Does the Constitution really give us inalienable rights that cannot be taken away?

[Skylar]

Because our rights are inalienable, they can be neither bestowed nor taken by any government, constitution, or man.

Although inalienable, our rights are not absolute – they’re subject to limits and restrictions by government consistent with Constitutional case law.

Laws and measures that limit or restrict a right consistent with the Constitution do not ‘take away’ one’s rights.

George Takei would disagree with you.

Oh, unalienable rights can certainly be violated. But the concept of natural law is that they still exist even if violated. And exist autonomous of a government 'granting' such rights.

The obvious flaws in the 'natural rights' theory were demonstrated by the man who wrote of 'unalienable' rights in our own founding documents: Slave owners.

A mouse could starve on the difference between possessing an inalienable right that is being violated and not possessing the inalienable right to begin with.

 

[Skylar]

The courts are corrupt, and compromised. You have no rights. They can, have, and will take everything away from you. Not one Amendment in those first ten has not been widdled down to nothing.
You have no rights. You are a slave.

We have far greater rights today than Americans did under the founders. Women can vote, black folks aren't slaves, the Bill of Rights applies to the States.

We've helped perfect the deeply flawed constitution of the founders and in turn expand the rights and freedoms of our citizens.

 

[Gabe Lackmann]

The courts are corrupt, and compromised. You have no rights. They can, have, and will take everything away from you. Not one Amendment in those first ten has not been widdled down to nothing.
You have no rights. You are a slave.

We have far greater rights today than Americans did under the founders. Women can vote, black folks aren't slaves, the Bill of Rights applies to the States.

We've helped perfect the deeply flawed constitution of the founders and in turn expand the rights and freedoms of our citizens.

Oh bless your heart. You are a modern one aren't you?

What about the Patriot Act? The War on Drugs? You don't think those have eroded at least the First, and Fourth Amendments? You know they can collect data, spy, take you into custody, and hold you indefinitely without a court hearing...right? That violates about three of the first ten.
What about the War on Drugs and asset forfeiture? If they detain you(pull you over), they can seize your cash for whatever reason they choose. If they find any amount of drugs in your house, or car, they can seize that property as well. If you phone is open, they can seize that and search through it...to include calling contacts.
They can silence your speech under the guise of national security. They do it all of the time. That's the First Amendment.
During covid they openly and actively closed churches, businesses, limited public gatherings, and travel.

You cannot possibly be serious. You cannot tell me that the a citizen today, and a citizen in 1800 share the same level of freedom.

 

[Skylar]

The courts are corrupt, and compromised. You have no rights. They can, have, and will take everything away from you. Not one Amendment in those first ten has not been widdled down to nothing.
You have no rights. You are a slave.

We have far greater rights today than Americans did under the founders. Women can vote, black folks aren't slaves, the Bill of Rights applies to the States.

We've helped perfect the deeply flawed constitution of the founders and in turn expand the rights and freedoms of our citizens.

Oh bless your heart. You are a modern one aren't you?

What about the Patriot Act? The War on Drugs? You don't think those have eroded at least the First, and Fourth Amendments? You know they can collect data, spy, take you into custody, and hold you indefinitely without a court hearing...right? That violates about three of the first ten.
What about the War on Drugs and asset forfeiture? If they detain you(pull you over), they can seize your cash for whatever reason they choose. If they find any amount of drugs in your house, or car, they can seize that property as well.
They can silence your speech under the guise of national security. They do it all of the time. That's the First Amendment.

You cannot possibly be serious. You cannot tell me that the a citizen today, and a citizen in 1800 share the same level of freedom.

How about interracial marriage bans? Only land owners get to vote? Execution for homosexuality? The ownership, enslavement, torture or mutilation of tens of millions of people? Rampant violations of rights of the people by the States....which were completely unencumbered by the Bill of Rights? Women being forbidden from voting?

The freedoms we as a society possess now are vastly superior to those enjoyed by the the people during the era of the founders under their deeply flawed constitution. We've fixed many of their most egregious mistakes and liberty destroying flaws

 

[dblack]

We all seem to think our constitutional rights are etched in stone and cannot be violated. In fact they are at the whim of politicians who can justify taking them away with a stroke of the pen. George Carlin had an opinion on that..you think your rights are inviolate. He said if you do just go to Wikipedia and in the search box type in..Japanese-Americans 1942

Hardly anyone understands this, which is really unfortunate. Inalienable rights are inherent capabilities of human beings - essentially, what they're talking about is free will. No one gives that to you - it's something you're born with. And, short of killing you, it can't be taken from you. It can be violated, of course, by the state or by others. But as long as you are alive and conscious, and no one else is interfering with you, you have inalienable free will.

The point they were making was that basic freedom is the default state of every human. And that we create government, not to give us that freedom (we already have it), but to protect us from those who would violate it.

 

[Gabe Lackmann]

The courts are corrupt, and compromised. You have no rights. They can, have, and will take everything away from you. Not one Amendment in those first ten has not been widdled down to nothing.
You have no rights. You are a slave.

We have far greater rights today than Americans did under the founders. Women can vote, black folks aren't slaves, the Bill of Rights applies to the States.

We've helped perfect the deeply flawed constitution of the founders and in turn expand the rights and freedoms of our citizens.

Oh bless your heart. You are a modern one aren't you?

What about the Patriot Act? The War on Drugs? You don't think those have eroded at least the First, and Fourth Amendments? You know they can collect data, spy, take you into custody, and hold you indefinitely without a court hearing...right? That violates about three of the first ten.
What about the War on Drugs and asset forfeiture? If they detain you(pull you over), they can seize your cash for whatever reason they choose. If they find any amount of drugs in your house, or car, they can seize that property as well.
They can silence your speech under the guise of national security. They do it all of the time. That's the First Amendment.

