CDZ Does anyone on here believe America has much of a future?

[Unkotare]

course , I don't favor immigration no matter WHO they are . What is the sense of importing 'english' and 'euro type' Gun Control advocates and opponent of Free Speech as just 2 examples ?? PLUS , In 2010 for example the USA had a Census population of 310 million . Why does the USA need or want more population .

Too many (mostly democrats) have no idea how dangerous some of our modern day immigrants are....not even to mention the democrats favor uncontrolled immigration so they can increase their voter base....thus in essence they are putting America in danger because of their politics.

---------------------------------------------- and as regards 'muslims' see Ami in Minnesota as he interviews 'somali muslims' Mac . --- somali muslims being interviewed bu ami in minnesota - Bing video --- check it out Mac .

....many if not most of our immigrants from these 3rd world countries do not assimilate into America as in their real loyalty still is to their old countries ....

Immigrants today assimilate to American culture just as well and in most cases more quickly than those of previous generations. This is the reality apart from all the bigotry and hysteria that the ignorant cling to.

 

[MacTheKnife]

Today’s immigrants are assimilating just as the generations before them did. And as with generations prior, there will always be bigots and racists and the cowardly who panic at the sight of someone arriving just as their own ancestors arrived before them.

The main difference though is we now have laws, there were no laws concerning immigration when my great great great grandfather immigrated here.

It literally was "whoever can survive the trip"

well , another major difference is that those who came here came here on their own risk. Meaning you sank or swam. There is no denying that many come here now simply for the welfare state.

---------------------------------------------- and in the old days the ones coming to the USA were mostly Christian and had a Generally Western Culture Orientation ....!!

As immigrants from Latin America certainly are.

No, though most of them are considered Catholic(which is not a Bible based religion anyhow)they actually practice Santeria...a mixture of voodooism with catholicism.

Also as is well known the pope is a marxist and the catholic churches have been smuggling immigrants into Ameica from africa and latin america for decades

Santeria: A mix of African Voodoo and Catholicism

 

[MacTheKnife]

Today’s immigrants are assimilating just as the generations before them did. And as with generations prior, there will always be bigots and racists and the cowardly who panic at the sight of someone arriving just as their own ancestors arrived before them.

The main difference though is we now have laws, there were no laws concerning immigration when my great great great grandfather immigrated here.

It literally was "whoever can survive the trip"

well , another major difference is that those who came here came here on their own risk. Meaning you sank or swam. There is no denying that many come here now simply for the welfare state.

---------------------------------------------- and in the old days the ones coming to the USA were mostly Christian and had a Generally Western Culture Orientation ....!!

As immigrants from Latin America certainly are.

Though Latin Americans are usually considered to be Catholic what most of them practice is a mixture of voodooism mixed with Catholicism....it is called Santeria.

John Ramirez: Out of the Devil's Cauldron

 

[pismoe]

Today’s immigrants are assimilating just as the generations before them did. And as with generations prior, there will always be bigots and racists and the cowardly who panic at the sight of someone arriving just as their own ancestors arrived before them.

The main difference though is we now have laws, there were no laws concerning immigration when my great great great grandfather immigrated here.

It literally was "whoever can survive the trip"

well , another major difference is that those who came here came here on their own risk. Meaning you sank or swam. There is no denying that many come here now simply for the welfare state.

---------------------------------------------- and in the old days the ones coming to the USA were mostly Christian and had a Generally Western Culture Orientation ....!!

As immigrants from Latin America certainly are.

No, though most of them are considered Catholic(which is not a Bible based religion anyhow)they actually practice Santeria...a mixture of voodooism with catholicism.

Also as is well known the pope is a marxist and the catholic churches have been smuggling immigrants into Ameica from africa and latin america for decades

Santeria: A mix of African Voodoo and Catholicism

-------------------------- thanks and yeah , plus they have been worshipping ' saint murder' or 'santa muerta' and they been doing 'mordida' or bribing or stealing for hundreds of years . My thinking is that a lots of these 'indians' from mexico that invade the USA are 'aztec , inca or maya ' Savages Mac .

 

[MacTheKnife]

Today’s immigrants are assimilating just as the generations before them did. And as with generations prior, there will always be bigots and racists and the cowardly who panic at the sight of someone arriving just as their own ancestors arrived before them.

