Dumont v Lyons 2017 : Will Fathers (or Mothers) Be Judicially-Legislated Into Irrelevance?

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Because of course 'step-fathers' and boyfriends are so safe to have in the home when it comes to kids.....What I find amazing is how you ignore the poster who posted of her own sister's history of being molested by her step father in exactly a situation like you talk about....When it comes to adoption- whether the single parent might in the future have a partner is not relevant- except to the extent that a new partner could endanger the adopted children.

One person having a bad history with a father does not make a legal equivalent argument that fathers, all of them, are unimportant as an entire demographic. I know some gays molesting kids. Does that mean there's an argument in that direction as well? Look at the two dykes in CA (link in my signature) subconsciously brainwashing their adopted son into a sex change, getting doctors to dope him on hormones; which is one and the same as child abuse. The "singular example extrapolated" argument is a knife that cuts both ways dear.

 

[Syriusly]

Because of course 'step-fathers' and boyfriends are so safe to have in the home when it comes to kids.....What I find amazing is how you ignore the poster who posted of her own sister's history of being molested by her step father in exactly a situation like you talk about....When it comes to adoption- whether the single parent might in the future have a partner is not relevant- except to the extent that a new partner could endanger the adopted children.

One person having a bad history with a father does not make a legal equivalent argument that fathers, all of them, are unimportant as an entire demographic. r.

No- but you have always ignored that one persons personal experience. As you ignore anything that doesn't fit with what the voices in your head are telling you.

Statistically adoptive children and children in gender are at much higher risk from step fathers and boyfriends than they are from women or their own biological fathers.

You put out a specious argument that its okay for a single mom to adopt- because the kids have hope that some dude might move in later and be a father figure for them- but ignore the statistics which show the dangers of step fathers and boyfriends.

Statistically- two mom's adopting is a safer home for children- than a single mom adopting.

Not only are the children far less likely- statistically- to be sexually molested- they are also far less likely to suffer poverty or from lack of care.

 

[Silhouette]

Statistically adoptive children and children in gender are at much higher risk from step fathers and boyfriends than they are from women or their own biological fathers.

You put out a specious argument that its okay for a single mom to adopt- because the kids have hope that some dude might move in later and be a father figure for them- but ignore the statistics which show the dangers of step fathers and boyfriends....Statistically- two mom's adopting is a safer home for children- than a single mom adopting. ...Not only are the children far less likely- statistically- to be sexually molested- they are also far less likely to suffer poverty or from lack of care.

Well this just proves you wrong. It's one incident, true, but read the link in the OP about gays & lesbians and domestic violence. You can begin to eat crow now:

Lesbian Marrieds & Their 3 Adopted Kids Die. 3 Kids Still Missing

 

[Silhouette]

*crickets*

 

[Silhouette]

Syriusly? You were saying that adopted kids are safer with lesbians than with heteros? Lesbian Marrieds & Their 3 Adopted Kids Die. 3 Kids Still Missing

Domestic Violence Likely More Frequent for Same-Sex Couples - Northwestern Now

Previous studies, when analyzed together, indicate that domestic violence affects 25 percent to 75 percent of lesbian, gay and bisexual individuals. However, a lack of representative data and underreporting of abuse paints an incomplete picture of the true landscape, suggesting even higher rates. An estimated one in four heterosexual women experience domestic abuse, with rates significantly lower for heterosexual men.

 

[Syriusly]

Statistically adoptive children and children in gender are at much higher risk from step fathers and boyfriends than they are from women or their own biological fathers.

You put out a specious argument that its okay for a single mom to adopt- because the kids have hope that some dude might move in later and be a father figure for them- but ignore the statistics which show the dangers of step fathers and boyfriends....Statistically- two mom's adopting is a safer home for children- than a single mom adopting. ...Not only are the children far less likely- statistically- to be sexually molested- they are also far less likely to suffer poverty or from lack of care.

