Dr.King: When people criticize Zionists,they mean Jews,You are talking anti-Semitism!

[sealadaigh]

There's nothing rational to refute about his statement, which was an unsupported bald assertion. He conflated two things without justification.

Being against Zionism does not necessarily equate to being anti-Semitic.

You can dance around that fact all day long, but it won't change reality.

And Martin Luther King probably never said those words , either. Another poster previously pointed out the sources Roudy uses that purportedly record the words of Martin Luther King have been proven in the past to lack credibility.

Being againt Zionism is being a moral person, being a person with a conscience.

I am sure if Martin Luther King was here now he would be against Zionism today.

And if you want to see proof of that, you can see his followers, who were there with Martin Luther King in the Civil Rights Movement, visiting the Israeli Occupied village of Nabi Saleh and standing on a roof crying as they watched children attacked by Israel with tear gas canisters and rubber bullets. They told the Palestinian villagers what they saw in the Occupation, in Occupied Nabeh Saleh was just like what blacks experienced in America, pre Civil Rights Movement days.

Phil Weiss, founder of Mondoweiss, recently visited Occupied Nabi Saleh, in November, and he speaks about the visit to Nabi Saleh by a delegation of the Martin Luther King center for nonviolent change in October.

"Still these rural people carry on. And the international attention gives the villagers hope that they will one day prevail, and that the settlement will be removed from their land and their spring returned to them. Iyad Tamimi, a member of the popular committee, described an inspiring visit in October by a delegation from the Martin Luther King Center for non-violent change. Two dozen veterans of the civil rights movement came to Nabi Saleh, and because they didn't want to be exposed to tear gas and rubber bullets, sat in chairs on the roof to observe. It was not theater to them. It was their own history. Most of them were crying, Iyad said; they told him this is exactly what they experienced in the south. The visitors assured the villagers that Nabi Saleh will prevail, as the civil rights demonstrators in the south prevailed"

A bad day in Nabi Saleh | Mondoweiss

Sherri

Being against Zionism is being Anti-Semite. You know people don't accept antisemitism with open armes like they once used to, so you cover it with being "Anti-Zionists". But every mask, is this, just a mask. And Zionism, like JUDAISM, will survive.

"But the more they afflicted them, the more they multiplied and the more they spread abroad." (Exodus 1:12)

pull that fat head of yours out of your ass. that is like saying being again st communism is anti-asian, or being against socialisn is being anti-anglo saxon.

binhg against zionism is being against colonialism period.

 

[Roudy]

And Martin Luther King probably never said those words , either. Another poster previously pointed out the sources Roudy uses that purportedly record the words of Martin Luther King have been proven in the past to lack credibility.

Being againt Zionism is being a moral person, being a person with a conscience.

I am sure if Martin Luther King was here now he would be against Zionism today.

And if you want to see proof of that, you can see his followers, who were there with Martin Luther King in the Civil Rights Movement, visiting the Israeli Occupied village of Nabi Saleh and standing on a roof crying as they watched children attacked by Israel with tear gas canisters and rubber bullets. They told the Palestinian villagers what they saw in the Occupation, in Occupied Nabeh Saleh was just like what blacks experienced in America, pre Civil Rights Movement days.

Phil Weiss, founder of Mondoweiss, recently visited Occupied Nabi Saleh, in November, and he speaks about the visit to Nabi Saleh by a delegation of the Martin Luther King center for nonviolent change in October.

"Still these rural people carry on. And the international attention gives the villagers hope that they will one day prevail, and that the settlement will be removed from their land and their spring returned to them. Iyad Tamimi, a member of the popular committee, described an inspiring visit in October by a delegation from the Martin Luther King Center for non-violent change. Two dozen veterans of the civil rights movement came to Nabi Saleh, and because they didn't want to be exposed to tear gas and rubber bullets, sat in chairs on the roof to observe. It was not theater to them. It was their own history. Most of them were crying, Iyad said; they told him this is exactly what they experienced in the south. The visitors assured the villagers that Nabi Saleh will prevail, as the civil rights demonstrators in the south prevailed"

A bad day in Nabi Saleh | Mondoweiss

Sherri

Being against Zionism is being Anti-Semite. You know people don't accept antisemitism with open armes like they once used to, so you cover it with being "Anti-Zionists". But every mask, is this, just a mask. And Zionism, like JUDAISM, will survive.