The main difference though is we now have laws, there were no laws concerning immigration when my great great great grandfather immigrated here.

It literally was "whoever can survive the trip"

well , another major difference is that those who came here came here on their own risk. Meaning you sank or swam. There is no denying that many come here now simply for the welfare state.

---------------------------------------------- and in the old days the ones coming to the USA were mostly Christian and had a Generally Western Culture Orientation ....!!

As immigrants from Latin America certainly are.

No, though most of them are considered Catholic(which is not a Bible based religion anyhow)they actually practice Santeria...a mixture of voodooism with catholicism.

Also as is well known the pope is a marxist and the catholic churches have been smuggling immigrants into Ameica from africa and latin america for decades

Santeria: A mix of African Voodoo and Catholicism

Catholics are Christians, of course. If you want to explore that aspect of your bigotry, you should take it to the religion forum. No, most Latino immigrants do not practice Voodoo. That is a very small percentage of people from one small country.

You are name calling and that is a violation of the rules on the clean debate zone.

Irregardless, religion is a natural progression of this topic as it plays a huge role in immigration and assimilation.

No, Roman Catholicism and Christianity are not the same thing. Christianity is properly defined by certain doctrines that are revealed in the Bible. It is not defined by simply saying that as long as you believe in Jesus, you're a Christian. Mormons believe in Jesus, but their Jesus is a brother of the devil in the pre-existence. The Jesus of the Jehovah's Witnesses is Michael the Archangel. So, just saying you believe in Jesus doesn't make you a Christian. This is why the Bible tells us who Jesus really is--God in flesh, creator of the universe. Likewise, there are essential doctrines; and if any of those essential doctrines are violated, then a church would only appear to be Christian but not really be Christian. What are those doctrines? The Bible tells us. Let's take a look.

Are Roman Catholicism and Christianity the same thing? | CARM.org

 

[Unkotare]

Today’s immigrants are assimilating just as the generations before them did. And as with generations prior, there will always be bigots and racists and the cowardly who panic at the sight of someone arriving just as their own ancestors arrived before them.

The main difference though is we now have laws, there were no laws concerning immigration when my great great great grandfather immigrated here.

It literally was "whoever can survive the trip"

well , another major difference is that those who came here came here on their own risk. Meaning you sank or swam. There is no denying that many come here now simply for the welfare state.

---------------------------------------------- and in the old days the ones coming to the USA were mostly Christian and had a Generally Western Culture Orientation Plus when they got to the USA they KNEW that they were in the USA to stay as how could they afford to travel back to Ireland , Russia , Wales , England , France , YADA YADA . And they were taught by Americans and not by some feckhead with a stupid hairdo and filthy screen name what it was to be American and they Wanted to speak English among other American things .------------- just a comment !!

Yes, and that is why until the sixties and the new immigration bill of 1965 most of our immigrants assimilated into our culture quite easily....but unfortunately in 1965 all that was changed when we began to favor immigrants from 3rd world nations.

Wrong about the past, wrong about the present.

 

[Unkotare]

Today’s immigrants are assimilating just as the generations before them did. And as with generations prior, there will always be bigots and racists and the cowardly who panic at the sight of someone arriving just as their own ancestors arrived before them.

The main difference though is we now have laws, there were no laws concerning immigration when my great great great grandfather immigrated here.

It literally was "whoever can survive the trip"

well , another major difference is that those who came here came here on their own risk. Meaning you sank or swam. There is no denying that many come here now simply for the welfare state.

---------------------------------------------- and in the old days the ones coming to the USA were mostly Christian and had a Generally Western Culture Orientation ....!!

As immigrants from Latin America certainly are.

No, though most of them are considered Catholic(which is not a Bible based religion anyhow)they actually practice Santeria...a mixture of voodooism with catholicism.

Also as is well known the pope is a marxist and the catholic churches have been smuggling immigrants into Ameica from africa and latin america for decades

Santeria: A mix of African Voodoo and Catholicism

-------------------------- thanks and yeah , plus they have been worshipping ' saint murder' or 'santa muerta' and they been doing 'mordida' or bribing or stealing for hundreds of years . My thinking is that a lots of these 'indians' from mexico that invade the USA are 'aztec , inca or maya ' Savages Mac .

