Does it bother you that our entire government is based on forcing people via gunpoint

[JakeStarkey]

Jake tell me some characteristics of an oppressive government.

So you are an anarchist. Got it. If you have trouble with American governments, either get involved to change them, abide by them, or leave.

You have no moral or ethical justification for breaking the law when you have had due process. If you have not, then tell us about it.

 

[bripat9643]

Jake tell me some characteristics of an oppressive government.

So you are an anarchist. Got it. If you have trouble with American governments, either get involved to change them, abide by them, or leave.

You have no moral or ethical justification for breaking the law when you have had due process. If you have not, then tell us about it.

I see you couldn't name any characteristics of an oppressive government. Hardly surprising since you were just caught heaping praise on Communist Cuba and posting propaganda from its official organs in this forum.

 

[LibertyLemming]

Jake tell me some characteristics of an oppressive government.

So you are an anarchist. Got it. If you have trouble with American governments, either get involved to change them, abide by them, or leave.

You have no moral or ethical justification for breaking the law when you have had due process. If you have not, then tell us about it.

What about the guy who got assassinated without due process? Kidding, I know you don't care I've heard you say it.

 

[M14 Shooter]

So you're NOT going to use Social Security when you are retired? So you're AGAINST corporations out-sourcing? So when companies and corporations downsize, all those people are just suppose to what? Join the army (if they're capable)? Become migrant workers or indentured servants? Just leave the country? Just commit ritual suicide?

Do you base your statement on what's been going on in this country in the last 30 years, or do you just parrot slogans and mantras from the right wing?

You asked for an example of what the government has forced me to do "at gunpoint" that is against my moral/social/economic values.
I gave one.

So you've never been unemployed? And you're never going to grow old and retire? Newsflash for you: Enron, the S&L scandal, the Wall St. debacle of late.....these affected people just like you who did all the right things, invested wisely, etc....and got SCREWED. So again, what's your answer? Or are you just going to continue to blow smoke?

You asked for an example of what the government has forced me to do "at gunpoint" that is against my moral/social/economic values.
I gave one.

 

[rightwinger]

Jake tell me some characteristics of an oppressive government.

A government that makes people get healthcare

The bastards!

 

[bripat9643]

Jake tell me some characteristics of an oppressive government.

A government that makes people get healthcare

The bastards!

Yes, that is oppressive.

 

[rightwinger]

Jake tell me some characteristics of an oppressive government.

A government that makes people get healthcare

The bastards!

Yes, that is oppressive.

I can beat that..

Can you imagine a government that let's gay marriage have the same legal standing as yours?

The Bastards!

 

[LibertyLemming]

A government that makes people get healthcare

The bastards!

Yes, that is oppressive.

I can beat that..

Can you imagine a government that let's gay marriage have the same legal standing as yours?

The Bastards!

How bout one that can and has indefinitely locked up citizens in cages/killed them without due process?

 

[JakeStarkey]

Jake tell me some characteristics of an oppressive government.

So you are an anarchist. Got it. If you have trouble with American governments, either get involved to change them, abide by them, or leave.

You have no moral or ethical justification for breaking the law when you have had due process. If you have not, then tell us about it.

What about the guy who got assassinated without due process? Kidding, I know you don't care I've heard you say it.

I do care about due process. When one is avowedly at war with the country, is a danger to his fellow citizens, has placed himself outside of due process willingly and voluntarily and knowingly, he is subject to the Law of War.

If you are cheer leading for our enemies, LL, then that makes you an enemy of all that is decent with America. No two ways about it.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Jake tell me some characteristics of an oppressive government.

A government that makes people get healthcare
The bastards!

Yes, that is oppressive.

Liberals are only interested in protecting the choices that they think people should make.

 

[bucs90]

34 views and zero replies. I guess it doesn't bother people. Maybe because the gun isn't actually in your face

No, because there is no ‘gun.’

You could be just some weird troll trying to get a rise out of people.

Otherwise you post like an ignorant, naïve libertarian, who perceives all government as ‘bad.’

I don't know that all government is bad, but government is force and force is the opposite of freedom. Not saying that all freedoms are good either. Morality is the issue and I don't think forcing people to do things at gunpoint, which is where you will find yourself if you resist any of the government's orders, is not a good start to being a moral society.

Ok. Lets take this slowly.

The 2nd amendment allows US citizens to bear firearms.

Many who want to commit murder, rape, child porn, theft, etc, own guns.

Our government (aka, the people) pass laws banning the above acts, and have men (cops) to stop them from doing so, and, capture those who do it anyway.


Now, how would you suggest...without a gun...that they enforce the laws of this land on people who are violent criminals and who own guns themselves?

It seems you want the cops to abide by the very atrocity that the 2nd amendment advocates rally against: The thought of facing a violent person with a gun while you dont have one yourself.

If the cops are gonna enforce our rules on an armed society, then they too must be armed. Otherwise...how can they enforce laws?

 

[JakeStarkey]

If ever there were conclusive arguments prohibiting anarcho-libertarianism, they are on this page.

 

[bucs90]

Yes, the argument against extreme libertarianism are indeed clear here.

If you have a society that has the right to be armed, AND you want to have a set of good laws for that society, it is impossible then to not have an armed police force to enforce the rules that the armed society lives by.

