Donald Trump is destroying Obamacare from within. And Michigan is a case study

[boedicca]

Them money?

Donald Trump Is Destroying Obamacare From Within

Michigan has been among the most successful ACA states, w/a thriving market. Trump doing everything he can to tear that down.

ObabbleCare is imploding all on its own with no assist from Trump:

In preparing its analysis, eHealth reviewed the lowest-price 2017 plan available for families of three comprised of two adults age 35 and one child. The same family model was analyzed using data from Healthcare.gov in 40 cities, data from eHealth.com in 9 cities not utilizing Healthcare.gov, and data from the New York state exchange for New York City.

After applying a relatively modest annual rate increase of 10% to 2017 rates to project 2018 rates, eHealth discovered the following:

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  • In 47 of 50 cities surveyed, the lowest-priced plan would be officially unaffordable under Obamacare affordability standards for families earning 401% of the federal poverty level (about $82,000 per year in the contiguous US, making them ineligible for Obamacare subsidies).

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  • Among these, the average three-person household would need to earn an additional $28,939 per year before the lowest-cost plan becomes affordable according to Obamacare rules.

To put eHealth's findings in perspective, a family of 3 in Charlotte, NC, with an annual income of $81,884, would have to spend 18% of their gross income in 2018 just to purchase the cheapest Obamacare plan for their family. On a post-tax basis, that expenditure would be well over 20%. Moreover, as eHealth points out, that family of 3 would have to find a way to make an extra $102,245 per year to meet the "affordability" test included in the Obamacare legislation....

Even The Cheapest Obamacare Plans Are "Unaffordable" In 94% Of American Cities, New Study Finds

Obamacare was doom from the beginning ,a system that the middle class must pay subsidies for all the leeches who refuse to work.

What do you mean the middle class paid subsidies?

Are you really that dense? Where do you think them money the government transfers to other people comes from?

them money? WTH are you talking about? I posted a link on what taxpayers were targeted with higher taxes to pay for it.

Government money is fungible, hun. Considering the enormous deficits of the past few years, it's inane to think that any of us who pay taxes are not getting screwed with this program.

 

[debbiedowner]

Them money?

ObabbleCare is imploding all on its own with no assist from Trump:

In preparing its analysis, eHealth reviewed the lowest-price 2017 plan available for families of three comprised of two adults age 35 and one child. The same family model was analyzed using data from Healthcare.gov in 40 cities, data from eHealth.com in 9 cities not utilizing Healthcare.gov, and data from the New York state exchange for New York City.

After applying a relatively modest annual rate increase of 10% to 2017 rates to project 2018 rates, eHealth discovered the following:

• 
  
  
  • In 47 of 50 cities surveyed, the lowest-priced plan would be officially unaffordable under Obamacare affordability standards for families earning 401% of the federal poverty level (about $82,000 per year in the contiguous US, making them ineligible for Obamacare subsidies).

• 
  
  
  • Among these, the average three-person household would need to earn an additional $28,939 per year before the lowest-cost plan becomes affordable according to Obamacare rules.

To put eHealth's findings in perspective, a family of 3 in Charlotte, NC, with an annual income of $81,884, would have to spend 18% of their gross income in 2018 just to purchase the cheapest Obamacare plan for their family. On a post-tax basis, that expenditure would be well over 20%. Moreover, as eHealth points out, that family of 3 would have to find a way to make an extra $102,245 per year to meet the "affordability" test included in the Obamacare legislation....

Even The Cheapest Obamacare Plans Are "Unaffordable" In 94% Of American Cities, New Study Finds

Obamacare was doom from the beginning ,a system that the middle class must pay subsidies for all the leeches who refuse to work.

What do you mean the middle class paid subsidies?

Are you really that dense? Where do you think them money the government transfers to other people comes from?

them money? WTH are you talking about? I posted a link on what taxpayers were targeted with higher taxes to pay for it.

Government money is fungible, hun. Considering the enormous deficits of the past few years, it's inane to think that any of us who pay taxes are not getting screwed with this program.

So you have no problem with your tax money going to fund the war machine, congressmen, oil companies, etc? But if you're asked to let them take a couple dollars of your taxes to help someone who might really need it. Now do tell me how much your taxes went up to help fund this? If you made over $200,000 you did pay extra. You are also now going to pay extra in premiums in 2018 since trump just took the csr's away.

 

[danielpalos]

What did he do today?

He put a failing healthcare plan in the laps of a do nothing swamp and is forcing them to do their job and fix it....

A "more proactive chief magistrate would have some plans, to plug in", to effect the changes necessary to fix the problem.

 

[danielpalos]

No problem I didn't pay any attention yesterday, gotta keep up daily, just don't know what he might do. I thought I missed something.

Do you see now why making health care a government concern was a mistake?