All too often any discussion about immigration simply falls back to simple bigotry, fear and irrationality. None of that helps to solve the problems we are facing.

 

[Unkotare]

The main difference though is we now have laws, there were no laws concerning immigration when my great great great grandfather immigrated here.

It literally was "whoever can survive the trip"

well , another major difference is that those who came here came here on their own risk. Meaning you sank or swam. There is no denying that many come here now simply for the welfare state.

---------------------------------------------- and in the old days the ones coming to the USA were mostly Christian and had a Generally Western Culture Orientation ....!!

As immigrants from Latin America certainly are.

No, though most of them are considered Catholic(which is not a Bible based religion anyhow)they actually practice Santeria...a mixture of voodooism with catholicism.

Also as is well known the pope is a marxist and the catholic churches have been smuggling immigrants into Ameica from africa and latin america for decades

Santeria: A mix of African Voodoo and Catholicism

Catholics are Christians, of course. If you want to explore that aspect of your bigotry, you should take it to the religion forum. No, most Latino immigrants do not practice Voodoo. That is a very small percentage of people from one small country.

You are name calling and that is a violation of the rules on the clean debate zone.

Irregardless, religion is a natural progression of this topic as it plays a huge role in immigration and assimilation.

No, Roman Catholicism and Christianity are not the same thing. Christianity is properly defined by certain doctrines that are revealed in the Bible. It is not defined by simply saying that as long as you believe in Jesus, you're a Christian. Mormons believe in Jesus, but their Jesus is a brother of the devil in the pre-existence. The Jesus of the Jehovah's Witnesses is Michael the Archangel. So, just saying you believe in Jesus doesn't make you a Christian. This is why the Bible tells us who Jesus really is--God in flesh, creator of the universe. Likewise, there are essential doctrines; and if any of those essential doctrines are violated, then a church would only appear to be Christian but not really be Christian. What are those doctrines? The Bible tells us. Let's take a look.

Are Roman Catholicism and Christianity the same thing? | CARM.org

Wrong forum .

 

[MacTheKnife]

The main difference though is we now have laws, there were no laws concerning immigration when my great great great grandfather immigrated here.

It literally was "whoever can survive the trip"

well , another major difference is that those who came here came here on their own risk. Meaning you sank or swam. There is no denying that many come here now simply for the welfare state.

---------------------------------------------- and in the old days the ones coming to the USA were mostly Christian and had a Generally Western Culture Orientation ....!!

As immigrants from Latin America certainly are.

No, though most of them are considered Catholic(which is not a Bible based religion anyhow)they actually practice Santeria...a mixture of voodooism with catholicism.

Also as is well known the pope is a marxist and the catholic churches have been smuggling immigrants into Ameica from africa and latin america for decades

Santeria: A mix of African Voodoo and Catholicism

-------------------------- thanks and yeah , plus they have been worshipping ' saint murder' or 'santa muerta' and they been doing 'mordida' or bribing or stealing for hundreds of years . My thinking is that a lots of these 'indians' from mexico that invade the USA are 'aztec , inca or maya ' Savages Mac .

All too often any discussion about immigration simply falls back to simple bigotry, fear and irrationality. None of that helps to solve the problems we are facing.

You are entitled to your opinion...but discussions on the forums should encompass more than just coming on and stating one's opinion and most especially on this forum.

.

 

[MacTheKnife]

---------------------------------------------- and in the old days the ones coming to the USA were mostly Christian and had a Generally Western Culture Orientation ....!!

As immigrants from Latin America certainly are.

No, though most of them are considered Catholic(which is not a Bible based religion anyhow)they actually practice Santeria...a mixture of voodooism with catholicism.

Also as is well known the pope is a marxist and the catholic churches have been smuggling immigrants into Ameica from africa and latin america for decades

Santeria: A mix of African Voodoo and Catholicism

Catholics are Christians, of course. If you want to explore that aspect of your bigotry, you should take it to the religion forum. No, most Latino immigrants do not practice Voodoo. That is a very small percentage of people from one small country.

You are name calling and that is a violation of the rules on the clean debate zone.

Irregardless, religion is a natural progression of this topic as it plays a huge role in immigration and assimilation.

