CDZ Economic Carnage Is Coming

[Andylusion]

I have been saying this from the start...this strain is faaaar faaaar too weak to justify this response. They know something. They know...and the next time it's really gonna kill people...a lot of people.

And that response continues to this day...So the threat must still exist!

Yeah, something doesn't add up. There is something that is just not right about this. Well, lots of somethings. We can't count on the media to ask, my God they are nothing but worthless, if not straight out harmful themselves.

We are at war with china, no one who knows this wants the conflict to escalate to millions of degrees

The Chinese have controlling interest in many of the media companies. We have paid for our own destruction. Through purchase of cheap plastic shit at big box America we have ensured our own destruction.

The chinese own a piece of the us federal reserve. If we sue them and win they could sell us treasuries and stock to pay us back and totally destroy our economy in the process

Why? Because the inmates are in charge

The chinese own a piece of the us federal reserve.

Baloney.

If we sue them and win they could sell us treasuries and stock to pay us back and totally destroy our economy in the process

Hilarious! And wrong.

Dude I own a piece of the federal reserve everyone who owns t bills does, China owns Trillions in t bills and more trillions in stock of American companies. None of this is speculative it's all fact. If China sold all of it's American assets our economy would dissipate and inflation would make a loaf of bread cost a hundred bucks at least

All in all we are fucked and idiots walking around in masks would all be better off dead

Dude I own a piece of the federal reserve

You're lying.

everyone who owns t bills does

T-bills are debt issued by the US Treasury, not the Fed.

China owns Trillions in t bills and more trillions in stock of American companies.

About $1.1 trillion in Treasuries. I doubt they own anywhere near that in us stocks.

If China sold all of it's American assets our economy would dissipate

Dissipate? What do you mean?

If you do not know what dissipate means ask your homeroom teacher who will instruct you to use a dictionary

T bills are issued by the treasury and are backed in gold bullion in the federal reserve.

Play on little one

If you do not know what dissipate means

I know what dissipate means.
I don't know what your claim about China selling assets causing our economy to dissipate means.

So explain it.

How does China selling $1 trillion in Treasuries cause our economy to evaporate, disappear, vanish?

T bills are issued by the treasury and are backed in gold bullion in the federal reserve.

T-bills aren't backed by gold.

She (assuming that esalla is she) doesn't know what's she's talking about.

First, Even if China sells assets, they do not disappear, someone has to buys them.
Second, they cannot just send them back and demand cash, since they're long term based, for what they're getting paid interest. If they sell them, ownership changes, everything else, including terms stays the same.

If China sells everything, a panic begins and everyone rushes to sell everything and the stock market crashes and elevator shafts become full of economic geniuses like you

Google it, there are photos

How Much U.S. Debt Does China Own?

As of 2023, China owns more than $859.4 billion in U.S. debt. That's less than the U.S. debt owned by Japan and represents about 2.6% of the total U.S. debt. Learn more.

www.investopedia.com

First... There is over $25 Trillion in US bonds on the market.

China only owns $1.1 Trillion worth. How does 4% of the bonds going on sale, cause a panic? Seems unlikely.

Moreover, why would there be a panic regardless?

The only possible reason there would be a panic, is if they believed the US wasn't going to pay the bonds. China selling, or not selling their bonds, wouldn't cause people to think well obvious the US is going to default.

China has already drastically reduced their holdings of US bonds. It hasn't caused people to think we were going to default.

Lastly, even if there was a crisis in the bond market, which could happen with, or without China doing anything... that isn't likely to cause a stock market crash.

We already know this from what happened in the UK.

U.K. Bond Auction Fails for First Time in 14 Years - WSJ

www.wsj.com

The UK government already had a bond crisis back in 2009. The stock market was already depressed because of the Sub-prime crash, but the bond failure had virtually no effect.

And why would it? British companies that were profitable and selling, were still profitable and selling.

The bond crisis pretty much only affected the government... because obviously it was the government that was unable to get money from selling the bonds.

Now obviously how the government responds to the bond crisis could cause a stock market crash. Thankfully the UK engaged in austerity. If they had instead engaged in tax hikes across the country, the results could have wrecked companies, and that could have severely damaged the stock market for sure.

China only owns $1.1 Trillion worth. How does 4% of the bonds going on sale, cause a panic? Seems unlikely.

The US T-Bond market trades something like $500 billion a day.
Two days worth of typical sales......we're doomed!!!

Again if China demanded their money back this would signal an international panic and cause a stock market drop unlike any previously seen. No tech company could complete hardware if the Chinese restricted trade to the USA which would refer back to the drop that is still continuing, the unemployment would be real.

If you do not like it, or have some serious reason to pretend that the Chinks hold no leverage over the USA, continue on as you feel you must

Just remember I answer to no one, certainly not you or the children that you work with and for

Besides it's not like a disease could ever escape china and shut down the entire American economy and force the American military to pretend not to have raised the defcon level or launch missiles from the USS Barry

Enjoy

US Navy launches live-fire missiles in ‘warning to China’

Unusual drill in the Philippine Sea a signal to the PLA that American forces can counter advanced threats, military observers say.

www.scmp.com

Again if China demanded their money back this would signal an international panic

First, they can't "demand" their money back. They can hold their Treasuries until they mature, or they can sell them. In either case they end up with dollars. Which they can re-invest or use to buy some other currency. If they sell dollars and buy Euros, for instance, the weaker dollar helps our trade balance and hurts Chinese exports to the US.

And like I said, selling 2 days worth of Treasury volume, wouldn't do shit to our stock market.

No tech company could complete hardware if the Chinese restricted trade to the USA

China could certainly do that. Millions of unemployed Chinese probably wouldn't be a problem for them, they can just crush them with tanks, eh?

If you do not like it, or have some serious reason to pretend that the Chinks hold no leverage over the USA, continue on as you feel you must

Hey, if they want to harm their own, rickety, about to collapse economy, I sure can't stop them.

LOL you are ranting like a spoiled little child. You have a better chance of winning the powerball then getting hit by lightning twice in the same day than derailing me.........................

But don't stop trying as it seems to be giving purpose to your otherwise worthless existence

Calmly pointing out your idiocy isn't ranting.

Now about those $100 loaves of bread...…….hilarious!

I also saw a movie where the chinks completely shut down the entire American economy with a bat virus, tell us could that happen?

Continue wanking

130 vs 95

They didn't.
China did not shut down the entire US economy with a bat virus.

First, the entire economy isn't shut down. I've had 3 job offers in the past month. People are hiring. How are hiring if the "entire American economy" is shut down?

There plenty of companies operating. Plenty. You can say the economy is hindered... yes, it is hindered. Yes some companies are shut down. But not entire economy. Don't be ridiculous.

Second, China did not do it. The US government imposed lock down restrictions. It wasn't China.

We know that because they didn't shut down Sweden or Japan, or many others. Their government refused to engage in Draconian measures. Ours did.

China didn't do it.

Lastly, we don't yet know if it was an engineered virus or something. Is that possible? Yeah... but... I'm not going to jump to conspiracy theory conclusions without evidence.

Ok dude you stay there in la la land pretending that the American economy is not shut down because of a bat virus

I just ordered a Pizza from Donatos, and it was hot and fresh.

Please explain how if the entire economy is shut down, why I was able to do that.

Definition of ENTIRE

having no element or part left out : whole; complete in degree : total; consisting of one piece… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

But you go right on ignoring the 22,000,000 Americans that the Chinese bat virus put on unemployment

You said "entire" economy. I just ordered a pizza from a chain that has hired additional staff.

Entire.... means everything.

Yes.... or no.... is the "Entire" economy shut down? Yes or no. Answer the question.

 

[esalla]

I have been saying this from the start...this strain is faaaar faaaar too weak to justify this response. They know something. They know...and the next time it's really gonna kill people...a lot of people.

And that response continues to this day...So the threat must still exist!

Yeah, something doesn't add up. There is something that is just not right about this. Well, lots of somethings. We can't count on the media to ask, my God they are nothing but worthless, if not straight out harmful themselves.

We are at war with china, no one who knows this wants the conflict to escalate to millions of degrees

The Chinese have controlling interest in many of the media companies. We have paid for our own destruction. Through purchase of cheap plastic shit at big box America we have ensured our own destruction.

The chinese own a piece of the us federal reserve. If we sue them and win they could sell us treasuries and stock to pay us back and totally destroy our economy in the process

Why? Because the inmates are in charge

The chinese own a piece of the us federal reserve.

Baloney.

If we sue them and win they could sell us treasuries and stock to pay us back and totally destroy our economy in the process

Hilarious! And wrong.

Dude I own a piece of the federal reserve everyone who owns t bills does, China owns Trillions in t bills and more trillions in stock of American companies. None of this is speculative it's all fact. If China sold all of it's American assets our economy would dissipate and inflation would make a loaf of bread cost a hundred bucks at least

All in all we are fucked and idiots walking around in masks would all be better off dead

Dude I own a piece of the federal reserve

You're lying.

everyone who owns t bills does

T-bills are debt issued by the US Treasury, not the Fed.

China owns Trillions in t bills and more trillions in stock of American companies.

About $1.1 trillion in Treasuries. I doubt they own anywhere near that in us stocks.

If China sold all of it's American assets our economy would dissipate

Dissipate? What do you mean?

If you do not know what dissipate means ask your homeroom teacher who will instruct you to use a dictionary

T bills are issued by the treasury and are backed in gold bullion in the federal reserve.

Play on little one

If you do not know what dissipate means

I know what dissipate means.
I don't know what your claim about China selling assets causing our economy to dissipate means.

So explain it.

How does China selling $1 trillion in Treasuries cause our economy to evaporate, disappear, vanish?

T bills are issued by the treasury and are backed in gold bullion in the federal reserve.

T-bills aren't backed by gold.

She (assuming that esalla is she) doesn't know what's she's talking about.

First, Even if China sells assets, they do not disappear, someone has to buys them.
Second, they cannot just send them back and demand cash, since they're long term based, for what they're getting paid interest. If they sell them, ownership changes, everything else, including terms stays the same.

If China sells everything, a panic begins and everyone rushes to sell everything and the stock market crashes and elevator shafts become full of economic geniuses like you

Google it, there are photos

How Much U.S. Debt Does China Own?

As of 2023, China owns more than $859.4 billion in U.S. debt. That's less than the U.S. debt owned by Japan and represents about 2.6% of the total U.S. debt. Learn more.

www.investopedia.com

First... There is over $25 Trillion in US bonds on the market.

China only owns $1.1 Trillion worth. How does 4% of the bonds going on sale, cause a panic? Seems unlikely.

Moreover, why would there be a panic regardless?

The only possible reason there would be a panic, is if they believed the US wasn't going to pay the bonds. China selling, or not selling their bonds, wouldn't cause people to think well obvious the US is going to default.

China has already drastically reduced their holdings of US bonds. It hasn't caused people to think we were going to default.

Lastly, even if there was a crisis in the bond market, which could happen with, or without China doing anything... that isn't likely to cause a stock market crash.

We already know this from what happened in the UK.

U.K. Bond Auction Fails for First Time in 14 Years - WSJ

www.wsj.com

The UK government already had a bond crisis back in 2009. The stock market was already depressed because of the Sub-prime crash, but the bond failure had virtually no effect.

And why would it? British companies that were profitable and selling, were still profitable and selling.

The bond crisis pretty much only affected the government... because obviously it was the government that was unable to get money from selling the bonds.

Now obviously how the government responds to the bond crisis could cause a stock market crash. Thankfully the UK engaged in austerity. If they had instead engaged in tax hikes across the country, the results could have wrecked companies, and that could have severely damaged the stock market for sure.

China only owns $1.1 Trillion worth. How does 4% of the bonds going on sale, cause a panic? Seems unlikely.

The US T-Bond market trades something like $500 billion a day.
Two days worth of typical sales......we're doomed!!!

Again if China demanded their money back this would signal an international panic and cause a stock market drop unlike any previously seen. No tech company could complete hardware if the Chinese restricted trade to the USA which would refer back to the drop that is still continuing, the unemployment would be real.

If you do not like it, or have some serious reason to pretend that the Chinks hold no leverage over the USA, continue on as you feel you must

Just remember I answer to no one, certainly not you or the children that you work with and for

Besides it's not like a disease could ever escape china and shut down the entire American economy and force the American military to pretend not to have raised the defcon level or launch missiles from the USS Barry

Enjoy

US Navy launches live-fire missiles in ‘warning to China’

Unusual drill in the Philippine Sea a signal to the PLA that American forces can counter advanced threats, military observers say.

www.scmp.com

Again if China demanded their money back this would signal an international panic

First, they can't "demand" their money back. They can hold their Treasuries until they mature, or they can sell them. In either case they end up with dollars. Which they can re-invest or use to buy some other currency. If they sell dollars and buy Euros, for instance, the weaker dollar helps our trade balance and hurts Chinese exports to the US.

And like I said, selling 2 days worth of Treasury volume, wouldn't do shit to our stock market.

No tech company could complete hardware if the Chinese restricted trade to the USA

China could certainly do that. Millions of unemployed Chinese probably wouldn't be a problem for them, they can just crush them with tanks, eh?

If you do not like it, or have some serious reason to pretend that the Chinks hold no leverage over the USA, continue on as you feel you must

Hey, if they want to harm their own, rickety, about to collapse economy, I sure can't stop them.

LOL you are ranting like a spoiled little child. You have a better chance of winning the powerball then getting hit by lightning twice in the same day than derailing me.........................

But don't stop trying as it seems to be giving purpose to your otherwise worthless existence

Calmly pointing out your idiocy isn't ranting.

Now about those $100 loaves of bread...…….hilarious!

I also saw a movie where the chinks completely shut down the entire American economy with a bat virus, tell us could that happen?

Continue wanking

130 vs 95

They didn't.
China did not shut down the entire US economy with a bat virus.

First, the entire economy isn't shut down. I've had 3 job offers in the past month. People are hiring. How are hiring if the "entire American economy" is shut down?

There plenty of companies operating. Plenty. You can say the economy is hindered... yes, it is hindered. Yes some companies are shut down. But not entire economy. Don't be ridiculous.

Second, China did not do it. The US government imposed lock down restrictions. It wasn't China.

We know that because they didn't shut down Sweden or Japan, or many others. Their government refused to engage in Draconian measures. Ours did.

China didn't do it.

Lastly, we don't yet know if it was an engineered virus or something. Is that possible? Yeah... but... I'm not going to jump to conspiracy theory conclusions without evidence.

Ok dude you stay there in la la land pretending that the American economy is not shut down because of a bat virus

I just ordered a Pizza from Donatos, and it was hot and fresh.

Please explain how if the entire economy is shut down, why I was able to do that.

Definition of ENTIRE

having no element or part left out : whole; complete in degree : total; consisting of one piece… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

But you go right on ignoring the 22,000,000 Americans that the Chinese bat virus put on unemployment

You said "entire" economy. I just ordered a pizza from a chain that has hired additional staff.

Entire.... means everything.

Yes.... or no.... is the "Entire" economy shut down? Yes or no. Answer the question.

So you are choosing to ignore the 22,000,000 Americans who lost their jobs due to the Chinese bat virus.

Your choice

 

[Andylusion]

I have been saying this from the start...this strain is faaaar faaaar too weak to justify this response. They know something. They know...and the next time it's really gonna kill people...a lot of people.

And that response continues to this day...So the threat must still exist!

Yeah, something doesn't add up. There is something that is just not right about this. Well, lots of somethings. We can't count on the media to ask, my God they are nothing but worthless, if not straight out harmful themselves.

We are at war with china, no one who knows this wants the conflict to escalate to millions of degrees

The Chinese have controlling interest in many of the media companies. We have paid for our own destruction. Through purchase of cheap plastic shit at big box America we have ensured our own destruction.

The chinese own a piece of the us federal reserve. If we sue them and win they could sell us treasuries and stock to pay us back and totally destroy our economy in the process

Why? Because the inmates are in charge

The chinese own a piece of the us federal reserve.

Baloney.

If we sue them and win they could sell us treasuries and stock to pay us back and totally destroy our economy in the process

Hilarious! And wrong.

Dude I own a piece of the federal reserve everyone who owns t bills does, China owns Trillions in t bills and more trillions in stock of American companies. None of this is speculative it's all fact. If China sold all of it's American assets our economy would dissipate and inflation would make a loaf of bread cost a hundred bucks at least

All in all we are fucked and idiots walking around in masks would all be better off dead

Dude I own a piece of the federal reserve

You're lying.

everyone who owns t bills does

T-bills are debt issued by the US Treasury, not the Fed.

China owns Trillions in t bills and more trillions in stock of American companies.

About $1.1 trillion in Treasuries. I doubt they own anywhere near that in us stocks.

If China sold all of it's American assets our economy would dissipate

Dissipate? What do you mean?

If you do not know what dissipate means ask your homeroom teacher who will instruct you to use a dictionary

T bills are issued by the treasury and are backed in gold bullion in the federal reserve.

Play on little one

If you do not know what dissipate means

I know what dissipate means.
I don't know what your claim about China selling assets causing our economy to dissipate means.

