Zone1 Donald Trump is Going to Bring God Back to The USA

[Arlette]

Note that I didn't say they would. I said they can.

What would be the game changer? Usually people turn to God out of despair. What would have to happen to someone like me to go looking for a church?

 

[ding]

There is nothing to know. There is NOTHING supernatural in the natural world.

You mean like the universe popping into existence in an improbable manner being inexplicably hardwired to produce intelligence?

 

[Arlette]

You mean like the universe popping into existence in an improbable manner being inexplicably hardwired to produce intelligence?

Why not? It's as probable than your explanation.

 

[ding]

Usually people turn to God out of despair.

Yes. That's how it usually has worked through the ages. When we become satisfied we become proud and forget the things that made us successful and then we fall. But from our suffering we remember the things that made us successful and change our ways and end our suffering and we become successful again only to doom ourselves to repeating the cycle.

 

[IM2]

There is nothing to know. There is NOTHING supernatural in the natural world.

We will disagree on ths issue. Respectfully. You have the right to not believe.

 

[ding]

Why not? It's as probable than your explanation.

Actually it's not. It's quite logical. There must be a first cause that was uncaused. There's no other way around it. Which means it must be eternal and unchanging. Which means it cannot be corporeal. Which means it must be incorporeal.

 

[Arlette]

Yes. That's how it usually has worked through the ages. When we become satisfied we become proud and forget the things that made us successful and then we fall. But from our suffering we remember the things that made us successful and change our ways and end our suffering and we become successful again only to doom ourselves to repeating the cycle.

K. Where does God/religion figure into that?

 

[IM2]

How so? How do reconcile that with dropping two nukes and fire bombing entire countries?

You don't. It is part of the national record of godlessness that continues today with the election of trump.

 

[ding]

K. Where does God/religion figure into that?

God is the source of all existence/reality.

Religions teach perceptions of God and how to live life and how not to live life.

 

[ding]

You don't. It is part of the national record of godlessness that continues today with the election of trump.

Does God not use bad to produce good? Are we not granted the right to choose between doing good and not doing good? Isn't everything a choice? Like dropping nukes on Japan and firebombing Japan and Germany?

 

[theHawk]

I am not worried about God. I know the divine side. I am worried about the likes of you and Trump.

Yes we know you are worried, because we fight against your evil, anti-God agenda, like Abortion and transgenderism.

 

[X.Onasis]

 

[ding]

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So... moral argument?

 

[X.Onasis]

How so? How do reconcile that with dropping two nukes and fire bombing entire countries?

You don't.

How does someone who claims to be a follower of Christ and understands to Whom He spent his entire ministry pointing, support a serial liar, cheat, and hate-filled bigot?

 

[X.Onasis]

So... moral argument?

You think you have some sort of exemption?

 

[ding]

You don't.

But you did in post #34 when you wrote, "the same way a person who claims to be a follower of Christ and understands to Whom He spent his entire life pointing would support a serial liar, cheat, and hate-filled bigot."

How do you reconcile there's no difference?

How does someone who claims to be a follower of Christ and understands to Whom He spent his entire ministry pointing, support a serial liar, cheat, and hate-filled bigot?

Because apparently the majority of American voters thought he was still a better choice than Harris despite everything you just said.

 

[lafayette]

Yes we know you are worried, because we fight against your evil, anti-God agenda, like Abortion and transgenderism.

Sigh. Don't have an abortion, don't associate with trans. That's your right. But their right is not to be interfered with by your sick ilk.

 

[IM2]

Does God not use bad to produce good? Are we not granted the right to choose between doing good and not doing good? Isn't everything a choice? Like dropping nukes on Japan and firebombing Japan and Germany?

True, God gives us the ability to choose, and their are consequences to our choices. This rule does not apply to just Americans. In WW2 the Germans and Japanese made a choice, they were punished fo that choice. But, while Germany and Japan were doing what they were doing Amerca was still operating a godless system of Jim Crow.

 

[ding]

You think you have some sort of exemption?

No. I think I have a choice. It is you who believes that people don't have a choice and expect everyone to know, agree and follow your morals.

 

[ding]

True, God gives us the ability to choose, and their are consequences to our choices. This rule does not apply to just Americans. In WW2 the Germans and Japanese made a choice, they were punished fo that choice. But, while Germany and Japan were doing what they were doing Amerca was still operating a godless system of Jim Crow.

And God allowed it all.

But it was really Democrats who perpetuated slavery, racism, bigotry and Jim Crow laws.