Don't like Obama, fine, but why the dishonesty?

[skookerasbil]

Gregg is the fringe part of the fringe. He spend about 14 hours a day posting up sh!t over in the Environmental forum about the "science" of global warming..............lol...........like anybody cares anymore. For Christaskes, even John Kerry avoids questions about global warming these days its so radioactive politically. Gregg doesnt quite understand this dynamic.............still stuck in 2003 debating the "science"

 

[AvgGuyIA]

somethingh tells me my last post shut the good Doc up.

I've got a bridge on Long Island that I'd like to sell you.

 

[drsmith1072]

commenting on the truth is not dishonesty. The kool-aid drinkers are getting upset because the facts are getting out about their messiha. He is not what the people were told he was.!!!! As more facts about him are revealed more people are getting mad at being sold a bunch of lies. This man is a FRAUD, LIAR!!!!!

LOL and notice how none of these alleged "facts" are presented in the post.

Talk about fraud. LOL

This type of post basically substantiates the argument presented in the OP. LOL

 

[Dr.House]

Mr. Gregg is a ******* joke...

I give those of you who have attempted to converse with the troll, but as you can see it's like pulling teeth... Mr. Gregg is just here to insult and flame anyone who doesn't believe his simplistic rantings, then gets upset when you call him out for being the ******* moron he truly is...

I think that's pretty obvious too, but i prefer to fight fire with water. If you want to make a shallow minded person who can only flame people look even worse, then just try to get them to express some logical thought... that's when the real embarrassment happens. It either ends with something that makes no sense or with said person picking up their ball and going home.

Edit: actually there's a 3rd outcome; said person admitting they're an idiot (regarding a certain point), but that's pretty rare.

I wholeheartedly agree with you and have actually done that with Mr. Gregg in other threads, but he's no longer worth the effort at this point... I enjoy watching him whine and cry about getting negged or that "none of the other forumites want to engage him"...

Now he's just a playtoy.... I use him as entertainment, laughing at what the some radical leftists have morphed into...LOL

 

[skookerasbil]

I don't know him personally, so I can't say if I like him or not. My liking someone personally does not depend on their political views.

But I DO know that I don't like his policies and rhetoric.

I don't like his use of the english language as a tool to say one thing but lead people to believe another...and then when he is approcahed with the contradiction, he reminds people of what he said..and clarifies it...making himself right everytime.

Republicans had to "clarify" things on a constant basis for W after he made a moronic or contradictory comment. There are pages and pages of bushisms all over the internet that republicans have tried to "clarify" and explain what he meant to say and those where comments that actually needed clarification. LOL



The only real reason I can see in which obama has to "clarify" what he says is because dishonest people from the right side of the political spectrum constantly take things out of content and pretend that he said something he did not say. Could you provide some examples and links to support your argument??

Likewise, I do not appreciate his constant berating of American businesses and his implication that the wealthy are wealthy due to greed and dihonest business practices.

Some are greedy and dishonest and did get wealthy and some aren't and didn't. However, when referring to people who ran a company into the ground while costing people their jobs and millions in taxpayer dollars but are now collecting bonuses despite that should be berated.

Finally, his policies, like them or not, are class divisive. He claimed tpo be a uniter yet he is proving to be a divider.

Like what policies?? Got any specifics??

Smith..........got a news flash for ya s0n................

Its 2010......................

Oh.........and on the "devisive" stuff...........how about last summer before the beer summit............

 

[skookerasbil]

Oh..........and Smith...........take a gandor on over to Rasmussen Reports this PM s0n...........new #'s out on Obama...............



54% DISAPPROVE !!!

 

[drsmith1072]

commenting on the truth is not dishonesty. The kool-aid drinkers are getting upset because the facts are getting out about their messiha. He is not what the people were told he was.!!!! As more facts about him are revealed more people are getting mad at being sold a bunch of lies. This man is a FRAUD, LIAR!!!!!

I represent as evidence exhibit 1

OK...;lets see what is inaccurate there.

Facts are getting out....this is true as is evident by his poll numbers

That is an interpretation based on your own OPINION and not the truth. Nice try though.

He is not what the people were told he was...this is true as is evident by the fact that he has not pushed fopr any policy that can be deemed as bi-partisan...yet he was marketed as a moderate.

How he is handling afghanistan against the wishes of his base counters your alleged fact.
Oh and what about that bill that republicans sponsored and then voted against to continue acting as the party of NO?

Man is a fraud....again, he said he was a moderate yet his intiatives are most certainly left leaning.

More opinion presented as fact with NOTHING of substance to support said OPINION.

