Drive by shooting in Britain...they confiscated their guns too...right?

[JoeB131]

That's because a bunch of whining pussies like you cried like bitches.

When should I expect you to come by and try to take mine if you think I shouldn't own them?

Naw, guy, we send the ATF to take them. Just like you call animal control to put down rabid dogs.

 

[Conservative65]

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And those are the ones that will be most affected by the gun control laws that gun haters want in place. They target people like the two of us yet I've been unable to get anyone in support of stricter gun laws to tell me what kind of background check the person that stole then gun out of my locked car while sitting in the driveway would be subjected to.

I'd have fined you for leaving your gun unattended so a criminal could steal it.

Bet you all get more careful with your guns after that.

You see, you guns nuts are why criminals can get guns so easily. YOu really are the problem.

First, you can't do shit when it comes to me. Your ass won't show up to try and take something you say I shouldn't have. I don't have to worry about pussies like you.

Secondly, n a locked car, out of sight, and on private property isn't unattended. It's protected. Learn the difference. That you call the person a criminal proves he was where he didn't belong. I bet had I caught and shot him you'd be up in arms for me defending my property.

 

[Conservative65]

That's because a bunch of whining pussies like you cried like bitches.

When should I expect you to come by and try to take mine if you think I shouldn't own them?

Naw, guy, we send the ATF to take them. Just like you call animal control to put down rabid dogs.

I didn't think a ***** like you had the guts. Be a man son and do what you say needs to be done. Don't expect you to do so. Pussies run that mouth and run like little bitches when expected to do what they say should be done.

 

[Conservative65]

That's because a bunch of whining pussies like you cried like bitches.

When should I expect you to come by and try to take mine if you think I shouldn't own them?

Naw, guy, we send the ATF to take them. Just like you call animal control to put down rabid dogs.

We? You won't show yourself. Everyone knows you're too scared.

 

[JoeB131]

First, you can't do shit when it comes to me. Your ass won't show up to try and take something you say I shouldn't have. I don't have to worry about pussies like you.

Until we vote in laws to disarm crazies like you. Guy, you think anyone would let you have gun if they read the crazy shit you post here?

Secondly, n a locked car, out of sight, and on private property isn't unattended. It's protected. Learn the difference. That you call the person a criminal proves he was where he didn't belong. I bet had I caught and shot him you'd be up in arms for me defending my property.

I would actually be more worried he was some teenager cutting through your yard, because we hear those tragedies all the time.

 

[JoeB131]

I didn't think a ***** like you had the guts. Be a man son and do what you say needs to be done. Don't expect you to do so. Pussies run that mouth and run like little bitches when expected to do what they say should be done.

again, guy, I'll follow the rule of law, unlike you.

 

[Skull Pilot]

SO here we go with you mixing up your stats again

We aren't talking ALL murder just those murders where the weapon was a gun

FYI fists and feet kill more people than all rifles combined even the scary black ones

And that's the thing. Not all gang murders are committed with guns, either.

So out of 16,000 murders, 1800 are committed by "gang members". Not that they were doing anything gang related, but just being in a gang could get a murder classifed as gang related.

of 16,000 murders, 11,000 are committed with guns.

So guns cause more murders than gangs. sorry.

Never once did I sat ALL gang murders

I have been sticking to the topic of GUN MURDER you haven't

 

[Conservative65]

First, you can't do shit when it comes to me. Your ass won't show up to try and take something you say I shouldn't have. I don't have to worry about pussies like you.

Until we vote in laws to disarm crazies like you. Guy, you think anyone would let you have gun if they read the crazy shit you post here?

Secondly, n a locked car, out of sight, and on private property isn't unattended. It's protected. Learn the difference. That you call the person a criminal proves he was where he didn't belong. I bet had I caught and shot him you'd be up in arms for me defending my property.

I would actually be more worried he was some teenager cutting through your yard, because we hear those tragedies all the time.

