Don t Let Anybody Tell You That Businesses Create Jobs

[OnePercenter]

Totally off the shit you spewed in your original post ...............
Deflect, defend, deny ............... it and ignorance are the only strategies left ....................

Businessweek is spewing shit? Really?

 

[rdean]

Thank God business understands the concept of "Supply and Demand" and how that leads to jobs. If you left it to Republicans, we would all be Red States with disastrous economies under mounds of debt.

 

[Oldstyle]

And you do realize that if you were to raise the minimum wage to $23.50 an hour that there would be a corresponding rise in the wages of everyone else to maintain pay structure? How do you prevent inflation when you increase labor costs by such a huge amount in one fell swoop?

Goods and service prices are locked to 2009 levels for 10 years, thus no inflation.

And you do realize that if you were to raise the minimum wage to $23.50 an hour that there would be a corresponding rise in the wages of everyone else to maintain pay structure? How do you prevent inflation when you increase labor costs by such a huge amount in one fell swoop?

Goods and service prices are locked to 2009 levels for 10 years, thus no inflation.

Ok...let's say you actually DID have the authority to "lock" prices on goods and services to 2009 levels for 10 years! Kindly explain to me how the Private sector is going to absorb the cost of massive across the board increases in labor costs? If prices are "locked"...then who is it that's going to come up with all that money you want to pay out in wages? Do you somehow not grasp that you would very quickly bankrupt most of the businesses in the US?

 

[Oldstyle]

I'm curious, 1%er...what was your concentration in Grad School?

Wasn't required then.

When and where did you get an MBA that didn't have a concentration?

 

[bripat9643]

Yes, but you're an ignorant troll who sells weed out of moms basement and thinks you have a business.

Yes or No; Middle class spending helps the nation prosper.

No. Demand does not create demand, and jobs don't create jobs.

 

[bripat9643]

Many restaurants run on very thin margins as well. Any increase in overhead could kill them. But he flies around in his jet and can't be bothered with the little people.

Properly run restaurants realize a 20% net.

Restaurants that make bad food realize losses, no matter how well they are run.

 

[bripat9643]

So if the point is to keep goods or services low and competitive how again would paying the employee accomplish this??

See, when you break it down to plain and simple English that any moron can understand your suggestions screams STUPIDITY!!!

In finance, a subsidy is any monies give by a government in the form of aid.

Direct: Cash

Indirect: Tax Deduction

You proved once again that you're a dumbass poser. A tax deduction is not a subsidy.

 

[bripat9643]

See you have no clue what the **** you are talking about, the reference was about money left on the table because no business would operate where there was no chance of large profit margins.........

Not only do you look like a ******* retard right now, but you are making some phantom point only you understand .........................

Large profits. Which leads to the question; Why would you go into business if you can't make large profits?

Yeah, I just don't get those business owners who insist on making as little as possible.

 

[bripat9643]

You seem to be a good little Lefty.....

Let's talk about Tax Deductions....are they Government "expenditures" ?

Deductions are unrealized revenue to AID (subsidy) taxpayers.

Money in my pocket is "unrealized revenue" to a mugger.

 

[The Rabbi]

So if the point is to keep goods or services low and competitive how again would paying the employee accomplish this??

See, when you break it down to plain and simple English that any moron can understand your suggestions screams STUPIDITY!!!

In finance, a subsidy is any monies give by a government in the form of aid.

Direct: Cash

Indirect: Tax Deduction

You proved once again that you're a dumbass poser. A tax deduction is not a subsidy.

I told you: he is a poseur. No one with any actual training in economics could make statements like this.

 

[Mac1958]

No one this ignorant about business has actually done it.

He's not for real.

Instead of giving me a figurative 'F bomb,' why don't you show me where I'm wrong......Or can you?

Your premise - that running a business is not complicated - is so absurd that the whole discussion is silly.

Tell that to a Fortune 500 or Russell 2000 company or Wilshire 5000 company.

And your little list about how to be a successful company. Holy crap.

I'm not buying your act. Try it on someone else.

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[emilynghiem]

Hi 1%
1. If you believe in paying 23.50 per hour, why not set an example and pay this yourself to the workers of your company who built it for you? Go back amd calculate paying them 23.50 an hour and see if you would still make tens of millions selling your Company.