"But the more they afflicted them, the more they multiplied and the more they spread abroad." (Exodus 1:12)

pull that fat head of yours out of your ass. that is like saying being again st communism is anti-asian, or being against socialisn is being anti-anglo saxon.

binhg against zionism is being against colonialism period.

NO you ******* idiot, being against Zionism means being against the Jews having a Jewish state in Israel, the ancient homeland of their ancestors. Your comparisons are like yourself....FULLA SHIT.

Being against Zionism but not an anti Semite, is like saying being against Mecca being run by Muslims, but not being agaianst Islam or Mohammad. You aren't fooling anybody, and you certainly didn't fool Dr. king about 50 years ago. Ha ha.

 

[Billo_Really]

NO you ******* idiot, being against Zionism means being against the Jews having a Jewish state in Israel, the ancient homeland of their ancestors. Your comparisons are like yourself....FULLA SHIT.

The Torah says the jews are to remain in exile, that's not zionism!

Being against Zionism but not an anti Semite, is like saying being against Mecca being run by Muslims, but not being agaianst Islam or Mohammad. You aren't fooling anybody, and you certainly didn't fool Dr. king about 50 years ago. Ha ha.

Maybe the people running Mecca are bad administrators?

Objecting to that, is not being against Islam!

 

[Billo_Really]

Hey Roudy the Retard,

Since you're so into Martin Luther King comments, let's check out a few of his others...

"Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that.
Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that."
Martin Luther King, Jr.​

Do you think Dr. King condones your brand of hatred?


Oh, here's a King comment you can use on Israel...

"A nation that continues year after year to spend more money on military defense than on programs of social uplift is approaching spiritual doom."
Martin Luther King, Jr.​

If Israel is the most militarized country on the planet, then they are approaching spiritual doom; and if they're approaching spiritual doom, then they can't be associated with Judaism.


Here's a comment by King that could be directed towards those who defend Israel...

"He who passively accepts evil is as much involved in it as he who helps to perpetrate it. He who accepts evil without protesting against it is really cooperating with it."
Martin Luther King, Jr.​

I guess that means YOU!


Here's a King comment for those that constantly demonize Palestinian's...

"We must learn to live together as brothers or perish together as fools. "
Martin Luther King, Jr.​

I think its safe to say, you disagree with this one?


Here's a King comment for the Palestinian's...

"Freedom is never voluntarily given by the oppressor; it must be demanded by the oppressed."
Martin Luther King, Jr.​

Which explains their UN bid.


Here's a King comment for those who DON'T criticize Israel.

"The ultimate tragedy is not the oppression and cruelty by the bad people but the silence over that by the good people."
Martin Luther King, Jr.​

Whatcha think about those, big mouth?

 

[Hossfly]

NO you ******* idiot, being against Zionism means being against the Jews having a Jewish state in Israel, the ancient homeland of their ancestors. Your comparisons are like yourself....FULLA SHIT.

The Torah says the jews are to remain in exile, that's not zionism!

Being against Zionism but not an anti Semite, is like saying being against Mecca being run by Muslims, but not being agaianst Islam or Mohammad. You aren't fooling anybody, and you certainly didn't fool Dr. king about 50 years ago. Ha ha.

Maybe the people running Mecca are bad administrators?

Objecting to that, is not being against Islam!

A favor, Loinboy -- could you copy and paste from the Torah where it says the Jews must remain in exile. Thanks in advance.

 

[Billo_Really]

A favor, Loinboy -- could you copy and paste from the Torah where it says the Jews must remain in exile. Thanks in advance.

Not a problem!

Three Strong Oaths

The true Jewish position on Zionism and the state called Israel is found in the Scriptures in the Talmud and in the oral traditions transmitted to us by our parents and teachers.

At the outset of the Jews' exile to Babylonia, the Prophet Jeremiah, in chapter 29 of his book proclaimed G-d's message to all the exiled…Verse seven reads, "Seek out the welfare of the city to which I have exiled you and pray for it to the Almighty, for through its welfare will you have welfare." This has been a cornerstone of Jewish "foreign policy" how to behave in the lands of the nations throughout our ensuing exiles till this very day.

