Don t Let Anybody Tell You That Businesses Create Jobs

[deltex1]

Demand for goods and services creates jobs. Period.

Which is why we have flying cars that run on water.

Owning a business is a job. No demand for goods and services.......no jobs.

But all it takes to have goods or services is to demand, yes sparky?

Ignorance is the foundation of leftism.

It is easy to think you win debates when you are debating with yourself. You have entirely misrepresented my argument and then declared victory.

The stuff of true losers.

Same thing Pubs do with Dems- like here. Trickle down doesn't work becomes businesses don't create jobs and away they go...brainwashed functional morons voting against their own interests and the country's.

Oh.

 

[LoneLaugher]

has Bubba been asked about Hillary's flub yet?

You might hope he isn't. He'll say the same thing....and end the "controversy". She is right. If you fuckers were interested in doing the right thing....this wouldn't even be a thread.

 

[francoHFW]

It is easy to think you win debates when you are debating with yourself. You have entirely misrepresented my argument and then declared victory.

The stuff of true losers.

You repeated a stupid claim that you have seen and heard on leftist websites. You don't grasp the concepts behind the fallacious claim, nor my response. The idea that demand gives rise to production (ergo jobs) is utter stupidity. It is akin to claiming that rain causes swimming pools - after all they are filled with water.

Demand creates nothing, not jobs, not products, not services. Demand is at best a catalyst for action; an industrious person or business may move to capture that demand, for their own profit.

That is really great doublespeak.

It's basic stuff.

All you assholes want to talk about is the inventor....or the innovative idea. As if that is a standard of some kind.

I'm talking about long term.....large scale economics. You know....the shit that sustains modern industrialized nations.

If demand decreases.....jobs will be cut. If it increases, jobs will be created.

If a business owner is worth a shit....he will JUMP at any opportunity to cut payroll if he can maintain production that meets demand. That is very easy when demand drops.

Go ahead....bore me some more.

And very shortsighted he is. Happy employees increase loyalty, productivity, and have money to buy and create a healthy economy. That's why businessmen make shitty politicians and leaders.

 

[deltex1]

I am sure he would start with the ' I brought arithmetic to DC ...and Monica liked it!

 

[LoneLaugher]

Businesses don't create jobs. Consumer demand creates jobs.

Therefore, it's more important to have well compensated workers than successful businesses.

This really isn't complicated to people who haven't sold out to the Koch Brothers.

Businesses produce the products that consumers demand so they do provide jobs

Businesses also drive consumer demand by producing products then convincing people they need those products which creates jobs. And IMO this is the larger part of the equation because most of the shit people buy are more convenience than necessity
So you see it is not as simplistic as you think

Anyone who has actually owned and operated a business of any significant size, or anyone who has ever been in a position of authority or responsibility in a company of any size, knows that a business will often have to invest in capital, human or otherwise, in anticipation of demand.

Yeah, that's a big risk, just one of many risks a business has to take. Every day. That's such a normal part of doing business that it's amazing this is even an issue.

The whole "business only hires when there is demand" meme is so silly and simplistic and naive and ignorant that trying to communicate with someone who actually thinks that is usually an abject waste of time.

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"Ahem!!!! AHEM!!!

Ladies and gentlemen.......I wish to invest your money in a new widget. It is a great widget. Trust me. I cannot forecast demand for this widget. I have no idea if we will be able to sell even a single widget. I think we might......but then again.....we might not.

But....we are going to have to hire 100 new workers to make lots of these widgets! Isn't that wonderful?!!"

 

[Uncensored2008]

That is really great doublespeak.

It's basic stuff.

All you assholes want to talk about is the inventor....or the innovative idea. As if that is a standard of some kind.

I'm talking about long term.....large scale economics. You know....the shit that sustains modern industrialized nations.

If demand decreases.....jobs will be cut. If it increases, jobs will be created.

If a business owner is worth a shit....he will JUMP at any opportunity to cut payroll if he can maintain production that meets demand. That is very easy when demand drops.