The lowest hourly rate I pay is $23.50/hr, plus company paid PPO PLUS Aflac type supplemental, PLUS a European based vacation program with four weeks paid at five years. The company netted 20% last year.

2. When the Greens help cmunities issues local currency, they set up the rates themselves. They dont wait for govt or fed. So they practice what they preach, dont preach to others what to practice.
Its all by free market choice!

There is no free market, it's fixed.

3. Thanks for answering honestly that you did NOT treat the employees as equal owners and builders of your company. You can always go back and pay them equal shares if you REALLY believed and valued them equally.

My company isn't an employees owned company.

So you agree that you should have
More say as the owner.

As far as expansion, yes. Day-to-day operations are controlled by field teams using set parameters based on safety, goals, and quality.

Wouldnt it be exploitation not to pay them equally if you really believe your employees built your company and did all the work for you?

Exploitation is a Republican ideology. I'm not a Republican.

So now I will change the Bullring challenge to either pay your workers backpay at 23.50 per hour ie the difference you owe them
Or split the sales value with them

Or admit you either DONT believe the workers really did all that work for you but you created and provided equal services to them in jobs and what you paid per hour already, which is the point about businesses providing stable work for ppl,
Or admit you are a hypocrite for saying one thing but not doing it
With your company when you did
Exactly what the people are saying-that the owners like you
Provide a higher level of mgmt than the workers in building and making the busness work.

I challenge you to pay back 5 million to your workers or else
Raise 5 million in capital to create campus that teaches workers to build their own businesses like you did.

so you will NOT be a hypocrite but you will practice the points you preach. Let's build a campus to train ppl, i'm with you on this as a fellow Democrat, Green supporter of sustainable fair trade, and of the
Occupy volunteers that liked the plan to set up historic houses for Vets in a campus setting with work and educational internships and services on site. Thanks! I hope you accept the Bullring challemge
To prove you really believe in
Practicing your own principles....

I don't for a minute believe you are a Democrat.

I believe that the minimum wage for all jobs in the US should be $23.50/hr, which is what I pay, so how could I be a hypocrite?

Hi 1% G R E A T!
this is great news!

I'm glad you pay 23.50 an hour.
So the question is: why not encourage others to do so FREELY as YOU had the FREE CHOICE to do so?
Why this push to impose by law, when you weren't forced by law.
You did so because it works for the business model you demonstrate successfully.
So why not keep with that model of using FREE CHOICE as YOU DID?

Let's change the Bullring bet then
to saying I'm not a Democrat and me proving I am.

If I am lying and not really a registered Democrat
in Precinct 30/Freedmen's Town under SJL District,
Then I will agree to push your platform to "mandate" 23.50 an hour which I disagree with
as not the jurisdiction of govt to dictate for businesses that may need a different model.

Then if you're wrong, and I am what I say,
then you have to help me raise the money to fund the
campus plan in this Freedmen's Town national historic district
to help SJL and teh Democrat Party set up sustainable
business education and property management training for
all members of the Party as restitution for debts owed to
the people, public and party members for damages from
political corruption and abuses under Democrat Administrations.
EX: Freedmen's Town development funds and grants being misdirected to destroy this national history
EX: Solyndra loans going bad at upwards of 500 million, and use this campus project
to hold the land as collateral against loans to pay back the taxpayers, and then using
business development and job training on the site to pay back the loan over time.
So it will be ADDING collateral to the Solyndra loan and paying that back,
after the deal already went bad. if the wrongdoers can pay back the loan they ran off with
at taxpayers' expense, then the campus land and project will still belong to the govt.
But if the people pay back the loan by buying it out, then the people will own the land
and the project as collateral on that debt they basically bought from the govt/Solyndra
that couldn't collect back on it.

So 1% if you are the business minded person here, I'd be honored if you headed
up a business plan to use the Freedmen's Town campus district project as
collateral to solicit investments, donations or loans against bad govt debts owed to the taxpayers.

I'll let you handle that,
and your contributions and participation can either be voluntary,
or can be mandatory if made a condition of this bet that I'm really a fellow Democrat.

I think it is still hypocritical of you to say Republicans are guilty of exploitation
or that business owners don't hold more say over the ownership and buildin gof a company
if you, yourself, did not share the sales of the company equally with the other workers you claim built it with or for you.

