Eisenhower Channeling Orwell

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1. A perennial mistake that folks make is awarding an undeserved objectivity, trustworthiness and/or knowledge in some realm totally distinct from that one in which someone gained celebrity status, awarded by the state media.
Nowhere is this more evident that that awarded to politicians, economists, bureaucrats, and weathermen….and, it seems, doctors.

But awarding same to those nominally known as ‘scientists’ is surely a close second. Biases, preferences, politics and credit card debt all enter ‘scientist’s’ claims as do they any average citizen.


2. Yesterday, the FDA panel voted 17 to 0 to allow the vaccine to little children.
"The 18-member Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee, a panel of experts connected to the FDA, was asked to vote yes or no on whether members believed the vaccine was safe and effective for children ages 5-11 based on the data presented to them by Pfizer, as well as the FDA and the CDC, during the nearly nine-hour meeting.

Several members expressed concern that they couldn’t give a more nuanced answer to the yes-or-no question they were being asked to vote on: Whether the vaccine is safe and effective for all kids ages 5 to 11.


3. "An FDA adviser said we need to give kids vaccines to fully understand their safety.​

“we’re never going to learn about how safe this vaccine is unless we start giving it.”
Some have likened them to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s (D-Calif.) statement that Congress had “to pass [Obamacare] so that you can find out what’s in it.” Others have suggested the authorization would be akin to turning children into guinea pigs."



4. And Eisenhower's warning has come to pass:

"During the 1961 address, in which the president famously warned of the danger to the nation of a growing armaments industry referred to as a “military-industrial complex,” he included a few sentences about risks posed by a scientific-technological elite. He noted that the technological revolution of previous decades had been fed by more costly and centralized research, increasingly sponsored by the federal government.

“Today, the solitary inventor, tinkering in his shop, has been overshadowed by task forces of scientists in laboratories and testing fields… ,” Eisenhower warned. “Partly because of the huge costs involved, a government contract becomes virtually a substitute for intellectual curiosity.”

While continuing to respect discovery and scientific research, he said, “We must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientific-technological elite.”


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And with the Korean war we realized that Eisenhower was no different than the rest of the industrial complex wanting war because of colonization.
 
"During the 1961 address, in which the president famously warned of the danger to the nation of a growing armaments industry referred to as a “military-industrial complex,”



When Eisenhower was talking about the "military industrial complex," he meant companies lobbying their congressmen for military contracts so they could get the work and a lot of money.

That's all it is.

Conspiracy wackos like to make all kinds of things out of the term "military industrial complex", and it's a shame Eisenhower used the phrase. Eisenhower was just mad because military spending was getting out of hand.
 
"During the 1961 address, in which the president famously warned of the danger to the nation of a growing armaments industry referred to as a “military-industrial complex,”



When Eisenhower was talking about the "military industrial complex," he meant companies lobbying their congressmen for military contracts so they could get the work and a lot of money.

That's all it is.

Conspiracy wackos like to make all kinds of things out of the term "military industrial complex", and it's a shame Eisenhower used the phrase. Eisenhower was just mad because military spending was getting out of hand.



Sorry you didn't understand the OP....


...or are you afraid of upsetting your handlers......
 
5. "Eisenhower was someone concerned about the conflict between the people in general and specialists, Zachary said. In his farewell address, Zachary said, the president meant that every American be alert to balance the needs of science and the public.

Zachary noted that the word “elite” has become a pejorative term and that Eisenhower’s use of it made it safe for anyone to invoke it to question those with influence and their motives.

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William Lanouette​

William Lanouette, a journalist and former senior analyst on science issues for the U.S. Government Accountability Office, said that by the time Eisenhower made his speech, the shift had already been made to the government setting science policy. But scientists found they could influence policy by testifying in Washington and forming societies that could promote certain agenda."
 
6. "...Eisenhower’s statement about science in his farewell speech emphasized a concern he raised in his first inaugural address.

Reflecting on modern humanity’s power to achieve great good or inflict unprecedented evil, the new president said: “Nations amass wealth. Labor sweats to create, and turns out devices to level not only mountains but also cities. Science seems ready to confer upon us, as its final gift, the power to erase human life from this planet.”

Eisenhower was concerned about a dilemma scientific and technological advances present modern society, Sarewitz said. The influence of these advances forces democratic societies to increasingly depend on a rarified elite to understand and manage the very complexity that they help to create and accelerate, he said."




In short, science can tell us what we can do.....


.....but not what we should do.
 