Well this just proves you wrong. It's one incident, true, but read the link in the OP about gays & lesbians and domestic violence. You can begin to eat crow now:

Lesbian Marrieds & Their 3 Adopted Kids Die. 3 Kids Still Missing

Nope that just proves your batshit crazy bigotry towards gays.

As I said:
Statistically adoptive children and children in general are at much higher risk from step fathers and boyfriends than they are from women or their own biological fathers.

You put out a specious argument that its okay for a single mom to adopt- because the kids have hope that some dude might move in later and be a father figure for them- but ignore the statistics which show the dangers of step fathers and boyfriends....Statistically- two mom's adopting is a safer home for children- than a single mom adopting. ...Not only are the children far less likely- statistically- to be sexually molested- they are also far less likely to suffer poverty or from lack of care.

 

[Syriusly]

Syriusly? You were saying that adopted kids are safer with lesbians than with heteros? Lesbian Marrieds & Their 3 Adopted Kids Die. 3 Kids Still Missinge]

I was saying that children- all children- are safer with two mom's than with a single mom.
Mom, boyfriend charged with aggravated murder in death of 4-year-old Euclid girl

EUCLID, Ohio -- A mother and her boyfriend have both been charged in the death of the woman's 4-year-old daughter.

Sierra Day and Deonte Lewis were charged with aggravated murder in the death of Aniya Day. The suspects are being held on a $1 million bond each.

Euclid police and paramedics were called to an apartment complex on Lakeshore Boulevard on Sunday after receiving a 911 call that the child was unresponsive. She was later pronounced dead at Euclid Hospital. The hospital reported her death as a suspected homicide and the medical examiner's office confirmed the manner of death as a homicide.

Family members on Monday told FOX 8's Jack Shea there were obvious signs the little girl was being abused and neglected.

Child abuse by mothers' boyfriends: why the overrepresentation? - PubMed - NCBI

Child abuse by mothers' boyfriends: why the overrepresentation?

This study showed that although mothers' boyfriends perform relatively little child care, they are responsible for substantially more child abuse than other nonparental caregivers

 

[Silhouette]

Statistically adoptive children and children in gender are at much higher risk from step fathers and boyfriends than they are from women or their own biological fathers.

You put out a specious argument that its okay for a single mom to adopt- because the kids have hope that some dude might move in later and be a father figure for them- but ignore the statistics which show the dangers of step fathers and boyfriends....Statistically- two mom's adopting is a safer home for children- than a single mom adopting. ...Not only are the children far less likely- statistically- to be sexually molested- they are also far less likely to suffer poverty or from lack of care.

Well this just proves you wrong. It's one incident, true, but read the link in the OP about gays & lesbians and domestic violence. You can begin to eat crow now:

Lesbian Marrieds & Their 3 Adopted Kids Die. 3 Kids Still Missing

Nope that just proves your batshit crazy bigotry towards gays.

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I didn't create the statistics in the link from that other OP.

 

[Syriusly]

Statistically adoptive children and children in gender are at much higher risk from step fathers and boyfriends than they are from women or their own biological fathers.

You put out a specious argument that its okay for a single mom to adopt- because the kids have hope that some dude might move in later and be a father figure for them- but ignore the statistics which show the dangers of step fathers and boyfriends....Statistically- two mom's adopting is a safer home for children- than a single mom adopting. ...Not only are the children far less likely- statistically- to be sexually molested- they are also far less likely to suffer poverty or from lack of care.

Well this just proves you wrong. It's one incident, true, but read the link in the OP about gays & lesbians and domestic violence. You can begin to eat crow now:

Lesbian Marrieds & Their 3 Adopted Kids Die. 3 Kids Still Missing

Nope that just proves your batshit crazy bigotry towards gays.

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I didn't create the statistics in the link from that other OP.

You create your interpretations of statistics.

As I pointed out before
As I said:
Statistically adoptive children and children in general are at much higher risk from step fathers and boyfriends than they are from women or their own biological fathers.

