Donald Trump appears to confirm real reason behind 'set up' Zelensky takedown with JD Vance

[Frankenstein]

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Michael McCune​

2d ·
Many of you probably watched what took place between Donald Trump and Zelenskyy tonight. Whether you're a Democrat or a Republican, you might be thinking to yourself, Oh my God, Donald Trump just screwed up.
However, as a lifelong practitioner of martial arts, strategy, and philosophy, let me explain the difference between what you believe you witnessed and what actually happened.

Donald Trump has been under constant political persecution since the beginning of his first term. Over time, he has learned to be patient and calculated.
Tonight, Zelenskyy was invited to the Oval Office. However, both Trump and JD Vance knew exactly what Zelenskyy was going to do—he would use this opportunity, in front of the American people, to make a power play. Both Trump and Vance anticipated this.
When Zelenskyy began appealing to the emotions of the American people, JD Vance stepped in, accusing him of disrespecting Donald Trump. This was brilliant strategy. It’s important to understand that Zelenskyy is trying to gain access to NATO.

Trump knew this but could not allow it to happen. If Ukraine joins NATO, the U.S. would be bound by NATO’s collective defense agreement—an attack on one is an attack on all.
Now consider the larger implications: Ukraine and Russia despise each other. If Ukraine were to become a NATO member, any future skirmish between them would obligate the U.S. to enter into direct conflict with Russia. This would mean World War III. And if that happened, China would have to choose a side—they would almost certainly align with Russia.
So what you witnessed tonight was a setup. Trump and JD Vance knew that the only way to achieve peace was to strategically align, at least on the surface, with Russia. Why? Because Russia would never sign a peace treaty if Ukraine were admitted into NATO.

This is why Trump dismantled Zelenskyy’s argument. And when Zelenskyy, seeing his play failing, tried to backtrack and offer a treaty, Trump refused.
Zelenskyy’s real intent was clear—he would not agree to peace unless security guarantees were in place. But what was he actually saying? That NATO must accept Ukraine. However, Russia would never agree to peace, knowing that NATO, their historical adversary, would surround them.
Zelenskyy, Putin, and Trump all knew this. Zelenskyy, thinking he had Democratic support, believed he could make this bold move on live television. But Trump and Vance saw right through it and outmaneuvered him.
They knew that, in the short term, Democrats and the media would try to use this moment against them. But they also knew they had two years before midterms to prove their strategy was the right one. So they held their ground—brilliantly so.
Now, Zelenskyy will have no choice but to back down and accept Trump's terms. But here’s the genius part—Trump is actually protecting Ukraine without dragging the U.S. into war.

By negotiating a mineral deal, Trump ensures that Americans will be involved in Ukraine’s mining industry. This prevents Russia from launching an invasion, because attacking Ukraine would mean endangering American lives—something that would force the U.S. to respond.
Trump played both sides like a master chess player. In the end, Zelenskyy will have no choice but to concede, because without U.S. support, Ukraine cannot win a prolonged war against Russia. And once U.S. companies have mining operations in Ukraine, Putin will be unable to attack without triggering massive international consequences.
Don’t underestimate Donald Trump. In this game of chess, he’s 10 moves ahead of everyone.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Pajama Zelensky realized there's a new sheriff

 

[Crepitus]