No. Just politics instead of resolving the social dilemmas of our Republic.

Emergency health care is a more expensive option.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Donald Trump Is Destroying Obamacare From Within

Michigan has been among the most successful ACA states, w/a thriving market. Trump doing everything he can to tear that down.

Bucs/Oreo, you're straining at the bit to unload on Trump. You're almost schizophrenic with these alternating Love Trump/Hate Trump posts. (I know you hate him, you never fooled me). Just go Full Progressive already

 

[danielpalos]

You're kidding, aren't you?

About what? This is exactly what I was screaming about when the idiots were pushing for ACA in the first place. When you put government in charge of something, especially when there isn't a broad consensus on the matter, it becomes a political football. Now that government has a 'foot in the door', health care will be in jeopardy with every regime change. So much for 'security'.

Are you aware the cost of health care before the ACA rose at double digits for years? That people with health care through their employer would lose health care if they choose to move to a new company if they have a preexisting condition, COBRA cost an arm and a leg (sometimes literally).

The obvious reason why the ACA became unpopular was the full court press during the summer before it was signed by Obama orchestrated by the R Party serving BIG PHARMA and the Medical Insurance industry complex.

As for government being incompetent maybe you ought to observe the efforts to safe life and property from FL to TX to CA the last couple of months.

I didn't say anything about government being incompetent, and that's not why I think government taking over health care is a bad idea. It's a bad idea because it subjects our most important, personal decisions to partisan politics. It gives ambitious leaders another tool to frighten voters into submission and placate lobbyists.

Just a little tidbit here, the government has been involved in your's and your great, great grandparents since the 19th century, it ain't gonna stop now.

History of health care reform in the United States - Wikipedia

And how's that worked out? Do you want more of the same, or something different?

The democrats, "pushed through, health care reform and a fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage". The right wing still has, nothing but repeal. Why vote red?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Donald Trump Is Destroying Obamacare From Within

Michigan has been among the most successful ACA states, w/a thriving market. Trump doing everything he can to tear that down.

Anyway, in your unread article, if ObamaCare is such a great plan, why the fuck are we paying to help people sign up for it? Does Geico? Does AllState Homeowners?

 

[danielpalos]

Them money?

ObabbleCare is imploding all on its own with no assist from Trump:

In preparing its analysis, eHealth reviewed the lowest-price 2017 plan available for families of three comprised of two adults age 35 and one child. The same family model was analyzed using data from Healthcare.gov in 40 cities, data from eHealth.com in 9 cities not utilizing Healthcare.gov, and data from the New York state exchange for New York City.

After applying a relatively modest annual rate increase of 10% to 2017 rates to project 2018 rates, eHealth discovered the following:

• 
  
  
  • In 47 of 50 cities surveyed, the lowest-priced plan would be officially unaffordable under Obamacare affordability standards for families earning 401% of the federal poverty level (about $82,000 per year in the contiguous US, making them ineligible for Obamacare subsidies).

• 
  
  
  • Among these, the average three-person household would need to earn an additional $28,939 per year before the lowest-cost plan becomes affordable according to Obamacare rules.

To put eHealth's findings in perspective, a family of 3 in Charlotte, NC, with an annual income of $81,884, would have to spend 18% of their gross income in 2018 just to purchase the cheapest Obamacare plan for their family. On a post-tax basis, that expenditure would be well over 20%. Moreover, as eHealth points out, that family of 3 would have to find a way to make an extra $102,245 per year to meet the "affordability" test included in the Obamacare legislation....

Even The Cheapest Obamacare Plans Are "Unaffordable" In 94% Of American Cities, New Study Finds

Obamacare was doom from the beginning ,a system that the middle class must pay subsidies for all the leeches who refuse to work.

What do you mean the middle class paid subsidies?

Are you really that dense? Where do you think them money the government transfers to other people comes from?

them money? WTH are you talking about? I posted a link on what taxpayers were targeted with higher taxes to pay for it.

Government money is fungible, hun. Considering the enormous deficits of the past few years, it's inane to think that any of us who pay taxes are not getting screwed with this program.

End the drug war; too, fiscally responsible for the right wing?

 

[basquebromance]

"Trump couldn't get ACA repealed, so he's trying to sabotage this successful, lifesaving law any way he can. He's going to drive insurers out of the market and make it harder for working families to afford health insurance -- it's as simple as that." - Crazy Bernie

 

[Wry Catcher]

Donald Trump Is Destroying Obamacare From Within

Michigan has been among the most successful ACA states, w/a thriving market. Trump doing everything he can to tear that down.

Bucs/Oreo, you're straining at the bit to unload on Trump. You're almost schizophrenic with these alternating Love Trump/Hate Trump posts. (I know you hate him, you never fooled me). Just go Full Progressive already

Vis a vis going all in regressive as does D. Trump?