Clearly you hold your management or ownership position above theirs
and agree it was not set up to be "employee owned" so the workers were NOT equal to you.

It was not set up that way!

So it appears you AGREE more than you disagree with conservatives
who are saying the same thing, that the Owners OWN the company
and the workers are NOT equal owners. I think you agree more than disagree.

Where we disagree on the 23.50 an hour is
why are you pushing mandatory laws when you did this freely?

I say the same thing to prolife conservatives.
If they can push prolife anti-abortion outreach by CHOICE
that is superior to mandating it by law where people aren't choosing prevention because of
educated free choice and responsibility. If none of the prolife people rely on bans
to make them anti-abortion and push prevention, why should they push bans for other people.
Why can't they trust people to be educated and make better choices the same way
they CHOOSE to be prolife because it works better, not because the law forces them not to choose abortion.

So I say the same to you.

If 23.50 works better, and you choose it freely
why not respect the same for others?

The Greens teach independent currency based on 10-20 an hour depending
on how it is set up. So they don't force it by law, or push to mandate this by law.

it is aLREADY a free and legal choice to set up your own local currency and
pay each other at a rate of 10 to 20 an hour as agreed within that community.

No further legislation is needed, it's by free choice so it works better
because people have a vested interest and CHOOSE to make it work.

 

[emilynghiem]

So if the point is to keep goods or services low and competitive how again would paying the employee accomplish this??

See, when you break it down to plain and simple English that any moron can understand your suggestions screams STUPIDITY!!!

In finance, a subsidy is any monies give by a government in the form of aid.

Direct: Cash

Indirect: Tax Deduction

You proved once again that you're a dumbass poser. A tax deduction is not a subsidy.

I told you: he is a poseur. No one with any actual training in economics could make statements like this.

OK Rabbi. let's revise the Bullring challenge between 1% and me.

He says I'm not a real Democrat.

You say he's not a real business owner.

I know I can prove I'm a Democrat!

 

[RKMBrown]

So if the point is to keep goods or services low and competitive how again would paying the employee accomplish this??

See, when you break it down to plain and simple English that any moron can understand your suggestions screams STUPIDITY!!!

In finance, a subsidy is any monies give by a government in the form of aid.

Direct: Cash

Indirect: Tax Deduction

You proved once again that you're a dumbass poser. A tax deduction is not a subsidy.

I told you: he is a poseur. No one with any actual training in economics could make statements like this.

OK Rabbi. let's revise the Bullring challenge between 1% and me.

He says I'm not a real Democrat.

You say he's not a real business owner.

I know I can prove I'm a Democrat!

I think 1%'s point was that you appear to be too smart to be a democrat like him.

 

[emilynghiem]

Other than being English-challenged, nothing. What that has to do with starting, running or expanding a business I really couldn't tell. Neither could you.

I'm simply putting a kabosh on the belief that owning a business is some type of complicated endeavor.

Dear 1%
Are you at liberty to give details about what TYPE of business this was?

Some people here are saying you never did any of what you claim.
it's hard to validate if you can't ever give any concrete details.

Can you give a general description?
a. was the focus of the business goods or was it services? was it real estate?
was it internet related (some people can build a website interface and then turn around and sell it for millions,
even teenagers have built a business online and become millionaires)
b. was it sales or multilevel structure related?
c. anything else you can describe: the more details you give it can be easily verified
and quit this questioning you because you never say what it is that you did or built

also, 1% do you acknowledge that running ONE kind of business is different from another type?

For example, the RESTAURANT business involves not only
A. location
B. marketing
but also
C. the food and health regulations and ordinances on local and other levels of law
D. management issues with food stock and inventory plus service by the actual staff
E. workers in the kitchen are different from waitstaff and the training/requirements aer different

So HOW can you compare a RESTAURANT business
with, say, a business where someone markets and gets commission off radio ads
and builds a whole network of matching radio clients with customer clients and media etc.

RESTAURANTS deal with both the physical customers, food and the marketing etc.
RADIO deals with information and media and people (both clients, customers, listener base etc.)

If you are really a legit business person
can you see how this sound ridiculous if
you say that just because you set up and ran a successful business
then ALL BUSINESSES can be run the same way using the same model?

That doesn't sound like an MBA to me either.

