Don t Let Anybody Tell You That Businesses Create Jobs

[The Rabbi]

"The Liberal Agenda"

Thanks for the laugh turnip.

I guess that would be "no".

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Wow. This thread is 175 pages with post after post laying out what that is completely wrong.
And here you are, good little drone, showing up bleating the opposite.

Just stating basic facts.

I know a person who has operated as many failed businesses such as yourself would have a hard time understanding what drives job creation.

You're excused.

You stated no facts.

You mean besides the one that you've operated numerous failed businesses?

Right. No facts.
You clearly do not understand the difference between fact and opinion.

Fact - You have operated several failed businesses.

Fact - You're a racist

Fact - You're a pathological liar

You continue to demonstrate that not only do you not know the differene between fact and opinion but also between fantasy and reality.

 

[RDD_1210]

"The Liberal Agenda"

Thanks for the laugh turnip.

I guess that would be "no".

.

Just stating basic facts.

I know a person who has operated as many failed businesses such as yourself would have a hard time understanding what drives job creation.

You're excused.

You stated no facts.

You mean besides the one that you've operated numerous failed businesses?

Right. No facts.
You clearly do not understand the difference between fact and opinion.

Fact - You have operated several failed businesses.

Fact - You're a racist

Fact - You're a pathological liar

You continue to demonstrate that not only do you not know the differene between fact and opinion but also between fantasy and reality.

And the FACT that you can't refute any of my FACTS speaks volumes.

Maybe the fact that you're on this site so much has something to do with the FACT that you can't operate a successful business.

 

[BlackSand]

Fact - You're a racist

Fact - You're a pathological liar

Fact ... You haven't provided any qualitative evidence for what you stated was fact.

.

 

[Iceweasel]

I didn't think it was possible to get more ill informed than Zeke but then R2D2 showing up throwing sparks off his motherboard.

 

[Iceweasel]

And the FACT that you can't refute any of my FACTS speaks volumes.

Maybe the fact that you're on this site so much has something to do with the FACT that you can't operate a successful business.

You jumped into a thread and did nothing but make personal insults. That's a fact.

 

[BlackSand]

And the FACT that you can't refute any of my FACTS speaks volumes.

Maybe the fact that you're on this site so much has something to do with the FACT that you can't operate a successful business.

You jumped into a thread and did nothing but make personal insults. That's a fact.

Standard operating procedure around here nowadays.

.

 

[RDD_1210]

I didn't think it was possible to get more ill informed than Zeke but then R2D2 showing up throwing sparks off his motherboard.

R2D2....good one!

 

[RDD_1210]

And the FACT that you can't refute any of my FACTS speaks volumes.

Maybe the fact that you're on this site so much has something to do with the FACT that you can't operate a successful business.

You jumped into a thread and did nothing but make personal insults. That's a fact.

Try rereading my first post again.

Look who is wrong again. Woops!

 

[Iceweasel]

Standard operating procedure around here nowadays.

With libs, it's a forgone conclusion.

 

[Iceweasel]

Whoops. You made a baseless statement and insulted anyone that didn't agree with your ill informed self.

edit: Looks like when you ignore their post doesn't show up. That was for RDahole.

 

[RDD_1210]

And the FACT that you can't refute any of my FACTS speaks volumes.

Maybe the fact that you're on this site so much has something to do with the FACT that you can't operate a successful business.

You jumped into a thread and did nothing but make personal insults. That's a fact.

Try rereading my first post again.

Look who is wrong again. Woops!

Whoops. You made a baseless statement and insulted anyone that didn't agree with your ill informed self.

Baseless? Ha! But your statement just highlights your sheer ignorance on the entire topic.

And you wonder why your life hasn't gone anywhere.

 

[Care4all]

Help is hired when sales increase.... (sales = demand)

I have a small business, run by myself, and I am now almost to the point with my sales, to be able to hire a part time person to help....if my sales/demand had not increased, then I would not be able to take on a new hire...

But at the same time, if I did not have the money to increase my supply of what is projected in demand/sales, then hiring another person would be fruitless....

Both are needed, demand, and the ability to supply the product for the increase in demand.

Demand is crucial, no one is saying otherwise. Supply and demand is the foundation of business (and economies, but that's a bigger issue). The argument seems to be that the demand occurs first, by the people, and the business simply fills the void. That's bass ackwards.

You offer the goods and services first, if it's marketable you have the demand, if it increases you can increase your supply with new hires, or machines, whatever.

I don't believe it is "ass backwards".... Demand or projected demand comes first...

how do you know what to buy, to sell to the customers if you have not projected what the demand will be FIRST?