There Jeremiah adds in the name of G-d (verses 8 and 9), "Do not let your false prophets among you and your sorcerers seduce you, do not head your dreamers which you cause them to dream. For they speak falsely to you in My name. I did not send them." This too has applied to all the would-be misleaders of Jewry whether they presented themselves as prophets or as sorcerers or as dreamers of national aspirations.

King Solomon in Song of Songs thrice adjured the "daughters of Jerusalem" not to arouse or bestir the love until it is ready." The Talmud explains That we have been foresworn, by three strong oaths, not to ascend to the Holy Land as a group using force, not to rebel against the governments of countries in which we live, and not by our sins, to prolong the coming of moshiach; as is written in Tractate Kesubos 111a .

Throughout the seventy years of the Babylonian exile, throughout the 200 years of the Hellenic exile and throughout the 1917 since the destruction of G-d's Holy House, we have steadfastly maintained our loyalty to G-d and have not transgressed His oaths. And we have prayed for the welfare of the cities and the countries of our host nations that did not oppress us, and in their welfare we indeed always found ours.

Whoever violates Jeremiah's principles or Solomon's oaths immediately imperils the welfare of Jews locally and elsewhere in the world.

In this case, that would by Roudy.

I told you he was a bad seed and not to hang out with that boy!

 

[Hossfly]

A favor, Loinboy -- could you copy and paste from the Torah where it says the Jews must remain in exile. Thanks in advance.

Not a problem!

Three Strong Oaths

The true Jewish position on Zionism and the state called Israel is found in the Scriptures in the Talmud and in the oral traditions transmitted to us by our parents and teachers.

At the outset of the Jews' exile to Babylonia, the Prophet Jeremiah, in chapter 29 of his book proclaimed G-d's message to all the exiled…Verse seven reads, "Seek out the welfare of the city to which I have exiled you and pray for it to the Almighty, for through its welfare will you have welfare." This has been a cornerstone of Jewish "foreign policy" how to behave in the lands of the nations throughout our ensuing exiles till this very day.

There Jeremiah adds in the name of G-d (verses 8 and 9), "Do not let your false prophets among you and your sorcerers seduce you, do not head your dreamers which you cause them to dream. For they speak falsely to you in My name. I did not send them." This too has applied to all the would-be misleaders of Jewry whether they presented themselves as prophets or as sorcerers or as dreamers of national aspirations.

King Solomon in Song of Songs thrice adjured the "daughters of Jerusalem" not to arouse or bestir the love until it is ready." The Talmud explains That we have been foresworn, by three strong oaths, not to ascend to the Holy Land as a group using force, not to rebel against the governments of countries in which we live, and not by our sins, to prolong the coming of moshiach; as is written in Tractate Kesubos 111a .

Throughout the seventy years of the Babylonian exile, throughout the 200 years of the Hellenic exile and throughout the 1917 since the destruction of G-d's Holy House, we have steadfastly maintained our loyalty to G-d and have not transgressed His oaths. And we have prayed for the welfare of the cities and the countries of our host nations that did not oppress us, and in their welfare we indeed always found ours.

Whoever violates Jeremiah's principles or Solomon's oaths immediately imperils the welfare of Jews locally and elsewhere in the world.

In this case, that would by Roudy.

I told you he was a bad seed and not to hang out with that boy!

That's well and good but I was looking for a quote from the TORAH.

 

[Hossfly]

A favor, Loinboy -- could you copy and paste from the Torah where it says the Jews must remain in exile. Thanks in advance.

Not a problem!

Three Strong Oaths

The true Jewish position on Zionism and the state called Israel is found in the Scriptures in the Talmud and in the oral traditions transmitted to us by our parents and teachers.

At the outset of the Jews' exile to Babylonia, the Prophet Jeremiah, in chapter 29 of his book proclaimed G-d's message to all the exiled…Verse seven reads, "Seek out the welfare of the city to which I have exiled you and pray for it to the Almighty, for through its welfare will you have welfare." This has been a cornerstone of Jewish "foreign policy" how to behave in the lands of the nations throughout our ensuing exiles till this very day.