You put out a specious argument that its okay for a single mom to adopt- because the kids have hope that some dude might move in later and be a father figure for them- but ignore the statistics which show the dangers of step fathers and boyfriends....Statistically- two mom's adopting is a safer home for children- than a single mom adopting. ...Not only are the children far less likely- statistically- to be sexually molested- they are also far less likely to suffer poverty or from lack of care.

 

[Silhouette]

You create your interpretations of statistics.

Here's what the link says: Domestic Violence Likely More Frequent for Same-Sex Couples - Northwestern Now

Previous studies, when analyzed together, indicate that domestic violence affects 25 percent to 75 percent of lesbian, gay and bisexual individuals. However, a lack of representative data and underreporting of abuse paints an incomplete picture of the true landscape, suggesting even higher rates. An estimated one in four heterosexual women experience domestic abuse, with rates significantly lower for heterosexual men.

As I recall, speaking of willful misrepresentation and underreporting, you were keen to suppress the fact that the two lesbians were important in ciphering the story about the "marrieds" who killed 3 for sure but likely 6 of their adopted kids last week after fleeing when neighbors called CPS on them (again, apparently multiple complaints about the lesbian marrieds). You wanted the story not to mention they were lesbian, only "parents". But since there's a difference in domestic violence, in this case the type that kills kids as well as adults, between LGBT and normal people, there's a reason to mention that the "parents" were lesbian.

You would suppress that. And hence the problem with misinformation leading to children's deaths. If authorities knew that domestic violence is alive and well and more preponderant in lesbians than in hetero women in charge of kids, they might have responded earlier and with more effectiveness. The judge handling this case in Dumont as well as the public at large have been horse-whipped befuddled, bullied and lied to into submission to the myth that "lesbians are pure as the driven snow and make the best parents ever!!". We'll see...

I've known a lesbian couple personally, raising kids. There was rampant sexual abuse reported by kids who were friends of their kids.

 

[Syriusly]

You create your interpretations of statistics.

Here's what the link says: Domestic Violence Likely More Frequent for Same-Sex Couples - Northwestern Now

Previous studies, when analyzed together, indicate that domestic violence affects 25 percent to 75 percent of lesbian, gay and bisexual individuals. However, a lack of representative data and underreporting of abuse paints an incomplete picture of the true landscape, suggesting even higher rates. An estimated one in four heterosexual women experience domestic abuse, with rates significantly lower for heterosexual men.

As I recall, speaking of willful misrepresentation and underreporting, you were keen to suppress the fact that the two lesbians .

And once again I will point out that the study you cite:
a) Refers to domestic violence between couples- not violence to children
b) And notes that the answer is not definitive

CHICAGO --- Domestic violence occurs at least as frequently, and likely even more so, between same-sex couples compared to opposite-sex couples, according to a review of literature by Northwestern Medicine® scientists.

Why you bring that up in context to Dumont v. Lyons I don't know- other than you always are looking for ways to attack gays.

What we do know is that children with single mom's are more at risk because of the men in the single mom's lives:


Child abuse by mothers' boyfriends: why the overrepresentation? - PubMed - NCBI

Child abuse by mothers' boyfriends: why the overrepresentation?

This study showed that although mothers' boyfriends perform relatively little child care, they are responsible for substantially more child abuse than other nonparental caregivers

Yet you continue to argue for policies that put children in more danger- and otherwise harm children.

Why do you want children to come to harm?

 

[Silhouette]

You create your interpretations of statistics.

Here's what the link says: Domestic Violence Likely More Frequent for Same-Sex Couples - Northwestern Now

Previous studies, when analyzed together, indicate that domestic violence affects 25 percent to 75 percent of lesbian, gay and bisexual individuals. However, a lack of representative data and underreporting of abuse paints an incomplete picture of the true landscape, suggesting even higher rates. An estimated one in four heterosexual women experience domestic abuse, with rates significantly lower for heterosexual men.