MSN

Michael McCune​

2d ·
Many of you probably watched what took place between Donald Trump and Zelenskyy tonight. Whether you're a Democrat or a Republican, you might be thinking to yourself, Oh my God, Donald Trump just screwed up.
However, as a lifelong practitioner of martial arts, strategy, and philosophy, let me explain the difference between what you believe you witnessed and what actually happened.
Donald Trump has been under constant political persecution since the beginning of his first term. Over time, he has learned to be patient and calculated.
Tonight, Zelenskyy was invited to the Oval Office. However, both Trump and JD Vance knew exactly what Zelenskyy was going to do—he would use this opportunity, in front of the American people, to make a power play. Both Trump and Vance anticipated this.
When Zelenskyy began appealing to the emotions of the American people, JD Vance stepped in, accusing him of disrespecting Donald Trump. This was brilliant strategy. It’s important to understand that Zelenskyy is trying to gain access to NATO.
Trump knew this but could not allow it to happen. If Ukraine joins NATO, the U.S. would be bound by NATO’s collective defense agreement—an attack on one is an attack on all.
Now consider the larger implications: Ukraine and Russia despise each other. If Ukraine were to become a NATO member, any future skirmish between them would obligate the U.S. to enter into direct conflict with Russia. This would mean World War III. And if that happened, China would have to choose a side—they would almost certainly align with Russia.
So what you witnessed tonight was a setup. Trump and JD Vance knew that the only way to achieve peace was to strategically align, at least on the surface, with Russia. Why? Because Russia would never sign a peace treaty if Ukraine were admitted into NATO.
This is why Trump dismantled Zelenskyy’s argument. And when Zelenskyy, seeing his play failing, tried to backtrack and offer a treaty, Trump refused.
Zelenskyy’s real intent was clear—he would not agree to peace unless security guarantees were in place. But what was he actually saying? That NATO must accept Ukraine. However, Russia would never agree to peace, knowing that NATO, their historical adversary, would surround them.
Zelenskyy, Putin, and Trump all knew this. Zelenskyy, thinking he had Democratic support, believed he could make this bold move on live television. But Trump and Vance saw right through it and outmaneuvered him.
They knew that, in the short term, Democrats and the media would try to use this moment against them. But they also knew they had two years before midterms to prove their strategy was the right one. So they held their ground—brilliantly so.
Now, Zelenskyy will have no choice but to back down and accept Trump's terms. But here’s the genius part—Trump is actually protecting Ukraine without dragging the U.S. into war.
By negotiating a mineral deal, Trump ensures that Americans will be involved in Ukraine’s mining industry. This prevents Russia from launching an invasion, because attacking Ukraine would mean endangering American lives—something that would force the U.S. to respond.
Trump played both sides like a master chess player. In the end, Zelenskyy will have no choice but to concede, because without U.S. support, Ukraine cannot win a prolonged war against Russia. And once U.S. companies have mining operations in Ukraine, Putin will be unable to attack without triggering massive international consequences.
Don’t underestimate Donald Trump. In this game of chess, he’s 10 moves ahead of everyone.

LMAO!!

Even you can't really believe that pile of old doggy doo.

tRump isn't "persecuted", he's committing crimes.

tRump isn't "patient" or "calculated". He has the attention span of a hyperactive toddler and a temper to match.

And only a idiot thinks Zelensky is gonna sign anything without the guarantees.

 

[Frankenstein]

LMAO!!

Even you can't really believe that pile of old doggy doo.

tRump isn't "persecuted", he's committing crimes.

tRump isn't "patient" or "calculated". He has the attention span of a hyperactive toddler and a temper to match.

And only a idiot thinks Zelensky is gonna sign anything without the guarantees.

Oh look, an idiot who thinks they have something to offer the thread ,without having anything to add to the thread.

Volodymyr Zelensky says he's 'ready to sign' minerals deal with US

Volodymyr Zelensky has said that he is 'ready to sign' the minerals deal with America that was put on hold after his stormy meeting with Donald Trump.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[1srelluc]

Paragraphs dammit....Come on man, that wall of text had potential.

 

[Donald H]

A psychopath and a narcissist's highest priority is to be able to humiliate a person of some status, in front of a large audience.

Nothing else was accomplished but the satisfying of Trump's deepest needs.

 

[Concerned American]

Paragraphs dammit....Come on man, that wall of text had potential.

I counted seven. How many is the right number?

 

[Woodznutz]

MSN

Michael McCune​

2d ·
Many of you probably watched what took place between Donald Trump and Zelenskyy tonight. Whether you're a Democrat or a Republican, you might be thinking to yourself, Oh my God, Donald Trump just screwed up.
However, as a lifelong practitioner of martial arts, strategy, and philosophy, let me explain the difference between what you believe you witnessed and what actually happened.

Donald Trump has been under constant political persecution since the beginning of his first term. Over time, he has learned to be patient and calculated.
Tonight, Zelenskyy was invited to the Oval Office. However, both Trump and JD Vance knew exactly what Zelenskyy was going to do—he would use this opportunity, in front of the American people, to make a power play. Both Trump and Vance anticipated this.
When Zelenskyy began appealing to the emotions of the American people, JD Vance stepped in, accusing him of disrespecting Donald Trump. This was brilliant strategy. It’s important to understand that Zelenskyy is trying to gain access to NATO.

Trump knew this but could not allow it to happen. If Ukraine joins NATO, the U.S. would be bound by NATO’s collective defense agreement—an attack on one is an attack on all.
Now consider the larger implications: Ukraine and Russia despise each other. If Ukraine were to become a NATO member, any future skirmish between them would obligate the U.S. to enter into direct conflict with Russia. This would mean World War III. And if that happened, China would have to choose a side—they would almost certainly align with Russia.
So what you witnessed tonight was a setup. Trump and JD Vance knew that the only way to achieve peace was to strategically align, at least on the surface, with Russia. Why? Because Russia would never sign a peace treaty if Ukraine were admitted into NATO.

