Dumont v Lyons 2017 : Will Fathers (or Mothers) Be Judicially-Legislated Into Irrelevance?

[Silhouette]

You create your interpretations of statistics.

Here's what the link says: Domestic Violence Likely More Frequent for Same-Sex Couples - Northwestern Now

Previous studies, when analyzed together, indicate that domestic violence affects 25 percent to 75 percent of lesbian, gay and bisexual individuals. However, a lack of representative data and underreporting of abuse paints an incomplete picture of the true landscape, suggesting even higher rates. An estimated one in four heterosexual women experience domestic abuse, with rates significantly lower for heterosexual men.

As I recall, speaking of willful misrepresentation and underreporting, you were keen to suppress the fact that the two lesbians and not merely "parents" were at fault in the crime below.. .

And once again I will point out that the study you cite:
a) Refers to domestic violence between couples- not violence to children

Yes but the domestic violence in the case of the two WA State lesbians who died last week from tire tracks that appear to be purposeful suicide/murder, with a history of domestic violence WHICH INCLUDED VIOLENCE TO THEIR CHILDREN (see the thread's most recent page for details), resulted in the death of 3 for sure but almost certainly all 6 of their adopted children. Lesbian Marrieds & Their 3 Adopted Kids Die. 3 Kids Still Missing Post #173

Mums who drove family off cliff had ‘violent history’

THE mums who drove over the edge of a cliff with their adopted kids in the car were reportedly investigated for starving them, and one had been convicted for hitting their daughter....

Last year, one of the Hart’s daughters also range their doorbell at 1:30am accusing her mums of abuse....She “was at our door in a blanket saying we needed to protect her,” Bruce DeKalb said. “She said that they were abusing her.”...It wasn’t the first time they’d faced charges of abuse — in 2011, when the family was living in Minnesota, Sarah Hart pleaded guilty to domestic assault after their then six-year-old daughter told her teacher she had “owies on her tummy.”...When the teacher lifted up the child’s shirt, she saw the girl had bruises across her stomach and back, KATU reports

Those tire marks speak of pointing directly out to sea from a standstill, punching the accelerator and making the decision to kill 6 adopted orphans in the process. That decision was made by lesbians, otherwise very content and perfect looking family, who were showing a nice face to the public (watch the neighbor video) while committing atrocities behind closed doors. You're saying the fact that they were lesbians is inconsequential. The statistics from the quote above says otherwise. It's something that needs to be considered in Dumont, statistics and propensity to abuse children while engaged in domestic violence. That among other considerations. And, that children should have representation at Dumont.

Welcome to crazy town, lesbian style.

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As promised. Syriusly, the more you spam after a post like this one ^^ the more afraid I know your masters are of anyone seeing it.

 

[Syriusly]

[ You're saying the fact that they were lesbians is inconsequential. The statistics from the quote above says otherwise.
Welcome to crazy town, lesbian style.

Welcome to Silhouette's crazy world of anti-gay bigotry.

The quote doesn't say anything about violence to children. Again you are lying.
The quote doesn't say that these women were violent because they were lesbians. Again you are lying.

The only reason you mention this story- rather than the hundreds of other tragedies where we know parents have killed their kids- is because the women are gay.

And you are a bigot.

 

[Syriusly]

You create your interpretations of statistics.

Here's what the link says: Domestic Violence Likely More Frequent for Same-Sex Couples - Northwestern Now

Previous studies, when analyzed together, indicate that domestic violence affects 25 percent to 75 percent of lesbian, gay and bisexual individuals. However, a lack of representative data and underreporting of abuse paints an incomplete picture of the true landscape, suggesting even higher rates. An estimated one in four heterosexual women experience domestic abuse, with rates significantly lower for heterosexual men.

As I recall, speaking of willful misrepresentation and underreporting, you were keen to suppress the fact that the two lesbians and not merely "parents" were at fault in the crime below.. .