A teenager cutting through the yard doesn't break windows and go in locked vehicles if all he's doing passing through.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The fact is that Zimmerman lives by the gun and will die by the gun.

 

[WildBillKelsoe]

If one black person shoots another black person, does that justify slavery?

Nope, and your question is idiotic, like you.

You insist on infringing on the civil rights of the people in the interest of public safety. Why not enslaved blacks? The black on black crime rate was practically nonexistant prior to 1865. I mean if it saves one life, it's worth it, right?

Nope.

Oh, so, it really isn't about public safety, after all? Gotcha, sport!

It's about gun deaths , and the fact that so few now need guns.

What it's about, is you don't want to own a gun, so you don't want anyone else to own a gun.

Liberals are the biggest busy-bodies in the world.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Who does not own a gun, wildbill?

I believe most of us on the Board own at least one.

 

[Skull Pilot]

The fact is that Zimmerman lives by the gun and will die by the gun.

Completely irrelevant

 

[TimothysAlaska]

Yeah....not a problem in Britain...they confiscated guns....no one can get an illegal gun there.....not at all....

UK terror attack feared amid warnings gangs are smuggling in submachine guns

Fears of a Tunisian style attack on the streets of Britain have been raised after it emerged that criminal gangs have been smuggling powerful submachine guns into the country.
Security chiefs are concerned that the weapons, capable of firing 1,000 rounds a minute, could fall into the hands of would be jihadists.
A report from the National Crime Agency (NCA) published last week into serious and organised crime in the UK, found evidence of an “increased threat” of Czech made Skorpion submachine guns being imported into the UK by street gangs in London and the south east.

Dude how dense are you? They still have guns in the uk! I lived there and I used a gun hunting. In fact most of the Brits I knew had guns, rifles and shotguns. Handguns are what is restricted, but you can get one as well as long as you get the required permits and licenses. Maybe you should travel more instead of hiding in your basement, you believe everything you read as long as it supports your world view, and the scary part is you vote for these politicians who have these false views as well.

"Nobody in England has guns!"

"They confiscated all the guns in the uk!"

"Obama is trying to take all the guns like they did in the UK!"

I can tell you have never left the United States for a vacation, maybe you never left your hometown. Most of the complainers on here I would bet do not have passports.

 

[2aguy]

Yeah....not a problem in Britain...they confiscated guns....no one can get an illegal gun there.....not at all....

UK terror attack feared amid warnings gangs are smuggling in submachine guns

Fears of a Tunisian style attack on the streets of Britain have been raised after it emerged that criminal gangs have been smuggling powerful submachine guns into the country.
Security chiefs are concerned that the weapons, capable of firing 1,000 rounds a minute, could fall into the hands of would be jihadists.
A report from the National Crime Agency (NCA) published last week into serious and organised crime in the UK, found evidence of an “increased threat” of Czech made Skorpion submachine guns being imported into the UK by street gangs in London and the south east.

Dude how dense are you? They still have guns in the uk! I lived there and I used a gun hunting. In fact most of the Brits I knew had guns, rifles and shotguns. Handguns are what is restricted, but you can get one as well as long as you get the required permits and licenses. Maybe you should travel more instead of hiding in your basement, you believe everything you read as long as it supports your world view, and the scary part is you vote for these politicians who have these false views as well.

"Nobody in England has guns!"

"They confiscated all the guns in the uk!"

"Obama is trying to take all the guns like they did in the UK!"

I can tell you have never left the United States for a vacation, maybe you never left your hometown. Most of the complainers on here I would bet do not have passports.

No…we are told that the reason there are more gun murders in the U.S. is because we have guns…..I have shown over and over that criminals in Britain, and Europe and Australia all have guns…it is the law abiding people who don't have access to guns. The reason we have more gun murders is that our criminals choose to murder people more often. It is obvious that British criminals also have easy access to guns….they just don't use them to murder people. In fact, after the confiscation the gun murder rate spiked…then settled back to the level it was before the confiscation…so all they did was take guns away from the people who weren't using them to murder people. And they are now experiencing the need to arm more British police…and Australia is seeing an increase in gun crime…..and gun ownership, and Europe is also seeing an increase in gun crime…and they have all the gun control laws all the gun grabbers want….and their criminals still get guns easily.