7. The warning that Eisenhower provided need be recalled in connection with the following:


In 2007, physicists Steven Weinberg addressed the “Beyond Belief: Science, Religion, Reason, and Survival” conference. This Nobel Prize winner claimed “Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it, you'd have good people doing good things and evil people doing bad things, but for good people to do bad things, it takes religion.” He was warmly applauded.​


What was the religious provenance of poison gas, barbed wire, high explosives, experiments in eugenics, Zyklon B, heavy artillery, napalm, nuclear weapons?​




What did Christopher Hitchens write…” God Is Not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything!”​

Well, then how do with reconcile science with abortion, fetal stem-cell research, euthanasia, infanticide, cloning, animal-human hybrids, among the other ‘gifts’ of science, an ideology bereft of any sense of responsibility to human nature.​

 
7. The warning that Eisenhower provided need be recalled in connection with the following:


In 2007, physicists Steven Weinberg addressed the “Beyond Belief: Science, Religion, Reason, and Survival” conference. This Nobel Prize winner claimed “Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it, you'd have good people doing good things and evil people doing bad things, but for good people to do bad things, it takes religion.” He was warmly applauded.​


What was the religious provenance of poison gas, barbed wire, high explosives, experiments in eugenics, Zyklon B, heavy artillery, napalm, nuclear weapons?​




What did Christopher Hitchens write…” God Is Not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything!”​

Well, then how do with reconcile science with abortion, fetal stem-cell research, euthanasia, infanticide, cloning, animal-human hybrids, among the other ‘gifts’ of science, an ideology bereft of any sense of responsibility to human nature.​

As history has proven not any humans of any religion has not warred against other humans for significant gain even though the majority of religions claim to be a religion promoting peace and love among humans.
 

"FDA Adviser Explains Why He Abstained From Vote on Pfizer’s COVID-19 Vaccine for Young Children​

BY ZACHARY STIEBER

October 29, 2021 Updated: October 29, 2021
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The only Food and Drug Administration vaccine advisory panel member to abstain from a major vote this week that essentially authorized Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine for children as young as 5 said he did so because of limited safety and efficacy data.


...we saw that approximately 68 percent of the children who are hospitalized with COVID-19 have underlying comorbidities. That means about 32 percent do not. And then if we were to take 40 percent of that group that may have immunity already, we’re getting down to a very small percent of otherwise healthy 6- to 11-year-old children who might derive some benefit,” he added.

Cases of heart inflammation after receipt of the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are highest in youth, especially boys in their teens. Based on reports submitted to the federally run Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS), the cases are higher than expected in males aged 12 to 49 after the second Pfizer dose and females 12 to 24 after the second Pfizer dose."
 
Just another politicalchic copypasta puking party to down on science. Nothing to see here, from the poster that would fail a 6th grade science quiz.
 

Like 95% of your RW conspiracy crap:

""The Epoch Times is a far-right[12] international multi-language newspaper and media company affiliated with the Falun Gong new religious movement.[17] The newspaper, based in New York City, is part of the Epoch Media Group, which also operates New Tang Dynasty (NTD) Television.[18] The Epoch Times has websites in 35 countries but is blocked in mainland China.[19]

The Epoch Times opposes the Chinese Communist Party,[20] promotes far-right politicians in Europe,[3][5] and has championed President Donald Trump in the U.S.;[21] a 2019 report by NBC News showed it to be the second-largest funder of pro-Trump Facebook advertising after the Trump campaign.[18][22][23]

The Epoch Media Group's news sites and YouTube channels have spread Conspiracy theories such as QAnon and anti-vaccine misinformation.[18][24][25]
In 2020, The New York Times called it a "global-scale misinformation machine".[21] The Epoch Times frequently promotes other Falun Gong affiliated groups, such as the performing arts company Shen Yun.[14][26][21]..."



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Like 95% of your RW conspiracy crap:

""The Epoch Times is a far-right[12] international multi-language newspaper and media company affiliated with the Falun Gong new religious movement.[17] The newspaper, based in New York City, is part of the Epoch Media Group, which also operates New Tang Dynasty (NTD) Television.[18] The Epoch Times has websites in 35 countries but is blocked in mainland China.[19]

The Epoch Times opposes the Chinese Communist Party,[20] promotes far-right politicians in Europe,[3][5] and has championed President Donald Trump in the U.S.;[21] a 2019 report by NBC News showed it to be the second-largest funder of pro-Trump Facebook advertising after the Trump campaign.[18][22][23]

The Epoch Media Group's news sites and YouTube channels have spread Conspiracy theories such as QAnon and anti-vaccine misinformation.[18][24][25]
In 2020, The New York Times called it a "global-scale misinformation machine".[21] The Epoch Times frequently promotes other Falun Gong affiliated groups, such as the performing arts company Shen Yun.[14][26][21]..."



