Don t Let Anybody Tell You That Businesses Create Jobs

[Care4all]

No Mac, THAT IS NOT what liberals are saying.....NOT IN THE LEAST....it may be what you have twisted it to mean to yourself.

All we are saying is that we believe in "trickle UP"! Demand is First, supply is second. Demand drives newer inventions, you need to see at night, there is a demand to see at night, so the oil lamp was created which lead to the light bulb....the demand for a better and more efficient way to cook multiple items, the 4 eye stove and oven was created....better way to keep food cold than the dripping ice box, the refrigerator was created.... the needs and demands of the people, progress, is what drives CREATION.

an existing business is NOT going to hire more employees just for the hell of it, they are going to add employees when their demand increases...when more people are buying what they sell...

We believe as ALL STATISTICS SHOW, that more money in to the hands of those who buy the goods, improves the overall economy... and that giving more money to an owner of a running business, will not increase his sales and will not raise the demand, so that he can hire more people.... it's the other way around that works best... more demand, more people get hired.

that if more customers buy the business's goods, if the "demand" for the goods increases, then the sales increase calls for MORE help to be hired to service the customer's needs, which in turn makes more money for the business

Horseshit. Businesses very often do expand with increased income. Show us the statistics that prove your point. Employees make more money because business does better, not the other way around. Liberals see everything in opposites.

Trickle up doesn't work because some people are broke because of their lifestyle choices. Many broke people got a windfall and just ended up broke again.

Acting like businesses exist because there are bodies out there like baby chicks with gaping eager beaks awaiting fulfillment is honestly the dumbest theory on economics I've ever heard.

A store buying a gazillion hairballs to fill their store shelves with is the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

 

[zeke]

I think you are a roofer and drink on the job.

Yep been a roofer. Never ever drink on a roof. The roof is very unforgiving and the ground is a long ways down.
But how would you know that. You sell Kirby's to old people who can't throw your ass out of their house like they want to.

 

[Judicial review]

You know people retire and die after 64 years, right? Lol. You are a trip

Your mom and dad retired and died? And so young. Sorry to hear that.

So are you living off their success or not?

Everybody that was in my fathers office either got promoted or retired. I personally trained and developed every one of my salesman as well as trained my office staff. Answer = no.

 

[BlackSand]

Why not? He probably started out by himself anyway. He might take a little longer, but can still get the job done. You act like the guy who owns a roofing business had never picked up a hammer. How likely do you think that is?

You have never done a roof have you? 35 square, three layer tear off. NO ONE does that by themselves. The customers don't like it, the job takes forever. The business owner can't take all his time on a roof. Who's out there selling the next job? And the guy with a roofing business has more than likely been a roofer. That's why there is no ******* way he takes on a job that big by himself.

And you have never been a roofer either. I have.

And all he has to do is put a few more Mexican roofers on the job eh. Illegals every one. You good with that?

Now, conversely, how much of a business is a bunch of roofers standing around with no tools, no truck, no materials, no marketing, no accounting, and no business license?

Funny. Every real roofer I know has a truck, tools, air compressor, nail guns, ladders. etc. Contacts are easy for material. You think roofing supply companies won't sell to any roofer that has the money to pay for materials.
As to selling a job. That is the issue for all companies. How to find the work and how to close the sale. That can be a problem for every business.

No if the guy loses his crew, he is effectively out of business. At least for a while.

Everyone who has ever been on a roof knows the only real difference comes when you take the risk and become the person who sits in the truck or drives around running errands and making bids.

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[Care4all]

Well, I am not saying it is EASY PEASY for the business owners....they do use their own or borrowed money to open the business, and do the training of employees if a small business, and manage the business if a small business, and do their own buying of product that they project to have demand... they have a lot at risk....and a lot of executive decisions to make....

But the business itself, opened because the owner believed there was DEMAND for what he or she wanted to sell.

 

[Iceweasel]

There "point" is that they have locked themselves so tightly into this bullshit fantasy that demand does nothing to create jobs that they have no way back to reality.

So they double down on their stupid statements and pretend they know what they are talking about.

I've been in business 28 years and asked you for your experience. all I got so far is more drool on your baby hate bib.

As said all along demand is part of supply and demand. The point you can't wrap your pea brain around is that entrepreneurs create the demand by producing something people want for an acceptable price point.

The leftist lie is that people create the business, that's bullshit. Your pizza is getting cold, better hop to it.

 

[Iceweasel]

ore is satisfying a desire, people may demand her services but they don't need it.

sheesh, you sure are trying to fight and double down on a losing cause....

DEMAND/PROJECTED DEMAND is EVERYTHING, when it comes to a business and business plan.

You are now adding a qualifyer by calling it "projected demand". The loser is the one that's trying to move the goal posts.

 

[Iceweasel]

A store buying a gazillion hairballs to fill their store shelves with is the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

Me too. But it was a lib that came up with it. Thanks.

 

[Judicial review]

I think you are a roofer and drink on the job.

Yep been a roofer. Never ever drink on a roof. The roof is very unforgiving and the ground is a long ways down.
But how would you know that. You sell Kirby's to old people who can't throw your ass out of their house like they want to.

Bullshit! Lol..

 

[BlackSand]

But the business itself, opened because the owner believed there was DEMAND for what he or she wanted to sell.