There Jeremiah adds in the name of G-d (verses 8 and 9), "Do not let your false prophets among you and your sorcerers seduce you, do not head your dreamers which you cause them to dream. For they speak falsely to you in My name. I did not send them." This too has applied to all the would-be misleaders of Jewry whether they presented themselves as prophets or as sorcerers or as dreamers of national aspirations.

King Solomon in Song of Songs thrice adjured the "daughters of Jerusalem" not to arouse or bestir the love until it is ready." The Talmud explains That we have been foresworn, by three strong oaths, not to ascend to the Holy Land as a group using force, not to rebel against the governments of countries in which we live, and not by our sins, to prolong the coming of moshiach; as is written in Tractate Kesubos 111a .

Throughout the seventy years of the Babylonian exile, throughout the 200 years of the Hellenic exile and throughout the 1917 since the destruction of G-d's Holy House, we have steadfastly maintained our loyalty to G-d and have not transgressed His oaths. And we have prayed for the welfare of the cities and the countries of our host nations that did not oppress us, and in their welfare we indeed always found ours.

Whoever violates Jeremiah's principles or Solomon's oaths immediately imperils the welfare of Jews locally and elsewhere in the world.

In this case, that would by Roudy.

I told you he was a bad seed and not to hang out with that boy!

I thought you would come up with something from that group. How come some of these favorite Jews of the hate sites live in Israel themselves? Like I have told to others who have used this tiny, tiny group of Jews, you too can grow a bushy beard, and if you can force yourself to leave your favorite bar in Long Beach for a while can go with these crazies when they visit their equally crazy friends in Iran. By the way, have you ever thought that you might be a bad seed?

 

[toastman]

Big Nazi party in this thread !

Hey goergie and loiney, why are you guys spewing more Jew hating Nazi crap more than usual today ?

If your posts were translated into Arabic, they would say "Allahu Ahkbar Kill All Jews"

 

[Roudy]

A favor, Loinboy -- could you copy and paste from the Torah where it says the Jews must remain in exile. Thanks in advance.

Not a problem!

Three Strong Oaths

The true Jewish position on Zionism and the state called Israel is found in the Scriptures in the Talmud and in the oral traditions transmitted to us by our parents and teachers.

At the outset of the Jews' exile to Babylonia, the Prophet Jeremiah, in chapter 29 of his book proclaimed G-d's message to all the exiled…Verse seven reads, "Seek out the welfare of the city to which I have exiled you and pray for it to the Almighty, for through its welfare will you have welfare." This has been a cornerstone of Jewish "foreign policy" how to behave in the lands of the nations throughout our ensuing exiles till this very day.

There Jeremiah adds in the name of G-d (verses 8 and 9), "Do not let your false prophets among you and your sorcerers seduce you, do not head your dreamers which you cause them to dream. For they speak falsely to you in My name. I did not send them." This too has applied to all the would-be misleaders of Jewry whether they presented themselves as prophets or as sorcerers or as dreamers of national aspirations.

King Solomon in Song of Songs thrice adjured the "daughters of Jerusalem" not to arouse or bestir the love until it is ready." The Talmud explains That we have been foresworn, by three strong oaths, not to ascend to the Holy Land as a group using force, not to rebel against the governments of countries in which we live, and not by our sins, to prolong the coming of moshiach; as is written in Tractate Kesubos 111a .

Throughout the seventy years of the Babylonian exile, throughout the 200 years of the Hellenic exile and throughout the 1917 since the destruction of G-d's Holy House, we have steadfastly maintained our loyalty to G-d and have not transgressed His oaths. And we have prayed for the welfare of the cities and the countries of our host nations that did not oppress us, and in their welfare we indeed always found ours.

Whoever violates Jeremiah's principles or Solomon's oaths immediately imperils the welfare of Jews locally and elsewhere in the world.

In this case, that would by Roudy.

I told you he was a bad seed and not to hang out with that boy!

Oh, look at the ******* retard doing what can be considered "Torah / Talmud interpretations by an illiterate Nazi moron." Then he adds his own bullshit conclusion "Whoever violates Jeremiah's principles or Solomon's oaths immediately imperils the welfare of Jews locally and elsewhere in the world."