So explain it.

How does China selling $1 trillion in Treasuries cause our economy to evaporate, disappear, vanish?

T bills are issued by the treasury and are backed in gold bullion in the federal reserve.

T-bills aren't backed by gold.

She (assuming that esalla is she) doesn't know what's she's talking about.

First, Even if China sells assets, they do not disappear, someone has to buys them.
Second, they cannot just send them back and demand cash, since they're long term based, for what they're getting paid interest. If they sell them, ownership changes, everything else, including terms stays the same.

If China sells everything, a panic begins and everyone rushes to sell everything and the stock market crashes and elevator shafts become full of economic geniuses like you

Google it, there are photos

How Much U.S. Debt Does China Own?

As of 2023, China owns more than $859.4 billion in U.S. debt. That's less than the U.S. debt owned by Japan and represents about 2.6% of the total U.S. debt. Learn more.

www.investopedia.com

First... There is over $25 Trillion in US bonds on the market.

China only owns $1.1 Trillion worth. How does 4% of the bonds going on sale, cause a panic? Seems unlikely.

Moreover, why would there be a panic regardless?

The only possible reason there would be a panic, is if they believed the US wasn't going to pay the bonds. China selling, or not selling their bonds, wouldn't cause people to think well obvious the US is going to default.

China has already drastically reduced their holdings of US bonds. It hasn't caused people to think we were going to default.

Lastly, even if there was a crisis in the bond market, which could happen with, or without China doing anything... that isn't likely to cause a stock market crash.

We already know this from what happened in the UK.

U.K. Bond Auction Fails for First Time in 14 Years - WSJ

www.wsj.com

The UK government already had a bond crisis back in 2009. The stock market was already depressed because of the Sub-prime crash, but the bond failure had virtually no effect.

And why would it? British companies that were profitable and selling, were still profitable and selling.

The bond crisis pretty much only affected the government... because obviously it was the government that was unable to get money from selling the bonds.

Now obviously how the government responds to the bond crisis could cause a stock market crash. Thankfully the UK engaged in austerity. If they had instead engaged in tax hikes across the country, the results could have wrecked companies, and that could have severely damaged the stock market for sure.

China only owns $1.1 Trillion worth. How does 4% of the bonds going on sale, cause a panic? Seems unlikely.

The US T-Bond market trades something like $500 billion a day.
Two days worth of typical sales......we're doomed!!!

Again if China demanded their money back this would signal an international panic and cause a stock market drop unlike any previously seen. No tech company could complete hardware if the Chinese restricted trade to the USA which would refer back to the drop that is still continuing, the unemployment would be real.

If you do not like it, or have some serious reason to pretend that the Chinks hold no leverage over the USA, continue on as you feel you must

Just remember I answer to no one, certainly not you or the children that you work with and for

Besides it's not like a disease could ever escape china and shut down the entire American economy and force the American military to pretend not to have raised the defcon level or launch missiles from the USS Barry

Enjoy

US Navy launches live-fire missiles in ‘warning to China’

Unusual drill in the Philippine Sea a signal to the PLA that American forces can counter advanced threats, military observers say.

www.scmp.com

Again if China demanded their money back this would signal an international panic

First, they can't "demand" their money back. They can hold their Treasuries until they mature, or they can sell them. In either case they end up with dollars. Which they can re-invest or use to buy some other currency. If they sell dollars and buy Euros, for instance, the weaker dollar helps our trade balance and hurts Chinese exports to the US.

And like I said, selling 2 days worth of Treasury volume, wouldn't do shit to our stock market.

No tech company could complete hardware if the Chinese restricted trade to the USA

China could certainly do that. Millions of unemployed Chinese probably wouldn't be a problem for them, they can just crush them with tanks, eh?

If you do not like it, or have some serious reason to pretend that the Chinks hold no leverage over the USA, continue on as you feel you must

Hey, if they want to harm their own, rickety, about to collapse economy, I sure can't stop them.

LOL you are ranting like a spoiled little child. You have a better chance of winning the powerball then getting hit by lightning twice in the same day than derailing me.........................

But don't stop trying as it seems to be giving purpose to your otherwise worthless existence

Calmly pointing out your idiocy isn't ranting.

Now about those $100 loaves of bread...…….hilarious!

I also saw a movie where the chinks completely shut down the entire American economy with a bat virus, tell us could that happen?

Continue wanking

130 vs 95

They didn't.
China did not shut down the entire US economy with a bat virus.

First, the entire economy isn't shut down. I've had 3 job offers in the past month. People are hiring. How are hiring if the "entire American economy" is shut down?

There plenty of companies operating. Plenty. You can say the economy is hindered... yes, it is hindered. Yes some companies are shut down. But not entire economy. Don't be ridiculous.

Second, China did not do it. The US government imposed lock down restrictions. It wasn't China.

We know that because they didn't shut down Sweden or Japan, or many others. Their government refused to engage in Draconian measures. Ours did.

China didn't do it.

Lastly, we don't yet know if it was an engineered virus or something. Is that possible? Yeah... but... I'm not going to jump to conspiracy theory conclusions without evidence.

Ok dude you stay there in la la land pretending that the American economy is not shut down because of a bat virus

I just ordered a Pizza from Donatos, and it was hot and fresh.

Please explain how if the entire economy is shut down, why I was able to do that.

Definition of ENTIRE

having no element or part left out : whole; complete in degree : total; consisting of one piece… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

But you go right on ignoring the 22,000,000 Americans that the Chinese bat virus put on unemployment

You said "entire" economy. I just ordered a pizza from a chain that has hired additional staff.

Entire.... means everything.

Yes.... or no.... is the "Entire" economy shut down? Yes or no. Answer the question.

So you are choosing to ignore the 22,000,000 Americans who lost their jobs doe to the Chinese bot virus.

Your choice

You said entire economy. I bought a Pizza. Can you not answer the question I asked before?

Yes or no... is the ENTIRE economy closed?

 

[esalla]

I have been saying this from the start...this strain is faaaar faaaar too weak to justify this response. They know something. They know...and the next time it's really gonna kill people...a lot of people.

And that response continues to this day...So the threat must still exist!

Yeah, something doesn't add up. There is something that is just not right about this. Well, lots of somethings. We can't count on the media to ask, my God they are nothing but worthless, if not straight out harmful themselves.

We are at war with china, no one who knows this wants the conflict to escalate to millions of degrees

The Chinese have controlling interest in many of the media companies. We have paid for our own destruction. Through purchase of cheap plastic shit at big box America we have ensured our own destruction.

The chinese own a piece of the us federal reserve. If we sue them and win they could sell us treasuries and stock to pay us back and totally destroy our economy in the process

Why? Because the inmates are in charge

The chinese own a piece of the us federal reserve.

Baloney.

If we sue them and win they could sell us treasuries and stock to pay us back and totally destroy our economy in the process

Hilarious! And wrong.

Dude I own a piece of the federal reserve everyone who owns t bills does, China owns Trillions in t bills and more trillions in stock of American companies. None of this is speculative it's all fact. If China sold all of it's American assets our economy would dissipate and inflation would make a loaf of bread cost a hundred bucks at least

All in all we are fucked and idiots walking around in masks would all be better off dead

Dude I own a piece of the federal reserve

You're lying.

everyone who owns t bills does

T-bills are debt issued by the US Treasury, not the Fed.

China owns Trillions in t bills and more trillions in stock of American companies.

About $1.1 trillion in Treasuries. I doubt they own anywhere near that in us stocks.

If China sold all of it's American assets our economy would dissipate

Dissipate? What do you mean?

If you do not know what dissipate means ask your homeroom teacher who will instruct you to use a dictionary

T bills are issued by the treasury and are backed in gold bullion in the federal reserve.

Play on little one

If you do not know what dissipate means

I know what dissipate means.
I don't know what your claim about China selling assets causing our economy to dissipate means.

So explain it.

How does China selling $1 trillion in Treasuries cause our economy to evaporate, disappear, vanish?

T bills are issued by the treasury and are backed in gold bullion in the federal reserve.

T-bills aren't backed by gold.

She (assuming that esalla is she) doesn't know what's she's talking about.

First, Even if China sells assets, they do not disappear, someone has to buys them.
Second, they cannot just send them back and demand cash, since they're long term based, for what they're getting paid interest. If they sell them, ownership changes, everything else, including terms stays the same.

If China sells everything, a panic begins and everyone rushes to sell everything and the stock market crashes and elevator shafts become full of economic geniuses like you

Google it, there are photos

How Much U.S. Debt Does China Own?

As of 2023, China owns more than $859.4 billion in U.S. debt. That's less than the U.S. debt owned by Japan and represents about 2.6% of the total U.S. debt. Learn more.

www.investopedia.com

First... There is over $25 Trillion in US bonds on the market.

China only owns $1.1 Trillion worth. How does 4% of the bonds going on sale, cause a panic? Seems unlikely.

Moreover, why would there be a panic regardless?

The only possible reason there would be a panic, is if they believed the US wasn't going to pay the bonds. China selling, or not selling their bonds, wouldn't cause people to think well obvious the US is going to default.

China has already drastically reduced their holdings of US bonds. It hasn't caused people to think we were going to default.

Lastly, even if there was a crisis in the bond market, which could happen with, or without China doing anything... that isn't likely to cause a stock market crash.

We already know this from what happened in the UK.

U.K. Bond Auction Fails for First Time in 14 Years - WSJ

www.wsj.com

The UK government already had a bond crisis back in 2009. The stock market was already depressed because of the Sub-prime crash, but the bond failure had virtually no effect.

And why would it? British companies that were profitable and selling, were still profitable and selling.

The bond crisis pretty much only affected the government... because obviously it was the government that was unable to get money from selling the bonds.

Now obviously how the government responds to the bond crisis could cause a stock market crash. Thankfully the UK engaged in austerity. If they had instead engaged in tax hikes across the country, the results could have wrecked companies, and that could have severely damaged the stock market for sure.

China only owns $1.1 Trillion worth. How does 4% of the bonds going on sale, cause a panic? Seems unlikely.

The US T-Bond market trades something like $500 billion a day.
Two days worth of typical sales......we're doomed!!!

Again if China demanded their money back this would signal an international panic and cause a stock market drop unlike any previously seen. No tech company could complete hardware if the Chinese restricted trade to the USA which would refer back to the drop that is still continuing, the unemployment would be real.

If you do not like it, or have some serious reason to pretend that the Chinks hold no leverage over the USA, continue on as you feel you must

Just remember I answer to no one, certainly not you or the children that you work with and for

Besides it's not like a disease could ever escape china and shut down the entire American economy and force the American military to pretend not to have raised the defcon level or launch missiles from the USS Barry

Enjoy

US Navy launches live-fire missiles in ‘warning to China’

Unusual drill in the Philippine Sea a signal to the PLA that American forces can counter advanced threats, military observers say.

www.scmp.com

Again if China demanded their money back this would signal an international panic

First, they can't "demand" their money back. They can hold their Treasuries until they mature, or they can sell them. In either case they end up with dollars. Which they can re-invest or use to buy some other currency. If they sell dollars and buy Euros, for instance, the weaker dollar helps our trade balance and hurts Chinese exports to the US.

And like I said, selling 2 days worth of Treasury volume, wouldn't do shit to our stock market.

No tech company could complete hardware if the Chinese restricted trade to the USA

China could certainly do that. Millions of unemployed Chinese probably wouldn't be a problem for them, they can just crush them with tanks, eh?

If you do not like it, or have some serious reason to pretend that the Chinks hold no leverage over the USA, continue on as you feel you must

Hey, if they want to harm their own, rickety, about to collapse economy, I sure can't stop them.

LOL you are ranting like a spoiled little child. You have a better chance of winning the powerball then getting hit by lightning twice in the same day than derailing me.........................

But don't stop trying as it seems to be giving purpose to your otherwise worthless existence

Calmly pointing out your idiocy isn't ranting.

Now about those $100 loaves of bread...…….hilarious!

I also saw a movie where the chinks completely shut down the entire American economy with a bat virus, tell us could that happen?

Continue wanking

130 vs 95

They didn't.
China did not shut down the entire US economy with a bat virus.

First, the entire economy isn't shut down. I've had 3 job offers in the past month. People are hiring. How are hiring if the "entire American economy" is shut down?

There plenty of companies operating. Plenty. You can say the economy is hindered... yes, it is hindered. Yes some companies are shut down. But not entire economy. Don't be ridiculous.

Second, China did not do it. The US government imposed lock down restrictions. It wasn't China.

We know that because they didn't shut down Sweden or Japan, or many others. Their government refused to engage in Draconian measures. Ours did.

China didn't do it.

Lastly, we don't yet know if it was an engineered virus or something. Is that possible? Yeah... but... I'm not going to jump to conspiracy theory conclusions without evidence.

Ok dude you stay there in la la land pretending that the American economy is not shut down because of a bat virus

I just ordered a Pizza from Donatos, and it was hot and fresh.

Please explain how if the entire economy is shut down, why I was able to do that.

Definition of ENTIRE

having no element or part left out : whole; complete in degree : total; consisting of one piece… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

But you go right on ignoring the 22,000,000 Americans that the Chinese bat virus put on unemployment

You said "entire" economy. I just ordered a pizza from a chain that has hired additional staff.

Entire.... means everything.

Yes.... or no.... is the "Entire" economy shut down? Yes or no. Answer the question.

So you are choosing to ignore the 22,000,000 Americans who lost their jobs doe to the Chinese bot virus.

Your choice

You said entire economy. I bought a Pizza. Can you not answer the question I asked before?

Yes or no... is the ENTIRE economy closed?

You are like a three year old clapping that you got your pizza

I have been saying this from the start...this strain is faaaar faaaar too weak to justify this response. They know something. They know...and the next time it's really gonna kill people...a lot of people.

And that response continues to this day...So the threat must still exist!

Yeah, something doesn't add up. There is something that is just not right about this. Well, lots of somethings. We can't count on the media to ask, my God they are nothing but worthless, if not straight out harmful themselves.

We are at war with china, no one who knows this wants the conflict to escalate to millions of degrees

The Chinese have controlling interest in many of the media companies. We have paid for our own destruction. Through purchase of cheap plastic shit at big box America we have ensured our own destruction.

The chinese own a piece of the us federal reserve. If we sue them and win they could sell us treasuries and stock to pay us back and totally destroy our economy in the process

Why? Because the inmates are in charge

The chinese own a piece of the us federal reserve.

Baloney.

If we sue them and win they could sell us treasuries and stock to pay us back and totally destroy our economy in the process

Hilarious! And wrong.

Dude I own a piece of the federal reserve everyone who owns t bills does, China owns Trillions in t bills and more trillions in stock of American companies. None of this is speculative it's all fact. If China sold all of it's American assets our economy would dissipate and inflation would make a loaf of bread cost a hundred bucks at least

All in all we are fucked and idiots walking around in masks would all be better off dead

Dude I own a piece of the federal reserve

You're lying.

everyone who owns t bills does

T-bills are debt issued by the US Treasury, not the Fed.

China owns Trillions in t bills and more trillions in stock of American companies.

About $1.1 trillion in Treasuries. I doubt they own anywhere near that in us stocks.

If China sold all of it's American assets our economy would dissipate

Dissipate? What do you mean?

If you do not know what dissipate means ask your homeroom teacher who will instruct you to use a dictionary

T bills are issued by the treasury and are backed in gold bullion in the federal reserve.

Play on little one

If you do not know what dissipate means

I know what dissipate means.
I don't know what your claim about China selling assets causing our economy to dissipate means.

So explain it.

How does China selling $1 trillion in Treasuries cause our economy to evaporate, disappear, vanish?

T bills are issued by the treasury and are backed in gold bullion in the federal reserve.

T-bills aren't backed by gold.

She (assuming that esalla is she) doesn't know what's she's talking about.

First, Even if China sells assets, they do not disappear, someone has to buys them.
Second, they cannot just send them back and demand cash, since they're long term based, for what they're getting paid interest. If they sell them, ownership changes, everything else, including terms stays the same.

If China sells everything, a panic begins and everyone rushes to sell everything and the stock market crashes and elevator shafts become full of economic geniuses like you

Google it, there are photos

How Much U.S. Debt Does China Own?

As of 2023, China owns more than $859.4 billion in U.S. debt. That's less than the U.S. debt owned by Japan and represents about 2.6% of the total U.S. debt. Learn more.

www.investopedia.com

First... There is over $25 Trillion in US bonds on the market.

China only owns $1.1 Trillion worth. How does 4% of the bonds going on sale, cause a panic? Seems unlikely.

Moreover, why would there be a panic regardless?

The only possible reason there would be a panic, is if they believed the US wasn't going to pay the bonds. China selling, or not selling their bonds, wouldn't cause people to think well obvious the US is going to default.

China has already drastically reduced their holdings of US bonds. It hasn't caused people to think we were going to default.

Lastly, even if there was a crisis in the bond market, which could happen with, or without China doing anything... that isn't likely to cause a stock market crash.

We already know this from what happened in the UK.