And once again I will point out that the study you cite:
a) Refers to domestic violence between couples- not violence to children

Yes but the domestic violence in the case of the two WA State lesbians who died last week from tire tracks that appear to be purposeful suicide/murder, with a history of domestic violence WHICH INCLUDED VIOLENCE TO THEIR CHILDREN (see the thread's most recent page for details), resulted in the death of 3 for sure but almost certainly all 6 of their adopted children. Lesbian Marrieds & Their 3 Adopted Kids Die. 3 Kids Still Missing Post #173.

And the domestic violence to their kids and the apparent murder of their kids is a tragedy. A tragedy that you are trying to exploit for your anti-gay agenda.

There is no indication that it has anything to do with their sexual orientation.

It is no different than you blaming the deaths on the parents race or religion.

It is what you bigots do.

 

[Syriusly]

Adoptive Parents Killed Special Needs Son in Plot Inspired by 'Manchester by the Sea': DA

A New York State district attorney has leveled disturbing allegations against a couple accused of killing their adopted teenage son.

Ernest Franklin II, 35, and Heather Franklin, 33, allegedly started a fire in their upstate New York home to cover up the death of 16-year-old Jeffrey Franklin last month.

Read: Teacher and Special Needs Student, 8, Killed in Elementary School Murder-Suicide Shooting: Cops

It was all part of a plan the couple hatched in the hours after watching the film Manchester by the Sea with Jeffrey on February 28, according to Chenango County District Attorney Joseph McBride.

"In that movie, Judge, the main character in that movie, kills his children by an accidental fire and is told in the movie that you can't be prosecuted for accidentally killing your children, and within two hours of that movie playing to this defendant and her husband, Jeffrey's deceased," McBride said, according to transcripts obtained by WBNG.

McBride said Heather Franklin, who is pregnant with the couple's child, "inexplicably left the house" and drove around until a fire intentionally set by her husband, engulfed their home with Jeffrey's body inside.

Ernest and Heather are charged with murder in the second degree, arson and tampering with physical evidence.

"[Ernest] claims that a fire was started at his house accidentally when his wife happened to be shopping and he happened to leave the dogs out. There were no animals found in the house. No one else was left in the house, and the defendant, with all due respect, was not injured in any way trying to save the alleged — the victim in this particular case," McBride said.

McBride said examinations of Jeffrey's body found that he'd inhaled no smoke, indicating he died prior to the fire. He suggested the couple killed Jeffrey because of the "very big strain" his special needs were putting on the family.

"The evidence before the court and the evidence in this matter shows that Jeffrey was a handful, that he had bowel issues and he had urine control issues," McBride said.

Both Ernest and Heather Franklin have pleaded not guilty. McBride's statements came Friday at a bail review hearing. Ernest Franklin II is being held on $250,000 cash or $500,000 bond while his wife is being held on $125,000 or $250,000 bond.

Read: Family Mourns American Dad Killed in London Terror Attack: 'This Pain is So Heart Wrenching'

Heather Franklin's attorney said his client is innocent until proven guilty.

"We will post reasonable amount of bail

 

[Syriusly]

Man Kills His 8-Week-Old Son, Wife, and Mother Before Taking His Own Life: Cops
Man Kills His 8-Week-Old Son, Wife, and Mother Before Taking His Own Life: Cops

 

[Moonglow]

Dumont v Lyons 2017 : Will Fathers (or Mothers) Be Judicially-Legislated Into Irrelevance?

No the economy run by rich folks have made damn sure that the parents are irrelevant to their profit...By having high cost of living versus low wages both parents must work and kids get to raise themselves......damn shame considering that this is a wealthy nation....

 

[Syriusly]

Oh and this case is particularly on point.

Biological father kills his own child.

Female Couple Awarded Millions After Birth Father Kills Adopted Child

There’s really no good outcome for such a horrifying story as the one a female couple in Iowa endured when the baby they were in the process of adopting — who’d lived with them for three months — was reclaimed by his biological parents only to die at the hands of his birth father. The couple, Rachel and Heidi McFarland......

The story began when the McFarlands planned to adopt the grandson of one of Rachel’s co-workers. The couple attended the boy’s birth in December 2013.

“We coached [the mother] through labor,” Rachel said of the child’s birth mother, Markeya Atkins, according to People. “I cut the umbilical cord. He was in our arms and care the second he was born. We both wanted a boy and both wanted to name him Gabriel. It is a strong name. It is my favorite story from the Bible.”