This is why Trump dismantled Zelenskyy’s argument. And when Zelenskyy, seeing his play failing, tried to backtrack and offer a treaty, Trump refused.
Zelenskyy’s real intent was clear—he would not agree to peace unless security guarantees were in place. But what was he actually saying? That NATO must accept Ukraine. However, Russia would never agree to peace, knowing that NATO, their historical adversary, would surround them.
Zelenskyy, Putin, and Trump all knew this. Zelenskyy, thinking he had Democratic support, believed he could make this bold move on live television. But Trump and Vance saw right through it and outmaneuvered him.
They knew that, in the short term, Democrats and the media would try to use this moment against them. But they also knew they had two years before midterms to prove their strategy was the right one. So they held their ground—brilliantly so.
Now, Zelenskyy will have no choice but to back down and accept Trump's terms. But here’s the genius part—Trump is actually protecting Ukraine without dragging the U.S. into war.

By negotiating a mineral deal, Trump ensures that Americans will be involved in Ukraine’s mining industry. This prevents Russia from launching an invasion, because attacking Ukraine would mean endangering American lives—something that would force the U.S. to respond.
Trump played both sides like a master chess player. In the end, Zelenskyy will have no choice but to concede, because without U.S. support, Ukraine cannot win a prolonged war against Russia. And once U.S. companies have mining operations in Ukraine, Putin will be unable to attack without triggering massive international consequences.
Don’t underestimate Donald Trump. In this game of chess, he’s 10 moves ahead of everyone.

He also placed a ball in Europe's court.

 

[wamose]

Zelensky is used to bamboozling dipshits like our Democrats and our radical liberal media. They're idiots. But when he thought he'd stroll in and play Trump the same way, he made a major miscalculation. I guess he learned the hard way that Trump-Vance aren't the same as Democrats, the US and Euro media or Euro politicians, all nincompoops who can be manipulated like hungry little fat kids. Zelensky and liberals deserve each other.

 

[Woodznutz]

I counted seven. How many is the right number?

He could have added a whole space between paragraphs.

 

[Donald H]

I counted seven. How many is the right number?

I found it 'torture' just getting through it my friend.

Putin has already declared that any Nato military in the Ukraine will be considered to be the enemy.

That hasn't changed!

America's share of the spoils will be doled out over the negotiating table!

 

[jknowgood]

LMAO!!

Even you can't really believe that pile of old doggy doo.

tRump isn't "persecuted", he's committing crimes.

tRump isn't "patient" or "calculated". He has the attention span of a hyperactive toddler and a temper to match.

And only a idiot thinks Zelensky is gonna sign anything without the guarantees.

Lol, Trump committed no crime. Just making you loons shit your pants.

 

[Woodznutz]

I wonder if Rubio knew what was going to happen. He had the deer in the headlights look and his shrinking posture suggested that he was trying to distance himself from what was happening.

 

[Concerned American]

I found it 'torture' just getting through it

Now you know what Americans feel every time you post, duck. We are aware of your take on the situation. Russia/China good--America bad. Nothing has changed.

 

[Woodznutz]

Zelensky has a pretty big ego, offering to 'sacrifice' his presidency in exchange for peace, or acceptance into NATO. All he needs is a cross to be nailed to.

 

[jknowgood]

A psychopath and a narcissist's highest priority is to be able to humiliate a person of some status, in front of a large audience.

Nothing else was accomplished but the satisfying of Trump's deepest needs.

Lol, Zelensky starts it and Trump finishes it. You loons are nuts.

 

[Donald H]

Now you know what Americans feel every time you post, duck. We are aware of your take on the situation. Russia/China good--America bad. Nothing has changed.

Something got under your carapace (exoskeleton) my friend!

And yes, Russia, China, Iran, the Brics, are good.

America can be good too!

 

[Woodznutz]

Lol, Zelensky starts it and Trump finishes it. You loons are nuts.

True. Trump takes the Biblical advice, "Don't be unequally yoked..." to another. In this case being yoked to Ukraine through NATO would mean that the U.S. as the larger ox would be doing most of the 'plowing'.

 

[Concerned American]

Zelensky has a pretty big ego, offering to 'sacrifice' his presidency in exchange for peace, or acceptance into NATO. All he needs is a cross to be nailed to.

That would be a favor to Z. He could repair to one of his villas or his yacht and live off the freshly laundered US taxpayer's $$$$.

 

[Donald H]

Lol, Zelensky starts it and Trump finishes it. You loons are nuts.

Frankly, I found it very satisfying to see Zelensky smacked down in front of a world audience. But that doesn't mean that Trump will get away with giving the win to Russia.

The establishment simply won't tolerate it! What could you be thinking??