Does welfare make people lazy?

[jknowgood]

What is the Republitarian plan for getting millions of poor people off of food stamps? It isn't to raise the minimum wage so that they can afford their own food. It isn't to provide universal health care so that their medical bills don't bankrupt them. It isn't to provide them with public education so that they can have a basis for success in life.

What is the Republican Libertarian Teabagger plan for getting millions of poor people off of food stamps and government assistance?

Oh that's easy.

Paris Hilton is right -

Fox is right -

Fox commentator tells poor people to 'stop being poor' - National World News | Examiner.com

This is an excellent bit of video but not suitable for the head-in-the-sand rw's.

So, bottom line is --

Just stop being poor.

And, remember when McCain told people to just get out there an get a 2nd job? He's right.

Just stop being poor.

Obama stated if you can't afford obamacare, get rid of cable or your cell phone. Obama wants everyone to suffer.

 

[Zoom-boing]

Does welfare make people lazy?

If it's used as a leg to stand on, rather than a leg up? Yes.

If it's generational? Yes.

If it's a temporary helping hand? No.

 

[rightwinger]

lol good one stupid. just experiment with people and move on after you ruin them. that's why they are called "projects"; you know, where countless young black males have died in violence?

Yep

That is the way things generally work out in life. You try things, evaluate how they turned out and adjust accordingly

except you are talking about failed Progressive ideology that killed hundreds of thousands of Black men, women and children in a cylce of despair and government dependence

Not really

If anything, it was the drug wars fueled by a ridiculously oppressive, conservative induced "War on Drugs" that made drugs more lucrative and put hundreds of thousands of black males in prison

 

[kaz]

Perhaps if Romney and his buddies would bring some jobs back to the US.

Perhaps if Democrats would stop screwing companies that do and asking them to sacrifice while the Democrats plunder.

No kidding, i love libtsrds thinking, hypocrats dont do it

The purpose of business is to serve the interest of government, you know. Not that the left hold Warren Buffett to that standard when he evades taxes by taking his pay as capital gains.

They are a do as they say, not as they do ideology, then they can't figure out why no one takes them seriously.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

I'm sorry...I just don't buy into the rightwing "The poor do not suffer enough"

Removing a safety net from struggling Americans does not induce them to go out and get jobs when there are no jobs to be gotten

And once again you ignore the elephant in the room, and talk about the mouse.
There is no safety net. Never was, never will be.
The multi-generational disastrous social "safety net" policies of the 60's-70's utterly destroyed millions of lives, and the black race is STILL reeling in the aftermath.
As someone said - welfare does not necessarily make people lazy, but overwhelming and undeniable historical evidence shows us - IT MAKES PEOPLE DEPENDENT.
That is not a safety net RW. That is a crutch. It ruins the lives and stifles opportunity for the very poor you want to help.
As the saying goes - you can help the helpless, but you can't help the hopeless.

I don't see your obsession with the failed social experiments of the 60s and 70s. Seemed like a good idea at the time...but we have moved on

Doesn't mean we should stop trying, only that we need a change of direction

Exactly!!! - You just made my point.
You ignore past problems, you ignore the monumental mistakes - and somehow think if you do it again there will be a different outcome.
And what again is the definition of insanity? - Oh yeah, I remember now - doing the same thing again expecting a different outcome.

 

[bedowin62]

Yep

That is the way things generally work out in life. You try things, evaluate how they turned out and adjust accordingly

except you are talking about failed Progressive ideology that killed hundreds of thousands of Black men, women and children in a cylce of despair and government dependence

Not really

If anything, it was the drug wars fueled by a ridiculously oppressive, conservative induced "War on Drugs" that made drugs more lucrative and put hundreds of thousands of black males in prison

lol you idiot; people in prisom cant kill people on the street so much.
and most people agreed with the "war on drugs"; drug use is bad leftard; why not make "war" on something that kills people.

and what should have been done with people who used guns and violence to peddle drugs on the street you idiot? give them a hug?

 

[Billo_Really]

"do not pay taxes at all"

LOL, so where do their profits go and why?
Offshore profits can only be HELD off shore IF THEIR earnings were offshore.
WELL DUH!!
End the capital gains taxes on those offshore profits and they COME BACK YESTERDAY.

And most all corporations that don't pay taxes do so because why?
They have distributed high dividends to STOCK HOLDERS.
And stock holders have to do what when they receive dividends?
PAY TAXES ON THOSE DIVIDENDS.
WELL DUH.

Go spend 8 years getting a BBA and a MBA and 35 years running and owning 3 corporations
and get back to us.
Because to date all you know about corporations is what someone else told you to repeat.

That depends on how they file the corporation.

Type S, don't. Type C, do. Or the other way around.

So let's just say you're half-right on that one.

