Due Process ? Talk to Bill Clinton

[JoeB131]

How do you know? He disappeared as soon as he was forcibly returned to Castro's Cuba. If the rest of the Cuban people are an example, he is trying to avoid starvation by working two or three jobs or subsistence farming.

Go back and read what I posted earlier.

Elian graduated from college as an engineer, he has a wife and kids, and he's a low-level political leader.

Elian did just fine, thanks.

Now, if you were really concerned about the well-being of the Cuban people, we need to stop punishing them because 65 years ago, they picked a form of government we don't like.

the fastest way to end Communism in Cuba would be to normalize relations and let them visit the US to see the benefits of Capitalism.

 

[SweetTea]

No, it isn't. The Zionists are committing Genocide. If that offends your sensibilities, maybe you need to look at yourself.

But, heck, it's not like they're killing white children, amiright

Also, it amazes me that you fucking wingnuts, who have complained about hate speech laws oppressing free speech for decades are now all for suppressing speech you don't like.

If they wanted to kill all the Palestinians, whatever that is, they would have already done so. No reason to drag it out. You have twisted the definition of genocide to meet your current political vent. Typical.

 

[otto105]

If they wanted to kill all the Palestinians, whatever that is, they would have already done so. No reason to drag it out. You have twisted the definition of genocide to meet your current political vent. Typical.

Has the IDF not cleared vast areas of all the population and killed over 55,000 people?

 

[JoeB131]

If they wanted to kill all the Palestinians, whatever that is, they would have already done so. No reason to drag it out. You have twisted the definition of genocide to meet your current political vent. Typical.

By that logic, there shouldn't be any Jews left if Hitler really wanted to kill all the Jews.

Has the IDF not cleared vast areas of all the population and killed over 55,000 people?

It's okay when THEY do it.

 

[Moonglow]

This just goes to show that the leftoids who post here only know what they are told to post and talk about.

No one told them about this fact of law.

Oh, well.

The statement is partially true. The Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996 (IIRIRA) did establish expedited removal, which allows certain non-citizens to be deported without a hearing, particularly those who recently entered the US without documentation. However, it did not completely eliminate the need for a hearing for all immigrants. Many still retain the right to a hearing before an immigration judge, especially those who have been in the country for a long time, or those seeking asylum.

Here's a more detailed breakdown:

Expedited Removal:

• IIRIRA created the process of expedited removal, allowing immigration officers to deport certain individuals without a full hearing before an immigration judge.
  
  
• This process is typically used for individuals who recently entered the US without inspection or documentation, or who are found within a certain distance of the border.
  
  
• Individuals subject to expedited removal have limited opportunities to challenge their deportation, as they typically cannot appeal their removal to federal court.
  

Hearing Before Deportation:

• While expedited removal streamlined the deportation process for some, it did not eliminate the need for a hearing for everyone.
  
  
• Many individuals are still entitled to a hearing before an immigration judge, especially those who have been in the US for a longer period, or those seeking asylum or other forms of relief from deportation.
  
  
• These hearings allow individuals to present evidence, argue their case, and potentially obtain a more favorable outcome.
  

In conclusion: The 1996 immigration bill significantly altered the deportation process by introducing expedited removal, but it did not completely eliminate the need for a hearing before deportation for all immigrants. According to the American Immigration Council, some immigrants can still face deportation without a hearing, while others are still entitled to a full hearing before an immigration judge.

 

[SweetTea]

By that logic, there shouldn't be any Jews left if Hitler really wanted to kill all the Jews.

Oh, Israel is round up Palestinians and killing them? Who knew?

If Israel’s goal was to kill all the Palestinians, they wouldn’t tell them where to go before bombing. They would have bombed the small area of Gaza into oblivion. They didn’t and they haven’t. This is not a genocide. Yes, innocent people are being killed, but you can blame the tactics of Hamas terrorist for that. Innocent people die in every war. That doesn't make every war a genocide. You guys have fallen victim to a political narrative that is pure hogwash.

 

[JoeB131]

Oh, Israel is round up Palestinians and killing them? Who knew?

If Israel’s goal was to kill all the Palestinians, they wouldn’t tell them where to go before bombing. They would have bombed the small area of Gaza into oblivion. They didn’t and they haven’t. This is not a genocide. Yes, innocent people are being killed, but you can blame the tactics of Hamas terrorist for that. Innocent people die in every war. That doesn't make every war a genocide. You guys have fallen victim to a political narrative that is pure hogwash.

Guy, war is when you have two armies fighting each other.

This is the bombing and systematic extermination of a people, with the intent to drive them from their homes.

Just because it lacks the industrial German efficiency of the Holocaust, doesn't make it less of a genocide.

 

[SweetTea]

This is the bombing and systematic extermination of a people, with the intent to drive them from their homes.

Which is it? An extermination of a people or driving them from their homes. The latter is not genocide. The former, which would be genocide, is clearly not what Israel is doing. If that was their goal, they would have accomplished it long ago.

 

[JoeB131]

Which is it? An extermination of a people or driving them from their homes. The latter is not genocide. The former, which would be genocide, is clearly not what Israel is doing. If that was their goal, they would have accomplished it long ago.

Look up the UN definition of Genocide. What Israel is doing definitely applies.

 

[SweetTea]

Look up the UN definition of Genocide. What Israel is doing definitely applies.

The UN is full of terrorist apologists. I am sure they changed the definition to suit their needs. I am not sure why choose other country’s opinions over your own on virtually every issue.