You're beginning to sound like a stupid uneducated Muslim **** off the streets of Pakistan that smells like fart.

Promised Land - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"The Promised Land (Hebrew: הארץ המובטחת, translit.: Ha'Aretz HaMuvtahat) is the land promised or given by God, according to the Tanakh (the Hebrew Bible), to the Israelites, the descendants of Jacob. The promise is first made to Abraham (Genesis 15:18-21) and then renewed to his son Isaac, and to Isaac's son Jacob (Genesis 28:13), Abraham's grandson. The promised land was described in terms of the territory from the River of Egypt to the Euphrates river (Exodus 23:31) and was given to their descendants after Moses led the Exodus out of Egypt. (Deuteronomy 1:8)"

Divine promise

The promise that is the basis of the term is contained in several verses of Genesis in the Torah. In Genesis 12:1 it is said:
The LORD had said to Abram, "Leave your country, your people and your father's household and go to the land I will show you."
and in Genesis 12:7:
The LORD appeared to Abram and said, "To your offspring [or seed] I will give this land."
Commentators note that it is to Abram's descendants that the land will (in the future tense) be given, not to Abram directly nor there and then. However, in Genesis 15:7 it is said:
He also said to him, "I am the LORD, who brought you out of Ur of the Chaldeans to give you this land to take possession of it."
And in Genesis 15:18-21 the boundary of the promised land is clarified in terms of the territory of various ancient peoples, as follows:
On that day the LORD made a covenant with Abram and said, "To your descendants I give this land, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the Euphrates - the land of the Kenites, Kenizzites, Kadmonites, Hittites, Perizzites, Rephaites, Amorites, Canaanites, Girgashites and Jebusites."
The verse is said to describe what are known as "borders of the Land" (Gevulot Ha-aretz).[1] In Jewish tradition, these borders define the maximum extent of the land promised to the descendants of Abraham through his son Isaac and grandson Jacob.[2]
The promise was confirmed to Jacob at Genesis 28:13, though the borders are still vague and is in terms of "the land on which you are lying". Other geographical borders are given in Exodus 23:31 which describes borders as marked by the Red Sea, the "Sea of the Philistines" i.e. the Mediterranean, and the "River," (the Euphrates).
The promise is fulfilled at the end of the Exodus from Egypt. Deuteronomy 1:8 says:
See, I have given you this land. Go in and take possession of the land that the LORD swore he would give to your fathers—to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob—and to their descendants after them.
It took a long time before the Israelites could subdue the Canaanite inhabitants of the land. The furthest extent of the Land of Israel was achieved during the time of the united Kingdom of Israel under David.[3][4] The actual land controlled by the Israelites has fluctuated considerably over time and at times the land has been under the control of various empires. However, under Jewish tradition, even when it is not in Jewish occupation, the land has not lost its status as the Promised Land.

 

[Roudy]

Big Nazi party in this thread !

Hey goergie and loiney, why are you guys spewing more Jew hating Nazi crap more than usual today ?

If your posts were translated into Arabic, they would say "Allahu Ahkbar Kill All Jews"

Apparently the fact that Dr. King was a Zionist gets under their skins. It's fun watching them squirm. Ha ha ha.

 

[Roudy]

NO you ******* idiot, being against Zionism means being against the Jews having a Jewish state in Israel, the ancient homeland of their ancestors. Your comparisons are like yourself....FULLA SHIT.

The Torah says the jews are to remain in exile, that's not zionism!

Being against Zionism but not an anti Semite, is like saying being against Mecca being run by Muslims, but not being agaianst Islam or Mohammad. You aren't fooling anybody, and you certainly didn't fool Dr. king about 50 years ago. Ha ha.

Maybe the people running Mecca are bad administrators?

Objecting to that, is not being against Islam!

Heh heh heh. Stop reading Nazi comic books, you ******* retard.

 

[Roudy]

A favor, Loinboy -- could you copy and paste from the Torah where it says the Jews must remain in exile. Thanks in advance.

Not a problem!