Go ahead....bore me some more.

What you are doing is babbling incoherently. You seek to promote your party, and the position of your party is that the market is irrelevant, only the needs of the people.

You attempt to tie production to demand, but that has never worked. More ground beef is sold than fillet mignon - is that because there isn't enough demand for fillet? No, it's because the SUPPLY of fillet is limited, ergo a higher price is commanded. Consumer demand without reciprocal supply is utterly irrelevant.

Good business metes supply to demand in perfect proportion. Over-supply will often create more demand, as prices drop for products. But demand cannot create production, it can drive business to increase production - if all the other factors align, but demand itself is nothing more than want.

 

[LoneLaugher]

That is really great doublespeak.

It's basic stuff.

All you assholes want to talk about is the inventor....or the innovative idea. As if that is a standard of some kind.

I'm talking about long term.....large scale economics. You know....the shit that sustains modern industrialized nations.

If demand decreases.....jobs will be cut. If it increases, jobs will be created.

If a business owner is worth a shit....he will JUMP at any opportunity to cut payroll if he can maintain production that meets demand. That is very easy when demand drops.

Go ahead....bore me some more.

What you are doing is babbling incoherently. You seek to promote your party, and the position of your party is that the market is irrelevant, only the needs of the people.

You attempt to tie production to demand, but that has never worked. More ground beef is sold than fillet mignon - is that because there isn't enough demand for fillet? No, it's because the SUPPLY of fillet is limited, ergo a higher price is commanded. Consumer demand without reciprocal supply is utterly irrelevant.

Good business metes supply to demand in perfect proportion. Over-supply will often create more demand, as prices drop for products. But demand cannot create production, it can drive business to increase production - if all the other factors align, but demand itself is nothing more than want.

Party? What party?

You are not babbling? Filet mignon ( one L ) versus ground beef? You idiot. If filet mignon was affordable to every person who can afford ground beef....then........WHAT?

Come on........tell me that a decrease in demand for single family homes will result in an increase in construction jobs. I'm waiting.

 

[francoHFW]

See if you hater dupes can spot the effect of trickle down...functional morons. Cut the crap.

Over the past 30 years the American dream has gradually disappeared. The process was slow, so most people didn’t notice. They just worked a few more hours, borrowed a little more and cut back on non-essentials. But looking at the numbers and comparing them over long time periods, it is obvious that things have changed drastically. Here are the details:

1. WORKERS PRODUCE MORE BUT THE GAINS GO TO BUSINESS.

Over the past 63 years worker productivity has grown by 2.0% per year.

But after 1980, workers received a smaller share every year. Labor’s share of income (1992 = 100%):

1950 = 101%
1960 = 105%
1970 = 105%
1980 = 105% – Reagan
1990 = 100%
2000 = 96%
2007 = 92%

A 13% drop since 1980

2. THE TOP 10% GET A LARGER SHARE.

Share of National Income going to Top 10%:

1950 = 35%
1960 = 34%
1970 = 34%
1980 = 34% – Reagan
1990 = 40%
2000 = 47%
2007 = 50%

An increase of 16% since Reagan.

3. WORKERS COMPENSATED FOR THE LOSS OF INCOME BY SPENDING THEIR SAVINGS.

The savings Rose up to Reagan and fell during and after.

1950 = 6.0%
1960 = 7.0%
1970 = 8.5%
1980 = 10.0% – Reagan
1982 = 11.2% – Peak
1990 = 7.0%
2000 = 2.0%
2006 = -1.1% (Negative = withdrawing from savings)

A 12.3% drop after Reagan.

4. WORKERS ALSO BORROWED TO MAKE UP FOR THE LOSS.

Household Debt as percentage of GDP:

1965 = 46%
1970 = 45%
1980 = 50% – Reagan
1990 = 61%
2000 = 69%
2007 = 95%

A 45% increase after 1980.

5. SO THE GAP BETWEEN THE RICHEST AND THE POOREST HAS GROWN.

Gap Between the Share of Capital Income earned by the top 1%
and the bottom 80%:

1980 = 10%
2003 = 56%

A 5.6 times increase.