U.K. Bond Auction Fails for First Time in 14 Years - WSJ

www.wsj.com

The UK government already had a bond crisis back in 2009. The stock market was already depressed because of the Sub-prime crash, but the bond failure had virtually no effect.

And why would it? British companies that were profitable and selling, were still profitable and selling.

The bond crisis pretty much only affected the government... because obviously it was the government that was unable to get money from selling the bonds.

Now obviously how the government responds to the bond crisis could cause a stock market crash. Thankfully the UK engaged in austerity. If they had instead engaged in tax hikes across the country, the results could have wrecked companies, and that could have severely damaged the stock market for sure.

China only owns $1.1 Trillion worth. How does 4% of the bonds going on sale, cause a panic? Seems unlikely.

The US T-Bond market trades something like $500 billion a day.
Two days worth of typical sales......we're doomed!!!

Again if China demanded their money back this would signal an international panic and cause a stock market drop unlike any previously seen. No tech company could complete hardware if the Chinese restricted trade to the USA which would refer back to the drop that is still continuing, the unemployment would be real.

If you do not like it, or have some serious reason to pretend that the Chinks hold no leverage over the USA, continue on as you feel you must

Just remember I answer to no one, certainly not you or the children that you work with and for

Besides it's not like a disease could ever escape china and shut down the entire American economy and force the American military to pretend not to have raised the defcon level or launch missiles from the USS Barry

Enjoy

US Navy launches live-fire missiles in ‘warning to China’

Unusual drill in the Philippine Sea a signal to the PLA that American forces can counter advanced threats, military observers say.

www.scmp.com

Again if China demanded their money back this would signal an international panic

First, they can't "demand" their money back. They can hold their Treasuries until they mature, or they can sell them. In either case they end up with dollars. Which they can re-invest or use to buy some other currency. If they sell dollars and buy Euros, for instance, the weaker dollar helps our trade balance and hurts Chinese exports to the US.

And like I said, selling 2 days worth of Treasury volume, wouldn't do shit to our stock market.

No tech company could complete hardware if the Chinese restricted trade to the USA

China could certainly do that. Millions of unemployed Chinese probably wouldn't be a problem for them, they can just crush them with tanks, eh?

If you do not like it, or have some serious reason to pretend that the Chinks hold no leverage over the USA, continue on as you feel you must

Hey, if they want to harm their own, rickety, about to collapse economy, I sure can't stop them.

LOL you are ranting like a spoiled little child. You have a better chance of winning the powerball then getting hit by lightning twice in the same day than derailing me.........................

But don't stop trying as it seems to be giving purpose to your otherwise worthless existence

Calmly pointing out your idiocy isn't ranting.

Now about those $100 loaves of bread...…….hilarious!

I also saw a movie where the chinks completely shut down the entire American economy with a bat virus, tell us could that happen?

Continue wanking

130 vs 95

They didn't.
China did not shut down the entire US economy with a bat virus.

First, the entire economy isn't shut down. I've had 3 job offers in the past month. People are hiring. How are hiring if the "entire American economy" is shut down?

There plenty of companies operating. Plenty. You can say the economy is hindered... yes, it is hindered. Yes some companies are shut down. But not entire economy. Don't be ridiculous.

Second, China did not do it. The US government imposed lock down restrictions. It wasn't China.

We know that because they didn't shut down Sweden or Japan, or many others. Their government refused to engage in Draconian measures. Ours did.

China didn't do it.

Lastly, we don't yet know if it was an engineered virus or something. Is that possible? Yeah... but... I'm not going to jump to conspiracy theory conclusions without evidence.

Ok dude you stay there in la la land pretending that the American economy is not shut down because of a bat virus

I just ordered a Pizza from Donatos, and it was hot and fresh.

Please explain how if the entire economy is shut down, why I was able to do that.

Definition of ENTIRE

having no element or part left out : whole; complete in degree : total; consisting of one piece… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

But you go right on ignoring the 22,000,000 Americans that the Chinese bat virus put on unemployment

You said "entire" economy. I just ordered a pizza from a chain that has hired additional staff.

Entire.... means everything.

Yes.... or no.... is the "Entire" economy shut down? Yes or no. Answer the question.

So you are choosing to ignore the 22,000,000 Americans who lost their jobs doe to the Chinese bot virus.

Your choice

You said entire economy. I bought a Pizza. Can you not answer the question I asked before?

Yes or no... is the ENTIRE economy closed?

You are like a three year old clapping that you got your pizza

Reporting you for violating forum rules.

So answer the question: You claimed the "Entire" US economy was shut down. I pointed out places are open and operating. As an example, I ordered a pizza today.

In fact I have in recent weeks, ordered many things, including a part for my clothes washer.

Answer the question: Is the entire US economy shut down?

Dude the USA shut down the economy, unemployment has never been this high.

 

[esalla]

I have been saying this from the start...this strain is faaaar faaaar too weak to justify this response. They know something. They know...and the next time it's really gonna kill people...a lot of people.

And that response continues to this day...So the threat must still exist!

Yeah, something doesn't add up. There is something that is just not right about this. Well, lots of somethings. We can't count on the media to ask, my God they are nothing but worthless, if not straight out harmful themselves.

We are at war with china, no one who knows this wants the conflict to escalate to millions of degrees

The Chinese have controlling interest in many of the media companies. We have paid for our own destruction. Through purchase of cheap plastic shit at big box America we have ensured our own destruction.

The chinese own a piece of the us federal reserve. If we sue them and win they could sell us treasuries and stock to pay us back and totally destroy our economy in the process

Why? Because the inmates are in charge

The chinese own a piece of the us federal reserve.

Baloney.

If we sue them and win they could sell us treasuries and stock to pay us back and totally destroy our economy in the process

Hilarious! And wrong.

Dude I own a piece of the federal reserve everyone who owns t bills does, China owns Trillions in t bills and more trillions in stock of American companies. None of this is speculative it's all fact. If China sold all of it's American assets our economy would dissipate and inflation would make a loaf of bread cost a hundred bucks at least

All in all we are fucked and idiots walking around in masks would all be better off dead

Dude I own a piece of the federal reserve

You're lying.

everyone who owns t bills does

T-bills are debt issued by the US Treasury, not the Fed.

China owns Trillions in t bills and more trillions in stock of American companies.

About $1.1 trillion in Treasuries. I doubt they own anywhere near that in us stocks.

If China sold all of it's American assets our economy would dissipate

Dissipate? What do you mean?

If you do not know what dissipate means ask your homeroom teacher who will instruct you to use a dictionary

T bills are issued by the treasury and are backed in gold bullion in the federal reserve.

Play on little one

If you do not know what dissipate means

I know what dissipate means.
I don't know what your claim about China selling assets causing our economy to dissipate means.

So explain it.

How does China selling $1 trillion in Treasuries cause our economy to evaporate, disappear, vanish?

T bills are issued by the treasury and are backed in gold bullion in the federal reserve.

T-bills aren't backed by gold.

She (assuming that esalla is she) doesn't know what's she's talking about.

First, Even if China sells assets, they do not disappear, someone has to buys them.
Second, they cannot just send them back and demand cash, since they're long term based, for what they're getting paid interest. If they sell them, ownership changes, everything else, including terms stays the same.

If China sells everything, a panic begins and everyone rushes to sell everything and the stock market crashes and elevator shafts become full of economic geniuses like you

Google it, there are photos

How Much U.S. Debt Does China Own?

As of 2023, China owns more than $859.4 billion in U.S. debt. That's less than the U.S. debt owned by Japan and represents about 2.6% of the total U.S. debt. Learn more.

www.investopedia.com

First... There is over $25 Trillion in US bonds on the market.

China only owns $1.1 Trillion worth. How does 4% of the bonds going on sale, cause a panic? Seems unlikely.

Moreover, why would there be a panic regardless?

The only possible reason there would be a panic, is if they believed the US wasn't going to pay the bonds. China selling, or not selling their bonds, wouldn't cause people to think well obvious the US is going to default.

China has already drastically reduced their holdings of US bonds. It hasn't caused people to think we were going to default.

Lastly, even if there was a crisis in the bond market, which could happen with, or without China doing anything... that isn't likely to cause a stock market crash.

We already know this from what happened in the UK.

U.K. Bond Auction Fails for First Time in 14 Years - WSJ

www.wsj.com

The UK government already had a bond crisis back in 2009. The stock market was already depressed because of the Sub-prime crash, but the bond failure had virtually no effect.

And why would it? British companies that were profitable and selling, were still profitable and selling.

The bond crisis pretty much only affected the government... because obviously it was the government that was unable to get money from selling the bonds.

Now obviously how the government responds to the bond crisis could cause a stock market crash. Thankfully the UK engaged in austerity. If they had instead engaged in tax hikes across the country, the results could have wrecked companies, and that could have severely damaged the stock market for sure.

China only owns $1.1 Trillion worth. How does 4% of the bonds going on sale, cause a panic? Seems unlikely.

The US T-Bond market trades something like $500 billion a day.
Two days worth of typical sales......we're doomed!!!

Again if China demanded their money back this would signal an international panic and cause a stock market drop unlike any previously seen. No tech company could complete hardware if the Chinese restricted trade to the USA which would refer back to the drop that is still continuing, the unemployment would be real.

If you do not like it, or have some serious reason to pretend that the Chinks hold no leverage over the USA, continue on as you feel you must

Just remember I answer to no one, certainly not you or the children that you work with and for

Besides it's not like a disease could ever escape china and shut down the entire American economy and force the American military to pretend not to have raised the defcon level or launch missiles from the USS Barry

Enjoy

US Navy launches live-fire missiles in ‘warning to China’

Unusual drill in the Philippine Sea a signal to the PLA that American forces can counter advanced threats, military observers say.

www.scmp.com

Again if China demanded their money back this would signal an international panic

First, they can't "demand" their money back. They can hold their Treasuries until they mature, or they can sell them. In either case they end up with dollars. Which they can re-invest or use to buy some other currency. If they sell dollars and buy Euros, for instance, the weaker dollar helps our trade balance and hurts Chinese exports to the US.

And like I said, selling 2 days worth of Treasury volume, wouldn't do shit to our stock market.

No tech company could complete hardware if the Chinese restricted trade to the USA

China could certainly do that. Millions of unemployed Chinese probably wouldn't be a problem for them, they can just crush them with tanks, eh?

If you do not like it, or have some serious reason to pretend that the Chinks hold no leverage over the USA, continue on as you feel you must

Hey, if they want to harm their own, rickety, about to collapse economy, I sure can't stop them.

LOL you are ranting like a spoiled little child. You have a better chance of winning the powerball then getting hit by lightning twice in the same day than derailing me.........................

But don't stop trying as it seems to be giving purpose to your otherwise worthless existence

Calmly pointing out your idiocy isn't ranting.

Now about those $100 loaves of bread...…….hilarious!

I also saw a movie where the chinks completely shut down the entire American economy with a bat virus, tell us could that happen?

Continue wanking

130 vs 95

They didn't.
China did not shut down the entire US economy with a bat virus.

First, the entire economy isn't shut down. I've had 3 job offers in the past month. People are hiring. How are hiring if the "entire American economy" is shut down?

There plenty of companies operating. Plenty. You can say the economy is hindered... yes, it is hindered. Yes some companies are shut down. But not entire economy. Don't be ridiculous.

Second, China did not do it. The US government imposed lock down restrictions. It wasn't China.

We know that because they didn't shut down Sweden or Japan, or many others. Their government refused to engage in Draconian measures. Ours did.

China didn't do it.

Lastly, we don't yet know if it was an engineered virus or something. Is that possible? Yeah... but... I'm not going to jump to conspiracy theory conclusions without evidence.

Ok dude you stay there in la la land pretending that the American economy is not shut down because of a bat virus

I just ordered a Pizza from Donatos, and it was hot and fresh.

Please explain how if the entire economy is shut down, why I was able to do that.

Definition of ENTIRE

having no element or part left out : whole; complete in degree : total; consisting of one piece… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

But you go right on ignoring the 22,000,000 Americans that the Chinese bat virus put on unemployment

You said "entire" economy. I just ordered a pizza from a chain that has hired additional staff.

Entire.... means everything.

Yes.... or no.... is the "Entire" economy shut down? Yes or no. Answer the question.

So you are choosing to ignore the 22,000,000 Americans who lost their jobs doe to the Chinese bot virus.

Your choice

You said entire economy. I bought a Pizza. Can you not answer the question I asked before?

Yes or no... is the ENTIRE economy closed?

Argue with the NY Times not me

The U.S. Shut Down Its Economy. Here’s What Needs to Happen in Order to Restart.
Whole sectors of the United States economy have gone dark to slow the spread of the coronavirus. Here’s what comes next.

The U.S. Shut Down Its Economy. Here’s What Needs to Happen in Order to Restart. (Published 2020)

Whole sectors of the United States economy have gone dark to slow the spread of the coronavirus. Here’s what comes next.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Andylusion]

I have been saying this from the start...this strain is faaaar faaaar too weak to justify this response. They know something. They know...and the next time it's really gonna kill people...a lot of people.

And that response continues to this day...So the threat must still exist!

Yeah, something doesn't add up. There is something that is just not right about this. Well, lots of somethings. We can't count on the media to ask, my God they are nothing but worthless, if not straight out harmful themselves.

We are at war with china, no one who knows this wants the conflict to escalate to millions of degrees

The Chinese have controlling interest in many of the media companies. We have paid for our own destruction. Through purchase of cheap plastic shit at big box America we have ensured our own destruction.

The chinese own a piece of the us federal reserve. If we sue them and win they could sell us treasuries and stock to pay us back and totally destroy our economy in the process

Why? Because the inmates are in charge

The chinese own a piece of the us federal reserve.

Baloney.

If we sue them and win they could sell us treasuries and stock to pay us back and totally destroy our economy in the process

Hilarious! And wrong.

Dude I own a piece of the federal reserve everyone who owns t bills does, China owns Trillions in t bills and more trillions in stock of American companies. None of this is speculative it's all fact. If China sold all of it's American assets our economy would dissipate and inflation would make a loaf of bread cost a hundred bucks at least

All in all we are fucked and idiots walking around in masks would all be better off dead

Dude I own a piece of the federal reserve

You're lying.

everyone who owns t bills does

T-bills are debt issued by the US Treasury, not the Fed.

China owns Trillions in t bills and more trillions in stock of American companies.

About $1.1 trillion in Treasuries. I doubt they own anywhere near that in us stocks.

If China sold all of it's American assets our economy would dissipate

Dissipate? What do you mean?

If you do not know what dissipate means ask your homeroom teacher who will instruct you to use a dictionary

T bills are issued by the treasury and are backed in gold bullion in the federal reserve.

Play on little one

If you do not know what dissipate means

I know what dissipate means.
I don't know what your claim about China selling assets causing our economy to dissipate means.

So explain it.

How does China selling $1 trillion in Treasuries cause our economy to evaporate, disappear, vanish?

T bills are issued by the treasury and are backed in gold bullion in the federal reserve.

T-bills aren't backed by gold.

She (assuming that esalla is she) doesn't know what's she's talking about.

First, Even if China sells assets, they do not disappear, someone has to buys them.
Second, they cannot just send them back and demand cash, since they're long term based, for what they're getting paid interest. If they sell them, ownership changes, everything else, including terms stays the same.

If China sells everything, a panic begins and everyone rushes to sell everything and the stock market crashes and elevator shafts become full of economic geniuses like you

Google it, there are photos

How Much U.S. Debt Does China Own?

As of 2023, China owns more than $859.4 billion in U.S. debt. That's less than the U.S. debt owned by Japan and represents about 2.6% of the total U.S. debt. Learn more.

www.investopedia.com

First... There is over $25 Trillion in US bonds on the market.

China only owns $1.1 Trillion worth. How does 4% of the bonds going on sale, cause a panic? Seems unlikely.

Moreover, why would there be a panic regardless?

The only possible reason there would be a panic, is if they believed the US wasn't going to pay the bonds. China selling, or not selling their bonds, wouldn't cause people to think well obvious the US is going to default.

China has already drastically reduced their holdings of US bonds. It hasn't caused people to think we were going to default.

Lastly, even if there was a crisis in the bond market, which could happen with, or without China doing anything... that isn't likely to cause a stock market crash.

We already know this from what happened in the UK.

U.K. Bond Auction Fails for First Time in 14 Years - WSJ

www.wsj.com

The UK government already had a bond crisis back in 2009. The stock market was already depressed because of the Sub-prime crash, but the bond failure had virtually no effect.

And why would it? British companies that were profitable and selling, were still profitable and selling.

The bond crisis pretty much only affected the government... because obviously it was the government that was unable to get money from selling the bonds.

Now obviously how the government responds to the bond crisis could cause a stock market crash. Thankfully the UK engaged in austerity. If they had instead engaged in tax hikes across the country, the results could have wrecked companies, and that could have severely damaged the stock market for sure.

China only owns $1.1 Trillion worth. How does 4% of the bonds going on sale, cause a panic? Seems unlikely.

The US T-Bond market trades something like $500 billion a day.
Two days worth of typical sales......we're doomed!!!