 

[2aguy]

I don't have any shortcomings you don't seem to be able to understand that 99.999% of legal gun owners will never commit a crime with their weapons

99.99% of lawn darts never killed a kid. We still banned them.

99.999% of side loading cribs didn't result in a baby falling out and smashing his skull. We still banned those.

We pull products off the market all the time when they cause ONE death.

The gun industry is the only one that makes their products deadlier and are rewarded for it.

Wrong…..lawn darts and cribs were defective products…and people died because of unintentional accidents…….

Guns are highly regulated and when a defect is found they are immediately recalled.

The deaths from guns 21,000 by suicide are intentional illegal use. The gun murders in 2014, 8,124 intentional illegal use.

Actual gun accidental deaths in 2013… 505. And that is in a country that had, at the time, over 320 million guns in private hands.

And guns in the hands of American citizens stop violent criminal attack and save lives 1.5 million times a year…..according to bill clinton and affirmed by research done under obama's direction through his CDC in 2013…….

Which numbers are bigger?

 

[2aguy]

Yeah....not a problem in Britain...they confiscated guns....no one can get an illegal gun there.....not at all....

UK terror attack feared amid warnings gangs are smuggling in submachine guns

Fears of a Tunisian style attack on the streets of Britain have been raised after it emerged that criminal gangs have been smuggling powerful submachine guns into the country.
Security chiefs are concerned that the weapons, capable of firing 1,000 rounds a minute, could fall into the hands of would be jihadists.
A report from the National Crime Agency (NCA) published last week into serious and organised crime in the UK, found evidence of an “increased threat” of Czech made Skorpion submachine guns being imported into the UK by street gangs in London and the south east.

Dude how dense are you? They still have guns in the uk! I lived there and I used a gun hunting. In fact most of the Brits I knew had guns, rifles and shotguns. Handguns are what is restricted, but you can get one as well as long as you get the required permits and licenses. Maybe you should travel more instead of hiding in your basement, you believe everything you read as long as it supports your world view, and the scary part is you vote for these politicians who have these false views as well.

"Nobody in England has guns!"

"They confiscated all the guns in the uk!"

"Obama is trying to take all the guns like they did in the UK!"

I can tell you have never left the United States for a vacation, maybe you never left your hometown. Most of the complainers on here I would bet do not have passports.

And yes I know there are still guns in the U.K…..I am the one posting about them…..the gun grabbers over here tell us there aren't guns in the U.K. because of their gun laws…..

And again…their worst mass murder…was done with a shotgun….which is still legal to some people who get special permission…so the only reason they have not had more mass public shootings is their nuts don't do it……and they didn't have nuts doing it that often before the confiscation….and their gun laws are not stopping them now.

They almost had one…a 19 year old bought a Glock 19 on the dark web to shoot up his former university…the cops caught him before he could do it…..so their gun laws are not stopping anything….

 

[2aguy]

SO here we go with you mixing up your stats again

We aren't talking ALL murder just those murders where the weapon was a gun

FYI fists and feet kill more people than all rifles combined even the scary black ones

And that's the thing. Not all gang murders are committed with guns, either.

So out of 16,000 murders, 1800 are committed by "gang members". Not that they were doing anything gang related, but just being in a gang could get a murder classifed as gang related.

of 16,000 murders, 11,000 are committed with guns.

So guns cause more murders than gangs. sorry.

Wrong….they do not classify a gang member shooting his girlfriend as gang related…it is hard to get them to classify actual gang related murder as gang murder….


And of the 8,124 gun murders in 2014, the majority of them were committed by criminals with long histories of violence and criminal records who could not legally own or carry the gun they used. They were not committed by normal people who "snapped" because dinner was late.