6. AND THE AMERICAN DREAM IS GONE.

The Probably of Moving Up from the Bottom 40% to the Top 40%:

1945 = 12%
1958 = 6%
1990 = 3%
2000 = 2%

A 10% Decrease.

Links:

1 = ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/special.requests/pf/totalf1.txt
1 = https://www.clevelandfed.org/Research/PolicyDis/No7Nov04.pdf
1 = Clipboard01.jpg image
2 – Congratulations to Emmanuel Saez The White House
3 = http://www.demos.org/inequality/images/charts/uspersonalsaving_thumb.gif
3 = U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis BEA
4 = http://www.prudentbear.com/index.php/household-sector-debt-of-gdp
4 = FRB Z.1 Release--Financial Accounts of the United States--September 18 2014
5/6 = Wealth And Inequality In America - Business Insider

Overview = http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-entry/2010062415/reagan-revolution-home-roost-charts

 

[Uncensored2008]

Party? What party?

You are not babbling? Filet mignon ( one L ) versus ground beef?

Come on........tell me that a decrease in demand for single family homes will result in an increase in construction jobs. I'm waiting.

No, what i will tell you is that demand for 50,000 sq ft. homes in the 5 figure range in Manhattan will result in zero jobs, and zero homes.

Demand does not produce anything. Production is merely adjusted to meet demand.

 

[francoHFW]

Demand for goods and services creates jobs. Period.

Which is why we have flying cars that run on water.

Owning a business is a job. No demand for goods and services.......no jobs.

But all it takes to have goods or services is to demand, yes sparky?

Ignorance is the foundation of leftism.

It is easy to think you win debates when you are debating with yourself. You have entirely misrepresented my argument and then declared victory.

The stuff of true losers.

Same thing Pubs do with Dems- like here. Trickle down doesn't work becomes businesses don't create jobs and away they go...brainwashed functional morons voting against their own interests and the country's.

Oh.

Yes, you.

 

[EconChick]

has Bubba been asked about Hillary's flub yet?

You might hope he isn't. He'll say the same thing....and end the "controversy". She is right. If you fuckers were interested in doing the right thing....this wouldn't even be a thread.

STFU, Loser Loner. One of your liberal heroes has been busted again for abject stupidity.

And everyone knows it.

 

[Rozman]

So if businesses don't create jobs.
Who does?
Obama?

 

[EconChick]

But by all means you libs should reveal what Communists you really are at the core. I just heard Bob Beckel try to defend Hillary again by saying "consumers create jobs, not businesses." Even Socialists would be embarrassed by this.

Please keep dumbing down like this.....

 

[EconChick]

So if businesses don't create jobs.
Who does?
Obama?

Wait till you hear who. Bill Clinton was just at a Grimes event and he said "Senators create jobs...."

 

[EconChick]

I kid you not.

 

[Rozman]

Government creates jobs by imposing regulation after regulation...
Is that the plan?

 

[deltex1]

Party? What party?

You are not babbling? Filet mignon ( one L ) versus ground beef?

Come on........tell me that a decrease in demand for single family homes will result in an increase in construction jobs. I'm waiting.

No, what i will tell you is that demand for 50,000 sq ft. homes in the 5 figure range in Manhattan will result in zero jobs, and zero homes.

Demand does not produce anything. Production is merely adjusted to meet demand.

Read that last sentence 10 times...and tell me it makes sense.

 

[paulitician]

I think we can all now agree that Communist/Progressive wankers should not be Presidents. I guess we'll see what Americans think about that on Election Day.

 

[deltex1]

I think we can all now agree that Communist/Progressive wankers should not be Presidents. I guess we'll see what Americans think about that on Election Day.

If we don't see what we should see....it's time to man the barricades.

 

[Iceweasel]

So if businesses don't create jobs.
Who does?
Obama?

The government of course. They created the roads, cars, water, air, sun, gravity and provided the bodies so a handful of people could get rich.