Doctor Ebola Arrives in the US

[Silhouette]

I demand we go to CODE ORANGE! Ebola is on our shores! This missionary doctor should have been tossed out of the plane over the Atlantic.

Where is that bastard Obama? IS HE GOLFING AGAIN!!!!?

Ebola is creeping across the Mexican border, dammit! Inside someone's cantaloupe calf.

HEY! DID YOU JUST SNEEZE? LOCK THAT ****** UP. NOW!

Oh, some republicans are just that stupid. There are GOP congressman arguing that immigrant children have ebola. Not because there is the slightest evidence of it.

But because to the low information republican voter, the accusation is evidence.

The difference is that WE KNOW the doctor has ebola. AND WE LET HIM IN ANYWAY.

Again, did we consult with Canada, Central or South America about how they feel about this presence in the New World now?

 

[Skylar]

It is the CDC's business to notice the word 'virtually' and '90% fatality rate' and put the two together in one sentence.

If you're using probabilities as your guide, your argument is already lost. As the odds of the type of hysteric 'plague' being imagined is ridiculously, almost laughably low.

Which the CDC seems fully aware of. I'm glad the CDC is making decisions based on rational assessment rather than mindless emotion.

The only acceptable instance of a disease that has a 90% fatality rate and a quick-spread contagion is 0%. We must allow 0% of ebola sufferers off a plane or boat into the New World.

Save of course that Ebola isn't quick spreading, it has a survivability rate of closer to 40% with treatment, and the lone individual that has it is under biohazard quarantine. Rendering the odds of even one other individual catching the disease from him astronomically low. Like winning the lottery while on a crashing plane and being mauled by a bengal tiger low.

And of course, we've had the ebola virus in the United States for over a decade. If the panty shitting hysterics you've described were even remotely plausible, it would have happened already. Your fear is irrational because it ignores all of this.

The '0%' scenario that you describe would mandate no flights to the US from any destination, ever, nor any cross border travel by anyone. Ever. As any passenger or border crosser technically 'could' be carrying a deadly pathogen. Further, your 0% solution would have to be taken further, because Ebola is already here. The first symptoms of Ebola is indistinguishable from the flu.

So to maintain your ludicrous '0%' rule, we'd have to banish or otherwise eliminate anyone who exhibited symptoms even similar to ebola's early stages. Or any other deadly pathogen. Influenza or Pneumonia killed over 50,000 people in the US last year alone. So to preserve American lives, we'd have to rid ourselves of anyone who has symptoms of either disease. Which, unsurprisingly, is indistinguishable from the common cold in their early symptoms.

So we'd have to banish or otherwise eliminate anyone who had so much as a sniffling nose and a sore throat. We wouldn't be a 0%, of course. But we'd be closer than we are now, if by some absurdly small degree.

Or.......we can put on our big boy pants and recognize that the perfect avoidance of any risk just isn't in the cards. And that we can only mitigate risks to a reasonable level.

Which the CDC has done with the *lone* ebola case in the country. A nation, which you'll understand, has already had the ebola virus in it for over a decade. With no outbreaks. Demonstrating that yes, we can make ourselves reasonable safe.

Again, did the US consult with Canada, Central or South America about this "exception" to the fast rule?

What 'fast rule'? The one you imagined?

Remember....ebola has been in the US for quite a while, being studied under conditions similar to the biohazard quarantine the lone doctor is being treated now.

And his condition is improving! That's what treatment can provide.

 

[Skylar]

I demand we go to CODE ORANGE! Ebola is on our shores! This missionary doctor should have been tossed out of the plane over the Atlantic.

Where is that bastard Obama? IS HE GOLFING AGAIN!!!!?

Ebola is creeping across the Mexican border, dammit! Inside someone's cantaloupe calf.

HEY! DID YOU JUST SNEEZE? LOCK THAT ****** UP. NOW!