Again if China demanded their money back this would signal an international panic and cause a stock market drop unlike any previously seen. No tech company could complete hardware if the Chinese restricted trade to the USA which would refer back to the drop that is still continuing, the unemployment would be real.

If you do not like it, or have some serious reason to pretend that the Chinks hold no leverage over the USA, continue on as you feel you must

Just remember I answer to no one, certainly not you or the children that you work with and for

Besides it's not like a disease could ever escape china and shut down the entire American economy and force the American military to pretend not to have raised the defcon level or launch missiles from the USS Barry

Enjoy

US Navy launches live-fire missiles in ‘warning to China’

Unusual drill in the Philippine Sea a signal to the PLA that American forces can counter advanced threats, military observers say.

www.scmp.com

Again if China demanded their money back this would signal an international panic

First, they can't "demand" their money back. They can hold their Treasuries until they mature, or they can sell them. In either case they end up with dollars. Which they can re-invest or use to buy some other currency. If they sell dollars and buy Euros, for instance, the weaker dollar helps our trade balance and hurts Chinese exports to the US.

And like I said, selling 2 days worth of Treasury volume, wouldn't do shit to our stock market.

No tech company could complete hardware if the Chinese restricted trade to the USA

China could certainly do that. Millions of unemployed Chinese probably wouldn't be a problem for them, they can just crush them with tanks, eh?

If you do not like it, or have some serious reason to pretend that the Chinks hold no leverage over the USA, continue on as you feel you must

Hey, if they want to harm their own, rickety, about to collapse economy, I sure can't stop them.

LOL you are ranting like a spoiled little child. You have a better chance of winning the powerball then getting hit by lightning twice in the same day than derailing me.........................

But don't stop trying as it seems to be giving purpose to your otherwise worthless existence

Calmly pointing out your idiocy isn't ranting.

Now about those $100 loaves of bread...…….hilarious!

I also saw a movie where the chinks completely shut down the entire American economy with a bat virus, tell us could that happen?

Continue wanking

130 vs 95

They didn't.
China did not shut down the entire US economy with a bat virus.

First, the entire economy isn't shut down. I've had 3 job offers in the past month. People are hiring. How are hiring if the "entire American economy" is shut down?

There plenty of companies operating. Plenty. You can say the economy is hindered... yes, it is hindered. Yes some companies are shut down. But not entire economy. Don't be ridiculous.

Second, China did not do it. The US government imposed lock down restrictions. It wasn't China.

We know that because they didn't shut down Sweden or Japan, or many others. Their government refused to engage in Draconian measures. Ours did.

China didn't do it.

Lastly, we don't yet know if it was an engineered virus or something. Is that possible? Yeah... but... I'm not going to jump to conspiracy theory conclusions without evidence.

Ok dude you stay there in la la land pretending that the American economy is not shut down because of a bat virus

I just ordered a Pizza from Donatos, and it was hot and fresh.

Please explain how if the entire economy is shut down, why I was able to do that.

Definition of ENTIRE

having no element or part left out : whole; complete in degree : total; consisting of one piece… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

But you go right on ignoring the 22,000,000 Americans that the Chinese bat virus put on unemployment

You said "entire" economy. I just ordered a pizza from a chain that has hired additional staff.

Entire.... means everything.

Yes.... or no.... is the "Entire" economy shut down? Yes or no. Answer the question.

So you are choosing to ignore the 22,000,000 Americans who lost their jobs doe to the Chinese bot virus.

Your choice

You said entire economy. I bought a Pizza. Can you not answer the question I asked before?

Yes or no... is the ENTIRE economy closed?

Argue with the NY Times not me

The U.S. Shut Down Its Economy. Here’s What Needs to Happen in Order to Restart.
Whole sectors of the United States economy have gone dark to slow the spread of the coronavirus. Here’s what comes next.

The U.S. Shut Down Its Economy. Here’s What Needs to Happen in Order to Restart. (Published 2020)

Whole sectors of the United States economy have gone dark to slow the spread of the coronavirus. Here’s what comes next.

www.nytimes.com

No, I'm not talking to the fake news agencies.... which by the way, proves my point. If the NYT is paying reporters and writers, to make article talking about the economy being shut down... then economy is not entirely shut down is it?

CNN is still on the air (for G-d only knows why). So are all the major networks.

How is that possible, if the "ENTIRE" economy is shut down? News agencies are not part of the economy? Health care isn't part of the economy? Food companies are not part of the economy? Of course they all are.

The fact you can site that article alone, is proof your claim was false.

(I'll keep going on this as long as you like)

 

[esalla]

I have been saying this from the start...this strain is faaaar faaaar too weak to justify this response. They know something. They know...and the next time it's really gonna kill people...a lot of people.

And that response continues to this day...So the threat must still exist!

Yeah, something doesn't add up. There is something that is just not right about this. Well, lots of somethings. We can't count on the media to ask, my God they are nothing but worthless, if not straight out harmful themselves.

We are at war with china, no one who knows this wants the conflict to escalate to millions of degrees

The Chinese have controlling interest in many of the media companies. We have paid for our own destruction. Through purchase of cheap plastic shit at big box America we have ensured our own destruction.

The chinese own a piece of the us federal reserve. If we sue them and win they could sell us treasuries and stock to pay us back and totally destroy our economy in the process

Why? Because the inmates are in charge

The chinese own a piece of the us federal reserve.

Baloney.

If we sue them and win they could sell us treasuries and stock to pay us back and totally destroy our economy in the process

Hilarious! And wrong.

Dude I own a piece of the federal reserve everyone who owns t bills does, China owns Trillions in t bills and more trillions in stock of American companies. None of this is speculative it's all fact. If China sold all of it's American assets our economy would dissipate and inflation would make a loaf of bread cost a hundred bucks at least

All in all we are fucked and idiots walking around in masks would all be better off dead

Dude I own a piece of the federal reserve

You're lying.

everyone who owns t bills does

T-bills are debt issued by the US Treasury, not the Fed.

China owns Trillions in t bills and more trillions in stock of American companies.

About $1.1 trillion in Treasuries. I doubt they own anywhere near that in us stocks.

If China sold all of it's American assets our economy would dissipate

Dissipate? What do you mean?

If you do not know what dissipate means ask your homeroom teacher who will instruct you to use a dictionary

T bills are issued by the treasury and are backed in gold bullion in the federal reserve.

Play on little one

If you do not know what dissipate means

I know what dissipate means.
I don't know what your claim about China selling assets causing our economy to dissipate means.

So explain it.

How does China selling $1 trillion in Treasuries cause our economy to evaporate, disappear, vanish?

T bills are issued by the treasury and are backed in gold bullion in the federal reserve.

T-bills aren't backed by gold.

She (assuming that esalla is she) doesn't know what's she's talking about.

First, Even if China sells assets, they do not disappear, someone has to buys them.
Second, they cannot just send them back and demand cash, since they're long term based, for what they're getting paid interest. If they sell them, ownership changes, everything else, including terms stays the same.

If China sells everything, a panic begins and everyone rushes to sell everything and the stock market crashes and elevator shafts become full of economic geniuses like you

Google it, there are photos

How Much U.S. Debt Does China Own?

As of 2023, China owns more than $859.4 billion in U.S. debt. That's less than the U.S. debt owned by Japan and represents about 2.6% of the total U.S. debt. Learn more.

www.investopedia.com

First... There is over $25 Trillion in US bonds on the market.

China only owns $1.1 Trillion worth. How does 4% of the bonds going on sale, cause a panic? Seems unlikely.

Moreover, why would there be a panic regardless?

The only possible reason there would be a panic, is if they believed the US wasn't going to pay the bonds. China selling, or not selling their bonds, wouldn't cause people to think well obvious the US is going to default.

China has already drastically reduced their holdings of US bonds. It hasn't caused people to think we were going to default.

Lastly, even if there was a crisis in the bond market, which could happen with, or without China doing anything... that isn't likely to cause a stock market crash.

We already know this from what happened in the UK.

U.K. Bond Auction Fails for First Time in 14 Years - WSJ

www.wsj.com

The UK government already had a bond crisis back in 2009. The stock market was already depressed because of the Sub-prime crash, but the bond failure had virtually no effect.

And why would it? British companies that were profitable and selling, were still profitable and selling.

The bond crisis pretty much only affected the government... because obviously it was the government that was unable to get money from selling the bonds.

Now obviously how the government responds to the bond crisis could cause a stock market crash. Thankfully the UK engaged in austerity. If they had instead engaged in tax hikes across the country, the results could have wrecked companies, and that could have severely damaged the stock market for sure.

China only owns $1.1 Trillion worth. How does 4% of the bonds going on sale, cause a panic? Seems unlikely.

The US T-Bond market trades something like $500 billion a day.
Two days worth of typical sales......we're doomed!!!

Again if China demanded their money back this would signal an international panic and cause a stock market drop unlike any previously seen. No tech company could complete hardware if the Chinese restricted trade to the USA which would refer back to the drop that is still continuing, the unemployment would be real.

If you do not like it, or have some serious reason to pretend that the Chinks hold no leverage over the USA, continue on as you feel you must

Just remember I answer to no one, certainly not you or the children that you work with and for

Besides it's not like a disease could ever escape china and shut down the entire American economy and force the American military to pretend not to have raised the defcon level or launch missiles from the USS Barry

Enjoy

US Navy launches live-fire missiles in ‘warning to China’

Unusual drill in the Philippine Sea a signal to the PLA that American forces can counter advanced threats, military observers say.

www.scmp.com

Again if China demanded their money back this would signal an international panic

First, they can't "demand" their money back. They can hold their Treasuries until they mature, or they can sell them. In either case they end up with dollars. Which they can re-invest or use to buy some other currency. If they sell dollars and buy Euros, for instance, the weaker dollar helps our trade balance and hurts Chinese exports to the US.

And like I said, selling 2 days worth of Treasury volume, wouldn't do shit to our stock market.

No tech company could complete hardware if the Chinese restricted trade to the USA

China could certainly do that. Millions of unemployed Chinese probably wouldn't be a problem for them, they can just crush them with tanks, eh?

If you do not like it, or have some serious reason to pretend that the Chinks hold no leverage over the USA, continue on as you feel you must

Hey, if they want to harm their own, rickety, about to collapse economy, I sure can't stop them.

LOL you are ranting like a spoiled little child. You have a better chance of winning the powerball then getting hit by lightning twice in the same day than derailing me.........................

But don't stop trying as it seems to be giving purpose to your otherwise worthless existence

Calmly pointing out your idiocy isn't ranting.

Now about those $100 loaves of bread...…….hilarious!

I also saw a movie where the chinks completely shut down the entire American economy with a bat virus, tell us could that happen?

Continue wanking

130 vs 95

They didn't.
China did not shut down the entire US economy with a bat virus.

First, the entire economy isn't shut down. I've had 3 job offers in the past month. People are hiring. How are hiring if the "entire American economy" is shut down?

There plenty of companies operating. Plenty. You can say the economy is hindered... yes, it is hindered. Yes some companies are shut down. But not entire economy. Don't be ridiculous.

Second, China did not do it. The US government imposed lock down restrictions. It wasn't China.

We know that because they didn't shut down Sweden or Japan, or many others. Their government refused to engage in Draconian measures. Ours did.

China didn't do it.

Lastly, we don't yet know if it was an engineered virus or something. Is that possible? Yeah... but... I'm not going to jump to conspiracy theory conclusions without evidence.

Ok dude you stay there in la la land pretending that the American economy is not shut down because of a bat virus

I just ordered a Pizza from Donatos, and it was hot and fresh.

Please explain how if the entire economy is shut down, why I was able to do that.

Definition of ENTIRE

having no element or part left out : whole; complete in degree : total; consisting of one piece… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

But you go right on ignoring the 22,000,000 Americans that the Chinese bat virus put on unemployment

You said "entire" economy. I just ordered a pizza from a chain that has hired additional staff.

Entire.... means everything.

Yes.... or no.... is the "Entire" economy shut down? Yes or no. Answer the question.

So you are choosing to ignore the 22,000,000 Americans who lost their jobs doe to the Chinese bot virus.

Your choice

You said entire economy. I bought a Pizza. Can you not answer the question I asked before?

Yes or no... is the ENTIRE economy closed?

Argue with the NY Times not me

The U.S. Shut Down Its Economy. Here’s What Needs to Happen in Order to Restart.
Whole sectors of the United States economy have gone dark to slow the spread of the coronavirus. Here’s what comes next.

The U.S. Shut Down Its Economy. Here’s What Needs to Happen in Order to Restart. (Published 2020)

Whole sectors of the United States economy have gone dark to slow the spread of the coronavirus. Here’s what comes next.

www.nytimes.com

No, I'm not talking to the fake news agencies.... which by the way, proves my point. If the NYT is paying reporters and writers, to make article talking about the economy being shut down... then economy is not entirely shut down is it?

CNN is still on the air (for G-d only knows why). So are all the major networks.

How is that possible, if the "ENTIRE" economy is shut down? News agencies are not part of the economy? Health care isn't part of the economy? Food companies are not part of the economy? Of course they all are.

The fact you can site that article alone, is proof your claim was false.

(I'll keep going on this as long as you like)

Tell us more about how there are really not 22,000,000 unemployed people in the USA as a result of the Chinese bat virus

The Economy Can't Stay Shut Down Forever, So What's the Plan?

We have to know the path out of this, and we need it right now.

www.redstate.com

 

[beagle9]

I have been saying this from the start...this strain is faaaar faaaar too weak to justify this response. They know something. They know...and the next time it's really gonna kill people...a lot of people.

And that response continues to this day...So the threat must still exist!

Yeah, something doesn't add up. There is something that is just not right about this. Well, lots of somethings. We can't count on the media to ask, my God they are nothing but worthless, if not straight out harmful themselves.

We are at war with china, no one who knows this wants the conflict to escalate to millions of degrees

The Chinese have controlling interest in many of the media companies. We have paid for our own destruction. Through purchase of cheap plastic shit at big box America we have ensured our own destruction.

The chinese own a piece of the us federal reserve. If we sue them and win they could sell us treasuries and stock to pay us back and totally destroy our economy in the process

Why? Because the inmates are in charge

The chinese own a piece of the us federal reserve.

Baloney.

If we sue them and win they could sell us treasuries and stock to pay us back and totally destroy our economy in the process

Hilarious! And wrong.

Dude I own a piece of the federal reserve everyone who owns t bills does, China owns Trillions in t bills and more trillions in stock of American companies. None of this is speculative it's all fact. If China sold all of it's American assets our economy would dissipate and inflation would make a loaf of bread cost a hundred bucks at least

All in all we are fucked and idiots walking around in masks would all be better off dead

Dude I own a piece of the federal reserve

You're lying.

everyone who owns t bills does

T-bills are debt issued by the US Treasury, not the Fed.

China owns Trillions in t bills and more trillions in stock of American companies.

About $1.1 trillion in Treasuries. I doubt they own anywhere near that in us stocks.

If China sold all of it's American assets our economy would dissipate

Dissipate? What do you mean?

If you do not know what dissipate means ask your homeroom teacher who will instruct you to use a dictionary

T bills are issued by the treasury and are backed in gold bullion in the federal reserve.

Play on little one

If you do not know what dissipate means

I know what dissipate means.
I don't know what your claim about China selling assets causing our economy to dissipate means.

So explain it.

How does China selling $1 trillion in Treasuries cause our economy to evaporate, disappear, vanish?

T bills are issued by the treasury and are backed in gold bullion in the federal reserve.

T-bills aren't backed by gold.

She (assuming that esalla is she) doesn't know what's she's talking about.

First, Even if China sells assets, they do not disappear, someone has to buys them.
Second, they cannot just send them back and demand cash, since they're long term based, for what they're getting paid interest. If they sell them, ownership changes, everything else, including terms stays the same.

If China sells everything, a panic begins and everyone rushes to sell everything and the stock market crashes and elevator shafts become full of economic geniuses like you

Google it, there are photos

How Much U.S. Debt Does China Own?

As of 2023, China owns more than $859.4 billion in U.S. debt. That's less than the U.S. debt owned by Japan and represents about 2.6% of the total U.S. debt. Learn more.

www.investopedia.com

First... There is over $25 Trillion in US bonds on the market.

China only owns $1.1 Trillion worth. How does 4% of the bonds going on sale, cause a panic? Seems unlikely.

Moreover, why would there be a panic regardless?

The only possible reason there would be a panic, is if they believed the US wasn't going to pay the bonds. China selling, or not selling their bonds, wouldn't cause people to think well obvious the US is going to default.

China has already drastically reduced their holdings of US bonds. It hasn't caused people to think we were going to default.

Lastly, even if there was a crisis in the bond market, which could happen with, or without China doing anything... that isn't likely to cause a stock market crash.

We already know this from what happened in the UK.

U.K. Bond Auction Fails for First Time in 14 Years - WSJ

www.wsj.com

The UK government already had a bond crisis back in 2009. The stock market was already depressed because of the Sub-prime crash, but the bond failure had virtually no effect.

