Does Iran Want War?

[Gunny]

Which has what to do with the United States?

Trying to play games, huh?

You know as well as I do that Hezbollah is dedicated to eradicating Israel and Israel is a US ally. THAT is what is has to do with the US.

 

[GotZoom]

Trying to play games, huh?

You know as well as I do that Hezbollah is dedicated to eradicating Israel and Israel is a US ally. THAT is what is has to do with the US.

And we don't even need to make a list of terrorist attacks against the United States that Hezbollah has claimed responsibility for.

I know of one in particular...first hand.

 

[Gunny]

Yeah, but why blow it off the map? I don't understand the rationale? There are literally 10s of millions of Iranians who do not have any time for their current admin, plus I don't see them as any type of world threat. Hell, I don't even see them as a regional threat. They have invaded nobody, have no intention of doing so, and in fact rarely step outside of their borders. You are right re Hizbollah, but that is an ME problem, not a United States problem. None of America's business IMO...

Those tens of millions of Iranians who don't have any time for their current administration obviously don't have the time to stop it from developing nuclear weapons either.

They haven't invaded anyone, huh? Why is with people like you there is no such thing as stopping something before it happens? I guess they won't be a threat to the US either until they drop a nuke on DC or NYC?

International terrorism is EVERYONE's business. Everyone that has any damned balls, anyway.

 

[Darwins Friend]

Iran Could Produce Nuclear Bomb in 16 Days, U.S. Says (Update2)

April 12 (Bloomberg) -- Iran, defying United Nations Security Council demands to halt its nuclear program, may be capable of making a nuclear bomb within 16 days, a U.S. State Department official said.

Iran will move to "industrial scale'' uranium enrichment involving 54,000 centrifuges at its Natanz plant, the Associated Press quoted deputy nuclear chief Mohammad Saeedi as telling state-run television today.

"Using those 50,000 centrifuges they could produce enough highly enriched uranium for a nuclear weapon in 16 days,'' Stephen Rademaker, U.S. Assistant Secretary of State for International Security and Nonproliferation, told reporters today in Moscow.

Rademaker was reacting to a statement by Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who said yesterday the country had succeeded in enriching uranium on a small scale for the first time, using 164 centrifuges.

That announcement defies demands by the UN Security Council that Iran shut down its nuclear program this month.

The U.S. fears Iran is pursuing a nuclear program to make weapons, while Iran says it is intent on purely civilian purposes, to provide energy. Saeedi said 54,000 centrifuges will be able to enrich uranium to provide fuel for a 1,000-megawat nuclear power plant similar to the one Russia is finishing in southern Iran, AP reported.

"It was a deeply disappointing announcement,'' Rademaker said of Ahmadinejad's statement.

Weapons-Grade Uranium

Rademaker said the technology to enrich uranium to a low level could also be used to make weapons-grade uranium, saying that it would take a little over 13 years to produce enough highly enriched uranium for a nuclear weapon with the 164 centrifuges currently in use.

The process involves placing uranium hexafluoride gas in a series of rotating drums or cylinders known as centrifuges that run at high speeds to extract weapons grade uranium.

Iran has informed the Vienna-based International Atomic Energy Agency that it plans to construct 3,000 centrifuges at Natanz next year, Rademaker said.

"We calculate that a 3,000-machine cascade could produce enough uranium to build a nuclear weapon within 271 days,'' he said.

While the U.S. has concerns over Iran's nuclear program, Rademaker said "there certainly has been no decision on the part of my government'' to use force if Iran refuses to obey the UN Security Council demand that it shuts down its nuclear program.

Rademaker is in Moscow for a meeting of his counterparts from the Group of Eight wealthy industrialized countries. Russia chairs the G-8 this year.

China is concerned about Iran's decision to accelerate uranium enrichment and wants the government in Tehran to heed international criticism of the move, Wang Guangya, China's ambassador to the United Nations said.

(why 16 days?)

 

[1549]

Those tens of millions of Iranians who don't have any time for their current administration obviously don't have the time to stop it from developing nuclear weapons either.

They haven't invaded anyone, huh? Why is with people like you there is no such thing as stopping something before it happens? I guess they won't be a threat to the US either until they drop a nuke on DC or NYC?

International terrorism is EVERYONE's business. Everyone that has any damned balls, anyway.