You cannot possibly be serious. You cannot tell me that the a citizen today, and a citizen in 1800 share the same level of freedom.

How about interracial marriage bans? Only land owners get to vote? Execution for homosexuality? The ownership, enslavement, torture or mutilation of tens of millions of people? Rampant violations of rights of the people by the States....which were completely unencumbered by the Bill of Rights? Women being forbidden from voting?

The freedoms we as a society possess now are vastly superior to those enjoyed by the the people during the era of the founders under their deeply flawed constitution. We've fixed many of their most egregious mistakes and liberty destroying flaws

So in your logic, I can let you join the club by placing new shackles on your limbs. Great thinker. My right to a speedy and fair trial. My right to travel openly and freely. My right to practice my religion as I see fit...ARE paramount. To me.
No offense to the down trodden blacks, gays, and women...but guess what? All of those groups who you claim have gained so many freedoms are now in the same boat...because they have been robbed as well. Congrats...you're free...not really.
We have a massive government overreach. To claim that this country is freer because a couple of groups have gained some rights is simplistic.

 

[emilynghiem]

We all seem to think our constitutional rights are etched in stone and cannot be violated. In fact they are at the whim of politicians who can justify taking them away with a stroke of the pen. George Carlin had an opinion on that..you think your rights are inviolate. He said if you do just go to Wikipedia and in the search box type in..Japanese-Americans 1942

The way Natural Laws work is you get the justice you give. The People set up agreements WITH EACH OTHER as to what the Rule of Law will be, such as was done by adding the Bill of Rights to the Constitution. This works as a mutually binding contract, where people agree to follow the same laws.

It falls apart where people don't agree to respect each other's equal rights and protections under the law.

 

[Colin norris]

Batcat
Same old election loss crap. Grow up. It's over and you.lost.

 

[Batcat]

Batcat
Same old election loss crap. Grow up. It's over and you.lost.

Did you bitch at people who said Trump colluded with Putin and therefore won the Presidential Election and prevented Hillary from being our first female President?

 

[Colin norris]

Batcat
No. Did you?

 

[Batcat]

No. Did you?

Yes.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

We all seem to think our constitutional rights are etched in stone and cannot be violated. In fact they are at the whim of politicians who can justify taking them away with a stroke of the pen. George Carlin had an opinion on that..you think your rights are inviolate. He said if you do just go to Wikipedia and in the search box type in..Japanese-Americans 1942

You must be right, Brah.

The sooner we can get rid of that troublesome doctrine, the sooner you can criminalize anything that opposes your agenda.

 

[dblack]

We all seem to think our constitutional rights are etched in stone and cannot be violated. In fact they are at the whim of politicians who can justify taking them away with a stroke of the pen. George Carlin had an opinion on that..you think your rights are inviolate. He said if you do just go to Wikipedia and in the search box type in..Japanese-Americans 1942

You must be right, Brah.

The sooner we can get rid of that troublesome doctrine, the sooner you can criminalize anything that opposes your agenda.

And then liberal democracy will be UNSTOPPABLE!!!!! Muhahaha!!!

 

[Esdraelon]

We all seem to think our constitutional rights are etched in stone and cannot be violated. In fact they are at the whim of politicians who can justify taking them away with a stroke of the pen. George Carlin had an opinion on that..you think your rights are inviolate. He said if you do just go to Wikipedia and in the search box type in..Japanese-Americans 1942

Indeed. That's why the fascists in our government want to disarm us.

Gun control is not disarmament...it's gun requlation.

You want gun regulations but are against voter regulations, why?

Don't have a problem with voter regulations, but do with voter suppression tactics..slight difference.

Do you agree that voters shouldn't have to request ballots by mail? How do you feel about the idea of all voters having to prove their identity before their vote is counted?

 

[danielpalos]

The logic of unalienable rights is that they are unalienable. They wouldn't need to be 'given' by a constitution. Which is why they were cited by the founders before there was a constitution.

Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual.

Thomas Jefferson

 

[danielpalos]

The courts are corrupt, and compromised. You have no rights. They can, have, and will take everything away from you. Not one Amendment in those first ten has not been widdled down to nothing.
You have no rights. You are a slave.

Only because (mostly) right-wingers are so clueless and Causeless. UnConstitutional laws need to be challenged. In my opinion, attorneys (on AVVO) are just as guilty if not more guilty for censoring Constitutional questions like overpaid Process Services than they are at thoughtful "dissertations" like doctors at law concerning rational reasoning of Constitutional law.

 

[Gabe Lackmann]

Only because (mostly) right-wingers are so clueless and Causeless. UnConstitutional laws need to be challenged. In my opinion, attorneys (on AVVO) are just as guilty if not more guilty for censoring Constitutional questions like overpaid Process Services than they are at thoughtful "dissertations" like doctors at law concerning rational reasoning of Constitutional law.

The fuck with your left side right side faggotry. Don't bring those bullshit lies to me man.

 

[danielpalos]

The fuck with your left side right side faggotry. Don't bring those bullshit lies to me man.

lol. You would not understand the "gospel Truth" if someone tried to argue it with you.

 

[Gabe Lackmann]

lol. You would not understand the "gospel Truth" if someone tried to argue it with you.

go fuck yourself dont talk to me.

 

[danielpalos]

go fuck yourself dont talk to me.

You first, right-winger.