 

[2aguy]

Guy we let those people out

Most murders are committed against criminals by criminals get those fuckers off the street for good and see an instant drop in the murder rate but then again I'm not talking just about murder am I?

IDGAF about Europe If you want to live in Europe be my guest we won't even know you're gone

most murders are not criminals killing criminals. They are regular citizens killing their friends and relatives. Most murder victims KNOW their killers. It's why homicide detectives know, first person you look at is the spouse.

Of course, you don't care about Europe. You like to ignore realities that the guns are the problem, not the poor people who commit them.

Wrong…and you know you are wrong…



The final report, which has been submitted to the state, reached a conclusion that many here said they already knew: that there are certain patterns in the lives of many who commit gun violence.

“The majority of individuals involved in urban firearm violence are young men with substantial violence involvement preceding the more serious offense of a firearm crime,”


the report said. “Our findings suggest that integrating data systems could help these individuals better receive the early, comprehensive help that they need to prevent violence involvement.”

Researchers analyzed data on 569 people charged with firearm crimes from 2009 to May 21, 2014, and looked for certain risk factors in their lives, such as whether they had been unemployed, had received help from assistance programs, had been possible victims of child abuse, or had been shot or stabbed. The idea was to show that linking such data could create a better understanding of who might need help before becoming involved in violence.


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---From an article on Operation Ceasefire...it cites the number of criminals in Oakland California who actually shoot people and who get shot, and there criminal backgrounds…




https://newrepublic.com/article/124445/beyond-gun-control

Lost in the debate is that even in high-crime cities, the risk of gun violence is mostly concentrated among a small number of men. In Oakland, for instance, crime experts working with the police department a few years ago found that about 1,000 active members of a few dozen street groups drove most homicides. That’s .3 percent of Oakland’s population. And even within this subgroup, risk fluctuated according to feuds and other beefs. In practical terms, the experts found that over a given stretch of several months only about 50 to 100 men are at the highest risk of shooting someone or getting shot.

Most of these men have criminal records. But it’s not drug deals or turf wars that drives most of the shootings.

Instead, the violence often starts with what seems to outsiders like trivial stuff—“a fight over a girlfriend, a couple of words, a dispute over a dice game,” said Vaughn Crandall, a senior strategist at the California Partnership for Safe Communities, which did the homicide analysis for Oakland.





http://reason.com/archives/1997/04/01/public-health-pot-shots

this article goes at kellerman extensively and his crap research.....and here is some work on who actually kills people...


These and other studies funded by the CDC focus on the presence or absence of guns, rather than the characteristics of the people who use them. Indeed, the CDC's Rosenberg claims in the journalEducational Horizons that murderers are "ourselves--ordinary citizens, professionals, even health care workers": people who kill only because a gun happens to be available. Yet if there is one fact that has been incontestably established by homicide studies, it's that murderers are not ordinary gun owners but extreme aberrants whose life histories include drug abuse, serious accidents, felonies, and irrational violence.

Unlike "ourselves," roughly 90 percent of adult murderers have significant criminal records, averaging an adult criminal career of six or more years with four major felonies.
Access to juvenile records would almost certainly show that the criminal careers of murderers stretch back into their adolescence. In Murder in America (1994), the criminologists Ronald W. Holmes and Stephen T. Holmes report that murderers generally "have histories of committing personal violence in childhood, against other children, siblings, and small animals." Murderers who don't have criminal records usually have histories of psychiatric treatment or domestic violence that did not lead to arrest.
Contrary to the impression fostered by Rosenberg and other opponents of gun ownership, the term "acquaintance homicide" does not mean killings that stem from ordinary family or neighborhood arguments. Typical acquaintance homicides include: an abusive man eventually killing a woman he has repeatedly assaulted; a drug user killing a dealer (or vice versa) in a robbery attempt; and gang members, drug dealers, and other criminals killing each other for reasons of economic rivalry or personal pique.