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First step in their playbook of 'delegitimization' is to refuse to accept any statements of fact, or even strongly supported opinion, unless they come from a Leftist source....the NYTimes, HuffPost, the DNC, MSNBC or the like.


Get that?
Only accept an admission from your side.
Is that insane????




Frequently a post on the message board includes either a link, quote, or reference to World Net Daily, or Rupert Murdoch, or Ann Coulter, or some other right-thinker, and rather than admit that the item is dispositive for the thread or question under discussion, often the Leftist,totalitarians, with the alternate view:

a. refuse to address the issue, because the citation is on the opposite side.

b. resort to an emoticon of laughter, or some sort of sign of disrespect, or the use of ‘lol.’

c. feel that some sort of “there you go again” response, rather than an actual refutation.

d. Attack the referred item with an Ad Hominem jab, pointing to an imagined physical or mental defect, or alter the name in some absurd manner.

In short....anything but an actual response.

What we have here is the kind of defense against opposing ideas that is indolent at best, and intellectually cowardly at worst.


As an example, FrontPage, the online Internet magazine has received more than one billion ‘hits.’ It has interviewed leading intellectuals, politicians and human rights activists such as Bat Ye’or, Vladimir Bukovsky, Christopher Hitchens, Khaleel Mohammed, Daniel Pipes, Natan Sharanky and Andrew Sullivan. It has therefore had both left, liberal voices (Stanley Aronowitz, Susan Estrich, Michael Lerner) and right-wing voices (Tammy Bruce, Ann Coulter, James Woolsey).



To dismiss a source or author because they promulgate an alternative or even a hated perspective, without consideration of the truth of their premise lacks integrity.
There are some half dozen posts in this very thread that fit that description.....like yours.



Stop fearing the truth!
 
No issues here. Being an educated adult and not a confused Moron, nobody had to make me get vaccinated.



Having completed junior high school hardly qualifies as being 'educated.'


Or.....to verify my observations of your posts, would you provide three or four of the books that have informed your geopolitical views?
 
Having completed junior high school hardly qualifies as being 'educated.'


Or.....to verify my observations of your posts, would you provide three or four of the books that have informed your geopolitical views?
To you? Haha... no. You are a moron. You would fail a 6th grade science quiz and could not Intelligently define words like "socialism" or "communism" if your life depended.on it. You are a fringe deviant and serial plagiarist of low moral and ethical character.
 
To you? Haha... no. You are a moron. You would fail a 6th grade science quiz and could not Intelligently define words like "socialism" or "communism" if your life depended.on it. You are a fringe deviant and serial plagiarist of low moral and ethical character.


Inadvertently you have admitted to having no education beyond the propaganda you swallow whole.

No reader of your posts will be surprised.



" You would fail a 6th grade science quiz and could not Intelligently define words like "socialism" or "communism" if your life depended."
Several Ivy League universities would beg to differ.


But.....ever the optimist.....let me know if you'd like me to provide a curriculum, several good books, that would allow you to look a tad less like an imbecile.
 
First step in their playbook of 'delegitimization' is to refuse to accept any statements of fact, or even strongly supported opinion, unless they come from a Leftist source....the NYTimes, HuffPost, the DNC, MSNBC or the like.


Get that?
Only accept an admission from your side.
Is that insane????




Frequently a post on the message board includes either a link, quote, or reference to World Net Daily, or Rupert Murdoch, or Ann Coulter, or some other right-thinker, and rather than admit that the item is dispositive for the thread or question under discussion, often the Leftist,totalitarians, with the alternate view:

a. refuse to address the issue, because the citation is on the opposite side.

b. resort to an emoticon of laughter, or some sort of sign of disrespect, or the use of ‘lol.’

c. feel that some sort of “there you go again” response, rather than an actual refutation.

d. Attack the referred item with an Ad Hominem jab, pointing to an imagined physical or mental defect, or alter the name in some absurd manner.

In short....anything but an actual response.

What we have here is the kind of defense against opposing ideas that is indolent at best, and intellectually cowardly at worst.


As an example, FrontPage, the online Internet magazine has received more than one billion ‘hits.’ It has interviewed leading intellectuals, politicians and human rights activists such as Bat Ye’or, Vladimir Bukovsky, Christopher Hitchens, Khaleel Mohammed, Daniel Pipes, Natan Sharanky and Andrew Sullivan. It has therefore had both left, liberal voices (Stanley Aronowitz, Susan Estrich, Michael Lerner) and right-wing voices (Tammy Bruce, Ann Coulter, James Woolsey).