When you are talking about a war that involves the U.S. using nuclear weapons, it is no longer about who has "damned balls".

First of all this has nothing to do with Iran dropping a nuke on DC or NYC. How the hell are they going to get it there? Iran does not have sophisticated deployment systems to launch rockets half way around the world. No Iranian plane could ever get close to the United States either.

The problem is that it might get to Israel. Noone wants to see a nuclear weapon dropped on Israel, so let Israel decide if they want to blow up the reactors or not.

In the meantime we can use diplomatic pressure on Iran, but if that does not work...Israel can choose the course of action. The dangers of alliances have been preached multiple times in U.S. history. It is time we pay attention. I have nothing against Israel, but I sure as hell will not tolerate my government using nuclear weapons to protect another nation.

Israel already has our jets and our weapons. They can use those to blow up the weapons factories this story gets to that point.

 

[Said1]

When you are talking about a war that involves the U.S. using nuclear weapons, it is no longer about who has "damned balls".

First of all this has nothing to do with Iran dropping a nuke on DC or NYC. How the hell are they going to get it there? Iran does not have sophisticated deployment systems to launch rockets half way around the world. No Iranian plane could ever get close to the United States either.

The problem is that it might get to Israel. Noone wants to see a nuclear weapon dropped on Israel, so let Israel decide if they want to blow up the reactors or not.

In the meantime we can use diplomatic pressure on Iran, but if that does not work...Israel can choose the course of action. The dangers of alliances have been preached multiple times in U.S. history. It is time we pay attention. I have nothing against Israel, but I sure as hell will not tolerate my government using nuclear weapons to protect another nation.

Israel already has our jets and our weapons. They can use those to blow up the weapons factories this story gets to that point.

Are you another "friend" of Gunny's?

 

[Bonnie]

When you are talking about a war that involves the U.S. using nuclear weapons, it is no longer about who has "damned balls".

First of all this has nothing to do with Iran dropping a nuke on DC or NYC. How the hell are they going to get it there? Iran does not have sophisticated deployment systems to launch rockets half way around the world. No Iranian plane could ever get close to the United States either.

The problem is that it might get to Israel. Noone wants to see a nuclear weapon dropped on Israel, so let Israel decide if they want to blow up the reactors or not.

In the meantime we can use diplomatic pressure on Iran, but if that does not work...Israel can choose the course of action. The dangers of alliances have been preached multiple times in U.S. history. It is time we pay attention. I have nothing against Israel, but I sure as hell will not tolerate my government using nuclear weapons to protect another nation.

Israel already has our jets and our weapons. They can use those to blow up the weapons factories this story gets to that point.

Problem is though even a Nuke hitting just Israel would have ramfications for us and the rest of the world, environmental, economic, and have an even more destabilizing effect on the Middle East than what's occuring now. I think we need more than Israel on board here.

 

[1549]

Are you another "friend" of Gunny's?

Haha, nothing wrong with a new friend, but I think me and Gunny might disagree quite a bit.

 

[Said1]

Haha, nothing wrong with a new friend, but I think me and Gunny might disagree quite a bit.

You don't say?

Nothing wrong with a little legitimate disagreement,right?

 

[1549]

Problem is though even a Nuke hitting just Israel would have ramfications for us and the rest of the world, environmental, economic, and have an even more destabilizing effect on the Middle East than what's occuring now. I think we need more than Israel on board here.

You make a good point, especially the economic aspect.

The environment and middle east stability will be destroyed if we nuke Iran as well. If the exposed plan to use nukes is really on the minds of the military brain trust...then they should lose their positions. A nuke should never be dropped again.

The only way we should involve ourselves with any attempts to destroy the reactors should be if it is U.N. Sanctioned. If the U.N. sanctions an airstrike, then I have no problem with U.S. involvement.

Otherwise we will just only further vilify the United States in the eyes of that region. Doing so would jeapordize anything we have accomplished. At some point our efforts in the middle east our going to need the support of the locals to succeed. Blowing up Iran is not going to help at all.

 

[Bonnie]

You make a good point, especially the economic aspect.

The environment and middle east stability will be destroyed if we nuke Iran as well. If the exposed plan to use nukes is really on the minds of the military brain trust...then they should lose their positions. A nuke should never be dropped again.

The only way we should involve ourselves with any attempts to destroy the reactors should be if it is U.N. Sanctioned. If the U.N. sanctions an airstrike, then I have no problem with U.S. involvement.