But by March of that year, after Gabriel had lived with the McFarlands for nearly three months, Atkins decided she wanted the child back for fear that the McFarlands would shut her out of his life entirely, and 10 days later he was back with his biological mother.

“[Rieper] said there is nothing left for us to do: She wants him back and you have to give him back,” Rachel said about being informed by their lawyer that there was no recourse. “It was horrible. There are no words. We had him for 78 days. We loved him from the first idea. We cut his little mohawk off. All we have left of him is his hair, and little did we know that would be all we had left of him.”

And as gut-wrenching as having to give up the baby they loved and cared for was, the story only became grimmer. About five weeks later the McFarlands discovered during a local news segment that Gabriel’s biological father Drew James Weehler Smith murdered the infant.

 

[Syriusly]

Texas father charged with capital murder in adopted girl’s death

Prosecutors in Dallas will decide in the coming weeks whether to seek the death penalty against the adoptive father of a 3-year-old girl whose body was found two weeks after she went missing.

A grand jury in Dallas County, Texas, on Friday returned several charges, most notably capital murder, against Wesley Mathews. He is accused of killing Sherin Mathews in October 2017.

 

[Syriusly]

Texas father kills 2 children in apparent murder-suicide, police say

Texas father kills 2 children in apparent murder-suicide, police say

“Upon arrival, officers found a 5-year-old female, 9-year-old male and adult male all deceased from apparent gunshot wounds. Initial investigation revealed the father shot the children and then shot himself,” North Richland Hills police said in a statement.

 

[Silhouette]

You're ignoring that the link says that domestic violence can be up to 75% in LGBT while it is around 25% for heteros. No one is disputing that some men do domestic violence. But as flacaltenn told you, there are many many more resources & oversight for hetero women than gay women or gay men as a safety net.

 

[Dragonlady]

You're ignoring that the link says that domestic violence can be up to 75% in LGBT while it is around 25% for heteros. No one is disputing that some men do domestic violence. But as flacaltenn told you, there are many many more resources & oversight for hetero women than gay women or gay men as a safety net.

That’s not what your link said. It said that the rate of domestic violence was from 25% - 75% or more. They had no accurate statistics because DV is under-reported.

In other words, they’re pulling numbers out their asses because they’re just as desperate as you are to prove gay marriages are troubled.

There is no evidence to suggest that gay relationships are any more prone to violence or other domestic issues than straight marriages.

 

[Silhouette]

That’s not what your link said. It said that the rate of domestic violence was from 25% - 75% or more. They had no accurate statistics because DV is under-reported.

In gays and lesbians, precisely from what I like to call the "PC factor". Part of the PC religion is avoiding heresy. It would be EXTREMELY heretical to report any domestic violence in LGBT because that might not shine a light of perfection on the cult. ie: it's hard to sell a cult with endemic violence on either the courts or the People.

So, yeah, under reported. You bet.

 

[Syriusly]

You're ignoring that the link says that domestic violence can be up to 75% in LGBT while it is around 25% for heteros. .

Which has nothing to do with violence against children.

 

[Syriusly]

That’s not what your link said. It said that the rate of domestic violence was from 25% - 75% or more. They had no accurate statistics because DV is under-reported.

In gays and lesbians, precisely from what I like to call the "PC factor". Part of the PC religion is avoiding heresy. It would be EXTREMELY heretical to report any domestic violence in LGBT .

I live in San Francisco- domestic violence between same gender couples is reported just like between opposite gender couples- and handled the same way.

What you call the "PC Factor" is more correctly called the "B.S. Factor"

 

[Dragonlady]

That’s not what your link said. It said that the rate of domestic violence was from 25% - 75% or more. They had no accurate statistics because DV is under-reported.

In gays and lesbians, precisely from what I like to call the "PC factor". Part of the PC religion is avoiding heresy. It would be EXTREMELY heretical to report any domestic violence in LGBT because that might not shine a light of perfection on the cult. ie: it's hard to sell a cult with endemic violence on either the courts or the People.

So, yeah, under reported. You bet.

