CDZ Does it bother anyone else

[Pete7469]

Honestly these days I have more respect for older people by default than younger ones.

That of course changes once they open their mouths.

In my opinion older people are supposed to have wisdom.

Democrook political whores may have "wisdom", but if they're aware of what they're doing they're sociopaths and traitors.

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[JoeMoma]

The longer a politician holds office, the more favors he owes the people that financed his way into office.

 

[sartre play]

Set in stone old thinking and pocket lining politicians, I would like to see some new faces.

 

[dblack]

that we have 12 senators over the age of 80 holding office?

List of current United States Senators by age - Infogalactic: the planetary knowledge core

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23 over the age of 75?

38 over the age of 70?

Obviously, with those numbers, there will never be a bill passed for forced retirement at the age of 70, or 75.

Do you think there should be?

It doesn't bother me. What bothers me is that we have so many crappy, corrupt senators. Don't much care how old they are.

The only reason we have so many crappy and corrupt senators is because they were able to entrench themselves into that job, and instead of doing what the people want, they simply do enough so that they can hold on to the job. Term limits would solve quite a bit of that, because it takes time to figure out how the job works, who can help and who can't, and that needs at least 2 terms to figure out.

Term limits would do as much harm as good. Ranked choice voting and proper enforcement of the Constitution would do the trick.

 

[Auld Phart]

If it bothered enough people, they wouldn't be in office

You know better than that.

Strom and Byrd are examples of past their prime senators

And the only reason they kept being reelected was because of name recognition, and the fact that most people are too lazy to check the credentials and policies of a brand new candidate. If we could get people to be enthusiastic about voting and actually review the candidates on the ballot, we'd probably have a better government. Unfortunately, most nowadays don't do that, which is one of the main reasons the incumbents get reelected. Name recognition, and one or two good bills/term are usually enough to get a person reelected. Unless of course, they do something stupid while in office, get caught, and then the people vote them out because they are upset.

Totally agree.

Not so sure about the 30 and out, like we faced in the military.
If they don't assume office til their mid 50s, that would put them in their mid 80s.

Think they should be playing with the grandkids by that age, personally.

Okay, then instead of term limits, we put an age limit on how long a person can serve. And, to tell you the truth, setting it at about 70 or 75 would work pretty well for me. Most people I know who are 75 or younger still have it pretty well together and are healthy. Go much above that, and health and mental issues start to surface in most people. And yeah, one could argue that some people stay healthy and alert way into their 80, but those are the exception, not the rule. Kick them out and send them home at 75 years. If they turn 75 during their term, they could feasibly serve until 81, but that should be it for them.

Basically what I already stated.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Honestly these days I have more respect for older people by default than younger ones.

That of course changes once they open their mouths.

In my opinion older people are supposed to have wisdom.

Democrook political whores may have "wisdom", but if they're aware of what they're doing they're sociopaths and traitors.

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Older people usually do have wisdom, but that is because they have a lot of experience. However, older people also have entrenched ideas that they aren't willing to change very often, because those are the things they lived with most of their life. I remember that when the Navy started to integrate women onto ships that serve in combat zones, there were a LOT of people at the E7 and above ranks who thought it was a bad idea, and that women shouldn't serve in combat. Now, thankfully, that idea has changed, because a lot of the old timers are now retired.

 

[Jarlaxle]

that we have 12 senators over the age of 80 holding office?

List of current United States Senators by age - Infogalactic: the planetary knowledge core

infogalactic.com

23 over the age of 75?

38 over the age of 70?

Obviously, with those numbers, there will never be a bill passed for forced retirement at the age of 70, or 75.

Do you think there should be?

It wouldn't matter, because the courts would broom it...you would need a Constitutional amendment.

 

[Papageorgio]

that we have 12 senators over the age of 80 holding office?

List of current United States Senators by age - Infogalactic: the planetary knowledge core

infogalactic.com

23 over the age of 75?

38 over the age of 70?

Obviously, with those numbers, there will never be a bill passed for forced retirement at the age of 70, or 75.

Do you think there should be?

The retirement age isn't the issue for me, it is lifetime politicians. I am all for term limits.

 

[Jarlaxle]

You know, I could go for term limits for both Senators and Representatives. Give them both the same thing as the military, you can retire after 20 years of service, but are forced out at 30 with retirement benefits. Why do I say this? Because after being in office 20 to 30 years, a person can become locked into their thinking and won't be willing to accept new ideas from the younger crowd. Saw it in the form of CPO's who were unwilling to accept changes to the Navy when they happened, even though some of the changes were good ones. In the military you are eligible to retire at 20, but mandatory retirement (unless you have a critical specialty), is at 30 years of service.

And, considering that the age you can become a Senator or Representative is 35, with 30 years of service, that would put them at mandatory retirement at 65 (if they were elected young), which is a good age to put a representative out to pasture. Most would end up retiring at 70 to 80 years of age.

8 year combined lifetime limit in all Federal elected offices. No more professional politicians.

 

[danielpalos]

that we have 12 senators over the age of 80 holding office?

List of current United States Senators by age - Infogalactic: the planetary knowledge core

infogalactic.com

23 over the age of 75?

38 over the age of 70?

Obviously, with those numbers, there will never be a bill passed for forced retirement at the age of 70, or 75.

Do you think there should be?

No. Older and wiser is what we should expect from our senior elders.

