Education Secretary Linda McMahon announces mass layoffs at Dept. of Education - 50% of workforce

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

And which Amendment gives Congress the authority to create these departments ?

Not an amendment.

The Necessary and Proper Clause, also known as the Elastic Clause, is found in Article 1, Section 8 of the U.S. Constitution. It grants Congress the authority to use all means "necessary and proper" to execute the enumerated powers listed in the Constitution. This clause allows Congress to create laws that are conducive to the beneficial exercise of its powers, even if not absolutely necessary,

Now you know.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Prove it.

You cannot prove something does not exist. You are free to prove it does exist!

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

What or whose rules are you playing by? This agency was created at the bequest of a union in 1980.

No. It was created by an act of Congress in 1979. Once again, you lose.

 

[LeftofLeft]

And?
Show me any benefit the Union received

The creation of the Department of Education.

None of that money goes to unions. Where do you get such a stupid idea?

Political donations come from the national unions such as the NEA and AFT. The government has nothing to do with it.

$298 B to fund an agency created as a gift to the unions was a stupid idea. $298B annually and to still have an agency creating policy for schools throughout the states is smart from what perspective?

Show some goddamn intelligence yourself. This agency was created by Carter to appease the teachers’ unions in 1980 and its budget runs in the face of efficiency.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

The creation of the Department of Education.

$298 B to fund an agency created as a gift to the unions was a stupid idea. $298B annually and to still have an agency creating policy for schools throughout the states is smart from what perspective?

Show some goddamn intelligence yourself. This agency was created by Carter to appease the teachers’ unions in 1980 and its budget runs in the face of efficiency.

The Education Department was created in 1979 by an act of Congress. Do you have any sources that are correct?

 

[rightwinger]

The creation of the Department of Education.

OK
Now show how unions are receiving any benefits from the Dept of Education

How about rules saying all schools must be unionized?
That never happened did it?

What are unions getting?

 

[LeftofLeft]

The Education Department was created in 1979 by an act of Congress. Do you have any sources that are correct?

What source are you using and why/how is it incorrect and mine is wrong?

The Education Department was created to ensure equal access. Who would do that in its absence?

As the Trump administration moves to dismantle the Education Department, officials have suggested other agencies could take over its major responsibilities.

apnews.com

 

[SweetSue92]

Not their job Skippy
That is up to local and state governments

Paper pushers. Meanwhile, every educator I know is working like a dog.

Keep promoting how much you all love fatcat bureaucrats, maybe you'll lose teachers too....

 

[WorldWatcher]

What or whose rules are you playing by? This agency was created at the bequest of a union in 1980.

No it wasn't. The Federal Department of Education existed prior to 1980 as part of the Department of Health, Education, and Welfare. It roots are traced back to legislation passed by Congress in 1867.

In the late 70's it's functions were spun off from DHEW to it's current cabinent level standing.

WW

 

[rightwinger]

Paper pushers. Meanwhile, every educator I know is working like a dog.

Keep promoting how much you all love fatcat bureaucrats, maybe you'll lose teachers too....

Yea……Dept of Education is just paper pushers

Paper for Student Loans and Grants
Paper to fund Special Education
Paper to provide additional funding for low income districts

 

[WorldWatcher]

Paper pushers. Meanwhile, every educator I know is working like a dog.

Keep promoting how much you all love fatcat bureaucrats, maybe you'll lose teachers too....

As someone that works in a School Districts Human Resources Department (I'm the residence HR Information Systems Geek), I've watched teacher recruitment now for decades. I've got a BS in technology and a MEd. After the Navy I was going to be a Middle School Tech Ed. teacher - but private industry snagged me first. But that's a different story.

IMHO - we are in a teacher staffing criss and have been for a number of years. Pre COVID we were hitting 100% or very close to it fully qualified/licensed staffing levels, including hard to staff Math and SPED. Now we are having to hire unlicensed teachers (mostly those already with Bachelor degrees) into special programs where they work now and have course requirements to be completed in 2-3 years to complete license requirements.

And the suprising thing is, it's not so much the pay that has caused the long term problems. It's the disparaging of teaching as a profession that has caused the long term staffing issues. People just don't want to go into teaching like they used to as a career field. Pay may be "a" factor, but I think it relates more to teachers/administrators not being able to effectivley deal with disipline issues (which leads to disruption in the classroom) and demonization of the profession in the media for decades.

WW

 

[LeftofLeft]

No it wasn't. The Federal Department of Education existed prior to 1980 as part of the Department of Health, Education, and Welfare. It roots are traced back to legislation passed by Congress in 1867.

In the late 70's it's functions were spun off from DHEW to it's current cabinent level standing.

WW

OK…. So what was the compelling event or reason to have it as a stand alone agency? Also, if some of these functions were being done prior as part of other agencies, why not go back to that?

 

[SeaMajor7]

Provide for the Common Defense and promote the General Welfare, promote not fund which in the case of the Federal Government means stay the **** out of things not mandated to it by the Constitution. Limited and Enumerated Powers.

EXACTLY. "Promote" is the word in the Constitution about "welfare", not PROVIDE.
The demented LEFT have been twisting that clause for decades.

 

[ColonelAngus]

So I guess before 1980, no one in the United States of America received an education?

How ******* retarded does that sound?

Somehow, people got educated in the US prior to 1980 and the DOE.

SWEAR.

We even had planes and spaceships and medicine and shit….all before the department of education.

 

[SeaMajor7]

So I guess before 1980, no one in the United States of America received an education?

How ******* retarded does that sound?

Somehow, people got educated in the US prior to 1980 and the DOE.

SWEAR.

We even had planes and spaceships and medicine and shit….all before the department of education.

The Marxists goal is to indoctrinate the children with the power of the federal government.
Hurry kids, don't be late for SOCIAL STUDIES.

 

[rightwinger]

OK…. So what was the compelling event or reason to have it as a stand alone agency? Also, if some of these functions were being done prior as part of other agencies, why not go back to that?

Why are you obsessed with having someone else do the tasks Dept of Education is now doing?

What makes you think other agencies would be better at it?

If you think other agencies are the way to go, why are you firing half the workforce rather than transfer people to a new agency?

 

[rightwinger]

EXACTLY. "Promote" is the word in the Constitution about "welfare", not PROVIDE.
The demented LEFT have been twisting that clause for decades.

The Constitution, Article 1 Section 8 says PROVIDE for the General Welfare

You also see the word “welfare” and think it means give money for poor people.
Welfare means the well being of We the People

 

[SeaMajor7]

The Constitution, Article 1 Section 8 says PROVIDE for the General Welfare

You also see the word “welfare” and think it means give money for poor people.
Welfare means the well being of We the People

Get a job, loser.

 

[eagle1462010]

Not their job Skippy
That is up to local and state governments

Which is WHY Federal Micromanagement must end.

 

[ColonelAngus]

The Marxists goal is to indoctrinate the children with the power of the federal government.
Hurry kids, don't be late for SOCIAL STUDIES.

Just classic government bureaucrats. So needless.

Sometimes I wonder if lefties wipe their asses themselves or have a line of 4 people standing by to perform a wipe each.