Don t Let Anybody Tell You That Businesses Create Jobs

[Derideo_Te]

What actually created jobs during the Clinton Administration?

We had two of the LARGEST TAX INCREASES in history. Spending on the military was being slashed and bases were being closed down. The government (ARPA) created Internet took off and the government was hiring thousands of new cops and teachers.

Tax increases, government investment, reduction in military spending and public sector hiring all contributed to 20 million new jobs.

Compare that to businesses outsourcing millions of jobs overseas because of Republican failed "free markets" dogma, massive taxcuts for the highest earners and illegal warmongering that have cost this nation trillions of taxpayer dollars.

Which scenario is better for We the People?

And then the dot com bubble busted and Bush spent 8 years blaming Clinton.

Actually it was the Republican Contract On America bubble that burst.

This was the basics of the Contract with America and nothing in it had a damned thing to do with the Dot com bubble.

1. require all laws that apply to the rest of the country also apply to Congress;
2. select a major, independent auditing firm to conduct a comprehensive audit of Congress for waste, fraud or abuse;
3. cut the number of House committees, and cut committee staff by one-third;
4. limit the terms of all committee chairs;
5. ban the casting of proxy votes in committee;
6. require committee meetings to be open to the public;
7. require a three-fifths majority vote to pass a tax increase;
8. guarantee an honest accounting of the Federal Budget by implementing zero base-line budgeting.

Why did you leave out the most important part of the Republican Contract On America that DEREGULATED Arthur Anderson and resulted in the ENRON ponzi scheme, Worldcom, etc?

 

[Derideo_Te]

national defense is the number one priority of the government

Where does it say that defense is the #1 priority in the Constitution?

 

[Derideo_Te]

Net zero? Really?

Facts not in evidence.

Yeah, there is no evidence in reality.

Two largest tax increases in the history of this nation occurred under Bush Sr and Bill Clinton and that was followed by 20 million new jobs being created.

The massive tax cuts under Bush Jr resulted in a net zero job creation. Even when you factor out the economic collapse there is zero evidence that tax cuts produced any jobs.

The Truth About The Bush Tax Cuts And Job Growth - Forbes

So the "evidence in reality" is that increasing taxes does NOT harm the economy.

Facts not in evidence.

Yeah, there is no evidence in reality.

Two largest tax increases in the history of this nation occurred under Bush Sr and Bill Clinton and that was followed by 20 million new jobs being created.

The massive tax cuts under Bush Jr resulted in a net zero job creation. Even when you factor out the economic collapse there is zero evidence that tax cuts produced any jobs.

The Truth About The Bush Tax Cuts And Job Growth - Forbes

So the "evidence in reality" is that increasing taxes does NOT harm the economy.

Yes, the massive job losses following the Republican economic collapse of 2008 essentially wiped out any gains in jobs during the Bush jr administration. The Forbes article deliberately excluded that period in order to make their point about tax cuts not doing squat to "create jobs".

Interesting that you couldn't refute a single fact provided in the article. That is a tacit admission that you were lying when you alleged that increasing taxes would harm the economy.

The Democrats controlled the House in 2007 and 2008.

Irrelevant deflection.

 

[Derideo_Te]

50 years ago, no one even thought of owning a computer.

The Abacus was the earliest form of a personal computer and it dates from 2700 BC.

Charles Babbage came up the idea for a programmable computer back in 1822.

Charles Babbage - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

IBM produced a personal computer in 1948 and there was an educational PC called Simon built in 1950.

 

[Derideo_Te]

Two largest tax increases in the history of this nation occurred under Bush Sr and Bill Clinton and that was followed by 20 million new jobs being created.

The massive tax cuts under Bush Jr resulted in a net zero job creation. Even when you factor out the economic collapse there is zero evidence that tax cuts produced any jobs.

The Truth About The Bush Tax Cuts And Job Growth - Forbes

So the "evidence in reality" is that increasing taxes does NOT harm the economy.

Taxes are WAY too high, raising them is a bad idea. Second only to electing a bunch of dumb asses to spend it.

Zero substantiation for your allegation.

Go ahead tell us why taxes should be increased so I can mock you. lol

Onus is on you to substantiate your own ludicrous allegation that "Taxes are WAY too high, raising them is a bad idea".

This is what happens when you cut taxes.

The Great Kansas Libertarianism Tea Party Disaster US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

That's your problem right there, thinking I have to justify keeping MY money.

Taxes are the price you pay to live in a civilized society. Oliver Wendell Holmes.

The onus is on you to PROVE that "increasing taxes harms the economy".

Whining doesn't cut it. Try again.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Whether puzzling, I know there had to be some democrats in that crowd that had to be business owners, and how they could sit their and remain silent and not scream at the top of their voice "you are an insane *****"

 

[Iceweasel]

Who is hiring those illegals if it isn't business?