Supply is not created or purchased by the storefront, without projecting your demand so you can get your OTB, (open to buy figures), the money you need to buy for the "demand"...

yes, mistakes are made and you can misjudge demand, buying too much leaves you over stocked, with no money opened to buy more things that could sell, and buying too little leaves you with customers 'walking' out, with nothing bought in hand.

It does take money to make money, but all of that which is spent by the business owner in product, IS BASED ON DEMAND or your projection of what the demand, (sales) by the public will be.

This is Not done in a vacuum either, the buyer/owner has previous sales figures and trends, and other market research that they use before they spend ONE DIME on their "supply"....

buying a bunch of crap (supply) and throwing it against the wall haphazardly to see if it sticks (it sells), is a guaranteed failure for any business....those are the businesses that go under.

 

[Iceweasel]

Baseless? Ha! But your statement just highlights your sheer ignorance on the entire topic.

And you wonder why your life hasn't gone anywhere.

I haven't wondered but you did prove my point. Goodbye asshole, anyone talking to you deserves what they get.

edit ...again, for RD

 

[Iceweasel]

I don't believe it is "ass backwards".... Demand or projected demand comes first...

how do you know what to buy, to sell to the customers if you have not projected what the demand will be FIRST?

Supply is not created or purchased by the storefront, without projecting your demand so you can get your OTB, (open to buy figures), the money you need to buy for the "demand"...

yes, mistakes are made and you can misjudge demand, buying too much leaves you over stocked, with no money opened to buy more things that could sell, and buying too little leaves you with customers 'walking' out, with nothing bought in hand.

It does take money to make money, but all of that which is spent by the business owner in product, IS BASED ON DEMAND or your projection of what the demand, (sales) by the public will be.

This is Not done in a vacuum either, the buyer/owner has previous sales figures and trends, and other market research that they use before they spend ONE DIME on their "supply"....

buying a bunch of crap (supply) and throwing it against the wall haphazardly to see if it sticks (it sells), is a guaranteed failure for any business....those are the businesses that go under.

Sales figures and trends? What do you sell, exotic underwear? I never had any of that. The market was saturated with competition. There was NO demand for me. I came in and created the demand for me.

 

[The Rabbi]

"The Liberal Agenda"

Thanks for the laugh turnip.

I guess that would be "no".

.

You stated no facts.

You mean besides the one that you've operated numerous failed businesses?

Right. No facts.
You clearly do not understand the difference between fact and opinion.

Fact - You have operated several failed businesses.

Fact - You're a racist

Fact - You're a pathological liar

You continue to demonstrate that not only do you not know the differene between fact and opinion but also between fantasy and reality.

And the FACT that you can't refute any of my FACTS speaks volumes.

Maybe the fact that you're on this site so much has something to do with the FACT that you can't operate a successful business.

You havent understood that you have not posted a single fact. You post opinioms and call them facts. I really can't help you if you dont understsand the difference.

 

[The Rabbi]

Help is hired when sales increase.... (sales = demand)

I have a small business, run by myself, and I am now almost to the point with my sales, to be able to hire a part time person to help....if my sales/demand had not increased, then I would not be able to take on a new hire...

But at the same time, if I did not have the money to increase my supply of what is projected in demand/sales, then hiring another person would be fruitless....

Both are needed, demand, and the ability to supply the product for the increase in demand.

Demand is crucial, no one is saying otherwise. Supply and demand is the foundation of business (and economies, but that's a bigger issue). The argument seems to be that the demand occurs first, by the people, and the business simply fills the void. That's bass ackwards.

You offer the goods and services first, if it's marketable you have the demand, if it increases you can increase your supply with new hires, or machines, whatever.

I don't believe it is "ass backwards".... Demand or projected demand comes first...

how do you know what to buy, to sell to the customers if you have not projected what the demand will be FIRST?

Supply is not created or purchased by the storefront, without projecting your demand so you can get your OTB, (open to buy figures), the money you need to buy for the "demand"...

yes, mistakes are made and you can misjudge demand, buying too much leaves you over stocked, with no money opened to buy more things that could sell, and buying too little leaves you with customers 'walking' out, with nothing bought in hand.

It does take money to make money, but all of that which is spent by the business owner in product, IS BASED ON DEMAND or your projection of what the demand, (sales) by the public will be.

This is Not done in a vacuum either, the buyer/owner has previous sales figures and trends, and other market research that they use before they spend ONE DIME on their "supply"....

buying a bunch of crap (supply) and throwing it against the wall haphazardly to see if it sticks (it sells), is a guaranteed failure for any business....those are the businesses that go under.