No, Roman Catholicism and Christianity are not the same thing. Christianity is properly defined by certain doctrines that are revealed in the Bible. It is not defined by simply saying that as long as you believe in Jesus, you're a Christian. Mormons believe in Jesus, but their Jesus is a brother of the devil in the pre-existence. The Jesus of the Jehovah's Witnesses is Michael the Archangel. So, just saying you believe in Jesus doesn't make you a Christian. This is why the Bible tells us who Jesus really is--God in flesh, creator of the universe. Likewise, there are essential doctrines; and if any of those essential doctrines are violated, then a church would only appear to be Christian but not really be Christian. What are those doctrines? The Bible tells us. Let's take a look.

Are Roman Catholicism and Christianity the same thing? | CARM.org

Wrong forum .

you are attempting to disrupt the thread and you have engaged in name calling.

The religious aspect of this discussion is a natural progression of the topic...this was previously explained. Please stop trying to disrupt this thread. thank you.

 

[DOTR]

I really do not like being a pessimist...perhaps someone can put forth a persuasive argument regarding how America will get back on track and become once again a great nation?

Trump is our last best chance. But as is...no I don’t think so. The enemy is within and the ruling class ensconced.
But we will survive in a different form...after a certain future event.

 

[DOTR]

As immigrants from Latin America certainly are.

No, though most of them are considered Catholic(which is not a Bible based religion anyhow)they actually practice Santeria...a mixture of voodooism with catholicism.

Also as is well known the pope is a marxist and the catholic churches have been smuggling immigrants into Ameica from africa and latin america for decades

Santeria: A mix of African Voodoo and Catholicism

-------------------------- thanks and yeah , plus they have been worshipping ' saint murder' or 'santa muerta' and they been doing 'mordida' or bribing or stealing for hundreds of years . My thinking is that a lots of these 'indians' from mexico that invade the USA are 'aztec , inca or maya ' Savages Mac .

All too often any discussion about immigration simply falls back to simple bigotry, fear and irrationality. None of that helps to solve the problems we are facing.

You are entitled to your opinion...but discussions on the forums should encompass more than just coming on and stating one's opinion and most especially on this forum.

.

Fear drives the ignorant to make ridiculous claims that spring from their imagination alone. That's not conducive to any serious discussion.

Perhaps they are right to be afraid though ?

 

[Unkotare]

No, though most of them are considered Catholic(which is not a Bible based religion anyhow)they actually practice Santeria...a mixture of voodooism with catholicism.

Also as is well known the pope is a marxist and the catholic churches have been smuggling immigrants into Ameica from africa and latin america for decades

Santeria: A mix of African Voodoo and Catholicism

-------------------------- thanks and yeah , plus they have been worshipping ' saint murder' or 'santa muerta' and they been doing 'mordida' or bribing or stealing for hundreds of years . My thinking is that a lots of these 'indians' from mexico that invade the USA are 'aztec , inca or maya ' Savages Mac .

All too often any discussion about immigration simply falls back to simple bigotry, fear and irrationality. None of that helps to solve the problems we are facing.

You are entitled to your opinion...but discussions on the forums should encompass more than just coming on and stating one's opinion and most especially on this forum.

.

Fear drives the ignorant to make ridiculous claims that spring from their imagination alone. That's not conducive to any serious discussion.

Perhaps they are right to be afraid though ?

Afraid of what? And what is the rational response to fear?

 

[Unkotare]

Fear is really what this thread is about. Obviously, many here are afraid of a future they cannot see with clarity. No one can, but spineless pessimism is certainly NOT an American trait. What America really is will long outlive any hysterical cries about the sky falling. America is stronger than all that. Some people who would call themselves Americans do not understand her at all.

 

[Unkotare]

Today’s immigrants are assimilating just as the generations before them did. And as with generations prior, there will always be bigots and racists and the cowardly who panic at the sight of someone arriving just as their own ancestors arrived before them.

The main difference though is we now have laws, there were no laws concerning immigration when my great great great grandfather immigrated here.

It literally was "whoever can survive the trip"

well , another major difference is that those who came here came here on their own risk. Meaning you sank or swam. There is no denying that many come here now simply for the welfare state.

---------------------------------------------- and in the old days the ones coming to the USA were mostly Christian and had a Generally Western Culture Orientation ....!!