Oh, some republicans are just that stupid. There are GOP congressman arguing that immigrant children have ebola. Not because there is the slightest evidence of it.

But because to the low information republican voter, the accusation is evidence.

The difference is that WE KNOW the doctor has ebola. AND WE LET HIM IN ANYWAY.

Again, did we consult with Canada, Central or South America about how they feel about this presence in the New World now?

Of course we knew. Which is exactly why he's under biohazard quarantine. A level of protection sufficient enough to prevent the disease from spreading from the litany of facilities in the US studying ebola.

And did we consult with the Canada, central or south America about how they feel about the ebola virus being in US laboratories for the last decade.

Nope.

But oddly, we didn't have any of the panty shitting hysterics from conservatives over that....despite similar levels of risk. Namely, virtually none. As more than 10 years without the doomsday outbreak fantasized about failing to materialize demonstrates rather elegantly.

 

[g5000]

I demand we go to CODE ORANGE! Ebola is on our shores! This missionary doctor should have been tossed out of the plane over the Atlantic.

Where is that bastard Obama? IS HE GOLFING AGAIN!!!!?

Ebola is creeping across the Mexican border, dammit! Inside someone's cantaloupe calf.

HEY! DID YOU JUST SNEEZE? LOCK THAT ****** UP. NOW!

Oh, some republicans are just that stupid. There are GOP congressman arguing that immigrant children have ebola. Not because there is the slightest evidence of it.

But because to the low information republican voter, the accusation is evidence.

The difference is that WE KNOW the doctor has ebola. AND WE LET HIM IN ANYWAY.

Oh. My. God. We let that American Christian missionary doctor into 'Merka!?!?! SON OF A...*****!!!

Again, did we consult with Canada, Central or South America about how they feel about this presence in the New World now?

Wow. The fear in you rubes has no bottom!

 

[g5000]

Don't look now but...Obama just flew a SECOND American Christian missionary doctor back into America!

THE HORROR!!! CHANGE ALERT FROM ORANGE TO CODE YELLOW! CODE YELLOW!

Charlotte missionary arrives in Atlanta for Ebola treatment | CharlotteObserver.com

A chartered plane arrived in Atlanta Tuesday carrying Charlotte missionary Nancy Writebol, the second American aid worker recently diagnosed with Ebola viral infection in Liberia. She joins her colleague Dr. Kent Brantly, who has been receiving treatment for Ebola infection since Saturday at a special isolation unit in Atlanta’s Emory University Hospital.

 

[g5000]

I hear they are taking these Ebola plague carriers to the circus, and then a baseball game, and then to a NASCAR race.

"Wow, Biff. That Ebola doctor managed to walk by himself from the ambulance to the cheap seats!"

"God is great, Tad. God is great. His wonders to perform."

 

[boedicca]

I do, unfortunately. I want intensive US study of the strains, not reports from afar.

Even if you knew there was great potential risks to American lives in the process?

Here's further evidence that Ebola is very dangerous to human and animal lives once it becomes airborne.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/curre...n-the-big-cover-up-about-the-ebola-virus.html

The risks for ebola in the US are virtually nonexistent from this guy being brought home. First, Ebola isn't particularly good at finding new hosts. Its only transmitted through body fluids, its only contagious for about 10 days, and its not even airborne. The world goes years without a single infection.

The doctor that was brought home in under biohazard quarantine, meaning that there isn't even flesh to flesh contact with the man. Making the likelihood of transmission virtually nil.

So the potential you are describing is ridiculously unlikely. And even if occured, the doctors and those treating him are under observation. So if they exhibited so much as the flu, they're under quarantine. And there are no reports of such symptoms from anyone treating the doctor.

Making your 'potential' even more ludicriously unlikely. While the individual patient is much more likely to survive. And the CDC being able to investigate an infection first hand will increase their knowledge of the virus and how to combat it.

So huge rewards for the individual and future patients.....and virtually none for anyone else. That's a no-brainer.