And why would it? British companies that were profitable and selling, were still profitable and selling.

The bond crisis pretty much only affected the government... because obviously it was the government that was unable to get money from selling the bonds.

Now obviously how the government responds to the bond crisis could cause a stock market crash. Thankfully the UK engaged in austerity. If they had instead engaged in tax hikes across the country, the results could have wrecked companies, and that could have severely damaged the stock market for sure.

China only owns $1.1 Trillion worth. How does 4% of the bonds going on sale, cause a panic? Seems unlikely.

The US T-Bond market trades something like $500 billion a day.
Two days worth of typical sales......we're doomed!!!

Again if China demanded their money back this would signal an international panic and cause a stock market drop unlike any previously seen. No tech company could complete hardware if the Chinese restricted trade to the USA which would refer back to the drop that is still continuing, the unemployment would be real.

If you do not like it, or have some serious reason to pretend that the Chinks hold no leverage over the USA, continue on as you feel you must

Just remember I answer to no one, certainly not you or the children that you work with and for

Besides it's not like a disease could ever escape china and shut down the entire American economy and force the American military to pretend not to have raised the defcon level or launch missiles from the USS Barry

Enjoy

US Navy launches live-fire missiles in ‘warning to China’

Unusual drill in the Philippine Sea a signal to the PLA that American forces can counter advanced threats, military observers say.

www.scmp.com

Again if China demanded their money back this would signal an international panic

First, they can't "demand" their money back. They can hold their Treasuries until they mature, or they can sell them. In either case they end up with dollars. Which they can re-invest or use to buy some other currency. If they sell dollars and buy Euros, for instance, the weaker dollar helps our trade balance and hurts Chinese exports to the US.

And like I said, selling 2 days worth of Treasury volume, wouldn't do shit to our stock market.

No tech company could complete hardware if the Chinese restricted trade to the USA

China could certainly do that. Millions of unemployed Chinese probably wouldn't be a problem for them, they can just crush them with tanks, eh?

If you do not like it, or have some serious reason to pretend that the Chinks hold no leverage over the USA, continue on as you feel you must

Hey, if they want to harm their own, rickety, about to collapse economy, I sure can't stop them.

LOL you are ranting like a spoiled little child. You have a better chance of winning the powerball then getting hit by lightning twice in the same day than derailing me.........................

But don't stop trying as it seems to be giving purpose to your otherwise worthless existence

Calmly pointing out your idiocy isn't ranting.

Now about those $100 loaves of bread...…….hilarious!

I also saw a movie where the chinks completely shut down the entire American economy with a bat virus, tell us could that happen?

Continue wanking

130 vs 95

They didn't.
China did not shut down the entire US economy with a bat virus.

First, the entire economy isn't shut down. I've had 3 job offers in the past month. People are hiring. How are hiring if the "entire American economy" is shut down?

There plenty of companies operating. Plenty. You can say the economy is hindered... yes, it is hindered. Yes some companies are shut down. But not entire economy. Don't be ridiculous.

Second, China did not do it. The US government imposed lock down restrictions. It wasn't China.

We know that because they didn't shut down Sweden or Japan, or many others. Their government refused to engage in Draconian measures. Ours did.

China didn't do it.

Lastly, we don't yet know if it was an engineered virus or something. Is that possible? Yeah... but... I'm not going to jump to conspiracy theory conclusions without evidence.

Ok dude you stay there in la la land pretending that the American economy is not shut down because of a bat virus

I just ordered a Pizza from Donatos, and it was hot and fresh.

Please explain how if the entire economy is shut down, why I was able to do that.

Definition of ENTIRE

having no element or part left out : whole; complete in degree : total; consisting of one piece… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

But you go right on ignoring the 22,000,000 Americans that the Chinese bat virus put on unemployment

You said "entire" economy. I just ordered a pizza from a chain that has hired additional staff.

Entire.... means everything.

Yes.... or no.... is the "Entire" economy shut down? Yes or no. Answer the question.

So you are choosing to ignore the 22,000,000 Americans who lost their jobs doe to the Chinese bot virus.

Your choice

You said entire economy. I bought a Pizza. Can you not answer the question I asked before?

Yes or no... is the ENTIRE economy closed?

You are like a three year old clapping that you got your pizza

I have been saying this from the start...this strain is faaaar faaaar too weak to justify this response. They know something. They know...and the next time it's really gonna kill people...a lot of people.

And that response continues to this day...So the threat must still exist!

Yeah, something doesn't add up. There is something that is just not right about this. Well, lots of somethings. We can't count on the media to ask, my God they are nothing but worthless, if not straight out harmful themselves.

We are at war with china, no one who knows this wants the conflict to escalate to millions of degrees

The Chinese have controlling interest in many of the media companies. We have paid for our own destruction. Through purchase of cheap plastic shit at big box America we have ensured our own destruction.

The chinese own a piece of the us federal reserve. If we sue them and win they could sell us treasuries and stock to pay us back and totally destroy our economy in the process

Why? Because the inmates are in charge

The chinese own a piece of the us federal reserve.

Baloney.

If we sue them and win they could sell us treasuries and stock to pay us back and totally destroy our economy in the process

Hilarious! And wrong.

Dude I own a piece of the federal reserve everyone who owns t bills does, China owns Trillions in t bills and more trillions in stock of American companies. None of this is speculative it's all fact. If China sold all of it's American assets our economy would dissipate and inflation would make a loaf of bread cost a hundred bucks at least

All in all we are fucked and idiots walking around in masks would all be better off dead

Dude I own a piece of the federal reserve

You're lying.

everyone who owns t bills does

T-bills are debt issued by the US Treasury, not the Fed.

China owns Trillions in t bills and more trillions in stock of American companies.

About $1.1 trillion in Treasuries. I doubt they own anywhere near that in us stocks.

If China sold all of it's American assets our economy would dissipate

Dissipate? What do you mean?

If you do not know what dissipate means ask your homeroom teacher who will instruct you to use a dictionary

T bills are issued by the treasury and are backed in gold bullion in the federal reserve.

Play on little one

If you do not know what dissipate means

I know what dissipate means.
I don't know what your claim about China selling assets causing our economy to dissipate means.

So explain it.

How does China selling $1 trillion in Treasuries cause our economy to evaporate, disappear, vanish?

T bills are issued by the treasury and are backed in gold bullion in the federal reserve.

T-bills aren't backed by gold.

She (assuming that esalla is she) doesn't know what's she's talking about.

First, Even if China sells assets, they do not disappear, someone has to buys them.
Second, they cannot just send them back and demand cash, since they're long term based, for what they're getting paid interest. If they sell them, ownership changes, everything else, including terms stays the same.

If China sells everything, a panic begins and everyone rushes to sell everything and the stock market crashes and elevator shafts become full of economic geniuses like you

Google it, there are photos

How Much U.S. Debt Does China Own?

As of 2023, China owns more than $859.4 billion in U.S. debt. That's less than the U.S. debt owned by Japan and represents about 2.6% of the total U.S. debt. Learn more.

www.investopedia.com

First... There is over $25 Trillion in US bonds on the market.

China only owns $1.1 Trillion worth. How does 4% of the bonds going on sale, cause a panic? Seems unlikely.

Moreover, why would there be a panic regardless?

The only possible reason there would be a panic, is if they believed the US wasn't going to pay the bonds. China selling, or not selling their bonds, wouldn't cause people to think well obvious the US is going to default.

China has already drastically reduced their holdings of US bonds. It hasn't caused people to think we were going to default.

Lastly, even if there was a crisis in the bond market, which could happen with, or without China doing anything... that isn't likely to cause a stock market crash.

We already know this from what happened in the UK.

U.K. Bond Auction Fails for First Time in 14 Years - WSJ

www.wsj.com

The UK government already had a bond crisis back in 2009. The stock market was already depressed because of the Sub-prime crash, but the bond failure had virtually no effect.

And why would it? British companies that were profitable and selling, were still profitable and selling.

The bond crisis pretty much only affected the government... because obviously it was the government that was unable to get money from selling the bonds.

Now obviously how the government responds to the bond crisis could cause a stock market crash. Thankfully the UK engaged in austerity. If they had instead engaged in tax hikes across the country, the results could have wrecked companies, and that could have severely damaged the stock market for sure.

China only owns $1.1 Trillion worth. How does 4% of the bonds going on sale, cause a panic? Seems unlikely.

The US T-Bond market trades something like $500 billion a day.
Two days worth of typical sales......we're doomed!!!

Again if China demanded their money back this would signal an international panic and cause a stock market drop unlike any previously seen. No tech company could complete hardware if the Chinese restricted trade to the USA which would refer back to the drop that is still continuing, the unemployment would be real.

If you do not like it, or have some serious reason to pretend that the Chinks hold no leverage over the USA, continue on as you feel you must

Just remember I answer to no one, certainly not you or the children that you work with and for

Besides it's not like a disease could ever escape china and shut down the entire American economy and force the American military to pretend not to have raised the defcon level or launch missiles from the USS Barry

Enjoy

US Navy launches live-fire missiles in ‘warning to China’

Unusual drill in the Philippine Sea a signal to the PLA that American forces can counter advanced threats, military observers say.

www.scmp.com

Again if China demanded their money back this would signal an international panic

First, they can't "demand" their money back. They can hold their Treasuries until they mature, or they can sell them. In either case they end up with dollars. Which they can re-invest or use to buy some other currency. If they sell dollars and buy Euros, for instance, the weaker dollar helps our trade balance and hurts Chinese exports to the US.

And like I said, selling 2 days worth of Treasury volume, wouldn't do shit to our stock market.

No tech company could complete hardware if the Chinese restricted trade to the USA

China could certainly do that. Millions of unemployed Chinese probably wouldn't be a problem for them, they can just crush them with tanks, eh?

If you do not like it, or have some serious reason to pretend that the Chinks hold no leverage over the USA, continue on as you feel you must

Hey, if they want to harm their own, rickety, about to collapse economy, I sure can't stop them.

LOL you are ranting like a spoiled little child. You have a better chance of winning the powerball then getting hit by lightning twice in the same day than derailing me.........................

But don't stop trying as it seems to be giving purpose to your otherwise worthless existence

Calmly pointing out your idiocy isn't ranting.

Now about those $100 loaves of bread...…….hilarious!

I also saw a movie where the chinks completely shut down the entire American economy with a bat virus, tell us could that happen?

Continue wanking

130 vs 95

They didn't.
China did not shut down the entire US economy with a bat virus.

First, the entire economy isn't shut down. I've had 3 job offers in the past month. People are hiring. How are hiring if the "entire American economy" is shut down?

There plenty of companies operating. Plenty. You can say the economy is hindered... yes, it is hindered. Yes some companies are shut down. But not entire economy. Don't be ridiculous.

Second, China did not do it. The US government imposed lock down restrictions. It wasn't China.

We know that because they didn't shut down Sweden or Japan, or many others. Their government refused to engage in Draconian measures. Ours did.

China didn't do it.

Lastly, we don't yet know if it was an engineered virus or something. Is that possible? Yeah... but... I'm not going to jump to conspiracy theory conclusions without evidence.

Ok dude you stay there in la la land pretending that the American economy is not shut down because of a bat virus

I just ordered a Pizza from Donatos, and it was hot and fresh.

Please explain how if the entire economy is shut down, why I was able to do that.

Definition of ENTIRE

having no element or part left out : whole; complete in degree : total; consisting of one piece… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

But you go right on ignoring the 22,000,000 Americans that the Chinese bat virus put on unemployment

You said "entire" economy. I just ordered a pizza from a chain that has hired additional staff.

Entire.... means everything.

Yes.... or no.... is the "Entire" economy shut down? Yes or no. Answer the question.

So you are choosing to ignore the 22,000,000 Americans who lost their jobs doe to the Chinese bot virus.

Your choice

You said entire economy. I bought a Pizza. Can you not answer the question I asked before?

Yes or no... is the ENTIRE economy closed?

You are like a three year old clapping that you got your pizza

Reporting you for violating forum rules.

So answer the question: You claimed the "Entire" US economy was shut down. I pointed out places are open and operating. As an example, I ordered a pizza today.

In fact I have in recent weeks, ordered many things, including a part for my clothes washer.

Answer the question: Is the entire US economy shut down?

I've done the same things, and the economy is hurt yes, but the entire economy wasn't shut down, but they gotta have the optics right ? It's political with them.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I have been saying this from the start...this strain is faaaar faaaar too weak to justify this response. They know something. They know...and the next time it's really gonna kill people...a lot of people.

And that response continues to this day...So the threat must still exist!

Yeah, something doesn't add up. There is something that is just not right about this. Well, lots of somethings. We can't count on the media to ask, my God they are nothing but worthless, if not straight out harmful themselves.

We are at war with china, no one who knows this wants the conflict to escalate to millions of degrees

The Chinese have controlling interest in many of the media companies. We have paid for our own destruction. Through purchase of cheap plastic shit at big box America we have ensured our own destruction.

The chinese own a piece of the us federal reserve. If we sue them and win they could sell us treasuries and stock to pay us back and totally destroy our economy in the process

Why? Because the inmates are in charge

The chinese own a piece of the us federal reserve.

Baloney.

If we sue them and win they could sell us treasuries and stock to pay us back and totally destroy our economy in the process

Hilarious! And wrong.

Dude I own a piece of the federal reserve everyone who owns t bills does, China owns Trillions in t bills and more trillions in stock of American companies. None of this is speculative it's all fact. If China sold all of it's American assets our economy would dissipate and inflation would make a loaf of bread cost a hundred bucks at least

All in all we are fucked and idiots walking around in masks would all be better off dead

Dude I own a piece of the federal reserve

You're lying.

everyone who owns t bills does

T-bills are debt issued by the US Treasury, not the Fed.

China owns Trillions in t bills and more trillions in stock of American companies.

About $1.1 trillion in Treasuries. I doubt they own anywhere near that in us stocks.

If China sold all of it's American assets our economy would dissipate

Dissipate? What do you mean?

If you do not know what dissipate means ask your homeroom teacher who will instruct you to use a dictionary

T bills are issued by the treasury and are backed in gold bullion in the federal reserve.

Play on little one

If you do not know what dissipate means

I know what dissipate means.
I don't know what your claim about China selling assets causing our economy to dissipate means.

So explain it.

How does China selling $1 trillion in Treasuries cause our economy to evaporate, disappear, vanish?

T bills are issued by the treasury and are backed in gold bullion in the federal reserve.

T-bills aren't backed by gold.

She (assuming that esalla is she) doesn't know what's she's talking about.

First, Even if China sells assets, they do not disappear, someone has to buys them.
Second, they cannot just send them back and demand cash, since they're long term based, for what they're getting paid interest. If they sell them, ownership changes, everything else, including terms stays the same.

If China sells everything, a panic begins and everyone rushes to sell everything and the stock market crashes and elevator shafts become full of economic geniuses like you

Google it, there are photos

How Much U.S. Debt Does China Own?

As of 2023, China owns more than $859.4 billion in U.S. debt. That's less than the U.S. debt owned by Japan and represents about 2.6% of the total U.S. debt. Learn more.

www.investopedia.com

First... There is over $25 Trillion in US bonds on the market.

China only owns $1.1 Trillion worth. How does 4% of the bonds going on sale, cause a panic? Seems unlikely.

Moreover, why would there be a panic regardless?

The only possible reason there would be a panic, is if they believed the US wasn't going to pay the bonds. China selling, or not selling their bonds, wouldn't cause people to think well obvious the US is going to default.

China has already drastically reduced their holdings of US bonds. It hasn't caused people to think we were going to default.

Lastly, even if there was a crisis in the bond market, which could happen with, or without China doing anything... that isn't likely to cause a stock market crash.

We already know this from what happened in the UK.

U.K. Bond Auction Fails for First Time in 14 Years - WSJ

www.wsj.com

The UK government already had a bond crisis back in 2009. The stock market was already depressed because of the Sub-prime crash, but the bond failure had virtually no effect.

And why would it? British companies that were profitable and selling, were still profitable and selling.

The bond crisis pretty much only affected the government... because obviously it was the government that was unable to get money from selling the bonds.

Now obviously how the government responds to the bond crisis could cause a stock market crash. Thankfully the UK engaged in austerity. If they had instead engaged in tax hikes across the country, the results could have wrecked companies, and that could have severely damaged the stock market for sure.

China only owns $1.1 Trillion worth. How does 4% of the bonds going on sale, cause a panic? Seems unlikely.

The US T-Bond market trades something like $500 billion a day.
Two days worth of typical sales......we're doomed!!!

Again if China demanded their money back this would signal an international panic and cause a stock market drop unlike any previously seen. No tech company could complete hardware if the Chinese restricted trade to the USA which would refer back to the drop that is still continuing, the unemployment would be real.