 

[billyerock1991]

Does welfare make people lazy? - The Week

For some certainly,having seen generational welfare daily,a yes is correct.

this amazes me how people like you who stay uninformed about how welfare laws, theses days, you wouldn't have made such a ignorant statement like this one of yours ... you see, the maximum time a person can be on welfare, since Bill Clinton signed into law, the new regulations says that people on welfare can only be on welfare for a maximum of 5 years ... by you saying "having seen generational welfare daily", show us why you are ignorant about welfare...

 

[billyerock1991]

except you are talking about failed Progressive ideology that killed hundreds of thousands of Black men, women and children in a cylce of despair and government dependence

Not really

If anything, it was the drug wars fueled by a ridiculously oppressive, conservative induced "War on Drugs" that made drugs more lucrative and put hundreds of thousands of black males in prison

lol you idiot; people in prisom cant kill people on the street so much.
and most people agreed with the "war on drugs"; drug use is bad leftard; why not make "war" on something that kills people.

and what should have been done with people who used guns and violence to peddle drugs on the street you idiot? give them a hug?

rightwinger its hard to debate with stupid ... and as we can clearly see bedowin is stuck on stupid ... if you point out where they are wrong they go off in a different direction and argue with that piece of insanity

 

[martybegan]

Some people are shut out of attaining the standard by forces largely beyond their control. A lack of jobs for instance. You are automatically ascribing sinister motives and alternatives to honest people trapped in a market that no longer provides a ladder from poverty into the middle class. In fact, that market no longer provides a ladder up through the middle class.

The market does provide it, what it doesn't provide is an instant middle class existence without either 1) hard work or 2) an education. or 3) time. We are talking <10% unemployment here, not 30%. If you want to find A job you can find one, you just might not find THE job.

And making poor life decisions does not constitute "forces beyond your control"

The middle class jobs that USED to be here in the Rust Belt are gone, and gone forever. New jobs have not replaced the old middle class jobs. Once, one could graduate high school, get a job in a mill or pottery or refractory and be set. That individual could buy a house, a car, raise a family and have a little left over for retirement. But today, there are no longer those opportunities for a pathway to middle class contentment.

Flipping burgers, cleaning hotel rooms, cashiering at a convenience store are not the types of jobs necessary to sustain a vibrant middle class. And a vibrant middle class is necessary to sustain the American economy.

Holding two, three, four jobs and working 45, 50, 70 hours a week is not the way to build healthy families.

The path to the middle class is through education for some, and for others it is through hard work. You may have to do the entry level job for a bit to get something better, but there are construction, and yes, still manufacturing jobs available, just not as many of the type from 60 years ago. Also people who want to stay in retail/service have a path, they do their job right, and go to more affluent/expensive stores/service providers. Being a waitress /waiter at TGI Fridays sucks, but if you want to get good at it, you work your way up to trying to be a waiter/waitress at a high end resturant, or maybe you go to cullinary school and go into the kitchen.

And guess what? Unions had a big thing to do with that, when they priced american labor well out of the rest of the world for products anyone can produce like steel, or produce better like cars.

The american labor force needs to realize we have to change to products only we can make, or at least make that work. Also we need to realize we are competing with a global marketplace.

 

[dannyboys]

Who are these millions on welfare/food stamps/getting free housing/medical/dental/glasses/cloths/transportation? Who are they? Where do they live?
I'm referring to the vast majority................not the engineer who's company went broke and he was let go and it's going to take him a while to find another engineering job. This person is MOTIVATED! to continue living the lifestyle he/she has become accustomed to.
The vast majority of 'long term' unemployed/never had a job/never will have a job are those who were 'streamed' through a faux education system run by LIB union members who happen to called 'teachers' for some strange reason.
The (cough) education system has failed a couple of generations of kids most of whom aren't sure if a duck is a bird.
They live in areas where no one with a brain would EVER start any business unless they were running some sort of insurance scam where their losses from robberies meant they could claim tax benefits etc.
Yes welfare makes you lazy. Why wouldn't it?
When a single 'baby-mama' can recieve more money from the 'gubment' by staying home than working for minimum wage making fries somewhere across town who in their right mind wouldn't stay home. And that rational is taught to all her babies as they too face a life never knowing what the term 'pay cheque' means.

 

[DriftingSand]

What a dumbass question. Of course it does.

Why in hell would anyone want to go out and get a job when someone elses money is paying the bills??

Because it doesn't pay all the bills.

Why in hell would someone actually want to work for a living when a living is being provided for them??

Because its far below the standard of living.

Why in hell would someone want to get off the gravy train when someone else is pulling it for em??

Because that train has no gravy.

What about corporate welfare? Are you okay with giving rich people freebee's?

Where's your outrage there?

I don't mind giving corporations tax breaks as long as they're employing and insuring people who otherwise wouldn't have a job or insurance. If we run corporations out of business then the welfare lines are sure to expand exponentially. Plus, the taxes that many corporations DO pay greatly help the infrastructure of the cities and states in which they exist.