Three Strong Oaths

The true Jewish position on Zionism and the state called Israel is found in the Scriptures in the Talmud and in the oral traditions transmitted to us by our parents and teachers.

At the outset of the Jews' exile to Babylonia, the Prophet Jeremiah, in chapter 29 of his book proclaimed G-d's message to all the exiled…Verse seven reads, "Seek out the welfare of the city to which I have exiled you and pray for it to the Almighty, for through its welfare will you have welfare." This has been a cornerstone of Jewish "foreign policy" how to behave in the lands of the nations throughout our ensuing exiles till this very day.

There Jeremiah adds in the name of G-d (verses 8 and 9), "Do not let your false prophets among you and your sorcerers seduce you, do not head your dreamers which you cause them to dream. For they speak falsely to you in My name. I did not send them." This too has applied to all the would-be misleaders of Jewry whether they presented themselves as prophets or as sorcerers or as dreamers of national aspirations.

King Solomon in Song of Songs thrice adjured the "daughters of Jerusalem" not to arouse or bestir the love until it is ready." The Talmud explains That we have been foresworn, by three strong oaths, not to ascend to the Holy Land as a group using force, not to rebel against the governments of countries in which we live, and not by our sins, to prolong the coming of moshiach; as is written in Tractate Kesubos 111a .

Throughout the seventy years of the Babylonian exile, throughout the 200 years of the Hellenic exile and throughout the 1917 since the destruction of G-d's Holy House, we have steadfastly maintained our loyalty to G-d and have not transgressed His oaths. And we have prayed for the welfare of the cities and the countries of our host nations that did not oppress us, and in their welfare we indeed always found ours.

Whoever violates Jeremiah's principles or Solomon's oaths immediately imperils the welfare of Jews locally and elsewhere in the world.

In this case, that would by Roudy.

I told you he was a bad seed and not to hang out with that boy!

That's well and good but I was looking for a quote from the TORAH.

You're gonna make the Nazi **** that shoves his entire arm up his anus start crying! Ha ha ha.

 

[Billo_Really]

That's well and good but I was looking for a quote from the TORAH.

Did I say Torah, I meant Talmud.

I've always had problems with T-words.

Hey, I ain't no expert on Judaism, Catholicism is my thing.

I'm just telling you what I read.

 

[Billo_Really]

"The Promised Land (Hebrew: הארץ המובטחת, translit.: Ha'Aretz HaMuvtahat) is the land promised or given by God,

Given by God, not zionists.

BTW, God ain't gonna give no land to a bunch of racist, apartheid assholes, who think their shit don't stink!

 

[Roudy]

That's well and good but I was looking for a quote from the TORAH.

Did I say Torah, I meant Talmud.

I've always had problems with T-words.

Hey, I ain't no expert on Judaism, Catholicism is my thing.

I'm just telling you what I read.

You should stick to bending over, and leave Torah / Talmud interpretations to those that are qualified.

 

[Billo_Really]

I thought you would come up with something from that group. How come some of these favorite Jews of the hate sites live in Israel themselves?

Why is that a hate site and explain how what they said was wrong.

By the way, have you ever thought that you might be a bad seed?

Badass seed!

 

[Billo_Really]

Big Nazi party in this thread !

Hey goergie and loiney, why are you guys spewing more Jew hating Nazi crap more than usual today ?

If your posts were translated into Arabic, they would say "Allahu Ahkbar Kill All Jews"

How are the "Three Strong Oaths", nazi crap?

 

[Billo_Really]

You're gonna make the Nazi **** that shoves his entire arm up his anus start crying! Ha ha ha.

You're slippin'.

You used to be so much better!

 

[Roudy]

"The Promised Land (Hebrew: הארץ המובטחת, translit.: Ha'Aretz HaMuvtahat) is the land promised or given by God,

Given by God, not zionists.

BTW, God ain't gonna give no land to a bunch of racist, apartheid assholes, who think their shit don't stink!

God doesn't break promises. If you go by those standards of which the Israelis are not guilty of, then Jihading racist barbaric Muslims must evacuate Mecca and all lands currently Islamic, and Crusading Catholics must evacuate the Vatican. Both of them have killed in the hundreds of millions.