If you do not like it, or have some serious reason to pretend that the Chinks hold no leverage over the USA, continue on as you feel you must

Just remember I answer to no one, certainly not you or the children that you work with and for

Besides it's not like a disease could ever escape china and shut down the entire American economy and force the American military to pretend not to have raised the defcon level or launch missiles from the USS Barry

Enjoy

US Navy launches live-fire missiles in ‘warning to China’

Unusual drill in the Philippine Sea a signal to the PLA that American forces can counter advanced threats, military observers say.

www.scmp.com

Again if China demanded their money back this would signal an international panic

First, they can't "demand" their money back. They can hold their Treasuries until they mature, or they can sell them. In either case they end up with dollars. Which they can re-invest or use to buy some other currency. If they sell dollars and buy Euros, for instance, the weaker dollar helps our trade balance and hurts Chinese exports to the US.

And like I said, selling 2 days worth of Treasury volume, wouldn't do shit to our stock market.

No tech company could complete hardware if the Chinese restricted trade to the USA

China could certainly do that. Millions of unemployed Chinese probably wouldn't be a problem for them, they can just crush them with tanks, eh?

If you do not like it, or have some serious reason to pretend that the Chinks hold no leverage over the USA, continue on as you feel you must

Hey, if they want to harm their own, rickety, about to collapse economy, I sure can't stop them.

LOL you are ranting like a spoiled little child. You have a better chance of winning the powerball then getting hit by lightning twice in the same day than derailing me.........................

But don't stop trying as it seems to be giving purpose to your otherwise worthless existence

Calmly pointing out your idiocy isn't ranting.

Now about those $100 loaves of bread...…….hilarious!

I also saw a movie where the chinks completely shut down the entire American economy with a bat virus, tell us could that happen?

Continue wanking

130 vs 95

They didn't.
China did not shut down the entire US economy with a bat virus.

First, the entire economy isn't shut down. I've had 3 job offers in the past month. People are hiring. How are hiring if the "entire American economy" is shut down?

There plenty of companies operating. Plenty. You can say the economy is hindered... yes, it is hindered. Yes some companies are shut down. But not entire economy. Don't be ridiculous.

Second, China did not do it. The US government imposed lock down restrictions. It wasn't China.

We know that because they didn't shut down Sweden or Japan, or many others. Their government refused to engage in Draconian measures. Ours did.

China didn't do it.

Lastly, we don't yet know if it was an engineered virus or something. Is that possible? Yeah... but... I'm not going to jump to conspiracy theory conclusions without evidence.

Ok dude you stay there in la la land pretending that the American economy is not shut down because of a bat virus

I just ordered a Pizza from Donatos, and it was hot and fresh.

Please explain how if the entire economy is shut down, why I was able to do that.

Definition of ENTIRE

having no element or part left out : whole; complete in degree : total; consisting of one piece… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

But you go right on ignoring the 22,000,000 Americans that the Chinese bat virus put on unemployment

You said "entire" economy. I just ordered a pizza from a chain that has hired additional staff.

Entire.... means everything.

Yes.... or no.... is the "Entire" economy shut down? Yes or no. Answer the question.

So you are choosing to ignore the 22,000,000 Americans who lost their jobs doe to the Chinese bot virus.

Your choice

You said entire economy. I bought a Pizza. Can you not answer the question I asked before?

Yes or no... is the ENTIRE economy closed?

Argue with the NY Times not me

The U.S. Shut Down Its Economy. Here’s What Needs to Happen in Order to Restart.
Whole sectors of the United States economy have gone dark to slow the spread of the coronavirus. Here’s what comes next.

The U.S. Shut Down Its Economy. Here’s What Needs to Happen in Order to Restart. (Published 2020)

Whole sectors of the United States economy have gone dark to slow the spread of the coronavirus. Here’s what comes next.

www.nytimes.com

No, I'm not talking to the fake news agencies.... which by the way, proves my point. If the NYT is paying reporters and writers, to make article talking about the economy being shut down... then economy is not entirely shut down is it?

CNN is still on the air (for G-d only knows why). So are all the major networks.

How is that possible, if the "ENTIRE" economy is shut down? News agencies are not part of the economy? Health care isn't part of the economy? Food companies are not part of the economy? Of course they all are.

The fact you can site that article alone, is proof your claim was false.

(I'll keep going on this as long as you like)

Tell us more about how there are really not 22,000,000 unemployed people in the USA as a result of the Chinese bat virus

The Economy Can't Stay Shut Down Forever, So What's the Plan?

We have to know the path out of this, and we need it right now.

www.redstate.com

I still want to know about the $100 loaves of bread.......help me out.

 

[beagle9]

I have been saying this from the start...this strain is faaaar faaaar too weak to justify this response. They know something. They know...and the next time it's really gonna kill people...a lot of people.

And that response continues to this day...So the threat must still exist!

Yeah, something doesn't add up. There is something that is just not right about this. Well, lots of somethings. We can't count on the media to ask, my God they are nothing but worthless, if not straight out harmful themselves.

We are at war with china, no one who knows this wants the conflict to escalate to millions of degrees

The Chinese have controlling interest in many of the media companies. We have paid for our own destruction. Through purchase of cheap plastic shit at big box America we have ensured our own destruction.

The chinese own a piece of the us federal reserve. If we sue them and win they could sell us treasuries and stock to pay us back and totally destroy our economy in the process

Why? Because the inmates are in charge

The chinese own a piece of the us federal reserve.

Baloney.

If we sue them and win they could sell us treasuries and stock to pay us back and totally destroy our economy in the process

Hilarious! And wrong.

Dude I own a piece of the federal reserve everyone who owns t bills does, China owns Trillions in t bills and more trillions in stock of American companies. None of this is speculative it's all fact. If China sold all of it's American assets our economy would dissipate and inflation would make a loaf of bread cost a hundred bucks at least

All in all we are fucked and idiots walking around in masks would all be better off dead

Dude I own a piece of the federal reserve

You're lying.

everyone who owns t bills does

T-bills are debt issued by the US Treasury, not the Fed.

China owns Trillions in t bills and more trillions in stock of American companies.

About $1.1 trillion in Treasuries. I doubt they own anywhere near that in us stocks.

If China sold all of it's American assets our economy would dissipate

Dissipate? What do you mean?

If you do not know what dissipate means ask your homeroom teacher who will instruct you to use a dictionary

T bills are issued by the treasury and are backed in gold bullion in the federal reserve.

Play on little one

If you do not know what dissipate means

I know what dissipate means.
I don't know what your claim about China selling assets causing our economy to dissipate means.

So explain it.

How does China selling $1 trillion in Treasuries cause our economy to evaporate, disappear, vanish?

T bills are issued by the treasury and are backed in gold bullion in the federal reserve.

T-bills aren't backed by gold.

She (assuming that esalla is she) doesn't know what's she's talking about.

First, Even if China sells assets, they do not disappear, someone has to buys them.
Second, they cannot just send them back and demand cash, since they're long term based, for what they're getting paid interest. If they sell them, ownership changes, everything else, including terms stays the same.

If China sells everything, a panic begins and everyone rushes to sell everything and the stock market crashes and elevator shafts become full of economic geniuses like you

Google it, there are photos

How Much U.S. Debt Does China Own?

As of 2023, China owns more than $859.4 billion in U.S. debt. That's less than the U.S. debt owned by Japan and represents about 2.6% of the total U.S. debt. Learn more.

www.investopedia.com

First... There is over $25 Trillion in US bonds on the market.

China only owns $1.1 Trillion worth. How does 4% of the bonds going on sale, cause a panic? Seems unlikely.

Moreover, why would there be a panic regardless?

The only possible reason there would be a panic, is if they believed the US wasn't going to pay the bonds. China selling, or not selling their bonds, wouldn't cause people to think well obvious the US is going to default.

China has already drastically reduced their holdings of US bonds. It hasn't caused people to think we were going to default.

Lastly, even if there was a crisis in the bond market, which could happen with, or without China doing anything... that isn't likely to cause a stock market crash.

We already know this from what happened in the UK.

U.K. Bond Auction Fails for First Time in 14 Years - WSJ

www.wsj.com

The UK government already had a bond crisis back in 2009. The stock market was already depressed because of the Sub-prime crash, but the bond failure had virtually no effect.

And why would it? British companies that were profitable and selling, were still profitable and selling.

The bond crisis pretty much only affected the government... because obviously it was the government that was unable to get money from selling the bonds.

Now obviously how the government responds to the bond crisis could cause a stock market crash. Thankfully the UK engaged in austerity. If they had instead engaged in tax hikes across the country, the results could have wrecked companies, and that could have severely damaged the stock market for sure.

China only owns $1.1 Trillion worth. How does 4% of the bonds going on sale, cause a panic? Seems unlikely.

The US T-Bond market trades something like $500 billion a day.
Two days worth of typical sales......we're doomed!!!

Again if China demanded their money back this would signal an international panic and cause a stock market drop unlike any previously seen. No tech company could complete hardware if the Chinese restricted trade to the USA which would refer back to the drop that is still continuing, the unemployment would be real.

If you do not like it, or have some serious reason to pretend that the Chinks hold no leverage over the USA, continue on as you feel you must

Just remember I answer to no one, certainly not you or the children that you work with and for

Besides it's not like a disease could ever escape china and shut down the entire American economy and force the American military to pretend not to have raised the defcon level or launch missiles from the USS Barry

Enjoy

US Navy launches live-fire missiles in ‘warning to China’

Unusual drill in the Philippine Sea a signal to the PLA that American forces can counter advanced threats, military observers say.

www.scmp.com

Again if China demanded their money back this would signal an international panic

First, they can't "demand" their money back. They can hold their Treasuries until they mature, or they can sell them. In either case they end up with dollars. Which they can re-invest or use to buy some other currency. If they sell dollars and buy Euros, for instance, the weaker dollar helps our trade balance and hurts Chinese exports to the US.

And like I said, selling 2 days worth of Treasury volume, wouldn't do shit to our stock market.

No tech company could complete hardware if the Chinese restricted trade to the USA

China could certainly do that. Millions of unemployed Chinese probably wouldn't be a problem for them, they can just crush them with tanks, eh?

If you do not like it, or have some serious reason to pretend that the Chinks hold no leverage over the USA, continue on as you feel you must

Hey, if they want to harm their own, rickety, about to collapse economy, I sure can't stop them.

LOL you are ranting like a spoiled little child. You have a better chance of winning the powerball then getting hit by lightning twice in the same day than derailing me.........................

But don't stop trying as it seems to be giving purpose to your otherwise worthless existence

Calmly pointing out your idiocy isn't ranting.

Now about those $100 loaves of bread...…….hilarious!

I also saw a movie where the chinks completely shut down the entire American economy with a bat virus, tell us could that happen?

Continue wanking

130 vs 95

They didn't.
China did not shut down the entire US economy with a bat virus.

First, the entire economy isn't shut down. I've had 3 job offers in the past month. People are hiring. How are hiring if the "entire American economy" is shut down?

There plenty of companies operating. Plenty. You can say the economy is hindered... yes, it is hindered. Yes some companies are shut down. But not entire economy. Don't be ridiculous.

Second, China did not do it. The US government imposed lock down restrictions. It wasn't China.

We know that because they didn't shut down Sweden or Japan, or many others. Their government refused to engage in Draconian measures. Ours did.

China didn't do it.

Lastly, we don't yet know if it was an engineered virus or something. Is that possible? Yeah... but... I'm not going to jump to conspiracy theory conclusions without evidence.

Ok dude you stay there in la la land pretending that the American economy is not shut down because of a bat virus

I just ordered a Pizza from Donatos, and it was hot and fresh.

Please explain how if the entire economy is shut down, why I was able to do that.

Definition of ENTIRE

having no element or part left out : whole; complete in degree : total; consisting of one piece… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

But you go right on ignoring the 22,000,000 Americans that the Chinese bat virus put on unemployment

You said "entire" economy. I just ordered a pizza from a chain that has hired additional staff.

Entire.... means everything.

Yes.... or no.... is the "Entire" economy shut down? Yes or no. Answer the question.

So you are choosing to ignore the 22,000,000 Americans who lost their jobs doe to the Chinese bot virus.

Your choice

You said entire economy. I bought a Pizza. Can you not answer the question I asked before?

Yes or no... is the ENTIRE economy closed?

Argue with the NY Times not me

The U.S. Shut Down Its Economy. Here’s What Needs to Happen in Order to Restart.
Whole sectors of the United States economy have gone dark to slow the spread of the coronavirus. Here’s what comes next.

The U.S. Shut Down Its Economy. Here’s What Needs to Happen in Order to Restart. (Published 2020)

Whole sectors of the United States economy have gone dark to slow the spread of the coronavirus. Here’s what comes next.

www.nytimes.com

No, I'm not talking to the fake news agencies.... which by the way, proves my point. If the NYT is paying reporters and writers, to make article talking about the economy being shut down... then economy is not entirely shut down is it?

CNN is still on the air (for G-d only knows why). So are all the major networks.

How is that possible, if the "ENTIRE" economy is shut down? News agencies are not part of the economy? Health care isn't part of the economy? Food companies are not part of the economy? Of course they all are.

The fact you can site that article alone, is proof your claim was false.

(I'll keep going on this as long as you like)

Tell us more about how there are really not 22,000,000 unemployed people in the USA as a result of the Chinese bat virus

The Economy Can't Stay Shut Down Forever, So What's the Plan?

We have to know the path out of this, and we need it right now.

www.redstate.com

Answer your question first.

 

[beautress]

I have been saying this from the start...this strain is faaaar faaaar too weak to justify this response. They know something. They know...and the next time it's really gonna kill people...a lot of people.

And that response continues to this day...So the threat must still exist!

Yeah, something doesn't add up. There is something that is just not right about this. Well, lots of somethings. We can't count on the media to ask, my God they are nothing but worthless, if not straight out harmful themselves.

We are at war with china, no one who knows this wants the conflict to escalate to millions of degrees

The Chinese have controlling interest in many of the media companies. We have paid for our own destruction. Through purchase of cheap plastic shit at big box America we have ensured our own destruction.

The chinese own a piece of the us federal reserve. If we sue them and win they could sell us treasuries and stock to pay us back and totally destroy our economy in the process

Why? Because the inmates are in charge

The chinese own a piece of the us federal reserve.

Baloney.

If we sue them and win they could sell us treasuries and stock to pay us back and totally destroy our economy in the process

Hilarious! And wrong.

Dude I own a piece of the federal reserve everyone who owns t bills does, China owns Trillions in t bills and more trillions in stock of American companies. None of this is speculative it's all fact. If China sold all of it's American assets our economy would dissipate and inflation would make a loaf of bread cost a hundred bucks at least

All in all we are fucked and idiots walking around in masks would all be better off dead

Dude I own a piece of the federal reserve

You're lying.

everyone who owns t bills does

T-bills are debt issued by the US Treasury, not the Fed.

China owns Trillions in t bills and more trillions in stock of American companies.

About $1.1 trillion in Treasuries. I doubt they own anywhere near that in us stocks.

If China sold all of it's American assets our economy would dissipate

Dissipate? What do you mean?

If you do not know what dissipate means ask your homeroom teacher who will instruct you to use a dictionary

T bills are issued by the treasury and are backed in gold bullion in the federal reserve.

Play on little one

If you do not know what dissipate means

I know what dissipate means.
I don't know what your claim about China selling assets causing our economy to dissipate means.

So explain it.

How does China selling $1 trillion in Treasuries cause our economy to evaporate, disappear, vanish?

T bills are issued by the treasury and are backed in gold bullion in the federal reserve.

T-bills aren't backed by gold.

She (assuming that esalla is she) doesn't know what's she's talking about.

First, Even if China sells assets, they do not disappear, someone has to buys them.
Second, they cannot just send them back and demand cash, since they're long term based, for what they're getting paid interest. If they sell them, ownership changes, everything else, including terms stays the same.

If China sells everything, a panic begins and everyone rushes to sell everything and the stock market crashes and elevator shafts become full of economic geniuses like you

Google it, there are photos

How Much U.S. Debt Does China Own?

As of 2023, China owns more than $859.4 billion in U.S. debt. That's less than the U.S. debt owned by Japan and represents about 2.6% of the total U.S. debt. Learn more.

www.investopedia.com

First... There is over $25 Trillion in US bonds on the market.

China only owns $1.1 Trillion worth. How does 4% of the bonds going on sale, cause a panic? Seems unlikely.

Moreover, why would there be a panic regardless?

The only possible reason there would be a panic, is if they believed the US wasn't going to pay the bonds. China selling, or not selling their bonds, wouldn't cause people to think well obvious the US is going to default.

China has already drastically reduced their holdings of US bonds. It hasn't caused people to think we were going to default.

Lastly, even if there was a crisis in the bond market, which could happen with, or without China doing anything... that isn't likely to cause a stock market crash.

We already know this from what happened in the UK.

U.K. Bond Auction Fails for First Time in 14 Years - WSJ

www.wsj.com

The UK government already had a bond crisis back in 2009. The stock market was already depressed because of the Sub-prime crash, but the bond failure had virtually no effect.

And why would it? British companies that were profitable and selling, were still profitable and selling.

The bond crisis pretty much only affected the government... because obviously it was the government that was unable to get money from selling the bonds.

Now obviously how the government responds to the bond crisis could cause a stock market crash. Thankfully the UK engaged in austerity. If they had instead engaged in tax hikes across the country, the results could have wrecked companies, and that could have severely damaged the stock market for sure.