Of course. It's not like viruses ever mutate or anything like that....



You really don't under even the most elementary principles of epidemiology, hun.

 

[g5000]

Yeah, that Ebola bug could mutate into one that eats through hazmat suits and walls and stuff!

 

[Peach]

If you're using probabilities as your guide, your argument is already lost. As the odds of the type of hysteric 'plague' being imagined is ridiculously, almost laughably low.

Which the CDC seems fully aware of. I'm glad the CDC is making decisions based on rational assessment rather than mindless emotion.

The only acceptable instance of a disease that has a 90% fatality rate and a quick-spread contagion is 0%. We must allow 0% of ebola sufferers off a plane or boat into the New World.

Save of course that Ebola isn't quick spreading, it has a survivability rate of closer to 40% with treatment, and the lone individual that has it is under biohazard quarantine. Rendering the odds of even one other individual catching the disease from him astronomically low. Like winning the lottery while on a crashing plane and being mauled by a bengal tiger low.

And of course, we've had the ebola virus in the United States for over a decade. If the panty shitting hysterics you've described were even remotely plausible, it would have happened already. Your fear is irrational because it ignores all of this.

The '0%' scenario that you describe would mandate no flights to the US from any destination, ever, nor any cross border travel by anyone. Ever. As any passenger or border crosser technically 'could' be carrying a deadly pathogen. Further, your 0% solution would have to be taken further, because Ebola is already here. The first symptoms of Ebola is indistinguishable from the flu.

So to maintain your ludicrous '0%' rule, we'd have to banish or otherwise eliminate anyone who exhibited symptoms even similar to ebola's early stages. Or any other deadly pathogen. Influenza or Pneumonia killed over 50,000 people in the US last year alone. So to preserve American lives, we'd have to rid ourselves of anyone who has symptoms of either disease. Which, unsurprisingly, is indistinguishable from the common cold in their early symptoms.

So we'd have to banish or otherwise eliminate anyone who had so much as a sniffling nose and a sore throat. We wouldn't be a 0%, of course. But we'd be closer than we are now, if by some absurdly small degree.

Or.......we can put on our big boy pants and recognize that the perfect avoidance of any risk just isn't in the cards. And that we can only mitigate risks to a reasonable level.

Which the CDC has done with the *lone* ebola case in the country. A nation, which you'll understand, has already had the ebola virus in it for over a decade. With no outbreaks. Demonstrating that yes, we can make ourselves reasonable safe.

Again, did the US consult with Canada, Central or South America about this "exception" to the fast rule?

What 'fast rule'? The one you imagined?

Remember....ebola has been in the US for quite a while, being studied under conditions similar to the biohazard quarantine the lone doctor is being treated now.

And his condition is improving! That's what treatment can provide.

MAPP has "segments" to infect mice that produce the antibodies, thus it has been in the US, not just Reston. And the chances of it existing in a warm, swampy area are not -0-. Research now, or keep waiting. The panic crowd can pretend we can shut out the world, let Americans handle the work to be done.

 

[g5000]

So I'm sharing a cigarette with Dr. Ebola last night, and he's telling me how he caught a foul ball that was hit into the stands at a game earlier in the evening.

People were clapping him on the back, giving him high fives, doing bong hits with him and shit for catching that ball. He had the time of his life. They didn't have pro baseball games on the darkie continent.

 

[Peach]

Yeah, that Ebola bug could mutate into one that eats through hazmat suits and walls and stuff!

Ebola prefers waffles to walls, and it is past time for US ingenuity to be on top of this, not cowering.

 

[g5000]

Gluten-free Ebola waffles. An important part of a well-balanced breakfast.

"L'Eggo my Ebola!"

 

[Synthaholic]

..But once the Ebola disease reaches more-modern cities, with mass transit, a catastrophic pandemic could spread quickly around the world. THIS COULD BE A NEAR EXTINCTION EVENT.