An awful lot of homeowners, including libs. Maybe especially libs, no one loves a good deal better than they.

That has to be the dumbest allegation you have ever made!

Liberal homeowners employ 12 to 20 million illegal immigrants?

Seriously?

Where is your credible link to substantiate your BS allegation?

How far up your ass would I have to shove it for you to see what I actually said?

 

[Iceweasel]

Who is hiring those illegals if it isn't business?

An awful lot of homeowners, including libs. Maybe especially libs, no one loves a good deal better than they.

That has to be the dumbest allegation you have ever made!

Liberal homeowners employ 12 to 20 million illegal immigrants?

Seriously?

Where is your credible link to substantiate your BS allegation?

It's like trying to debate with a 5 yr old.

A 5 year old would kick your ass in any debate.

 

[Iceweasel]

Taxes are the price you pay to live in a civilized society. Oliver Wendell Holmes.

The onus is on you to PROVE that "increasing taxes harms the economy".

Whining doesn't cut it. Try again.

It's been proven, seen it here many times. Remove your head and try again.

 

[Redfish]

Taxes are WAY too high, raising them is a bad idea. Second only to electing a bunch of dumb asses to spend it.

Zero substantiation for your allegation.

Go ahead tell us why taxes should be increased so I can mock you. lol

Onus is on you to substantiate your own ludicrous allegation that "Taxes are WAY too high, raising them is a bad idea".

This is what happens when you cut taxes.

The Great Kansas Libertarianism Tea Party Disaster US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

That's your problem right there, thinking I have to justify keeping MY money.

Taxes are the price you pay to live in a civilized society. Oliver Wendell Holmes.

The onus is on you to PROVE that "increasing taxes harms the economy".

Whining doesn't cut it. Try again.

Taxes are WAY too high, raising them is a bad idea. Second only to electing a bunch of dumb asses to spend it.

Zero substantiation for your allegation.

Go ahead tell us why taxes should be increased so I can mock you. lol

Onus is on you to substantiate your own ludicrous allegation that "Taxes are WAY too high, raising them is a bad idea".

This is what happens when you cut taxes.

The Great Kansas Libertarianism Tea Party Disaster US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

That's your problem right there, thinking I have to justify keeping MY money.

Taxes are the price you pay to live in a civilized society. Oliver Wendell Holmes.

The onus is on you to PROVE that "increasing taxes harms the economy".

Whining doesn't cut it. Try again.

Ok, here's the deal. Lets say you are paying 15% federal income taxes. The wonderful government raises your taxes to 30%, will your personal economy be better or worse?

 

[Redfish]

What actually created jobs during the Clinton Administration?

We had two of the LARGEST TAX INCREASES in history. Spending on the military was being slashed and bases were being closed down. The government (ARPA) created Internet took off and the government was hiring thousands of new cops and teachers.

Tax increases, government investment, reduction in military spending and public sector hiring all contributed to 20 million new jobs.

Compare that to businesses outsourcing millions of jobs overseas because of Republican failed "free markets" dogma, massive taxcuts for the highest earners and illegal warmongering that have cost this nation trillions of taxpayer dollars.

Which scenario is better for We the People?

And then the dot com bubble busted and Bush spent 8 years blaming Clinton.

Actually it was the Republican Contract On America bubble that burst.

This was the basics of the Contract with America and nothing in it had a damned thing to do with the Dot com bubble.

1. require all laws that apply to the rest of the country also apply to Congress;
2. select a major, independent auditing firm to conduct a comprehensive audit of Congress for waste, fraud or abuse;
3. cut the number of House committees, and cut committee staff by one-third;
4. limit the terms of all committee chairs;
5. ban the casting of proxy votes in committee;
6. require committee meetings to be open to the public;
7. require a three-fifths majority vote to pass a tax increase;
8. guarantee an honest accounting of the Federal Budget by implementing zero base-line budgeting.

Why did you leave out the most important part of the Republican Contract On America that DEREGULATED Arthur Anderson and resulted in the ENRON ponzi scheme, Worldcom, etc?

Enron and Anderson broke the law. It had nothing to do with the GOP or its contract with america.

do you dem/libs ever not lie?

 

[TooTall]

What actually created jobs during the Clinton Administration?

We had two of the LARGEST TAX INCREASES in history. Spending on the military was being slashed and bases were being closed down. The government (ARPA) created Internet took off and the government was hiring thousands of new cops and teachers.

Tax increases, government investment, reduction in military spending and public sector hiring all contributed to 20 million new jobs.

Compare that to businesses outsourcing millions of jobs overseas because of Republican failed "free markets" dogma, massive taxcuts for the highest earners and illegal warmongering that have cost this nation trillions of taxpayer dollars.

Which scenario is better for We the People?

And then the dot com bubble busted and Bush spent 8 years blaming Clinton.