China only owns $1.1 Trillion worth. How does 4% of the bonds going on sale, cause a panic? Seems unlikely.

The US T-Bond market trades something like $500 billion a day.
Two days worth of typical sales......we're doomed!!!

Again if China demanded their money back this would signal an international panic and cause a stock market drop unlike any previously seen. No tech company could complete hardware if the Chinese restricted trade to the USA which would refer back to the drop that is still continuing, the unemployment would be real.

If you do not like it, or have some serious reason to pretend that the Chinks hold no leverage over the USA, continue on as you feel you must

Just remember I answer to no one, certainly not you or the children that you work with and for

Besides it's not like a disease could ever escape china and shut down the entire American economy and force the American military to pretend not to have raised the defcon level or launch missiles from the USS Barry

Enjoy

US Navy launches live-fire missiles in ‘warning to China’

Unusual drill in the Philippine Sea a signal to the PLA that American forces can counter advanced threats, military observers say.

www.scmp.com

Again if China demanded their money back this would signal an international panic

First, they can't "demand" their money back. They can hold their Treasuries until they mature, or they can sell them. In either case they end up with dollars. Which they can re-invest or use to buy some other currency. If they sell dollars and buy Euros, for instance, the weaker dollar helps our trade balance and hurts Chinese exports to the US.

And like I said, selling 2 days worth of Treasury volume, wouldn't do shit to our stock market.

No tech company could complete hardware if the Chinese restricted trade to the USA

China could certainly do that. Millions of unemployed Chinese probably wouldn't be a problem for them, they can just crush them with tanks, eh?

If you do not like it, or have some serious reason to pretend that the Chinks hold no leverage over the USA, continue on as you feel you must

Hey, if they want to harm their own, rickety, about to collapse economy, I sure can't stop them.

LOL you are ranting like a spoiled little child. You have a better chance of winning the powerball then getting hit by lightning twice in the same day than derailing me.........................

But don't stop trying as it seems to be giving purpose to your otherwise worthless existence

Calmly pointing out your idiocy isn't ranting.

Now about those $100 loaves of bread...…….hilarious!

I also saw a movie where the chinks completely shut down the entire American economy with a bat virus, tell us could that happen?

Continue wanking

130 vs 95

They didn't.
China did not shut down the entire US economy with a bat virus.

First, the entire economy isn't shut down. I've had 3 job offers in the past month. People are hiring. How are hiring if the "entire American economy" is shut down?

There plenty of companies operating. Plenty. You can say the economy is hindered... yes, it is hindered. Yes some companies are shut down. But not entire economy. Don't be ridiculous.

Second, China did not do it. The US government imposed lock down restrictions. It wasn't China.

We know that because they didn't shut down Sweden or Japan, or many others. Their government refused to engage in Draconian measures. Ours did.

China didn't do it.

Lastly, we don't yet know if it was an engineered virus or something. Is that possible? Yeah... but... I'm not going to jump to conspiracy theory conclusions without evidence.

Ok dude you stay there in la la land pretending that the American economy is not shut down because of a bat virus

I just ordered a Pizza from Donatos, and it was hot and fresh.

Please explain how if the entire economy is shut down, why I was able to do that.

Definition of ENTIRE

having no element or part left out : whole; complete in degree : total; consisting of one piece… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

But you go right on ignoring the 22,000,000 Americans that the Chinese bat virus put on unemployment

You said "entire" economy. I just ordered a pizza from a chain that has hired additional staff.

Entire.... means everything.

Yes.... or no.... is the "Entire" economy shut down? Yes or no. Answer the question.

So you are choosing to ignore the 22,000,000 Americans who lost their jobs doe to the Chinese bot virus.

Your choice

You said entire economy. I bought a Pizza. Can you not answer the question I asked before?

Yes or no... is the ENTIRE economy closed?

Argue with the NY Times not me

The U.S. Shut Down Its Economy. Here’s What Needs to Happen in Order to Restart.
Whole sectors of the United States economy have gone dark to slow the spread of the coronavirus. Here’s what comes next.

The U.S. Shut Down Its Economy. Here’s What Needs to Happen in Order to Restart. (Published 2020)

Whole sectors of the United States economy have gone dark to slow the spread of the coronavirus. Here’s what comes next.

www.nytimes.com

No, I'm not talking to the fake news agencies.... which by the way, proves my point. If the NYT is paying reporters and writers, to make article talking about the economy being shut down... then economy is not entirely shut down is it?

CNN is still on the air (for G-d only knows why). So are all the major networks.

How is that possible, if the "ENTIRE" economy is shut down? News agencies are not part of the economy? Health care isn't part of the economy? Food companies are not part of the economy? Of course they all are.

The fact you can site that article alone, is proof your claim was false.

(I'll keep going on this as long as you like)

Tell us more about how there are really not 22,000,000 unemployed people in the USA as a result of the Chinese bat virus

The Economy Can't Stay Shut Down Forever, So What's the Plan?

We have to know the path out of this, and we need it right now.

www.redstate.com

I still want to know about the $100 loaves of bread.......help me out.

I just spent $.88 (eighty-eight cents) on a loaf of bread from WalMart. At the dollar store you can pay one dollar for a loaf of bread, and at both places of grocers, there were a couple of hundred loaves if not thousands of loaves, left to sell for less that $100.00. (One hundred dollars)

After buying yeast, eggs, butter, sea salt, flour, cinnamon, cardamon, raisins, sugar, special pans, parchment paper, a cooling rack, and the cost of heating up and then cooling down the house, you can't make a loaf of homemade bread for a dollar. And the cleanup costs include two cycles of dishwasher soap, electricity, hand soap, and kitchen cleanup product and a good mopping afterward because baking bread is messy. $.88 isn't so much.

They system that profits of selling bread for $.88 a loaf is a miracle created by a free market economy. And they make a profit, whereas a wife may hear the words, "sandwiches again?"

 

[Ame®icano]

Again I can say whatever I choose on the internet. That said nothing that I have or will say has any world consequence, I am fully aware of this. Not sure what you believe that you are proving by defending China and by claiming that China can not use their American debt holdings as a weapon because they can do as they choose.

Debt weapon of choice for China to penetrate developing countries

Tonga raised alarm and begged China to write off her debt.

www.nation.co.ke

Play on

You completely misunderstood the article.

It's about developing nations that can't repay their debt to China, it has nothing to do with us.

Nope as I never read it.

Play on kid

Let me get this strait... In order to back your claim, you post the article of China using debt as a weapon, assuming it could be used against us, without even reading it. Since you got challenged, because it doesn't support your claim, you call me a kid. So, if I am a kid, what does that make you, an infant... or embryo?

What claim? I said something and you took me seriously.

Everyone pretty much does

CIAO

You said that China can used their American debt holdings as a weapon against us, and provided a link that has nothing to do with your claim. When challenged, you said "I said something and you took me seriously".

LOL

Thanks for admitting your own ignorance. If not capable of serious discussion, why are you discussing?

We're done.

 

[Indeependent]

I have been saying this from the start...this strain is faaaar faaaar too weak to justify this response. They know something. They know...and the next time it's really gonna kill people...a lot of people.

And that response continues to this day...So the threat must still exist!

Yeah, something doesn't add up. There is something that is just not right about this. Well, lots of somethings. We can't count on the media to ask, my God they are nothing but worthless, if not straight out harmful themselves.

We are at war with china, no one who knows this wants the conflict to escalate to millions of degrees

The Chinese have controlling interest in many of the media companies. We have paid for our own destruction. Through purchase of cheap plastic shit at big box America we have ensured our own destruction.

The chinese own a piece of the us federal reserve. If we sue them and win they could sell us treasuries and stock to pay us back and totally destroy our economy in the process

Why? Because the inmates are in charge

The chinese own a piece of the us federal reserve.

Baloney.

If we sue them and win they could sell us treasuries and stock to pay us back and totally destroy our economy in the process

Hilarious! And wrong.

Dude I own a piece of the federal reserve everyone who owns t bills does, China owns Trillions in t bills and more trillions in stock of American companies. None of this is speculative it's all fact. If China sold all of it's American assets our economy would dissipate and inflation would make a loaf of bread cost a hundred bucks at least

All in all we are fucked and idiots walking around in masks would all be better off dead

Dude I own a piece of the federal reserve

You're lying.

everyone who owns t bills does

T-bills are debt issued by the US Treasury, not the Fed.

China owns Trillions in t bills and more trillions in stock of American companies.

About $1.1 trillion in Treasuries. I doubt they own anywhere near that in us stocks.

If China sold all of it's American assets our economy would dissipate

Dissipate? What do you mean?

If you do not know what dissipate means ask your homeroom teacher who will instruct you to use a dictionary

T bills are issued by the treasury and are backed in gold bullion in the federal reserve.

Play on little one

If you do not know what dissipate means

I know what dissipate means.
I don't know what your claim about China selling assets causing our economy to dissipate means.

So explain it.

How does China selling $1 trillion in Treasuries cause our economy to evaporate, disappear, vanish?

T bills are issued by the treasury and are backed in gold bullion in the federal reserve.

T-bills aren't backed by gold.

She (assuming that esalla is she) doesn't know what's she's talking about.

First, Even if China sells assets, they do not disappear, someone has to buys them.
Second, they cannot just send them back and demand cash, since they're long term based, for what they're getting paid interest. If they sell them, ownership changes, everything else, including terms stays the same.

If China sells everything, a panic begins and everyone rushes to sell everything and the stock market crashes and elevator shafts become full of economic geniuses like you

Google it, there are photos

How Much U.S. Debt Does China Own?

As of 2023, China owns more than $859.4 billion in U.S. debt. That's less than the U.S. debt owned by Japan and represents about 2.6% of the total U.S. debt. Learn more.

www.investopedia.com

First... There is over $25 Trillion in US bonds on the market.

China only owns $1.1 Trillion worth. How does 4% of the bonds going on sale, cause a panic? Seems unlikely.

Moreover, why would there be a panic regardless?

The only possible reason there would be a panic, is if they believed the US wasn't going to pay the bonds. China selling, or not selling their bonds, wouldn't cause people to think well obvious the US is going to default.

China has already drastically reduced their holdings of US bonds. It hasn't caused people to think we were going to default.

Lastly, even if there was a crisis in the bond market, which could happen with, or without China doing anything... that isn't likely to cause a stock market crash.

We already know this from what happened in the UK.

U.K. Bond Auction Fails for First Time in 14 Years - WSJ

www.wsj.com

The UK government already had a bond crisis back in 2009. The stock market was already depressed because of the Sub-prime crash, but the bond failure had virtually no effect.

And why would it? British companies that were profitable and selling, were still profitable and selling.

The bond crisis pretty much only affected the government... because obviously it was the government that was unable to get money from selling the bonds.

Now obviously how the government responds to the bond crisis could cause a stock market crash. Thankfully the UK engaged in austerity. If they had instead engaged in tax hikes across the country, the results could have wrecked companies, and that could have severely damaged the stock market for sure.

China only owns $1.1 Trillion worth. How does 4% of the bonds going on sale, cause a panic? Seems unlikely.

The US T-Bond market trades something like $500 billion a day.
Two days worth of typical sales......we're doomed!!!

Again if China demanded their money back this would signal an international panic and cause a stock market drop unlike any previously seen. No tech company could complete hardware if the Chinese restricted trade to the USA which would refer back to the drop that is still continuing, the unemployment would be real.

If you do not like it, or have some serious reason to pretend that the Chinks hold no leverage over the USA, continue on as you feel you must

Just remember I answer to no one, certainly not you or the children that you work with and for

Besides it's not like a disease could ever escape china and shut down the entire American economy and force the American military to pretend not to have raised the defcon level or launch missiles from the USS Barry

Enjoy

US Navy launches live-fire missiles in ‘warning to China’

Unusual drill in the Philippine Sea a signal to the PLA that American forces can counter advanced threats, military observers say.

www.scmp.com

Again if China demanded their money back this would signal an international panic

First, they can't "demand" their money back. They can hold their Treasuries until they mature, or they can sell them. In either case they end up with dollars. Which they can re-invest or use to buy some other currency. If they sell dollars and buy Euros, for instance, the weaker dollar helps our trade balance and hurts Chinese exports to the US.

And like I said, selling 2 days worth of Treasury volume, wouldn't do shit to our stock market.

No tech company could complete hardware if the Chinese restricted trade to the USA

China could certainly do that. Millions of unemployed Chinese probably wouldn't be a problem for them, they can just crush them with tanks, eh?

If you do not like it, or have some serious reason to pretend that the Chinks hold no leverage over the USA, continue on as you feel you must

Hey, if they want to harm their own, rickety, about to collapse economy, I sure can't stop them.

LOL you are ranting like a spoiled little child. You have a better chance of winning the powerball then getting hit by lightning twice in the same day than derailing me.........................

But don't stop trying as it seems to be giving purpose to your otherwise worthless existence

Calmly pointing out your idiocy isn't ranting.

Now about those $100 loaves of bread...…….hilarious!

I also saw a movie where the chinks completely shut down the entire American economy with a bat virus, tell us could that happen?

Continue wanking

130 vs 95

They didn't.
China did not shut down the entire US economy with a bat virus.

First, the entire economy isn't shut down. I've had 3 job offers in the past month. People are hiring. How are hiring if the "entire American economy" is shut down?

There plenty of companies operating. Plenty. You can say the economy is hindered... yes, it is hindered. Yes some companies are shut down. But not entire economy. Don't be ridiculous.

Second, China did not do it. The US government imposed lock down restrictions. It wasn't China.

We know that because they didn't shut down Sweden or Japan, or many others. Their government refused to engage in Draconian measures. Ours did.

China didn't do it.

Lastly, we don't yet know if it was an engineered virus or something. Is that possible? Yeah... but... I'm not going to jump to conspiracy theory conclusions without evidence.

Ok dude you stay there in la la land pretending that the American economy is not shut down because of a bat virus

I just ordered a Pizza from Donatos, and it was hot and fresh.

Please explain how if the entire economy is shut down, why I was able to do that.

Definition of ENTIRE

having no element or part left out : whole; complete in degree : total; consisting of one piece… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

But you go right on ignoring the 22,000,000 Americans that the Chinese bat virus put on unemployment

You said "entire" economy. I just ordered a pizza from a chain that has hired additional staff.

Entire.... means everything.

Yes.... or no.... is the "Entire" economy shut down? Yes or no. Answer the question.

So you are choosing to ignore the 22,000,000 Americans who lost their jobs doe to the Chinese bot virus.

Your choice

You said entire economy. I bought a Pizza. Can you not answer the question I asked before?

Yes or no... is the ENTIRE economy closed?

Argue with the NY Times not me

The U.S. Shut Down Its Economy. Here’s What Needs to Happen in Order to Restart.
Whole sectors of the United States economy have gone dark to slow the spread of the coronavirus. Here’s what comes next.

The U.S. Shut Down Its Economy. Here’s What Needs to Happen in Order to Restart. (Published 2020)

Whole sectors of the United States economy have gone dark to slow the spread of the coronavirus. Here’s what comes next.

www.nytimes.com

No, I'm not talking to the fake news agencies.... which by the way, proves my point. If the NYT is paying reporters and writers, to make article talking about the economy being shut down... then economy is not entirely shut down is it?

CNN is still on the air (for G-d only knows why). So are all the major networks.

How is that possible, if the "ENTIRE" economy is shut down? News agencies are not part of the economy? Health care isn't part of the economy? Food companies are not part of the economy? Of course they all are.

The fact you can site that article alone, is proof your claim was false.

(I'll keep going on this as long as you like)

Tell us more about how there are really not 22,000,000 unemployed people in the USA as a result of the Chinese bat virus

The Economy Can't Stay Shut Down Forever, So What's the Plan?

We have to know the path out of this, and we need it right now.

www.redstate.com

Andy lives in a much smaller city than most and is not a professional.
The odds are he delivered the pizza to himself.
Almost every food establishment in Nassau County is operating.
Almost every Health Professional I know is currently unemployed.
Your analysis of the economy cannot be ignored but is still not the end all and be all.

 

[Ame®icano]

Again if China demanded their money back this would signal an international panic and cause a stock market drop unlike any previously seen. No tech company could complete hardware if the Chinese restricted trade to the USA which would refer back to the drop that is still continuing, the unemployment would be real.

If you do not like it, or have some serious reason to pretend that the Chinks hold no leverage over the USA, continue on as you feel you must

Just remember I answer to no one, certainly not you or the children that you work with and for

Besides it's not like a disease could ever escape china and shut down the entire American economy and force the American military to pretend not to have raised the defcon level or launch missiles from the USS Barry

Enjoy

US Navy launches live-fire missiles in ‘warning to China’

Unusual drill in the Philippine Sea a signal to the PLA that American forces can counter advanced threats, military observers say.

www.scmp.com

Again if China demanded their money back

Stop.... Right there, your entire argument falls apart. China can not "demand" their money back.

That is impossible. The only thing they can do, is wait until the bonds mature, and collect the maturity.