Otherwise we will just only further vilify the United States in the eyes of that region. Doing so would jeapordize anything we have accomplished. At some point our efforts in the middle east our going to need the support of the locals to succeed. Blowing up Iran is not going to help at all.

Right now it looks to me like the administration is making an extra effort to take the diplomacy route just for that very reason. Im not sure however if we can really count on the UN in this. The experts seem to say we have at worst case scenario a year, at best 3 or so years before Iran is capable of doing what it is telling the world it wants to do.
I don't know of that is enough time to facilitate a coup within Iran.

 

[dilloduck]

Right now it looks to me like the administration is making an extra effort to take the diplomacy route just for that very reason. Im not sure however if we can really count on the UN in this. The experts seem to say we have at worst case scenario a year, at best 3 or so years before Iran is capable of doing what it is telling the world it wants to do.
I don't know of that is enough time to facilitate a coup within Iran.

I would think that we could sit back and take our cue from Israel. They will be hit first--why wouldn't they act first?

 

[Bonnie]

I would think that we could sit back and take our cue from Israel. They will be hit first--why wouldn't they act first?

Sure we could and probably to some degree are taking our cues form Israel. There's such a huge disparity between what is really going on and what the news is given for public consumption. But I would bet Israel and the US are working very close on this.

 

[dilloduck]

Sure we could and probably to some degree are taking our cues form Israel. There's such a huge disparity between what is really going on and what the news is given for public consumption. But I would bet Israel and the US are working very close on this.

Agreed----Israel remains defeaningly silent for a country that is in the crosshairs of a nuke.

 

[Bonnie]

Agreed----Israel remains defeaningly silent for a country that is in the crosshairs of a nuke.

There is no way on earth Israel would sit back on this even if we told them to, and why should they if they are the first target. Your right they are silent ..in public, but I would love to be a fly on the wall of one of their cabinet meetings with Bush on conference call

 

[dilloduck]

There is no way on earth Israel would sit back on this even if we told them to, and why should they if they are the first target. Your right they are silent ..in public, but I would love to be a fly on the wall of one of their cabinet meetings with Bush on conference call

I guess they are silent because America is the only ally they have left in the world and they can't really go complain to the UN because of all the sanctions against them.

 

[Gunny]

When you are talking about a war that involves the U.S. using nuclear weapons, it is no longer about who has "damned balls".

First of all this has nothing to do with Iran dropping a nuke on DC or NYC. How the hell are they going to get it there? Iran does not have sophisticated deployment systems to launch rockets half way around the world. No Iranian plane could ever get close to the United States either.

Yeah, and ostriches like you won't believe they have an ICBM capable of delivering a nuclear warhead until it flies up your ass. Why does it ALWAYS take a bif, f-in g hole in the ground to get people like YOU to wake up?

I guess you're all about taking action once a US city is obliterated like y'all tree-huggin glibs did after 9/11? Whining and bitching to the government and blaming Bush for it happening?

The truth is, it's YOU and your ilk that allowed 9/11 to happen by your insistence that nothing is going to happen ... until it does.

The problem is that it might get to Israel. Noone wants to see a nuclear weapon dropped on Israel, so let Israel decide if they want to blow up the reactors or not.

The problem is a Nation ruled by Islamic nutjobs who paint the US as "the Great Satan" and has a stated goal of destroying all things not Muslim is on the doorstep of possessing nuclear weapons.

In the meantime we can use diplomatic pressure on Iran, but if that does not work...Israel can choose the course of action. The dangers of alliances have been preached multiple times in U.S. history. It is time we pay attention. I have nothing against Israel, but I sure as hell will not tolerate my government using nuclear weapons to protect another nation.

Israel already has our jets and our weapons. They can use those to blow up the weapons factories this story gets to that point.

You won't TOLERATE? WHO the Hell are you? It's time YOU pull your head out of the sand and pay attention. That ignoring a rattler 'til it bites BS doesn't make it with me. I see one, I kill it. Works like a charm EVERY time.

 

[Gunny]

Are you another "friend" of Gunny's?

Does he sound like a "friend" of mine?

 

[Gunny]

Haha, nothing wrong with a new friend, but I think me and Gunny might disagree quite a bit.

Understatement of the year, tree-hugger.