Actually it was the Republican Contract On America bubble that burst.

This was the basics of the Contract with America and nothing in it had a damned thing to do with the Dot com bubble.

1. require all laws that apply to the rest of the country also apply to Congress;
2. select a major, independent auditing firm to conduct a comprehensive audit of Congress for waste, fraud or abuse;
3. cut the number of House committees, and cut committee staff by one-third;
4. limit the terms of all committee chairs;
5. ban the casting of proxy votes in committee;
6. require committee meetings to be open to the public;
7. require a three-fifths majority vote to pass a tax increase;
8. guarantee an honest accounting of the Federal Budget by implementing zero base-line budgeting.

Why did you leave out the most important part of the Republican Contract On America that DEREGULATED Arthur Anderson and resulted in the ENRON ponzi scheme, Worldcom, etc?

Because they didn't change the laws that Arthur Anderson and ENRON broke.

 

[bripat9643]

What actually created jobs during the Clinton Administration?

We had two of the LARGEST TAX INCREASES in history. Spending on the military was being slashed and bases were being closed down. The government (ARPA) created Internet took off and the government was hiring thousands of new cops and teachers.

Tax increases, government investment, reduction in military spending and public sector hiring all contributed to 20 million new jobs.

Compare that to businesses outsourcing millions of jobs overseas because of Republican failed "free markets" dogma, massive taxcuts for the highest earners and illegal warmongering that have cost this nation trillions of taxpayer dollars.

Which scenario is better for We the People?

And then the dot com bubble busted and Bush spent 8 years blaming Clinton.

Actually it was the Republican Contract On America bubble that burst.

This was the basics of the Contract with America and nothing in it had a damned thing to do with the Dot com bubble.

1. require all laws that apply to the rest of the country also apply to Congress;
2. select a major, independent auditing firm to conduct a comprehensive audit of Congress for waste, fraud or abuse;
3. cut the number of House committees, and cut committee staff by one-third;
4. limit the terms of all committee chairs;
5. ban the casting of proxy votes in committee;
6. require committee meetings to be open to the public;
7. require a three-fifths majority vote to pass a tax increase;
8. guarantee an honest accounting of the Federal Budget by implementing zero base-line budgeting.

Why did you leave out the most important part of the Republican Contract On America that DEREGULATED Arthur Anderson and resulted in the ENRON ponzi scheme, Worldcom, etc?

Enron went bankrupt during the Clinton Administration, moron, and Arthur Anderson was never "deregulated." They committed fraud, and people went to jail for it.

 

[bripat9643]

What actually created jobs during the Clinton Administration?

We had two of the LARGEST TAX INCREASES in history. Spending on the military was being slashed and bases were being closed down. The government (ARPA) created Internet took off and the government was hiring thousands of new cops and teachers.

Tax increases, government investment, reduction in military spending and public sector hiring all contributed to 20 million new jobs.

Compare that to businesses outsourcing millions of jobs overseas because of Republican failed "free markets" dogma, massive taxcuts for the highest earners and illegal warmongering that have cost this nation trillions of taxpayer dollars.

Which scenario is better for We the People?

And then the dot com bubble busted and Bush spent 8 years blaming Clinton.

Actually it was the Republican Contract On America bubble that burst.

This was the basics of the Contract with America and nothing in it had a damned thing to do with the Dot com bubble.

1. require all laws that apply to the rest of the country also apply to Congress;
2. select a major, independent auditing firm to conduct a comprehensive audit of Congress for waste, fraud or abuse;
3. cut the number of House committees, and cut committee staff by one-third;
4. limit the terms of all committee chairs;
5. ban the casting of proxy votes in committee;
6. require committee meetings to be open to the public;
7. require a three-fifths majority vote to pass a tax increase;
8. guarantee an honest accounting of the Federal Budget by implementing zero base-line budgeting.

Why did you leave out the most important part of the Republican Contract On America that DEREGULATED Arthur Anderson and resulted in the ENRON ponzi scheme, Worldcom, etc?

Enron and Anderson broke the law. It had nothing to do with the GOP or its contract with america.

do you dem/libs ever not lie?

Nope. The entire liberal agenda is a lie, so how can you expect its supporters to be honest?

 

[TooTall]

national defense is the number one priority of the government

Where does it say that defense is the #1 priority in the Constitution?

It says to "provide for the common defense" in the Constitution and I personally assigned the priority number one. Without defending the Republic from enemies, both foreign and domestic, there would be no need for the rest of the Constitution since the Republic would no longer exist.

 

[bripat9643]

Taxes are WAY too high, raising them is a bad idea. Second only to electing a bunch of dumb asses to spend it.

Zero substantiation for your allegation.

Go ahead tell us why taxes should be increased so I can mock you. lol

Onus is on you to substantiate your own ludicrous allegation that "Taxes are WAY too high, raising them is a bad idea".