As I recall, speaking of willful misrepresentation and underreporting, you were keen to suppress the fact that the two lesbians and not merely "parents" were at fault in the crime below.. .

And once again I will point out that the study you cite:
a) Refers to domestic violence between couples- not violence to children

Yes but the domestic violence in the case of the two WA State lesbians who died last week from tire tracks that appear to be purposeful suicide/murder, with a history of domestic violence WHICH INCLUDED VIOLENCE TO THEIR CHILDREN (see the thread's most recent page for details), resulted in the death of 3 for sure but almost certainly all 6 of their adopted children. Lesbian Marrieds & Their 3 Adopted Kids Die. 3 Kids Still Missing Post #173

Mums who drove family off cliff had ‘violent history’

THE mums who drove over the edge of a cliff with their adopted kids in the car were reportedly investigated for starving them, and one had been convicted for hitting their daughter....

Last year, one of the Hart’s daughters also range their doorbell at 1:30am accusing her mums of abuse....She “was at our door in a blanket saying we needed to protect her,” Bruce DeKalb said. “She said that they were abusing her.”...It wasn’t the first time they’d faced charges of abuse — in 2011, when the family was living in Minnesota, Sarah Hart pleaded guilty to domestic assault after their then six-year-old daughter told her teacher she had “owies on her tummy.”...When the teacher lifted up the child’s shirt, she saw the girl had bruises across her stomach and back, KATU reports

Those tire marks speak of pointing directly out to sea from a standstill, punching the accelerator and making the decision to kill 6 adopted orphans in the process. That decision was made by lesbians, otherwise very content and perfect looking family, who were showing a nice face to the public (watch the neighbor video) while committing atrocities behind closed doors. You're saying the fact that they were lesbians is inconsequential. The statistics from the quote above says otherwise. It's something that needs to be considered in Dumont, statistics and propensity to abuse children while engaged in domestic violence. That among other considerations. And, that children should have representation at Dumont.

Welcome to crazy town, lesbian style.

 

[Syriusly]

You create your interpretations of statistics.

Here's what the link says: Domestic Violence Likely More Frequent for Same-Sex Couples - Northwestern Now

Previous studies, when analyzed together, indicate that domestic violence affects 25 percent to 75 percent of lesbian, gay and bisexual individuals. However, a lack of representative data and underreporting of abuse paints an incomplete picture of the true landscape, suggesting even higher rates. An estimated one in four heterosexual women experience domestic abuse, with rates significantly lower for heterosexual men.

As I recall, speaking of willful misrepresentation and underreporting, you were keen to suppress the fact that the two lesbians were important in ciphering the story about the "marrieds" who killed 3 for sure but likely 6 of their adopted kids last week after fleeing when neighbors called CPS on them (again, apparently multiple complaints about the lesbian marrieds). You wanted the story not to mention they were lesbian, only "parents". But since there's a difference in domestic violence, in this case the type that kills kids as well as adults, between LGBT and normal people, there's a reason to mention that the "parents" were lesbian..

No- the only difference is that bigots like you use the tragedy of these kids death to promote your bigoted agenda.

Unfortunately parents kill their kids far to often in America. Most of the time they are straight- but it appears in this instance that these women- who happened to be gay- killed themselves and their kids.

Everyone sees the headlines- tragic case after tragic case of parents killing their kids.

EUCLID, Ohio -- A mother and her boyfriend have both been charged in the death of the woman's 4-year-old daughter.

Sierra Day and Deonte Lewis were charged with aggravated murder in the death of Aniya Day. The suspects are being held on a $1 million bond each.

Euclid police and paramedics were called to an apartment complex on Lakeshore Boulevard on Sunday after receiving a 911 call that the child was unresponsive. She was later pronounced dead at Euclid Hospital. The hospital reported her death as a suspected homicide and the medical examiner's office confirmed the manner of death as a homicide.