Never before in human history during a serious epidemic have humans had the capacity — available to a large proportion of all humans — to travel significantly more rapidly than the development of deadly disease. Never before has a serious epidemic broken out when humans can move around the planet faster than the symptoms of disease can be noticed. And our modern mode of travel — unlike ships or trains or covered wagons — heavily concentrate infected people for hours at a time with other humans traveling from widely diverse points of origin to widely diverse destinations. Thus, modern travel creates a mixing bowl capable of spinning disease around the globe at an astonishing potential rate... Ebola Already in the USA, Across Mexican Border, Doctor Alleges | AUN-TV

The incubation rate from exposure to illness with ebola is between 2-21 days. Isolated villiages in Africa and the quick onset have been the saving grace thusfar. If this illness reaches cities...well....we're done.

We have a nuclear power plant and waste situation to monitor. With a 60-90% fatality rate, who will be left to babysit them?

We could recover as a society but can anyone who survives in a semi-neolithic existence monitor and keep radiation from killing anyone who was left as core after core melts down from lack of maintenance?

This isn't a Hollywood script. This is a real life, actual, no-nonsense scenario of what will happen if Ebola spreads.

And look what we just did. As idiot Americans we just knowingly allowed an infected doctor into US territory. And the people attending him? We don't even know how the disease spreads. "Bodily fluids" is what I hear. Well that's in a person's exhaled moisture & breath as well as other sources.

As a livestock manager, I am S-T-U-N-N-E-D at the sheer recklessness. How did the CDC allow this???? I can only hope that when ebola breaks out in a town in the US from one of these attendants of this infected doctor, we have the balls to drop everyone in that town and not look back. Then burn all the buildings to the ground.

What a selfish prick that doctor is. Unbelievable.

You continue to prove that you're a ******* moron.

He was brought here under quarantine precautions, and is isolated at Emery Hospital.

So, now you miserable wingnut ***** want to say to Christian missionaries and doctors overseas "You're on your own. You get sick, tough shit. Let your God heal you because I don't consider you an American any longer, with a right of return and the same rights as any other American".

You teabaggers make me sick.

 

[g5000]

What a selfish prick that doctor is. Unbelievable.

I know! Being all helpful and shit, traveling to the darkie continent to try to save jungle bunnies in mortal distress in primitive conditions. What a ******* self-centered asshole!

He should have stayed back in his church, clapping hands and singing hymns to Jesus like a real Christian.

 

[Peach]

What a selfish prick that doctor is. Unbelievable.

I know! Being all Christian and shit, traveling to the darkie continent to help jungle bunnies in mortal distress. What a ******* self-centered asshole!

All humans owe DWB, and Samaritan's Purse more than money can repay.

 

[g5000]

What a selfish prick that doctor is. Unbelievable.

I know! Being all Christian and shit, traveling to the darkie continent to help jungle bunnies in mortal distress. What a ******* self-centered asshole!

All humans owe DWB, and Samaritan's Purse more than money can repay.

Indeed. It is precisely because of selfless people like these that Ebola does not become a worldwide pandemic. I can't believe the rubes let themselves get confused about that.

 

[Skylar]

Even if you knew there was great potential risks to American lives in the process?

Here's further evidence that Ebola is very dangerous to human and animal lives once it becomes airborne.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/curre...n-the-big-cover-up-about-the-ebola-virus.html

The risks for ebola in the US are virtually nonexistent from this guy being brought home. First, Ebola isn't particularly good at finding new hosts. Its only transmitted through body fluids, its only contagious for about 10 days, and its not even airborne. The world goes years without a single infection.

The doctor that was brought home in under biohazard quarantine, meaning that there isn't even flesh to flesh contact with the man. Making the likelihood of transmission virtually nil.

So the potential you are describing is ridiculously unlikely. And even if occured, the doctors and those treating him are under observation. So if they exhibited so much as the flu, they're under quarantine. And there are no reports of such symptoms from anyone treating the doctor.