 

[JoeB131]

The UN is full of terrorist apologists. I am sure they changed the definition to suit their needs. I am not sure why choose other country’s opinions over your own on virtually every issue.

First, that's been the UN's definition of Genocide since 1951

Secondly, we signed onto that definition in 1951. Our diplomats helped craft it. It was the rationale we used to intervene in the Balkans in the 1990s when the Serbs were committing genocide in Bosnia and Kosovo. That we have leaders who are beholden to the Zionist Lobby and are turning a blind eye to it now is a sad commentary.

Here's the better question: Why are you putting the interests of the Zionist Entity above that of America? Our support of Israel doesn't really help America; it makes us kind of a pariah around the world, even among our allies.

 

[SweetTea]

First, that's been the UN's definition of Genocide since 1951

Secondly, we signed onto that definition in 1951. Our diplomats helped craft it. It was the rationale we used to intervene in the Balkans in the 1990s when the Serbs were committing genocide in Bosnia and Kosovo. That we have leaders who are beholden to the Zionist Lobby and are turning a blind eye to it now is a sad commentary.

Here's the better question: Why are you putting the interests of the Zionist Entity above that of America? Our support of Israel doesn't really help America; it makes us kind of a pariah around the world, even among our allies.

Ok, so just make sure you add a footnote every time you call what is going on in Gaza as a genocide to denote that you are not using the dictionary definition of genocide, but rather the much broader definition devised by the UN. It isn’t genocide as most of us understand the word to mean. If it was a question on the SAT or ACT, you would get it wrong if you defined it as the UN has chosen to do. They should have simply chosen a different word, rather than attempt to redefine it on their own terms.

 

[JoeB131]

Ok, so just make sure you add a footnote every time you call what is going on in Gaza as a genocide to denote that you are not using the dictionary definition of genocide, but rather the much broader definition devised by the UN. It isn’t genocide as most of us understand the word to mean. If it was a question on the SAT or ACT, you would get it wrong if you defined it as the UN has chosen to do. They should have simply chosen a different word, rather than attempt to redefine it on their own terms.

Again, the US signed on to that definition and it was our basis for going to war in Kosovo.

You can't pretend it's Genocide when the Serbs do it and not genocide when the Jews do it.

It's also the same standard we are applying to the government of Myanmare in their treatment of the Rohinga. It was part of our rationale for going to war with Saddam in 2003.

It isn't a question on the ACT, is it? I mean, if you want to base policy on a test question, that's fine and all, but we signed treaties agreeing to that definition.


Okay, here's the UN Definition.

Article II

In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

1. Killing members of the group;
2. Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
3. Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
4. Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
5. Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

Seems to me that Zionists are doing the first three and maybe the fourth to the Palestinians.

GENOCIDE.

I'm glad there are brave young people on our college campuses willing to call it out when they see it.

 

[SweetTea]

Again, the US signed on to that definition and it was our basis for going to war in Kosovo.

You can't pretend it's Genocide when the Serbs do it and not genocide when the Jews do it.

It's also the same standard we are applying to the government of Myanmare in their treatment of the Rohinga. It was part of our rationale for going to war with Saddam in 2003.

It isn't a question on the ACT, is it? I mean, if you want to base policy on a test question, that's fine and all, but we signed treaties agreeing to that definition.


Okay, here's the UN Definition.

Article II

In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

1. Killing members of the group;
2. Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
3. Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
4. Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
5. Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

Seems to me that Zionists are doing the first three and maybe the fourth to the Palestinians.

GENOCIDE.

I'm glad there are brave young people on our college campuses willing to call it out when they see it.

The first 3 can be applied to virtually any war or conflict. Ridiculous.

 

[otto105]

The UN is full of terrorist apologists. I am sure they changed the definition to suit their needs. I am not sure why choose other country’s opinions over your own on virtually every issue.

Anything but the reality of the IDFs clearing of Gaza as genocide, right.

 

[JoeB131]

The first 3 can be applied to virtually any war or conflict. Ridiculous.

Not really. For instance, the Korean War, our intent was to protect the Korean people. Same with our war against Iraq. As misguided as that was, our goal was to liberate those people from a dictator.

The Zionist intent is to crush the Palestinian people. Period, full stop. That's what makes it... genocide.

 

[JoeB131]

Anything but the reality of the IDFs clearing of Gaza as genocide, right.

Just remember, "Christians" like DBA/Cleetus think that Jews need to be in Palestine so Jesus can come back and avenge them against a sinful world.

 

[SweetTea]

Not really. For instance, the Korean War, our intent was to protect the Korean people. Same with our war against Iraq. As misguided as that was, our goal was to liberate those people from a dictator.

The Zionist intent is to crush the Palestinian people. Period, full stop. That's what makes it... genocide.

No, that is not Israel's intent. Their intent is to stop the nuts(Hamas) from continuing their terror attacks against their country. It would help if those living in Gaza wouldn't support them either.

 

[otto105]

No, that is not Israel's intent. Their intent is to stop the nuts(Hamas) from continuing their terror attacks against their country. It would help if those living in Gaza wouldn't support them either.

Bullshit

Bibi has encouraged rightwing parties to force out Palestinian people in the occupied territories for years. Encouraged violence against is a strategy to expand Zionist territory.

You should know that fuckup.

 

[JoeB131]

No, that is not Israel's intent. Their intent is to stop the nuts(Hamas) from continuing their terror attacks against their country. It would help if those living in Gaza wouldn't support them either.

They've been waging war on a place smaller than Chicago for two years now. Come on, no one believes, "We are just looking for the terrorists".