Family members on Monday told FOX 8's Jack Shea there were obvious signs the little girl was being abused and neglected.
https://nypost.com/2018/01/08/3-dead-in-apparent-murder-suicide-at-ritzy-beach-hotel/
Mom allegedly killed young sons, husband in murder-suicide at ritzy resort

Investigators said it appeared the 37-year-old mother used a handgun to kill her husband and two sons in a murder-suicide.

 

[Syriusly]

You create your interpretations of statistics.

Here's what the link says: Domestic Violence Likely More Frequent for Same-Sex Couples - Northwestern Now

Previous studies, when analyzed together, indicate that domestic violence affects 25 percent to 75 percent of lesbian, gay and bisexual individuals. However, a lack of representative data and underreporting of abuse paints an incomplete picture of the true landscape, suggesting even higher rates. An estimated one in four heterosexual women experience domestic abuse, with rates significantly lower for heterosexual men.

As I recall, speaking of willful misrepresentation and underreporting, you were keen to suppress the fact that the two lesbians .

No- I was pointing out that your thread was just another example of your bigotry towards gays.

That your thread was no different than an anti-semite blaming Jews for the deaths- no different than if you had started a thread saying:

Jews kill their six kids in murder suicide pact.

You are doing what you bigots do- anti-semites- racists- you.

All part and parcel the same.

 

[Syriusly]

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Yes but the domestic violence in the case of the two WA State lesbians who died last week from tire tracks that appear to be purposeful suicide/murder, with a history of domestic violence WHICH INCLUDED VIOLENCE TO THEIR CHILDREN (see the thread's most recent page for details), resulted in the death of 3 for sure but almost certainly all 6 of their adopted children. Lesbian Marrieds & Their 3 Adopted Kids Die. 3 Kids Still Missing Post #173

And the domestic violence to their kids and the apparent murder of their kids is a tragedy. A tragedy that you are trying to exploit for your anti-gay agenda.

There is no indication that it has anything to do with their sexual orientation.

It is no different than you blaming the deaths on the parents race or religion.

It is what you bigots do.

 

[Syriusly]

https://nypost.com/2018/03/15/dad-in-murder-suicide-tried-to-get-back-with-mother-of-slain-baby/

Dad in murder-suicide tried to get back with mother of slain baby

The killer Brooklyn dad was drinking Hennessy and tried to get back with the mother of his slain daughter before going on a murderous rampage and committing suicide, sources told The Post on Thursday.

 

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Mom of 2 Kids Killed by Dad on Father's Day Visit: I Had 'Sought Help on Numerous Occasions'

A California woman whose estranged husband killed their two young children and then hanged himself around Father’s Day weekend says she “sought help on numerous occasions” before the murder-suicide — without success.

 

[Silhouette]

I'm just going to repost it, so spam away.

 

[Syriusly]

I can keep posting stories of these horrible tragedies- horrible examples of straight couples killing their kids, killing themselves and their kids- or worse- not because I want to- but because you insist on your bigoted propaganda to harm children and gays.

None of these examples mean that because they are straight that all straight parents are unfit parents. But if you keep trotting out the example of the tragedy with the two mom's and their kids- I will continue to point out that this kind of horrible tragedy has nothing to do with sexual orientation.

Pennsylvania Couple Raped, Killed, and Chopped Up Disabled Adopted Daughter, Police Say

Pennsylvania Couple Raped, Killed, and Chopped Up Disabled Adopted Daughter, Police Say

A Pennsylvania man and woman raped and dismembered the woman’s adoptive daughter as part of a disturbed “fantasy,” police said this weekend. Then the couple collected the teenager’s Social Security payments for months, profiting off her death

 

[Syriusly]

You create your interpretations of statistics.

Here's what the link says: Domestic Violence Likely More Frequent for Same-Sex Couples - Northwestern Now.

'likely more frequent'

Not always more frequent. Not absolutely more frequent. But likely.

For same sex couples

To each other.

Which makes this citation completely irrelevant to violence to children.