 

[PredFan]

Fuck Michigan.

Florida wins when Trump scraps Obamacare subsidies, experts say

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Yeah. That's the way politics works. This is why having government in charge of health care is such a bad idea.

Like having the insurers and big pharma in charge was working sooooooo well

 

[dblack]

Yeah. That's the way politics works. This is why having government in charge of health care is such a bad idea.

Like having the insurers and big pharma in charge was working sooooooo well

How do you figure? Before ACA, no one could force you to buy insurance. Thanks to Liz Fowler and her buddies in Congress, it's now "the law of the land".

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Yeah. That's the way politics works. This is why having government in charge of health care is such a bad idea.

Like having the insurers and big pharma in charge was working sooooooo well

How do you figure? Before ACA, no one could force you to buy insurance. Thanks to Liz Fowler and her buddies in Congress, it's now "the law of the land".

Before the ACA you could have been denied coverage or charged exorbitant prices if you had a pre existing condition, you could have bought a bare bones plan thinking that it was a bargain only to find that your illness is not covered, and you could have faced a annual or lifetime cap on coverage.

You can whine all you want about having to by insurance but that is how insurance works. You don't wait until you have an auto accident to get coverage for your car.

The mandates to by insurance funds those the aforementioned parts of the ACA that people like by insuring that healthy people are in the pool. But, hey, I'll make you an offer you cant refuse!! Just sign an agreement that if you get sick or injured, and can't afford the care you need, YOU WILL NOT go to the ER and except charity care at government expense, AND if you do accept care and go into debt to pay for it YOU WILL NOT file for bankruptcy and screw your creditors to get out of paying. Deal??

 

[Wry Catcher]

Fuck Michigan.

Florida wins when Trump scraps Obamacare subsidies, experts say

Experts???? LOL

 

[Wry Catcher]

Yeah. That's the way politics works. This is why having government in charge of health care is such a bad idea.

Like having the insurers and big pharma in charge was working sooooooo well

How do you figure? Before ACA, no one could force you to buy insurance. Thanks to Liz Fowler and her buddies in Congress, it's now "the law of the land".

Who paid for the care needed by the scofflaws?

Local government taxpayers , that's who.

 

[jillian]

Yeah. That's the way politics works. This is why having government in charge of health care is such a bad idea.

I know because having insurance companies in charge has worked so well for decades. WRONG.

Insurance companies aren't in charge - or at least weren't before you dingbats started passing laws on their behalf. They have no power to force you to buy their product.

no, idiota.... the insurance companies doing things like denying coverage to people with pre-existing conditions and cutting off coverage when people get sick were one of the reasons FOR the ACA...

that's why the heritage foundation came up with it in the first place. rightwingnuts only started whining about it when the black guy signed the law.

idiota.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Yeah. That's the way politics works. This is why having government in charge of health care is such a bad idea.

Like having the insurers and big pharma in charge was working sooooooo well

How do you figure? Before ACA, no one could force you to buy insurance. Thanks to Liz Fowler and her buddies in Congress, it's now "the law of the land".

You must also believe this piece of tripe from a few years ago..

Tea Party Nation Tells Us That Obamacare is Like Rape | Right Wing Watch

Rockantansky starts off his article by musing about “Law & Order: SVU” villains who claim that their victims “enjoy” rape. This, he says, is just like Affordable Care Act proponents defending the ACA to their relatives at Thanksgiving dinner. “Their message is truly quite simple,” he writes. “Lie back and quit fighting and eventually you will enjoy the experience.”

He adds: “But I will encourage you to think about your own families and extended families and decide for yourself if there is a point at which this rape experience could possibly become enjoyable; rape of our free will, rape of our religious convictions, rape of free markets, rape of our Constitution, a brutal rape of the American Dream and personal freedoms.”

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Note: This guy is a Republican:

Kasich Slams Trump's Move on Health Care Subsidies

WASHINGTON — Republican Ohio Gov. John Kasich on Sunday blasted President Donald Trump's decision to stop funding some health care subsides during an interview with host Chuck Todd on NBC's "Meet The Press."

"What I don't understand, Chuck, is what are they doing?" the governor asked. "Are they just passing these things and people are praising what the president did because of politics? I mean, do they understand the impact that this has on families, on people?"

The president and many other Republicans have called these subsidies a "payoff" to health insurers.

Kasich slammed that suggestion on "Meet The Press," saying, "these were payments to insurance companies to make sure that hardworking Americans, who don't make a lot of money, can have their co-payments taken care of."

 

[PredFan]

Fuck Michigan.

Florida wins when Trump scraps Obamacare subsidies, experts say

Experts???? LOL

Yeah we all know that only experts that agree with leftists are credible.