Further, understand that when the bonds mature, the US government does not pay them in Yaun. They pay them in US Dollars. Which means China would have a bunch of US dollars they can't use to pay their employees, or buy anything in China.

They would have to use those dollars to purchase US goods.

That would boast the US stock market from a sudden increase in US exports.

Short of that, the only thing China can do with US bonds, is sell them.

Even then, they can not "Demand" their money, they have to sell them to whomever will buy them.

Let me ask you.... can I "Demand" you buy my old Grand Marquis? No. If you don't want to buy my car, I can't force you to do so.

Nor can China "demand" anyone buy their US Bonds.

So your very first sentence in your response is utterly flawed.

Flawed? No, it's ignorant. Yapping for sake of yapping.

This is what she said to me above: "I said something and you took me seriously."

 

[beautress]

Feel free to disagree with me...but this is not a left or right thread...leave politics out of it please.

We have massive money printing going on (stimulus checks) which will cause inflation...primarily with food because that is primarily where the printed money is going.

We have massive shutdowns of business which has cause massive loss in tax revenue.

We had unsustainable pension plans that have been hanging on by their finger tips for years...the loss of tax revenue will certainly be enough to tip these over.

The job losses have caused millions to not be able to pay their rent or mortgage...landlords and mortgage companies CAN'T TAKE THAT HIT...they'll go bankrupt.

It is said that 4 out of 5 businesses that are closed right now will not re-open. That will hit the commercial mortgage sector. (not to mention the MBS's and the CDO's which is what started the 2008 financial crisis).

What we are about to see is going to be biblical in scope! And if you are not afraid, you are not paying attention.

Chances are, bad things are ahead. I pray for this nation as my grandparents did when they joined the American Legion and dedicated their lives to helping all those who lost limbs, the widows of those who lost their life in Normandy, Germany, Pearl Harbor, and the Pacific theater. I pray for all those who were helpless in this terroristic pandemic, and I believe God will help those who survived because he has blessed and loved America, who has always fought for the world's underdogs and against foreign and domestic terrorists of other people who would put the people through humiliation and not for their improvement in the sight of God, either. I pray for this nation that believes in God and serves his causes which are of peace and brotherhood. When God , the Holy Spirit and Jesus Christ are for us, who can be against us? No one, and we are for those who are persecuted in His name, the orphan, and the widow. May God bless America and its leaders and remove from power those who would destroy the Church and its teachings of God's love for us and those we help. Amen.

Remember, that in Him there no darkness is.

We have gone through a heck of a lot worse in this country than covid 19. What we going through now doesn't even come close to WWII, the Spanish Influenza, or the Civil War. Covid 19 will be a very small footnote in our history.

Thank you, Mr. Flopper. I'll keep that in mind when I think about how I miss my friends and the beautiful music they sing at Karaoke night, which has not been conducted for several weeks now. Church services have been closed down, and I miss the amazing organ music played by one of our town's most gifted classical musicians anywhere, and being around people whose first love is collectively doing good deeds for the community around us, supporting local schools with supplies poor kids' parents can't afford, going to the local library that had to close its doors down months ago, and not getting to go out for Chinese, Italian, Texas barbecue, and Mexican food for several months. I miss the waitresses, the college kids who serve at local restaurants due to the University closure, closure of my workout Iron Works place until the shutdowns pass, not being able to pay bills in person, and weekend shutdowns are the worst.

I'm worried about my car having expired plates because county offices closed down a week before I got my car inspection completed, and the people they had to collect quarterly land taxes charge $40 every time you pay your taxes, plus when I tried to pay my other taxes, the non-government tax collector hung up on me after I paid my taxes and the fee, before I could find out if they had my address right. Just the other day, I got information that the transaction I thought took place resulted in a late fee, because I don't think the woman who hung up on me was interested in only collecting her $40., and not whether my additional $1900. quarterly land tax bill was credited to my payment log. You can't renew your licenses, and when they shut down the local government, you get very frustrated if you need to have a simple question answered like, "will you please give me a confirmation number?" If that proxy tax collector pocketed the $1900, I can't prove without any receipt that I paid the bill without having to pay a lawyer $600 an hour to resolve why my payment did not get credited to me because the county people are still on Covid-19 sabbatical.

 

[Indeependent]

Again if China demanded their money back this would signal an international panic and cause a stock market drop unlike any previously seen. No tech company could complete hardware if the Chinese restricted trade to the USA which would refer back to the drop that is still continuing, the unemployment would be real.

If you do not like it, or have some serious reason to pretend that the Chinks hold no leverage over the USA, continue on as you feel you must

Just remember I answer to no one, certainly not you or the children that you work with and for

Besides it's not like a disease could ever escape china and shut down the entire American economy and force the American military to pretend not to have raised the defcon level or launch missiles from the USS Barry

Enjoy

US Navy launches live-fire missiles in ‘warning to China’

Unusual drill in the Philippine Sea a signal to the PLA that American forces can counter advanced threats, military observers say.

www.scmp.com

Again if China demanded their money back

Stop.... Right there, your entire argument falls apart. China can not "demand" their money back.

That is impossible. The only thing they can do, is wait until the bonds mature, and collect the maturity.

Further, understand that when the bonds mature, the US government does not pay them in Yaun. They pay them in US Dollars. Which means China would have a bunch of US dollars they can't use to pay their employees, or buy anything in China.

They would have to use those dollars to purchase US goods.

That would boast the US stock market from a sudden increase in US exports.

Short of that, the only thing China can do with US bonds, is sell them.

Even then, they can not "Demand" their money, they have to sell them to whomever will buy them.

Let me ask you.... can I "Demand" you buy my old Grand Marquis? No. If you don't want to buy my car, I can't force you to do so.

Nor can China "demand" anyone buy their US Bonds.

So your very first sentence in your response is utterly flawed.

Flawed? No, it's ignorant. Yapping for sake of yapping.

This is what she said to me above: "I said something and you took me seriously."

You are banging your head against the wall called Andy; Andy literally feels people get what they reap.

 

[Flopper]

Feel free to disagree with me...but this is not a left or right thread...leave politics out of it please.

We have massive money printing going on (stimulus checks) which will cause inflation...primarily with food because that is primarily where the printed money is going.

We have massive shutdowns of business which has cause massive loss in tax revenue.

We had unsustainable pension plans that have been hanging on by their finger tips for years...the loss of tax revenue will certainly be enough to tip these over.

The job losses have caused millions to not be able to pay their rent or mortgage...landlords and mortgage companies CAN'T TAKE THAT HIT...they'll go bankrupt.

It is said that 4 out of 5 businesses that are closed right now will not re-open. That will hit the commercial mortgage sector. (not to mention the MBS's and the CDO's which is what started the 2008 financial crisis).

What we are about to see is going to be biblical in scope! And if you are not afraid, you are not paying attention.

Chances are, bad things are ahead. I pray for this nation as my grandparents did when they joined the American Legion and dedicated their lives to helping all those who lost limbs, the widows of those who lost their life in Normandy, Germany, Pearl Harbor, and the Pacific theater. I pray for all those who were helpless in this terroristic pandemic, and I believe God will help those who survived because he has blessed and loved America, who has always fought for the world's underdogs and against foreign and domestic terrorists of other people who would put the people through humiliation and not for their improvement in the sight of God, either. I pray for this nation that believes in God and serves his causes which are of peace and brotherhood. When God , the Holy Spirit and Jesus Christ are for us, who can be against us? No one, and we are for those who are persecuted in His name, the orphan, and the widow. May God bless America and its leaders and remove from power those who would destroy the Church and its teachings of God's love for us and those we help. Amen.

Remember, that in Him there no darkness is.

We have gone through a heck of a lot worse in this country than covid 19. What we going through now doesn't even come close to WWII, the Spanish Influenza, or the Civil War. Covid 19 will be a very small footnote in our history.

Thank you, Mr. Flopper. I'll keep that in mind when I think about how I miss my friends and the beautiful music they sing at Karaoke night, which has not been conducted for several weeks now. Church services have been closed down, and I miss the amazing organ music played by one of our town's most gifted classical musicians anywhere, and being around people whose first love is collectively doing good deeds for the community around us, supporting local schools with supplies poor kids' parents can't afford, going to the local library that had to close its doors down months ago, and not getting to go out for Chinese, Italian, Texas barbecue, and Mexican food for several months. I miss the waitresses, the college kids who serve at local restaurants due to the University closure, closure of my workout Iron Works place until the shutdowns pass, not being able to pay bills in person, and weekend shutdowns are the worst.

I'm worried about my car having expired plates because county offices closed down a week before I got my car inspection completed, and the people they had to collect quarterly land taxes charge $40 every time you pay your taxes, plus when I tried to pay my other taxes, the non-government tax collector hung up on me after I paid my taxes and the fee, before I could find out if they had my address right. Just the other day, I got information that the transaction I thought took place resulted in a late fee, because I don't think the woman who hung up on me was interested in only collecting her $40., and not whether my additional $1900. quarterly land tax bill was credited to my payment log. You can't renew your licenses, and when they shut down the local government, you get very frustrated if you need to have a simple question answered like, "will you please give me a confirmation number?" If that proxy tax collector pocketed the $1900, I can't prove without any receipt that I paid the bill without having to pay a lawyer $600 an hour to resolve why my payment did not get credited to me because the county people are still on Covid-19 sabbatical.

What you are describing is what happens when there's a major shutdown, be it man made or an act of God. Shit happens all over because there is just too many things happening in too short a period of time and not enough people to handle it.

 

[Zorro!]

I have been saying this from the start...this strain is faaaar faaaar too weak to justify this response. They know something. They know...and the next time it's really gonna kill people...a lot of people.

And that response continues to this day...So the threat must still exist!

Yeah, something doesn't add up. There is something that is just not right about this. Well, lots of somethings. We can't count on the media to ask, my God they are nothing but worthless, if not straight out harmful themselves.

We are at war with china, no one who knows this wants the conflict to escalate to millions of degrees

The Chinese have controlling interest in many of the media companies. We have paid for our own destruction. Through purchase of cheap plastic shit at big box America we have ensured our own destruction.

The chinese own a piece of the us federal reserve. If we sue them and win they could sell us treasuries and stock to pay us back and totally destroy our economy in the process

Why? Because the inmates are in charge

They own about $1.2T. As we have seen the Fed can simply create that out of thin air. I used to think the "The Chinese will sell all of the US debt and crash our economy!" line as well.
However, it's all funny money...I mean look at the Dow Jones FFS...lol! We literally have 30% of our economy running at the moment, and that thing is still in the mid twenties. It's a fucking clown world...who knows?

The amount of american stock owned by china is harder to quantify

However if the chinese sell their t Bill's how would the USA pay them as we now pay all of our Bill's with money borrowed from china

All in all we are fucked

No we aren't. China has allowed an act of terrorism to come upon us in the form of a virus due their cover up and lies. This should negate any and all obligations we have towards China, otherwise they have done this to themselves. We should actually be conducting investigations on American's who allowed a communist nation to overthrow this nation, just as it had since done by way of those American's within certain sectors of our economy, and within certain sectors of our military.

If traitor's are found, where as they ignored the soverienty of our nation, and the security of our nation, then a price should be paid.

I don't think it's a good idea to default on our China loans. There is a reason we don't intentionally antagonize a nation of 1.4 billion people, who have been a civilization for 4,000 years.

They play the long game. We don't.

The only way to change things is to shut China off economically and exert worldwide pressure for them to change their ways.

We like cheap China products and cheap China labor in the country, so that is not going to happen. Seems like all that cheap China shit, and takeover of manufacturing, just might be part of their long game.

Uhh..., I get the sense that you think authoritarian regimes are inherently stronger than a free society like our own. We have one of the world's oldest surviving government systems in the world for a reason, in a Free Nation, there is no need for the public to overthrow the government to end tyranny or reacquire power, because we already have it. A small group at the top, controlling a mass of people are never as smart as entire people coordinating and cooperating through the free market.

China is run by fkn morons, who view the world around them as chickens to be plucked, not valued partners and customers. Loosing a pandemic on your best customer is about the height of terrible customer service. We all know now, that the "cheap" price tag on Chinese goods is actually very very expensive, as their lies and lack of consideration caused the entire economy of the world to shut down, and folks are NOT happy about that. Not here, not overseas.

LYING OUTLAW SLAVER "LONG GAME" CHINA CONFRONTS THE QUAD’S DIPLOMATIC AND MILITARY DOUBLE WHAMMY The Quad — shorthand for the Quadrilateral Security Dialogue –Australia, Japan, India and the U.S.

For Beijing, the Quad’s formation and solidification is a nightmare — and China’s communist government has only itself to blame.

The column includes a short history of the The Quad’s formation and its solidification following the initial and very informal meeting in 2007.

This week The Quad held a foreign ministers meeting in Tokyo. SecState Pompeo’s opening remarks about the Chinese Communist Party’s “exploitation, corruption and coercion” were dead on.

 

[Flopper]

I have been saying this from the start...this strain is faaaar faaaar too weak to justify this response. They know something. They know...and the next time it's really gonna kill people...a lot of people.

And that response continues to this day...So the threat must still exist!

Yeah, something doesn't add up. There is something that is just not right about this. Well, lots of somethings. We can't count on the media to ask, my God they are nothing but worthless, if not straight out harmful themselves.

We are at war with china, no one who knows this wants the conflict to escalate to millions of degrees

The Chinese have controlling interest in many of the media companies. We have paid for our own destruction. Through purchase of cheap plastic shit at big box America we have ensured our own destruction.

The chinese own a piece of the us federal reserve. If we sue them and win they could sell us treasuries and stock to pay us back and totally destroy our economy in the process

Why? Because the inmates are in charge

They own about $1.2T. As we have seen the Fed can simply create that out of thin air. I used to think the "The Chinese will sell all of the US debt and crash our economy!" line as well.
However, it's all funny money...I mean look at the Dow Jones FFS...lol! We literally have 30% of our economy running at the moment, and that thing is still in the mid twenties. It's a fucking clown world...who knows?

The amount of american stock owned by china is harder to quantify

However if the chinese sell their t Bill's how would the USA pay them as we now pay all of our Bill's with money borrowed from china

All in all we are fucked

No we aren't. China has allowed an act of terrorism to come upon us in the form of a virus due their cover up and lies. This should negate any and all obligations we have towards China, otherwise they have done this to themselves. We should actually be conducting investigations on American's who allowed a communist nation to overthrow this nation, just as it had since done by way of those American's within certain sectors of our economy, and within certain sectors of our military.

If traitor's are found, where as they ignored the soverienty of our nation, and the security of our nation, then a price should be paid.

I don't think it's a good idea to default on our China loans. There is a reason we don't intentionally antagonize a nation of 1.4 billion people, who have been a civilization for 4,000 years.

They play the long game. We don't.

The only way to change things is to shut China off economically and exert worldwide pressure for them to change their ways.

We like cheap China products and cheap China labor in the country, so that is not going to happen. Seems like all that cheap China shit, and takeover of manufacturing, just might be part of their long game.

Uhh..., I get the sense that you think authoritarian regimes are inherently stronger than a free society like our own. We have one of the world's oldest surviving government systems in the world for a reason, in a Free Nation, there is no need for the public to overthrow the government to end tyranny or reacquire power, because we already have it. A small group at the top, controlling a mass of people are never as smart as entire people coordinating and cooperating through the free market.

China is run by fkn morons, who view the world around them as chickens to be plucked, not valued partners and customers. Loosing a pandemic on your best customer is about the height of terrible customer service. We all know now, that the "cheap" price tag on Chinese goods is actually very very expensive, as their lies and lack of consideration caused the entire economy of the world to shut down, and folks are NOT happy about that. Not here, not overseas.

LYING OUTLAW SLAVER "LONG GAME" CHINA CONFRONTS THE QUAD’S DIPLOMATIC AND MILITARY DOUBLE WHAMMY The Quad — shorthand for the Quadrilateral Security Dialogue –Australia, Japan, India and the U.S.

For Beijing, the Quad’s formation and solidification is a nightmare — and China’s communist government has only itself to blame.

The column includes a short history of the The Quad’s formation and its solidification following the initial and very informal meeting in 2007.

This week The Quad held a foreign ministers meeting in Tokyo. SecState Pompeo’s opening remarks about the Chinese Communist Party’s “exploitation, corruption and coercion” were dead on.

I agree with a some of your post but I think it is very unlikely that China knowingly released a pandemic on the US. That's the stuff of conspiracy theories, not facts. The first confirmed cases outside mainland China occurred in Japan, South Korea Hong Kong, Thailand, and the EU not the US. For China to knowingly destroying their export market would certainly be moronic and I see no evidence of that. A 3rd world country with an agrarian economy that in less than 50 years becomes the greatest industrial complex and largest economy in the world is not led by fucking morons.

 

[Natural Citizen]

I've delayed posting this thread for weeks because I wanted to post how to protect yourself...but I'm not seeing a way to do that

People would have needed to prepare thirty years ago to be in a safe situation.

It's too late for the gullible, though, gonna have to sleep in the beds that have been made.