guy who thinks he's wearing magic underwear thinks all the doctors are lying to "pad" the numbers in a big old conspiracy to, um, do what, exactly? You're getting into Dale Smith level of crazy here, bud.

They've been caught red-handed doing exactly that, counting as Coronavirus deaths, deaths that clearly had other causes unrelated to Coronavirus, but where the patient was either known or suspected to be infected with Coronavirus.

They're not even trying to hide it.

How Accurate Is the Coronavirus Death Toll?

At an April 7 news conference, Deborah Birx, MD, the response coordinator for the White House coronavirus task force, said, "There are other countries that if you had a pre-existing condition and let's say the virus caused you to go to the ICU and then have a heart or kidney problem -- some countries are recording that as a heart issue or a kidney issue and not a COVID-19 death. Right now ... if someone dies with COVID-19 we are counting that as a COVID-19 death."​

That articles go on to make a bunch of bullshit excuses for this blatant fraud, and to try to explain why it's not as blatantly deceitful as any sane person can see that it is.


I'm not going to go looking for them now, but there are credible reports coming out of people dying from causes where no rational connection can be made between the Coronavirus and their cause of death, such as deaths from automobile accidents, criminal acts, drug overdoses, and so on; that are being counted as Coronavirus deaths.


There's really no honest way to look at these reports, and conclude anything other than that the Coronavirus death counts are being deliberately and fraudulently overinflated.

And the political motive for doing so is quite obvious enough.

 

[Meathead]

Because America is still a country that bizarrely uses an 18th century anachronism to pick presidents, we have to look at the state by state races.

For sake of this argument, let's assume Biden will get all the states Hillary won for 232 Electoral votes. Let's also assume for the argument that no matter how awful the economy gets, Trump will still 19 safe states, for a total of 123.

That leaves us with the following states in play - WI, MI, PA, NC, AZ, FL, TX, IA, OH, and GA. We can also put in there ME2 and NE2

So I will break them down into three groups.

The Ones Hillary Should have Won- WI, MI, PA - Because she didn't devote resources, because Comey sandbagged her, or because of Russian Shennanigans, Hillary lost these states. So how is Biden doing there.

Well, he's leading in all three.

RealClearPolitics - Election 2020 - Wisconsin: Trump vs. Biden

RealClearPolitics - Election 2020 - Wisconsin: Trump vs. Biden

www.realclearpolitics.com

RealClearPolitics - Election 2020 - Pennsylvania: Trump vs. Biden

RealClearPolitics - Election 2020 - Pennsylvania: Trump vs. Biden

www.realclearpolitics.com

RealClearPolitics - Election 2020 - Michigan: Trump vs. Biden

RealClearPolitics - Election 2020 - Michigan: Trump vs. Biden

www.realclearpolitics.com

This is before the full effect of Trump's Recession are hit, and Biden's still ahead. When these folks realize that not only won't they get Daddy's factory job back, they probably won't get to keep that service job they have, it WILL be worse.

Those three will put him over 278, game over, man, game over.

But wait, there's more!

Next up we have the three Hillary tried really hard for - NC, AZ and FL

Biden is competitive in those, and has a firm lead in Arizona.

RealClearPolitics - Election 2020 - Florida: Trump vs. Biden

RealClearPolitics - Election 2020 - Florida: Trump vs. Biden

www.realclearpolitics.com

RealClearPolitics - Election 2020 - North Carolina: Trump vs. Biden

RealClearPolitics - Election 2020 - North Carolina: Trump vs. Biden

www.realclearpolitics.com

RealClearPolitics - Election 2020 - Arizona: Trump vs. Biden

RealClearPolitics - Election 2020 - Arizona: Trump vs. Biden

www.realclearpolitics.com

If he wins those three, he will be up to 333, actually better than Obama did in 2008. Let's throw in Maine2 into that mix, and go with 334.

Then you have the Swinging for the Fences states. These are states the Democrats could potentially win. = IA, OH, TX and GA. Not as much polling data on these from RCP. But what little there is shows Biden could be competitive. Probably a lot more after the bottom completely falls out of the economy. That would bring him up to 413

he's withing 3 points in Texas

RealClearPolitics - Election 2020 - Texas: Trump vs. Biden

RealClearPolitics - Election 2020 - Texas: Trump vs. Biden

www.realclearpolitics.com

5 Points in Iowa

RealClearPolitics - Election 2020 - Iowa: Trump vs. Biden

RealClearPolitics - Election 2020 - Iowa: Trump vs. Biden

www.realclearpolitics.com

Actually LEADING Trump in Ohio.

RealClearPolitics - Election 2020 - Ohio: Trump vs. Biden

RealClearPolitics - Election 2020 - Ohio: Trump vs. Biden

www.realclearpolitics.com

Trailing him by 8 points in Georgia, but again- this assumes the economy collapses completely and Trump won't be so popular anymore.





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Pre-emptive whining?

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Ward and June are a myth.

Traditional Americans are dumb-ass white trash who bend over for the rich. "I want to catch Covid! They made me wait 10 minutes in line for groceries!"

 

[rightwinger]

Cities and states don’t vote.
People do.

Political strategies would change to get the most people to vote for you.

As you know, the states do vote for the President of the United States.

To restore balance, we should repeal the 17th Amendment. That was a major mistake.

Based on the votes of individual citizens.

Repealing the 17th amendment just opens the process up to political patronage and corruption

 

[rightwinger]

What flaw in the system?
If there was a flaw it was the BULLSHIT MSM POLLS.
In November the UE rate won't be 10%

Actually, it will be 10% next month. And the one thing we know about the unemployment rate is that it takes a lot longer to go down than it does to go up. For instance, it went from 5% to 10% in less than a year and half, but it didn't go back down to 5% until 2015 or so.

THANK YOU! Good to see you finally acknowledging the fact failed former President Obama led the slowest recovery in modern history.

Slowest recovery that tripled the Stock Market and cut unemployment by five percent.

Slowest recovery that tripled the Stock Market.

8K to 20K isn't a triple.

Ain’t no slow recovery ...is it?
No President has had a bigger gain

Ain’t no slow recovery ...is it?

Weakest recovery since WWII.

No President has had a bigger gain

Incorrect.

How is tripling the stock market and dropping unemployment by over five percent “weak”??

How is tripling the stock market

He didn't.

and dropping unemployment by over five percent “weak”??

Don't be mad at me for pointing out Obama's weak economic performance.

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Looks like 3.1%

Dropped from 10 percent down below 5 percent

That is quite an economic recovery

 

[Bob Blaylock]

If the areas are "densely populated" they aren't small. The real question is, why are we giving Wyoming more clout in the EC than California?

The needs of a farmer in Wyoming are very different than the needs of a banker in Los Angeles.

If every individual vote was counted correctly, we'd have a government that catered exclusively to that banker, and ignored the needs of that farmer.

Within California, we can see exactly what it was that the wise men who wrote the Constitution intended to prevent.

California is, in almost every way, one of the most diverse states, if not THE most diverse state, in the country. We have two of the biggest, densest cities, we have vast stretches of rural, lightly-populated farmland, and everything in between. We've got one of the most corrupt and unaccountable state government, which, for the most part, promotes its own interests rather than that of the people of this state, but to the extent that it pays attention to the needs of the people, guess which populations it pays attention to, and which populations it ignores?