Making your 'potential' even more ludicriously unlikely. While the individual patient is much more likely to survive. And the CDC being able to investigate an infection first hand will increase their knowledge of the virus and how to combat it.

So huge rewards for the individual and future patients.....and virtually none for anyone else. That's a no-brainer.

Of course. It's not like viruses ever mutate or anything like that....



You really don't under even the most elementary principles of epidemiology, hun.

Um, hun....the strain of ebola this man has is a known quantity. And it's not airborne, still only transmits via bodily fluids, and is still only contagious while the victim is symptomatic.

If your fantasies about 'mutation' are a serious concern for you, then you'd be much more afraid of say, influenza.

The 1918 flu pandemic (January 1918 – December 1920) was an unusually deadly influenza pandemic, the first of the two pandemics involving H1N1 influenza virus. It infected 500 million people across the world, including remote Pacific islands and the Arctic, and killed 50 to 100 million of them—three to five percent of the world's population —making it one of the deadliest natural disasters in human history.

1918 flu pandemic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

As the influenza virus is already here. But you haven't made a peep. Demonstrating your laughably ignorance of either the 'most elementary principles of epidemiology' or your comic ignorance of history. Or both.

Either way, the CDC isn't ignorant of either. And I put far more credence in their assessment of the risk involved than I ever would yours.

As would any rational person. As you simply have no idea what you're talking about.

 

[Peach]

The risks for ebola in the US are virtually nonexistent from this guy being brought home. First, Ebola isn't particularly good at finding new hosts. Its only transmitted through body fluids, its only contagious for about 10 days, and its not even airborne. The world goes years without a single infection.

The doctor that was brought home in under biohazard quarantine, meaning that there isn't even flesh to flesh contact with the man. Making the likelihood of transmission virtually nil.

So the potential you are describing is ridiculously unlikely. And even if occured, the doctors and those treating him are under observation. So if they exhibited so much as the flu, they're under quarantine. And there are no reports of such symptoms from anyone treating the doctor.

Making your 'potential' even more ludicriously unlikely. While the individual patient is much more likely to survive. And the CDC being able to investigate an infection first hand will increase their knowledge of the virus and how to combat it.

So huge rewards for the individual and future patients.....and virtually none for anyone else. That's a no-brainer.

Of course. It's not like viruses ever mutate or anything like that....



You really don't under even the most elementary principles of epidemiology, hun.

Um, hun....the strain of ebola this man has is a known quantity. And it's not airborne, still only transmits via bodily fluids, and is still only contagious while the victim is symptomatic.

If your fantasies about 'mutation' are a serious concern for you, then you'd be much more afraid of say, influenza.

The 1918 flu pandemic (January 1918 – December 1920) was an unusually deadly influenza pandemic, the first of the two pandemics involving H1N1 influenza virus. It infected 500 million people across the world, including remote Pacific islands and the Arctic, and killed 50 to 100 million of them—three to five percent of the world's population —making it one of the deadliest natural disasters in human history.

1918 flu pandemic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

As the influenza virus is already here. But you haven't made a peep. Demonstrating your laughably ignorance of either the 'most elementary principles of epidemiology' or your comic ignorance of history. Or both.

Either way, the CDC isn't ignorant of either. And I put far more credence in their assessment of the risk involved than I ever would yours.

As would any rational person. As you simply have no idea what you're talking about.

Discovery requires taking risks; there was no certainty about the polio vaccine, yet the risk was taken.

 

[Synthaholic]

This is an opportunity to put pressure on Big Pharm, who can't be bothered looking for a cure/vaccine because it's not a moneymaker like boner pills and hair loss.

Any government money should be contingent on working on Ebola, malaria, and other low profit diseases.

 

[francoHFW]

Ignorant, fear mongered chicken little hater dupes to the rescue! lol