As immigrants from Latin America certainly are.

No, though most of them are considered Catholic......

Most Latino immigrants are Christians. Latin America is in the West. Immigrants today do assimilate just like those who came before them did. None of these obvious truths mitigate the problem of illegal immigration.

Catholics are Christians, of course. The reference to Vaudun as an appeal to fear is beneath a serious discussion. Such obvious and clumsy attempts at fabricating 'otherness' in order to more simply vilify is juvenile and entirely unnecessary. The real problem is more than deserving of serious attention without creating WWI - era propaganda posters. In his address, President Trump dispassionately described the problem in detail without resorting to campfire stories about blood-soaked fangs and scythe-limbed monsters.

America will persist despite all this.

 

[MacTheKnife]

and the excellent thing about my Ami / Minnesota video is that the 'somalis muslims' are LEGAL . Plus notice the words at the viseo beginning where they mention that some of these 'muslims' go back to their zhitholes to fight with 'Islamic states' against Americans Mac .

Yes...we compound the mistake of allowing them to immigrate here and then allow them to come and go from the middle east when it is well known many of them get radicalized when they go back...as in...the terrorists approach them and tell them if they do not offer the jihadists in America help their relatives will be killed. Thus ...they are targets for the jihadists when they return to their home country and many of them are then trained in military camps on terrorism before they come back to America....that is just reality...but the leftwingers will not face up to it.

 

[MacTheKnife]

Ayaan Hirsi Ali, a Somali, Muslim-born émigré who is one of Islam’s fiercest critics in the West, warned in TIME that Americans should stop thinking of Charlie Hebdo-style massacres as something that “couldn’t happen here.” Sure, America doesn’t have Islamists calling for the “United States of Sharia,” as in Europe. But the Muslim population in America is on track to grow at over twice the rate of that in France over the next 15 years, she maintains. And this is a problem given that even moderate Muslims might be resistant to the American melting pot because they’ll want ultimately to live in a society governed by sharia. Therefore, they may instinctively “turn a blind eye to the use of violence and intimidation tactics…against apostates and dissidents.” And Americans need to wake up from their torpor and confront the threat.

What India Can Teach Us About Islam and Assimilation

 

[MacTheKnife]

Islamic Terror
on American Soil
Following the horrific slaughter of thousands on 9/11, only one Muslim in America was killed in a vigilante "revenge" attack. This was Waqar Hasan, a convenience storeowner who was gunned down by a Mark Anthony Stroman, a White Supremacist in Texas who went on to shoot two more people in the following weeks.

For anyone keeping score:

People killed by radical Muslims on 9/11: 2,977
Muslim-Americans killed "in revenge": 1

Thankfully, an American jury sentenced Mark Stroman to death. The same cannot be said of many Muslim terrorists, including Palestinian mass murderers who who kill children. They are not only celebrated in some circles, but have even been invited to perform the Haj at Mecca - without a peep of protest from Muslim groups or individuals.

The overwhelming obsession with "Islamophobia" is not supported by statistics. That may sound crass, but since 9/11, an additional 158 Americans have been killed in 53 separate acts of deadly Islamic terror or Islam-related honor killing in the United States. Hundreds of mass murder plots have been thwarted or botched. The real story is not "Islamophobia" but American tolerance - which rightly refuses to punish the individual based on group identity.

As the Muslim population increases in the United States, so too will the number of Islamic terror attacks. This is because the pool from which the radicals recruit grows bigger. Studies show that between 5 - 25% of Muslims in America believe that violence in defense of Islam is justified. The number of potential terrorists therefore grows proportionately with the overall number, even if only a small minority actually plot attacks.

Immigrants to America have killed and have plotted to kill. However, the real threat comes from successive generations of Muslims living in the West, which have proven to be more radical and more dangerous (overall) than their parents. Muslim migration thus means that more Americans will die. The benefits that offset this reality are not entirely clear.

For anyone wondering about the history of deadly Islamic terror on American soil since 1972, here’s what we came up with:

Islamic Attacks on America

 

[Unkotare]

If this has officially become a religious bigotry thread, it really should be moved to the religion forum.

 

[MacTheKnife]

Again...you are attempting to disrupt this thread. You have been reported.