To dismiss a source or author because they promulgate an alternative or even a hated perspective, without consideration of the truth of their premise lacks integrity.
There are some half dozen posts in this very thread that fit that description.....like yours.



Stop fearing the truth!
You're a Right Wing ConspiracYst, Literalist/YEC/Creationist, Quote Mining Crackpot, whose always trying to discredit Science and other legitimate institutions/ideas.
Now another Title-Cloaked ANTI-VAX thread.


You post in this section to try and discredit science to make room for your Creationist and other Crackpot Ideas.

I Stopped that Specific (anti-evo) part of your attack just over a year ago When I pointed out your Classic and DISHONEST Quote-Mining and you STFU about Darwin, etc, since.
You were OUTED and Beaten, and crawled back in your cheap $5 Hole: basically left the section.




Now BACK Quote Mining to discredit legitimate science.
Going after Vaccines now.
That is Dangerous stuff.
You need to be Outed for the Dangerous Disinfo/ConspiracYst BOT you are.


It's YOU who can't stand the truth you Freak, and you who only has ONE game: Quote Mining woven in with Alt/wacko/waco websites.
You're a DISHONEST and Transparent POS.

This is basically a Repeat of her several day old FAILED Anti-Mask, Anti-Vax, thread which I also busted:
Lulled Into Compliance
This Lunatic is a Dangerous FRAUD.



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You're a Right Wing ConspiracYst, Literalist/YEC/Creationist, Quote Mining Crackpot, whose always trying to discredit Science and other legitimate institutions/ideas.
Now a Title-Cloaked ANTI-VAX thread.


You post in this section to try and discredit science to make room for your Creationist and other Crackpot Ideas.

I Stopped that Specific (anti-evo) part of your attack just over a year ago When I pointed out your Classic and DISHONEST Quote-Mining and you STFU about Darwin, etc, since.
You were OUTED and Beaten, and crawled back in your cheap $5 Hole: basically left the section.




Now BACK Quote Mining in the discredit-legitimate-science.
Going after Vaccines now.
That is Dangerous stuff.
You need to be Outed for the Dangerous Disinfo/ConspiracYst machine/BOT you are.


It's YOU who can't stand the truth you Freak, and you who only has ONE game: Quote Mining woven in with Alt/wacko/waco websites.
You're a DISHONEST and Transparent POS.




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"Quote mining" is the defense your sort uses when you can't dispute the truth or the origin of a statement.


Every time you use the phrase, you are admitting that.
 
1. A perennial mistake that folks make is awarding an undeserved objectivity, trustworthiness and/or knowledge in some realm totally distinct from that one in which someone gained celebrity status, awarded by the state media.
Nowhere is this more evident that that awarded to politicians, economists, bureaucrats, and weathermen….and, it seems, doctors.

But awarding same to those nominally known as ‘scientists’ is surely a close second. Biases, preferences, politics and credit card debt all enter ‘scientist’s’ claims as do they any average citizen.


2. Yesterday, the FDA panel voted 17 to 0 to allow the vaccine to little children.
"The 18-member Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee, a panel of experts connected to the FDA, was asked to vote yes or no on whether members believed the vaccine was safe and effective for children ages 5-11 based on the data presented to them by Pfizer, as well as the FDA and the CDC, during the nearly nine-hour meeting.

Several members expressed concern that they couldn’t give a more nuanced answer to the yes-or-no question they were being asked to vote on: Whether the vaccine is safe and effective for all kids ages 5 to 11.


3. "An FDA adviser said we need to give kids vaccines to fully understand their safety.​

“we’re never going to learn about how safe this vaccine is unless we start giving it.”
Some have likened them to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s (D-Calif.) statement that Congress had “to pass [Obamacare] so that you can find out what’s in it.” Others have suggested the authorization would be akin to turning children into guinea pigs."



4. And Eisenhower's warning has come to pass:

"During the 1961 address, in which the president famously warned of the danger to the nation of a growing armaments industry referred to as a “military-industrial complex,” he included a few sentences about risks posed by a scientific-technological elite. He noted that the technological revolution of previous decades had been fed by more costly and centralized research, increasingly sponsored by the federal government.

“Today, the solitary inventor, tinkering in his shop, has been overshadowed by task forces of scientists in laboratories and testing fields… ,” Eisenhower warned. “Partly because of the huge costs involved, a government contract becomes virtually a substitute for intellectual curiosity.”

While continuing to respect discovery and scientific research, he said, “We must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientific-technological elite.”


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This thing takes out teens left an right it's gonna destroy the lil ones

This is government sanctioned murder and mutilation
 

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