 

[rightwinger]

except you are talking about failed Progressive ideology that killed hundreds of thousands of Black men, women and children in a cylce of despair and government dependence

Not really

If anything, it was the drug wars fueled by a ridiculously oppressive, conservative induced "War on Drugs" that made drugs more lucrative and put hundreds of thousands of black males in prison

lol you idiot; people in prisom cant kill people on the street so much.
and most people agreed with the "war on drugs"; drug use is bad leftard; why not make "war" on something that kills people.

and what should have been done with people who used guns and violence to peddle drugs on the street you idiot? give them a hug?

I like you

You have only been on the board a few weeks and are trying to bluff your way through with this "Kick some Liberal ass" Internet tough guy act.

But you are really easy to refute and don't really have anything to offer behind your rude tough guy act. We have seen dozens like you who have tried the same routine. It usually doesn't last long. You either clean up your act or shoot your wad and move on

I wish you luck

 

[rightwinger]

And once again you ignore the elephant in the room, and talk about the mouse.
There is no safety net. Never was, never will be.
The multi-generational disastrous social "safety net" policies of the 60's-70's utterly destroyed millions of lives, and the black race is STILL reeling in the aftermath.
As someone said - welfare does not necessarily make people lazy, but overwhelming and undeniable historical evidence shows us - IT MAKES PEOPLE DEPENDENT.
That is not a safety net RW. That is a crutch. It ruins the lives and stifles opportunity for the very poor you want to help.
As the saying goes - you can help the helpless, but you can't help the hopeless.

I don't see your obsession with the failed social experiments of the 60s and 70s. Seemed like a good idea at the time...but we have moved on

Doesn't mean we should stop trying, only that we need a change of direction

Exactly!!! - You just made my point.
You ignore past problems, you ignore the monumental mistakes - and somehow think if you do it again there will be a different outcome.
And what again is the definition of insanity? - Oh yeah, I remember now - doing the same thing again expecting a different outcome.

So....what is your proposed path forward?

 

[ClosedCaption]

Does welfare make people lazy? - The Week

For some certainly,having seen generational welfare daily,a yes is correct.

this amazes me how people like you who stay uninformed about how welfare laws, theses days, you wouldn't have made such a ignorant statement like this one of yours ... you see, the maximum time a person can be on welfare, since Bill Clinton signed into law, the new regulations says that people on welfare can only be on welfare for a maximum of 5 years ... by you saying "having seen generational welfare daily", show us why you are ignorant about welfare...

Thats the rub.

Republicans are against welfare for reasons that dont exist. Its like being mad that flying pigs shit on your car so lets get rid of pigs altogether. Except pigs dont fly.

That doesnt matter...Chickenwing said he sees it all the time and by golly thats good enough

 

[editec]

HIPELESSNESS makes people (appear) lazy.

And MOST people on Welfare today are pretty damned hopeless.

Seriously they are probably for one reason or the other really NOT VIABLE economically.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Does welfare make people lazy? - The Week

For some certainly,having seen generational welfare daily,a yes is correct.

this amazes me how people like you who stay uninformed about how welfare laws, theses days, you wouldn't have made such a ignorant statement like this one of yours ... you see, the maximum time a person can be on welfare, since Bill Clinton signed into law, the new regulations says that people on welfare can only be on welfare for a maximum of 5 years ... by you saying "having seen generational welfare daily", show us why you are ignorant about welfare...

Nay, you are showing your own ignorance.
The Obama admin has already declared the work requirement void. As well as seeks to "relax" the 5 year limit.
Again - the definition of insanity is to repeat the same act, expecting a different outcome.

 

[ClosedCaption]

For some certainly,having seen generational welfare daily,a yes is correct.

this amazes me how people like you who stay uninformed about how welfare laws, theses days, you wouldn't have made such a ignorant statement like this one of yours ... you see, the maximum time a person can be on welfare, since Bill Clinton signed into law, the new regulations says that people on welfare can only be on welfare for a maximum of 5 years ... by you saying "having seen generational welfare daily", show us why you are ignorant about welfare...

Nay, you are showing your own ignorance.
The Obama admin has already declared the work requirement void. As well as seeks to "relax" the 5 year limit.
Again - the definition of insanity is to repeat the same act, expecting a different outcome.

So generations have been on welfare despite not being able to do that since the 90's?

This is amazing.

 

[hangover]

Does welfare make people lazy?

You can't blame welfare. There are plenty of people with money and jobs that are lazy. Have you never seen a lazy person where you work? Do you work, or just post on these forums all day?

 

[dannyboys]

The vast majority of long term/permanently unemployed get extra money some how. The term for it is 'the grey economy'. This economy involves millions of people who never report a dime to the tax man.
It's estimated that the US has about 2 trillion bucks a years moving around where Bobo and co. can't get their dirty mitts on it.