 

[Auld Phart]

You know, I could go for term limits for both Senators and Representatives. Give them both the same thing as the military, you can retire after 20 years of service, but are forced out at 30 with retirement benefits. Why do I say this? Because after being in office 20 to 30 years, a person can become locked into their thinking and won't be willing to accept new ideas from the younger crowd. Saw it in the form of CPO's who were unwilling to accept changes to the Navy when they happened, even though some of the changes were good ones. In the military you are eligible to retire at 20, but mandatory retirement (unless you have a critical specialty), is at 30 years of service.

And, considering that the age you can become a Senator or Representative is 35, with 30 years of service, that would put them at mandatory retirement at 65 (if they were elected young), which is a good age to put a representative out to pasture. Most would end up retiring at 70 to 80 years of age.

8 year combined lifetime limit in all Federal elected offices. No more professional politicians.

8 years barely gives them time to learn the job.

 

[Jarlaxle]

If it bothered enough people, they wouldn't be in office

You know better than that.

Strom and Byrd are examples of past their prime senators

Pell.
Ted Kennedy.
Inouye.
Hatch.
Leahy.
Grassley.
Stevens.
Levin.
Biden.

 

[Jarlaxle]

8 years barely gives them time to learn the job.

The downside being?

 

[Papageorgio]

that we have 12 senators over the age of 80 holding office?

List of current United States Senators by age - Infogalactic: the planetary knowledge core

infogalactic.com

23 over the age of 75?

38 over the age of 70?

Obviously, with those numbers, there will never be a bill passed for forced retirement at the age of 70, or 75.

Do you think there should be?

No. Older and wiser is what we should expect from our senior elders.

You must be 12 then.

 

[Auld Phart]

If it bothered enough people, they wouldn't be in office

You know better than that.

Strom and Byrd are examples of past their prime senators

Pell.
Ted Kennedy.
Inouye.
Hatch.
Leahy.
Grassley.
Stevens.
Levin.
Biden.

No Republicans?

 

[Oddball]

that we have 12 senators over the age of 80 holding office?

List of current United States Senators by age - Infogalactic: the planetary knowledge core

infogalactic.com

23 over the age of 75?

38 over the age of 70?

Obviously, with those numbers, there will never be a bill passed for forced retirement at the age of 70, or 75.

Do you think there should be?

Repeal the 17th Amendment....Problem solves itself.

 

[ABikerSailor]

that we have 12 senators over the age of 80 holding office?

List of current United States Senators by age - Infogalactic: the planetary knowledge core

infogalactic.com

23 over the age of 75?

38 over the age of 70?

Obviously, with those numbers, there will never be a bill passed for forced retirement at the age of 70, or 75.

Do you think there should be?

No. Older and wiser is what we should expect from our senior elders.

That is what we should expect, but trouble is, the times change rather quickly, and new things are constantly happening and coming up. Granted, being older means that you have more experience, but it doesn't always mean that you're right, because most times, you have learned habits that you aren't necessarily willing to break or change. Like I said, when the Navy first started to integrate women into combat units, there were a LOT of people at the E-7 and above ranks who were against it, and quite outspoken about it as well. When all those people finally left or retired, the new blood moved in, and now, women on combat units is a regular thing. Shoot, there are even lots of female fighter pilots out there now.

 

[Oddball]

Much as I hate to have this applied to those I don't like, I believe in the democratic selection of politicians. That is to say, if the voters of the relevant district want a candidate for a particular office, the will of the voters should be upheld, even if the candidate is old, stupid, or a Democrat (pardon the redundancy).

I find no compelling argument to the contrary. Often partisans of one party point to geezers in another party, saying "we need to have term limits" or "we need to have a mandatory retirement age." But they turn a blind eye to the geezers in their own party. That seems stupid to me.

Also, I am a believer in the general proposition that older people are more likely to be WISE than younger people. And that is a good thing.

Older people in general?... Yes.

Older people who have been steeped in the corrupt District of Criminals for three decades and more?...Not a chance.

 

[Auld Phart]

If it bothered enough people, they wouldn't be in office

You know better than that.

Strom and Byrd are examples of past their prime senators

Pell.
Ted Kennedy.
Inouye.
Hatch.
Leahy.
Grassley.
Stevens.
Levin.
Biden.

No Republicans?

just checked...

8 of the 12 over the age of 80 are Republicans.

Are they somehow more cognizant than their peers across the aisle?

 

[ABikerSailor]

You know, I could go for term limits for both Senators and Representatives. Give them both the same thing as the military, you can retire after 20 years of service, but are forced out at 30 with retirement benefits. Why do I say this? Because after being in office 20 to 30 years, a person can become locked into their thinking and won't be willing to accept new ideas from the younger crowd. Saw it in the form of CPO's who were unwilling to accept changes to the Navy when they happened, even though some of the changes were good ones. In the military you are eligible to retire at 20, but mandatory retirement (unless you have a critical specialty), is at 30 years of service.

And, considering that the age you can become a Senator or Representative is 35, with 30 years of service, that would put them at mandatory retirement at 65 (if they were elected young), which is a good age to put a representative out to pasture. Most would end up retiring at 70 to 80 years of age.

8 year combined lifetime limit in all Federal elected offices. No more professional politicians.

8 years barely gives them time to learn the job.

8 years is more than long enough to learn how to do that job. Shoot, when I transferred to a new command, I had only 6 months or less to figure everything out. And, it wasn't always at a command where I was doing the same thing I did at the command before. When I went to run the Navy office at MEPS Amarillo, I had to forget all the stuff I knew about being on regular duty, and learn all the manuals and procedures for properly enlisting people in the military. Yes, MEPS procedures and paperwork are much different than those for people on active duty. And, I managed to learn the whole job, as well as become Head Classifier in less than 4 months, even though none of the manuals I used for MEPS were anything like what I did in the Fleet.