This is what happens when you cut taxes.

The Great Kansas Libertarianism Tea Party Disaster US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

That's your problem right there, thinking I have to justify keeping MY money.

Taxes are the price you pay to live in a civilized society. Oliver Wendell Holmes.

The onus is on you to PROVE that "increasing taxes harms the economy".

Whining doesn't cut it. Try again.

Nope. Oliver Wendell Holmes was a minion of the omnipotent state. His claims have no more credibility than the claims of Adolph Hitler, Joseph Stalin or Abraham Lincoln. Taxes are the ransom you pay to the devil. They do not benefit society or taxpayers in any way.

 

[bripat9643]

50 years ago, no one even thought of owning a computer.

The Abacus was the earliest form of a personal computer and it dates from 2700 BC.

Charles Babbage came up the idea for a programmable computer back in 1822.

Charles Babbage - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

IBM produced a personal computer in 1948 and there was an educational PC called Simon built in 1950.

Oh puhleeze. Your hair splitting doesn't prove a thing other than the fact that you don't have an argument.

 

[BluesLegend]

Taxes are WAY too high, raising them is a bad idea. Second only to electing a bunch of dumb asses to spend it.

Zero substantiation for your allegation.

Go ahead tell us why taxes should be increased so I can mock you. lol

Onus is on you to substantiate your own ludicrous allegation that "Taxes are WAY too high, raising them is a bad idea".

This is what happens when you cut taxes.

The Great Kansas Libertarianism Tea Party Disaster US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

That's your problem right there, thinking I have to justify keeping MY money.

Taxes are the price you pay to live in a civilized society. Oliver Wendell Holmes.

The onus is on you to PROVE that "increasing taxes harms the economy".

Whining doesn't cut it. Try again.

I pay my share of taxes, and a bunch of lazy deadbeats share on top of that hence taxes are too high. Alternatively the bunch of lazy deadbeats need to get off their ass get a job and pay their own share of taxes and stop mooching off me.

 

[Freewill]

Net zero? Really?

Yeah, there is no evidence in reality.

Two largest tax increases in the history of this nation occurred under Bush Sr and Bill Clinton and that was followed by 20 million new jobs being created.

The massive tax cuts under Bush Jr resulted in a net zero job creation. Even when you factor out the economic collapse there is zero evidence that tax cuts produced any jobs.

The Truth About The Bush Tax Cuts And Job Growth - Forbes

So the "evidence in reality" is that increasing taxes does NOT harm the economy.

Yeah, there is no evidence in reality.

Two largest tax increases in the history of this nation occurred under Bush Sr and Bill Clinton and that was followed by 20 million new jobs being created.

The massive tax cuts under Bush Jr resulted in a net zero job creation. Even when you factor out the economic collapse there is zero evidence that tax cuts produced any jobs.

The Truth About The Bush Tax Cuts And Job Growth - Forbes

So the "evidence in reality" is that increasing taxes does NOT harm the economy.

Yes, the massive job losses following the Republican economic collapse of 2008 essentially wiped out any gains in jobs during the Bush jr administration. The Forbes article deliberately excluded that period in order to make their point about tax cuts not doing squat to "create jobs".

Interesting that you couldn't refute a single fact provided in the article. That is a tacit admission that you were lying when you alleged that increasing taxes would harm the economy.

So let's see how liberal logic works. The democrats took both houses in 2006 election. Thus they had more then a year before 2008 and it was a Republican recession? Really? Are you telling us that the democrats who were clearly in power were either inept or stupid? Then with Obama's election for about a year the democrats held a filibuster proof majority and what did they do? Apparently nothing because the liberals are still bitchin' about the same things and still blaming the party the liberals say can't win an election. Liberals are just too funny and predictable.

Mindless deflection. We are discussing job growth under various administrations.

Oh really? This is what you posted, go back and look you must have forgotten, "Yes, the massive job losses following the Republican economic collapse of 2008 essentially wiped out any gains in jobs during the Bush jr administration."

So, when you said Republican economic collapse did you really mean democrat since they were in power and had been in power or were you the one deflecting? Nothing I posted was not and is not true or is a deflection. What you posted is a reinvention of history. If you want to discuss a topic then YOU stick to that topic and don't interject left wing BS. The 2008 recession was all democrat.

 

[Freewill]

The democrat argument would be more valid if what we are seeing today was not predicted many years ago. It would also be valid if in 2008 they were not the party in power. They ignored GWB to the glee of their party, and yet accept no blame for their action, much like the democrat party accepts no blame for their stand on slavery. Seems that the democrat party really thinks they do no wrong.

Perot predicted the outcome of Clinton's economic policies. Thankfully for Clinton he had GWB as president to actually take the blame for what Clinton did. Some of us will never forget.