And before you make your first sale you must shell out money, effectively if not actually hiring people.
Thanks for confirming that investment spurs the economy, not consumer spending.

 

[zeke]

Help is hired when sales increase.... (sales = demand)

I have a small business, run by myself, and I am now almost to the point with my sales, to be able to hire a part time person to help....if my sales/demand had not increased, then I would not be able to take on a new hire...

But at the same time, if I did not have the money to increase my supply of what is projected in demand/sales, then hiring another person would be fruitless....

Both are needed, demand, and the ability to supply the product for the increase in demand.

Demand is crucial, no one is saying otherwise. Supply and demand is the foundation of business (and economies, but that's a bigger issue). The argument seems to be that the demand occurs first, by the people, and the business simply fills the void. That's bass ackwards.

You offer the goods and services first, if it's marketable you have the demand, if it increases you can increase your supply with new hires, or machines, whatever.

I don't believe it is "ass backwards".... Demand or projected demand comes first...

how do you know what to buy, to sell to the customers if you have not projected what the demand will be FIRST?

Supply is not created or purchased by the storefront, without projecting your demand so you can get your OTB, (open to buy figures), the money you need to buy for the "demand"...

yes, mistakes are made and you can misjudge demand, buying too much leaves you over stocked, with no money opened to buy more things that could sell, and buying too little leaves you with customers 'walking' out, with nothing bought in hand.

It does take money to make money, but all of that which is spent by the business owner in product, IS BASED ON DEMAND or your projection of what the demand, (sales) by the public will be.

This is Not done in a vacuum either, the buyer/owner has previous sales figures and trends, and other market research that they use before they spend ONE DIME on their "supply"....

buying a bunch of crap (supply) and throwing it against the wall haphazardly to see if it sticks (it sells), is a guaranteed failure for any business....those are the businesses that go under.

Can you imagine one of these nitwits going into the bank to borrow some money to start their business.


BANKER: Well Mr Ice Weasel, what kind of business do you want to start?
Mr IW. Want to start a widget business. I need 100 thousand dollars.
Bankeer: Widgets?
Mr. IW, Yep, widgets, I invented the widget.
Banker: Have you sold a lot of widgets in the past?
Mr. IW; Nope. Just now getting ready to make them. That's why I need the money.
Banker: Have you done any studies to see if people want widgets? Is there a demand for your widget?
Mr IW, Nope don't need to. I already know that market. There isn't one. Yet.
Banker; Have you pre sold, have any orders for or any other forms of projected sales?
Mr IW, Nope, don't need to. IF I BUILD THEM WIDGETS, THEY WILL COME. Says so in the scriptures.;

Banker; No thanks Mr IW.
The end.

 

[Iceweasel]

Can you imagine one of these nitwits going into the bank to borrow some money to start their business.


BANKER: Well Mr Ice Weasel, what kind of business do you want to start?
Mr IW. Want to start a widget business. I need 100 thousand dollars.
Bankeer: Widgets?
Mr. IW, Yep, widgets, I invented the widget.
Banker: Have you sold a lot of widgets in the past?
Mr. IW; Nope. Just now getting ready to make them. That's why I need the money.
Banker: Have you done any studies to see if people want widgets? Is there a demand for your widget?
Mr IW, Nope don't need to. I already know that market. There isn't one. Yet.
Banker; Have you pre sold, have any orders for or any other forms of projected sales?
Mr IW, Nope, don't need to. IF I BUILD THEM WIDGETS, THEY WILL COME. Says so in the scriptures.;

Banker; No thanks Mr IW.
The end.

I've been in business for 28 years, Slick. I asked about you so the answer is obvious.

Your scenario is stupid. If no such widget existed it would be impossible to demonstrate the demand for it. You would go to an investor(s) not a banker for a loan. Your pizza delivery job didn't teach you that?

 

[RDD_1210]

Baseless? Ha! But your statement just highlights your sheer ignorance on the entire topic.

And you wonder why your life hasn't gone anywhere.

I haven't wondered but you did prove my point. Goodbye asshole, anyone talking to you deserves what they get.

edit ...again, for RD

And what was your point? That you're good at talking directly out of your ass? You sure did prove that.

Clown.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Because she's right. Businesses don't "create jobs". They answer the need for jobs that is created by consumer demand. It's that demand that creates jobs. Businesses are just there to fulfill the demand.

Ultimately it's a healthy middle class that creates jobs.

Is the USA the only nation with demand? According to your "Theory" China and India should have economies 4 times that of the USA

Is this a serious question?

Oh it's Frank.

Nope, it's not serious.

So the Chinese and Indians don't demand?

Sucks when your stupid theory hits the iceberg.