Don t Let Anybody Tell You That Businesses Create Jobs

[zeke]

Why not just brag about hiring under paid illegals to build fortune again?

Oh shut the **** up you irrelevant asshole.

 

[BlackSand]

Let say I want to open a machine shop. You think I will just go out and purchase or rent shop space, spend big money on machines and material and labor (machinists make good money).......then I am going to go out and TRY and find SOMEONE who has a need for the product my machine shop could build? Is that what you think?

It don't work that way. It can't work that way. Someone opens a new business BECAUSE they have recognized a DEMAND in the market place and they are going to try and fill that demand by opening a new business.
Not the other way around.

Now if you have an example of someone that spent their money to open a business THEN went out and tried to find customers, lets hear it.


One of the prime reasons small business's fail is that they failed to recognize how much demand there would be for the new business. If it was the other way around, there wouldn't be any small business failures. Right. People would just open their doors and the company would prosper.

Nope. Don't work that way.

Okay ... You are trying to understand at least through attempts to prove me wrong ... So I will explain how things actually work.

For instance ...

I saw a market that provided a service ... The consumers were interested in the market and were stuck buying the service supply offered. I opened a business that provided a different service at a higher quality. There was no demand for that service prior to my business opening.

I was able to cut the top off the market offering supply to a service that wasn't present or demanded prior to opening. I couldn't use just any employees to fill the positions ... Because the employees had to be able to provide the service necessary to support the demands of the supply. I then marketed the supply and created demand.

The jobs came before the demand ... I hired the employees before I opened the business or knew I could sell the service.

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[Kosh]

Why not just brag about hiring under paid illegals to build fortune again?

Oh shut the **** up you irrelevant asshole.

And yet another irony impaired far left programmed post!

However I guess the truth hurts..

Next he will be bragging about all of his Apple products trying to show some type of social status for purchasing over priced electronics that used Chinese slave labor..

 

[Iceweasel]

Let say I want to open a machine shop. You think I will just go out and purchase or rent shop space, spend big money on machines and material and labor (machinists make good money).......then I am going to go out and TRY and find SOMEONE who has a need for the product my machine shop could build? Is that what you think?

That's the way it works, genius. It's called risk, no safety net. You put your ass on the line and you compete or die. Been there, done that, still doing it.

It don't work that way. It can't work that way. Someone opens a new business BECAUSE they have recognized a DEMAND in the market place and they are going to try and fill that demand by opening a new business.
Not the other way around.

Wrong. You hope there's room for you, how the hell would anyone know? Do you go door to door first and ask everyone if they have some machining they need done? That's very naive.

Now if you have an example of someone that spent their money to open a business THEN went out and tried to find customers, lets hear it.

Done it twice so far. Same with everyone else I knew in business. My first business was 95% servicing other businesses and I did it for 26 years. And you?

One of the prime reasons small business's fail is that they failed to recognize how much demand there would be for the new business. If it was the other way around, there wouldn't be any small business failures. Right. People would just open their doors and the company would prosper.

Nope. Don't work that way.

People fail because they are similar to you and have surreal expectations. I've known people to open shop, set up a manager and think it will run on remote control from the beach sipping Martinis.

 

[RKMBrown]

Risk creates jobs ... And spending satisfies demand which is dependent on supply.

You stupid fuckers write nonsense and treat it as gospel. ******* weird ass right wingers.

Where is there a job if your employer does not take the risk to hire you?
Why do you spend money if it doesn't satisfy your demand?
What do you spend your money on if there is no supply?

 

[BlackSand]

Let say I want to open a machine shop. You think I will just go out and purchase or rent shop space, spend big money on machines and material and labor (machinists make good money).......then I am going to go out and TRY and find SOMEONE who has a need for the product my machine shop could build? Is that what you think?

That's the way it works, genius. It's called risk, no safety net. You put your ass on the line and you compete or die. Been there, done that, still doing it.

It don't work that way. It can't work that way. Someone opens a new business BECAUSE they have recognized a DEMAND in the market place and they are going to try and fill that demand by opening a new business.
Not the other way around.

Wrong. You hope there's room for you, how the hell would anyone know? Do you go door to door first and ask everyone if they have some machining they need done? That's very naive.

Now if you have an example of someone that spent their money to open a business THEN went out and tried to find customers, lets hear it.

Done it twice so far. Same with everyone else I knew in business. My first business was 95% servicing other businesses and I did it for 26 years. And you?

One of the prime reasons small business's fail is that they failed to recognize how much demand there would be for the new business. If it was the other way around, there wouldn't be any small business failures. Right. People would just open their doors and the company would prosper.

Nope. Don't work that way.

People fail because they are similar to you and have surreal expectations. I've known people to open shop, set up a manager and think they it will run on remote control from the beach sipping Martinis.

It is all about the risk and the jobs the business creates ... Which then results in supply.

Demand makes little difference until supply exists.

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[RKMBrown]

Supply does not have to meet demand ... Demand can only be satisfied by supply.

You write this stuff like you just figured it out.

"Supply does not have to meet demand" Well no shit. And companies lose money when they have consumers wanting to buy and not enough product to meet the demand.

Then it is; "demand can only be satisfied by supply" And again, no shit. And when the supply no longer meets the demand guess what happens? Companies hire people to make enough product to meet the demand.

Do you really not know this shit?

ROFL you call her out as spouting bullshit, then you change your mind and say duh everyone knows that shit. Which is it, she's wrong or right. You can't have both.

 

[zeke]

.. The consumers were interested in the market and were stuck buying the service supply offered.