In that case ... The demand doesn't have to exist for the jobs to be created.

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[Iceweasel]

Now, conversely, how much of a business is a bunch of roofers standing around with no tools, no truck, no materials, no marketing, no accounting, and no business license?

Sounds like government employees.

 

[Judicial review]

The best thing about starting your own business is you can do your own background check! Lol...

 

[zeke]

In that case ... The demand doesn't have to exist for the jobs to be created.

Noticed that you completely avoided the question of whether or not you hired your two new employees before you even knew that you needed them.

Why didn't you answer that simple question.

All you have to do is say yes, I hired two people without a need for their services then I went out and found a way to make money off of their labor.

Why didn't you say that? Why didn't you hire 5 people or 10 people. Think you much your business would have grown hiring employees you didn't really need.

 

[BlackSand]

There "point" is that they have locked themselves so tightly into this bullshit fantasy that demand does nothing to create jobs that they have no way back to reality.

So they double down on their stupid statements and pretend they know what they are talking about.

I think the only place we disagree in the fantasy demand actually means a damn thing until someone opens a business, hires employees and provides a product or service to satisfy the demand.

To say that demand is the determining factor prior to the business ... Means you could equally say the desire of the business owner to make money is just as much of a factor.

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[Care4all]

But the business itself, opened because the owner believed there was DEMAND for what he or she wanted to sell.

In that case ... The demand doesn't have to exist for the jobs to be created.

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No, you PROJECT what the demand will be... in order for you to have an idea of how many people you will need to hire...

there is no business plan, without projecting your sales, your demand....it isn't done in a vacuum...it's done through analysis of previous sales of like items, or as a start up, of market analysis for the area you are opening a store in...

projected sales, projected demand is the whole basis of your business plan... what you think you can sell in a year, gives you your OTB, your open to buy...to fill the shelves, how big of a store you will need to hold the product you project you can sell, how many people you hire to sell what you have projected you can sell....

ALL IS BASED on your projected sales/demand.

 

[zeke]

I've been in business 28 years and asked you for your experience

Really

In that case ... The demand doesn't have to exist for the jobs to be created.

Noticed that you completely avoided the question of whether or not you hired your two new employees before you even knew that you needed them.

Why didn't you answer that simple question.

All you have to do is say yes, I hired two people without a need for their services then I went out and found a way to make money off of their labor.

Why didn't you say that? Why didn't you hire 5 people or 10 people. Think you much your business would have grown hiring employees you didn't really need.

Will try this again.

 

[BlackSand]

Noticed that you completely avoided the question of whether or not you hired your two new employees before you even knew that you needed them.

Why didn't you answer that simple question.

All you have to do is say yes, I hired two people without a need for their services then I went out and found a way to make money off of their labor.

Why didn't you say that? Why didn't you hire 5 people or 10 people. Think you much your business would have grown hiring employees you didn't really need.

I didn't avoid anything ... I stated why I hired the employees in the post you are responding to.

Recap ... I hired the new employees because I didn't want to do the work I was willing to pay them to do ... Not because the customers or the market demanded it.

I didn't create more jobs because I didn't want to and don't have to. In fact, I tailored my services to reduce demand and focus on higher quality (which can do wonders for your profit margin and subsequent employee pay raises and bonuses)..

Edit:
I don't want to create jobs for my employees (I actually like and want to keep them) ... I want to provide them with an acceptable career option.

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[zeke]

I've been in business 28 years and asked you for your experience. all I got so far is more drool on your baby hate bib

Hey what kind of business you been running for 28 years. You never say.

Me, I've been a landlord for 26 years. I sold mortgage money for 18 years. I sold cars for 5 years. And I was a retail camera and small electronics buyer for a department store chain for 5 years. I flipped houses till the market collapsed. And I do contract carpentry now. I also served a 4 year apprenticeship as a machinist and worked in that industry for several years.

I am six foot two, eyes of blue and I sure as hell am a lot smarter than you. Better looking too.

Like my rhymes. I am a pretty good guitar player and songwriter.

Is that enough info for you?

Oh and I borrow money from a bank, not an investor. Unlike you, I know the banks lend to business's.

Your turn.

 

[zeke]

Recap ... I hired the new employees because I didn't want to do the work I was willing to pay them to do ... Not because the customers or the market demanded it.

Oh horseshit. You had so much demand on your time due to your business that you hired more employees to meet the demands of your customers. Give it up dude.

Demand creates more jobs. Plain and simple. It did in your case and all others.

 

[BlackSand]

Recap ... I hired the new employees because I didn't want to do the work I was willing to pay them to do ... Not because the customers or the market demanded it.

Oh horseshit. You had so much demand on your time due to your business that you hired more employees to meet the demands of your customers. Give it up dude.

Demand creates more jobs. Plain and simple. It did in your case and all others.

There was no demand for my services when I opened the business ... Because the service I provide didn't exist. The customers nor employees have need for the Operations Managers because I did their job and could still do it if I felt like it.

I didn't have the demand you say I did ... Because I use prohibitive pricing to restrict demand. It keeps the riff-raff off my boats ... And they don't screw up my equipment or stress my employees.

The only reason I book a single charter is because I go out and market the service that nobody knows exists before I go and talk to them.

Edit:
What I am saying is that you cannot walk in my door and say you want to purchase my services unless I invite you in the first place.

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