 

[Darkwind]

So you're NOT going to use Social Security when you are retired?

If government didn't take it, I would be better off investing it Myself.

So you're AGAINST corporations out-sourcing? So when companies and corporations downsize, all those people are just suppose to what? Join the army (if they're capable)? Become migrant workers or indentured servants? Just leave the country? Just commit ritual suicide?

What? Government doesn't hold a gun to your head when companies outsource, downsize. In fact, this entire paragraph is a non-sequeter.

Do you base your statement on what's been going on in this country in the last 30 years, or do you just parrot slogans and mantras from the right wing?

Did you understand the discussion and premise at all?

 

[Darkwind]

No, because there is no ‘gun.’

You could be just some weird troll trying to get a rise out of people.

Otherwise you post like an ignorant, naïve libertarian, who perceives all government as ‘bad.’

I don't know that all government is bad, but government is force and force is the opposite of freedom. Not saying that all freedoms are good either. Morality is the issue and I don't think forcing people to do things at gunpoint, which is where you will find yourself if you resist any of the government's orders, is not a good start to being a moral society.

Ok. Lets take this slowly.

The 2nd amendment allows US citizens to bear firearms.

Many who want to commit murder, rape, child porn, theft, etc, own guns.

Our government (aka, the people) pass laws banning the above acts, and have men (cops) to stop them from doing so, and, capture those who do it anyway.


Now, how would you suggest...without a gun...that they enforce the laws of this land on people who are violent criminals and who own guns themselves?

It seems you want the cops to abide by the very atrocity that the 2nd amendment advocates rally against: The thought of facing a violent person with a gun while you dont have one yourself.

If the cops are gonna enforce our rules on an armed society, then they too must be armed. Otherwise...how can they enforce laws?

This entire post is a drug induced lie.

Where do you get off saying that many gun owners are murders, rapists, child pornographers?

your proof, and make it quick. This slander won't go unanswered.

 

[skookerasbil]

We had a society without a government , or at least one that was present.

Google "shootout at the OK corral"
"Cole Younger"
"John Wesley Hardin"
"New Mexico regulators"

any of the above search terms will provide information that shows a glimpse of what anarchy looks like

Are you high? There was government when that shit happened lol. The OK Corral was a shootout between cowboys and LAWMEN lol.

EDIT: Even if there were not, what would your point be? That without government exerting force on people there would be shootouts? You realize we still have shootouts, right?

Not in the world of the limpwristers...........going to Chicago these days is like a trip to Disney!!!


Stuff Black People Don't Like - SBPDL: Guns Don't Kill People; Dangerous Minorities Do -- The Chicago Edition

 

[uscitizen]

I feel it is quite unjust and immoral to force people at gunpoint to follow any agenda, no matter how well intentioned or successful it may or may not be.

Our country was founded on gunfire and killing so what should we expect?

 

[JoeB131]

34 views and zero replies. I guess it doesn't bother people. Maybe because the gun isn't actually in your face

Probably because in 50 years, the only time anyone pointed a gun at me was when I was in teh army, and then it was loaded with blanks...

Now, libertarians think they are "oppressed" when teh rest of us agree to a law or something, but you're really not.

 

[taichiliberal]

So you're NOT going to use Social Security when you are retired?

If government didn't take it, I would be better off investing it Myself.

You're whistling in the Dark, bunky....because if the GOP had it's way and folk like you had your retirement invested on Wall St. in the last 20 years or so, YOUR retirement would be GONE! A matter of fact and history folk like you seem to be in denial of.

So you're AGAINST corporations out-sourcing? So when companies and corporations downsize, all those people are just suppose to what? Join the army (if they're capable)? Become migrant workers or indentured servants? Just leave the country? Just commit ritual suicide?

What? Government doesn't hold a gun to your head when companies outsource, downsize. In fact, this entire paragraph is a non-sequeter.

WTF are you babbling about? I asked the other idiot if he's AGAINST corporate out-sourcing, because if he's NOT, then what are people to do. Note that currently corps get TAX BREAKS to outsource. YOU and I pay for that....so the metaphorical gun is forcing YOU to pay for the company that fired YOU to outsource. Got that bunky? Because I don't hear you or the other fool bitching about that.

Do you base your statement on what's been going on in this country in the last 30 years, or do you just parrot slogans and mantras from the right wing?

Did you understand the discussion and premise at all?

Yes, but evidently you don't...either that or you're just being stubborn to the point of insipidness.

 

[taichiliberal]

You asked for an example of what the government has forced me to do "at gunpoint" that is against my moral/social/economic values.
I gave one.

So you've never been unemployed? And you're never going to grow old and retire? Newsflash for you: Enron, the S&L scandal, the Wall St. debacle of late.....these affected people just like you who did all the right things, invested wisely, etc....and got SCREWED. So again, what's your answer? Or are you just going to continue to blow smoke?

You asked for an example of what the government has forced me to do "at gunpoint" that is against my moral/social/economic values.
I gave one.

See folks, once you take this right wing blow hards to task introduce FACTS and the logic derived from them, they just deteriorate into mindless parrots. Unless this clown learns to shoot straight and honestly debate, I'll just leave him to his squawkings.