Bullshit. Domestic violence is reported and dealt with for gay couples the same as straight couples.

Gay couples are people - just like you and me. They’re not perfect, nor are they expected to be. They love, marry and divorce, just like straight couples and for the same reasons.

Nobody is covering up for those flaws, but to suggest that all gay couples are prone to violence, you need evidence for that - real evidence, not some obscure blog with no studies to back it up.

 

[Silhouette]

That’s not what your link said. It said that the rate of domestic violence was from 25% - 75% or more. They had no accurate statistics because DV is under-reported.

In gays and lesbians, precisely from what I like to call the "PC factor". Part of the PC religion is avoiding heresy. It would be EXTREMELY heretical to report any domestic violence in LGBT because that might not shine a light of perfection on the cult. ie: it's hard to sell a cult with endemic violence on either the courts or the People.

So, yeah, under reported. You bet.

Bullshit. Domestic violence is reported and dealt with for gay couples the same as straight couples.

Gay couples are people - just like you and me. They’re not perfect, nor are they expected to be. They love, marry and divorce, just like straight couples and for the same reasons.....Nobody is covering up for those flaws, but to suggest that all gay couples are prone to violence, you need evidence for that - real evidence, not some obscure blog with no studies to back it up.

Here's some links to just some studies on LGBT domestic violence courtesy of Oxford Hopefully they're not to "bloggy" for you?:


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[Syriusly]

That’s not what your link said. It said that the rate of domestic violence was from 25% - 75% or more. They had no accurate statistics because DV is under-reported.

In gays and lesbians, precisely from what I like to call the "PC factor". Part of the PC religion is avoiding heresy. It would be EXTREMELY heretical to report any domestic violence in LGBT because that might not shine a light of perfection on the cult. ie: it's hard to sell a cult with endemic violence on either the courts or the People.

So, yeah, under reported. You bet.

Bullshit. Domestic violence is reported and dealt with for gay couples the same as straight couples.

Gay couples are people - just like you and me. They’re not perfect, nor are they expected to be. They love, marry and divorce, just like straight couples and for the same reasons.....Nobody is covering up for those flaws, but to suggest that all gay couples are prone to violence, you need evidence for that - real evidence, not some obscure blog with no studies to back it up.

Here's some links to just some studies on LGBT domestic violence courtesy of Oxford Hopefully they're not to "bloggy" for you?:

Wow you were able to find studies on LGBT relationships and violence?

Like this one:
Turell, S. C., & Herrmann, M. M. (2008). “Family” support for family violence: Exploring community support systems for lesbian and bisexual women who have experienced abuse. Journal of Lesbian Studies, 12(2–3), 211–224.Find this resource:

Now that is a smoking gun.......

 

[Dragonlady]

There weren’t many links in that list, so it was impossible to discern what percentage of these studies were funded by groups opposing same sex marriage or which have an agenda or even their methods and conclusions.

Many studies are more than 10 years old and aren’t really relevant to today’s political climate or laws.

 

[Silhouette]

Wow you were able to find studies on LGBT relationships and violence?

Yes, 120 peer reviewed analysis in just one link's citations. So, the phenomenon exists. But you don't want to talk about it. Not in depth anyway. You would prefer to talk about step dads in hetero relationships. Are you saying fathers should be irrelevant? Don't you think boys would prefer that society values fathers (and them via extension?) Or would you prefer boys to have a negative view of themselves via comparison to how most dykes portray fathers as these evil things that would be well enough off to be eradicated....evidenced by their very core sexual rejection of males....while they still play around with dildos....(closeted hetero)?

One of the important points in Dumont is the setting of a precedent whereby in the eyes of children, both girls AND BOYS, will then see fathers as wholly replaceable with women. ie: boys will see a new society wherein their very differences and uniqueness and value to society has been legally-obliterated (via judicial legislation).

I didn't just haphazardly pick the title of this thread...

 

[Syriusly]

Wow you were able to find studies on LGBT relationships and violence?

Yes, 120 peer reviewed analysis in just one link's citations. ..

But was is obvious when reviewing those citations- and virtually everything you cite- you are of course lying about what the citations mean.

Drag your straw man out and again and swing it around.