Man is a liar.....this too, is true.....shall I list the lies?
1) I am all for public financing
2) McCain was against amnesty for Mexican immigrants
3) I did not know Bill Ayers
4) I knew Bill Ayers, but did not know him personally
5) I will read each bill and take out any unecessary spending with a scapel
6) All bills will be posted on the internet for 5 days before I sign or veto them
7) I did not bow to the king
8)If we pass the stimulus, unemployement will not go above 8%

I can go on....but the point has been made.

What point where you trying to make that you are doing exactly waht the OP was talking about?? LOL

You say it is being dishonest as you do not want to admit to the truth.......

But as you can see...his post is quite honest.

Only in bizarro world. LOL

 

[Queen]

I agree. Many Republicans are just angry because they lost national elections in 2006 and 2008. Rather than admitting they screwed up and changing for the better, it's easier to make up crap about Obama. Obama, Pelosi and Reid are doing a bang-up job screwing up all on their own. There's no need to make stuff up.

I don't think anyone would argue that its far easier to take an ad hominem approach than it is to actually engage in reasoned debate.

not true, he is indeed a Marxist. to the core. 20 years. with jeramiah bullfrog and farrakam, seeks out radicals and anarchists, sal alinsky, and above all. "we are five days away from fundamentally changing the USof KKKA."

OK, tell us what the definition of marxist is and then list the things Obama has done that are marxist.

LOL!!!!

(Fact is you have no idea what it is and you're just spewing GOP talking points and lies, just like this thread is stating).

 

[Oldandtired]

commenting on the truth is not dishonesty. The kool-aid drinkers are getting upset because the facts are getting out about their messiha. He is not what the people were told he was.!!!! As more facts about him are revealed more people are getting mad at being sold a bunch of lies. This man is a FRAUD, LIAR!!!!!

LOL and notice how none of these alleged "facts" are presented in the post.

Talk about fraud. LOL

This type of post basically substantiates the argument presented in the OP. LOL

If you want to align yourself with the rambling of the doc, go right ahead. I presented enough facts to support my side of the debate. I dont need to play your game of "show me the link".

Feel free to feel as you do. I would say dont come cryiong to me when you realize what a farce this administration is....but likely, you will be blaming someone for it.

 

[Oldandtired]

I don't think anyone would argue that its far easier to take an ad hominem approach than it is to actually engage in reasoned debate.

not true, he is indeed a Marxist. to the core. 20 years. with jeramiah bullfrog and farrakam, seeks out radicals and anarchists, sal alinsky, and above all. "we are five days away from fundamentally changing the USof KKKA."

OK, tell us what the definition of marxist is and then list the things Obama has done that are marxist.

LOL!!!!

(Fact is you have no idea what it is and you're just spewing GOP talking points and lies, just like this thread is stating).

GOP talking points? Exactly what notable memeber of the GOP refers to Obama as a marxist?

 

[Titanic Sailor]

It might be easier if ewe tried explaining how any bill Owe Bamma has passed has not been against the American people, or a corrupt sellout of the American people. From Porkulus, to Iraq, to ramping up Afghanistan, to this health care rip off, and on and on and on.

I know, everyone else is to blame, not your Messiah............

Grow up puss.

The management.

 

[Titanic Sailor]

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!

 

[Titanic Sailor]

Notice how none of these liberal shitbags still supporting Owe Bama can NEVER explain what was dishonest?

 

[actsnoblemartin]

I am not rush fan, but since when do you expect any honesty in politics?

There are plenty things that people could find Obama not doing a good job in.So why do so many on this forum and other places have to lie, exaggerate, and make shit up about Obama? Why call him socialist, marxist, the "messiah", "owebama", claim he isn't a US citizen, claims he want to destroy america? or claim things done by other people is really Obama's doing, and anything that goes on in the gov't or military is under Obama's direction?

YOu totally discredit any point you may have when you resort to such Glenn Beck/Rush type absurd attacks and arguments. You just look like some stupid, childish, partisan hack nutjob when you do so.

 

[drsmith1072]

I don't like his use of the english language as a tool to say one thing but lead people to believe another...and then when he is approcahed with the contradiction, he reminds people of what he said..and clarifies it...making himself right everytime.

It is the role of a public speaker to ensure the listener understands exactly what he means when he speaks. Obama uses words to do the opposite.
One of Gibbs' most used lines is "that is not what he said...I have the transcript...look at the transcript"

Likewise, I do not appreciate his constant berating of American businesses and his implication that the wealthy are wealthy due to greed and dihonest business practices.

Finally, his policies, like them or not, are class divisive. He claimed tpo be a uniter yet he is proving to be a divider.

1. I'd argue that if the political use of language is your problem, you'll have a problem with all politicians. There is an 'art' to listening to a politician and discerning the real truth that's being spoken.