So I can prove I am a Democrat, I can list my Precinct where I have served
as a Delegate and I can set up a three way call with me, you and either
a staff person at SJLee's office or with Darrell Patterson, Precinct Chair,
to tell you we have been working for years ont he Freedmen's Town plans.

Like all Democrats, we can't get JACK done and it is being destroyed under our noses.
What other proof do you need besides we are abject failures, with millions of dollars
of grants running through hands that are not going into preserving this national historic
site of Freed Slave churches and African American history.

Sounds like Democrats, right? To claim to respect and honor the African American
community, and then let this district get destroyed under our own Democrat leadersihp.

If you need proof, that should be plenty!

There, I can drop NAMES: Sheila Jackson Lee's district (D), Darrell Patterson
Precinct 30 Chair, I've been a delegate there and have been paying for the costs
of 3-4 nonprofits within the Freedmen's Town community where SJL signed the
plans to preserve the historic housing as a campus. http www.houstonprogressive.org

I've presented the combined plans of the community leaders for years to City Council and posted them online to try to organize resources to save the historic houses for Veterans and church members to rebuild the district:
http://www.freedmenstown.com

OnePercenter: can you list names of your business or at least describe what goods/services/structures
it operated and made money based on? That would help!

i think I could prove I'm a Democrat before you can give enough details to verify your side.
I understand if you don't want to give details online,
but that's why people don't believe you.

I understand if people don't think the Freedmen's Town project is real either.
it's hard to fathom how the Democrats could let their own district and leadership get destroyed
and no one would expose this in the media. everyone wants to look the other way,
that's why it's gong on so long. They only want to focus on good news, so there isn't any
good news yet. All the good news are in the PLANS that always gets destroyed so they only focus on
the problems and I can't find people to support the solutions. Too busy waiting on God or Govt to fix things, I guess!

If you think hyou can HEAD the business team to build a campus there
and unite the President, Democrats and all Black Church, Business and Civic leaders around this,
I've proposed that also through Occupy the Dream and other angles to try to get
everyone on the same page.

Can you apply your busienss skills here to make it work?

I set up an LLC for National Freedmen's Town District
and asked to buy the last set of 10 hisotric rowhouses for Vets,
but need to put together a business team to unite aroun dthis and really push it.

Let me know if you would be interested in working with Occupy Democrats
and organize a team to bulid a sustainable campus there for teaching
Business like you believe it can and should be done! Why not just
TEACH It instead of legislate it. If you can show it works as a model,
that can be replicated by FREE CHOICE as you, yourself, chose freely
and didn't rely on Govt to mandate your choices by law. Why not promote
good models for business by education and training through a campus built just for that?

Thanks!

 

[mikegriffith1]

It is just unbelievable that this nonsense has become a factoid among Democrats. Consumers work for businesses. Nearly all poor and middle-class people work for people who own businesses. If consumers had no jobs, they would have no income to spend. You can't have consumers without businesses, and you can't have businesses without consumers.

 

[OnePercenter]

Ok...let's say you actually DID have the authority to "lock" prices on goods and services to 2009 levels for 10 years! Kindly explain to me how the Private sector is going to absorb the cost of massive across the board increases in labor costs? If prices are "locked"...then who is it that's going to come up with all that money you want to pay out in wages? Do you somehow not grasp that you would very quickly bankrupt most of the businesses in the US?

Under my plan, federal income tax is based on 35% of gross. ALL employees expenses as well as State and local taxes and fees are deductible dollar for dollar from federal taxes.

Businesses with 300 or less employees are able to receive a refund if expenses are more than the 35% federal tax. Which they are.

 

[OnePercenter]

No. Demand does not create demand, and jobs don't create jobs.

The Koch Brothers must be proud of you.

Answer the question; Yes or No; Middle class spending helps the nation prosper.

 

[OnePercenter]

Many restaurants run on very thin margins as well. Any increase in overhead could kill them. But he flies around in his jet and can't be bothered with the little people.

Properly run restaurants realize a 20% net.

Restaurants that make bad food realize losses, no matter how well they are run.

Properly run restaurants realize a 20% net.

 

[OnePercenter]

You proved once again that you're a dumbass poser. A tax deduction is not a subsidy.

In finance, a subsidy is AID given by the government. If you can make an argument that a deduction isn't AID, then go for it.....