According to a 1993 article in the Journal of Trauma, 80 percent of murders in Washington, D.C., are related to the drug trade, while "84% of [Philadelphia murder] victims in 1990 had antemortem drug use or criminal history."
A 1994 article in The New England Journal of Medicinereported that 71 percent of Los Angeles children and adolescents injured in drive-by shootings "were documented members of violent street gangs." And University of North Carolina-Charlotte criminal justice scholars Richard Lumb and Paul C. Friday report that 71 percent of adult gunshot wound victims in Charlotte have criminal records.

Gangs in Fort Meyers Florida...

http://www.nbc-2.com/story/22079660/nbc2-investigates-southwest-florida-gangs#.ViPdQrQRakg

The City of Fort Myers has been plagued with violence and murder. NBC2 Investigator Dave Elias dug deeper and found that drugs, crime and gangs are the common elements between those killings.
Lee County Sheriff Mike Scott says the three go hand-in-hand and all appear to be playing a big role in the city's crime problem.
"They're punks. They're criminals. And in most cases – cowards," said Sheriff Scott.

He also explained that gang members live by a much different set of rules.
"We're at a more violent time right now than at any time I recall," said Sheriff Scott. "You're talking about an area that - per capita - is on par with Detroit Michigan, in terms of homicides."
There were 25 murders in Fort Myers alone last year. And Sheriff Scott says all of the killings have those three things in common – drugs, crime and gangs.
"In most every case this is criminal killing criminal. This is bad guy on bad guy," he said.

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The Kate and Mauser study.......

http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Vol30_No2_KatesMauseronline.pdf

I. VIOLENCE: THE DECISIVENESS OF SOCIAL FACTORS

One reason the extent of gun ownership in a society does not spur the murder rate is that murderers are not spread evenly throughout the population. Analysis of perpetrator studies shows that violent criminals—especially murderers—“almost uniformly have a long history of involvement in criminal behav‐ ior.”37 So it would not appreciably raise violence if all law‐ abiding, responsible people had firearms because they are not the ones who rape, rob, or murder.38 By the same token, violent crime would not fall if guns were totally banned to civilians. As the respective examples of Luxembourg and Russia suggest,39 individuals who commit violent crimes will either find guns despite severe controls or will find other weapons to use. 40

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III. DO ORDINARY PEOPLE MURDER?

The “more guns equal more death” mantra seems plausible only when viewed through the rubric that murders mostly in‐ volve ordinary people who kill because they have access to a firearm when they get angry. If this were true, murder might well increase where people have ready access to firearms, but the available data provides no such correlation. Nations and


areas with more guns per capita do not have higher murder rates than those with fewer guns per capita.53

Nevertheless, critics of gun ownership often argue that a “gun in the closet to protect against burglars will most likely be used to shoot a spouse in a moment of rage . . . . The problem is you and me—law‐abiding folks;”54 that banning handgun posses‐ sion only for those with criminal records will “fail to protect us from the most likely source of handgun murder: ordinary citi‐ zens;”55 that “most gun‐related homicides . . . are the result of impulsive actions taken by individuals who have little or no criminal background or who are known to the victims;”56 that “the majority of firearm homicide[s occur] . . . not as the result of criminal activity, but because of arguments between people who know each other;”57 that each year there are thousands of gun murders “by law‐abiding citizens who might have stayed law‐abiding if they had not possessed firearms.”58

These comments appear to rest on no evidence and actually con‐ tradict facts that have so uniformly been established by homicide studies dating back to the 1890s that they have become “crimino‐ logical axioms.”59 Insofar as studies focus on perpetrators, they show that neither a majority, nor many, nor virtually any murder‐ ers are ordinary “law‐abiding citizens.”60

Rather, almost all mur‐ derers are extremely aberrant individuals with life histories of violence, psychopathology, substance abuse, and other dangerous behaviors. “The vast majority of persons involved in life‐ threatening violence have a long criminal record with many prior contacts with the justice system.”61 “Thus homicide—[whether] of a

stranger or [of] someone known to the offender—‘is usually part of a pattern of violence, engaged in by people who are known . . . as violence prone.’”62