2. The role of a public speaker is to ensure that the listener 'hears' what the speaker wants the listener to hear. Understanding is not required in all cases. In some cases, understanding is the last thing a speaker wants.

3. There are three reasons people get rich. Inheritance, greed, and dishonesty. A non-greedy honest person will never get rich unless he/she hits the lottery or inherits.

4. When we have two parties who claim they represents different ends of the political spectrum, then all of the policies will be divisive as they try to cater to the people who they feel beholding to. It's practically impossible to cater to the poor/middle class while at the same time catering to the rich/upper class. If you know of a way to pull that off, I'm sure democrats and republicans will be 'all ears'.

Do not get me wrong. I know how to read between the lines. Most dont.
As fort "understanding is the last a speakwer wants"...you may be OK with that, but if it is someone that I employ, I am not ok with that.

Greed is the driving factor for all that are trich and many that are poor as well.
Greed is what drives those to invest...greed is what drives those to buy lottery tickets...greed is what motivates one to start a business.

Greed is not a vice....it is a typical human emotion that very few do NOT have.

LOL So you attack obama for calling out greedy people and then you argue that greed is "a typical human emotion that very few do NOT have." So why are you so upset with obama for calling out greedy people when according to you most people are greedy?? LOL

 

[Oldandtired]

1. I'd argue that if the political use of language is your problem, you'll have a problem with all politicians. There is an 'art' to listening to a politician and discerning the real truth that's being spoken.

2. The role of a public speaker is to ensure that the listener 'hears' what the speaker wants the listener to hear. Understanding is not required in all cases. In some cases, understanding is the last thing a speaker wants.

3. There are three reasons people get rich. Inheritance, greed, and dishonesty. A non-greedy honest person will never get rich unless he/she hits the lottery or inherits.

4. When we have two parties who claim they represents different ends of the political spectrum, then all of the policies will be divisive as they try to cater to the people who they feel beholding to. It's practically impossible to cater to the poor/middle class while at the same time catering to the rich/upper class. If you know of a way to pull that off, I'm sure democrats and republicans will be 'all ears'.

Do not get me wrong. I know how to read between the lines. Most dont.
As fort "understanding is the last a speakwer wants"...you may be OK with that, but if it is someone that I employ, I am not ok with that.

Greed is the driving factor for all that are trich and many that are poor as well.
Greed is what drives those to invest...greed is what drives those to buy lottery tickets...greed is what motivates one to start a business.

Greed is not a vice....it is a typical human emotion that very few do NOT have.

LOL So you attack obama for calling out greedy people and then you argue that greed is "a typical human emotion that very few do NOT have." So why are you so upset with obama for calling out greedy people when according to you most people are greedy?? LOL

Nice try...well...not really.

I call him out for saying that what got people into this mess was the greed of the banks, traders and others....never once mentioning it was the greed of each individual person that got them into the mess.

I know...way to deep for you to understand.

 

[drsmith1072]

not true, he is indeed a Marxist. to the core. 20 years. with jeramiah bullfrog and farrakam, seeks out radicals and anarchists, sal alinsky, and above all. "we are five days away from fundamentally changing the USof KKKA."

Exhibit #2

go ahead bigmouth. show us specifically which is untrue and why. put up or stfu. we shall wait.

The burden of proof lies with the poster making the claim.

You claim that obama is "indeed a marxist" based on who he knows and then lace your post with colorful terms like "radcials and anarchists" while NOTHING that you have said proves that obama is "indeed a marxist. to the core."

Put up or shut up. LOL

 

[Titanic Sailor]

I am starving for this supposed "dishonesty" this liberal shitbag is whining about.

Everyone hold their breath, and wait for the shitbag author to be honest.

Ready, go!

 

[Titanic Sailor]

Why is Obama targeting the health insurance industry with his speeches, when many Democrats run the health insurance industry, and will get 70 BILLION dollars from this health care proposal?

You know why? Because Obama is a corrupt liar, took drug and insurance industry lobbying cash, and the industry has thick skin making 70 BILLION dollars. Who wouldn't? Bad mouth me all day, and feed me 70 Billion Obama. I'll be your punching bag.

How stupid can Obammunists be? What happened to ewe people?

 

[Meister]

Exhibit #2

go ahead bigmouth. show us specifically which is untrue and why. put up or stfu. we shall wait.

The burden of proof lies with the poster making the claim.

You claim that obama is "indeed a marxist" based on who he knows and then lace your post with colorful terms like "radcials and anarchists" while NOTHING that you have said proves that obama is "indeed a marxist. to the core."

Put up or shut up. LOL

Well, under Obama we have and huge stake in AIG, and with Government Motors. If he had his way, he would have a huge stake in healthcare. I think that would qualify.