Nice attempt to obfuscate.

SO in other words you saw a demand in the market and filled it. Which is exactly what I have been saying.


Or are you saying that there was no customers until you opened your company?

And you didn't "see" a market. The market already existed. You said it did. All you did was fill a demand for a service in a different way. Nothing wrong with that. Good for you and your employees.

But I would have a hard time believing you spent a lot of money and HOPED that their would be some sort of market for the goods and service you provide.

 

[RKMBrown]

.. The consumers were interested in the market and were stuck buying the service supply offered.

Nice attempt to obfuscate.

SO in other words you saw a demand in the market and filled it. Which is exactly what I have been saying.


Or are you saying that there was no customers until you opened your company?

And you didn't "see" a market. The market already existed. You said it did. All you did was fill a demand for a service in a different way. Nothing wrong with that. Good for you and your employees.

But I would have a hard time believing you spent a lot of money and HOPED that their would be some sort of market for the goods and service you provide.

It's called risk. What would have happened if half a dozen other people in her market saw the same demand and decided to compete with her? What if her employees got scalped by her competition? What if her market disappeared over night leaving her with unsalable products and bills? What if her competition got her local government to shut her down?

 

[zeke]

Do you go door to door first and ask everyone if they have some machining they need done? That's very naive.

That's another example of how ******* stupid you are.

Who goes out and spends a half a million dollars or more on setting up a machine shop then goes door to door asking if someone needs some "machining: done".

If that wasn't so ******* pitiful it would be really really funny. Door to door wanting to know if anyone needs some machining done. LMFAO.

 

[Iceweasel]

But I would have a hard time believing you spent a lot of money and HOPED that their would be some sort of market for the goods and service you provide.

That's the way it works in the real world. You have no guarantee your goods or services will be utilized. You essentially create the demand if you have something people want. Get it?

 

[RKMBrown]

Do you go door to door first and ask everyone if they have some machining they need done? That's very naive.

That's another example of how ******* stupid you are.

Who goes out and spends a half a million dollars or more on setting up a machine shop then goes door to door asking if someone needs some "machining: done".

If that wasn't so ******* pitiful it would be really really funny. Door to door wanting to know if anyone needs some machining done. LMFAO.

English isn't your first language, is it?
Iceweasel asked you a question, that essentially calls out your point as ridiculous. Then you turn around and call him pitiful for asking you a question that tears up your argument... This while pretending he was defending your argument. That's funny.

 

[BlackSand]

Nice attempt to obfuscate.

SO in other words you saw a demand in the market and filled it. Which is exactly what I have been saying.

There was no demand for what didn't exist.

I speculated I could create demand for a service that didn't exist. I hired particular employees to produce a service that didn't exist. Then marketed the service provided to create the demand I desired.

That is where the risk comes in.

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[Iceweasel]

Do you go door to door first and ask everyone if they have some machining they need done? That's very naive.

That's another example of how ******* stupid you are.

Who goes out and spends a half a million dollars or more on setting up a machine shop then goes door to door asking if someone needs some "machining: done".

If that wasn't so ******* pitiful it would be really really funny. Door to door wanting to know if anyone needs some machining done. LMFAO.

The irony meter pegged out on that one. I asked the question to illustrate how faulty your logic was.

 

[RKMBrown]

Some people lack imagination to identify potential for demand. They only see existing sales and are incapable of understanding what might have been and what might be.

 

[BlackSand]

Some people lack imagination to identify potential for demand. They only see existing sales and are incapable of understanding what might have been and what might be.

That is why they are employees.
Whether it is to a business or a market ... They are still working for someone else.

The difference comes when you can make the market work for you ... And are successful enough to keep and provide for your employees.

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[zeke]

I saw a market that provided a service .

You may have seen a company providing a service to a particular market. And decided to compete in that market.

But the idea of, lets say the market for small electronics, that market providing a service. How does that work?
Who did the small electronics market provide a service to?

 

[RKMBrown]

Some people lack imagination to identify potential for demand. They only see existing sales and are incapable of understanding what might have been and what might be.

That is why they are employees.
Whether it is to a business or a market ... They are still working for someone else.

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Well that and it's a lot of work to run a business. One can have the vision, but it is another thing entirely to have the vision, the time, the motivation, skill, allies, and luck to be successful.

 

[The Rabbi]

I saw a market that provided a service .

You may have seen a company providing a service to a particular market. And decided to compete in that market.

But the idea of, lets say the market for small electronics, that market providing a service. How does that work?
Who did the small electronics market provide a service to?

Customers.
See, Zeke It's like this. Let's say someone drives by your trailer on their way to work. They see the piles of Blatz cans outside. They conclude, Gee, poor stupid people must like to drink lots of beer. I'll bet it costs a lot to drink that much. I'll design a home brewing kit, I'll make it so simple even a brain dead alcoholic like Zekester can operate it, and I'll sell it on the basis of cost and ease.
So he goes and does that.
Now, the market for such a thing didnt really exist because no one pays you any attention. But some genius figured out what will make you spend money and creates and markets his product.

 

[The Rabbi]

Some people lack imagination to identify potential for demand. They only see existing sales and are incapable of understanding what might have been and what might be.

That is why they are employees.
Whether it is to a business or a market ... They are still working for someone else.

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Well that and it's a lot of work to run a business. One can have the vision, but it is another thing entirely to have the vision, the time, the motivation, skill, allies, and luck to be successful.

According to OnePercenter all you need is 5 years' capital and dont hire relatives.