Though only 15% of Americans over the age of 15 have arrest records,63 approximately 90 percent of “adult mur‐ derers have adult records, with an average adult criminal career [involving crimes committed as an adult rather than a child] of six or more years, including four major adult felony arrests.”64

These national statistics dovetail with data from local nineteenth and twentieth century studies. For example: victims as well as offenders [in 1950s and 1960s Philadelphia murders] . . . tended to be people with prior police records, usually for violent crimes such as as‐ sault.”65


“The great majority of both perpetrators and victims of [1970s Harlem] assaults and murders had previous [adult] arrests, probably over 80% or more.”66 Boston police and probation officers in the 1990s agreed that of those juvenile‐perpetrated murders where all the facts were known, virtually all were committed by gang members, though the killing was not necessarily gang‐ directed. 67 One example would be a gang member who stabs his girlfriend to death in a fit of anger.68 Regardless of their arrests for other crimes, 80% of 1997 Atlanta murder arrestees had at least one earlier drug offense with 70% having 3 or more prior drug of‐ fenses.69

A New York Times study of the 1,662 murders committed in that city in the years 2003–2005 found that “[m]ore than 90 percent of the killers had criminal records.”70 Baltimore police figures show that “92 percent of murder suspects had [prior] criminal records in 2006.”71 Several of the more recent homicide studies just reviewed


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http://extranosalley.com/?p=82996

WIBW reports the man who murdered Utah Police Officer Douglas Barney was a typical cop-killer, with anextensive criminal record that barred lawful gun possession or purchase.
Briefly quoting the WIBW report linked above:

Cory Henderson, 31, faced multiple state and federal charges going back more than 10 years, according CNN affiliate KUTV.
Henderson pleaded guilty to possessing an unregistered sawed-off rifle in 2005, and in 2010 pleaded guilty to felony possession of a firearm, KUTV reported. Both were federal charges.
Henderson also pleaded not guilty to federal drug and gun charges just last month, KUTV said.​

Just another career criminal, on the streets because a lenient, and truly criminal, justice system let him run free. Cory Henderson was not some moke caught with a roach, he had a record dating back at least ten years, and probably twenty.​

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[2aguy]

Guy we let those people out

Most murders are committed against criminals by criminals get those fuckers off the street for good and see an instant drop in the murder rate but then again I'm not talking just about murder am I?

IDGAF about Europe If you want to live in Europe be my guest we won't even know you're gone

most murders are not criminals killing criminals. They are regular citizens killing their friends and relatives. Most murder victims KNOW their killers. It's why homicide detectives know, first person you look at is the spouse.

Of course, you don't care about Europe. You like to ignore realities that the guns are the problem, not the poor people who commit them.

And here is more…

Houston.....most shooters criminals


Houston murder rate skyrockets in early 2015

McClelland said the majority of murders in the city are committed by people with criminal records against people with criminal records.

 

[2aguy]

Guy we let those people out

Most murders are committed against criminals by criminals get those fuckers off the street for good and see an instant drop in the murder rate but then again I'm not talking just about murder am I?

IDGAF about Europe If you want to live in Europe be my guest we won't even know you're gone

most murders are not criminals killing criminals. They are regular citizens killing their friends and relatives. Most murder victims KNOW their killers. It's why homicide detectives know, first person you look at is the spouse.

Of course, you don't care about Europe. You like to ignore realities that the guns are the problem, not the poor people who commit them.

And of course you are still wrong….


http://www.guns.com/2015/12/16/nearly-half-of-nycs-shootings-gang-related/

Of the more than 300 homicides so far this year in New York City, almost half of those – 40 percent – were determined to be gang-related, with 49 percent of the city’s nearly 1,100 shootings tied to gangs as well.
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Data obtained by the Daily News from the NYPD’s Gang and Juvenile Justice divisions indicate that gang members may be as young as 10 years old, with most members in their teens and early twenties. Those who survive the lifestyle long enough often have extensive criminal records by their 30s.