Doctor Ebola Arrives in the US

[Soggy in NOLA]

This is an opportunity to put pressure on Big Pharm, who can't be bothered looking for a cure/vaccine because it's not a moneymaker like boner pills and hair loss.

Any government money should be contingent on working on Ebola, malaria, and other low profit diseases.

And whatever it is that makes you the way you are.. although, it's probably a lost cause at this point.

 

[Peach]

"Goodwill" is a business asset, MAPP Pharma saw its stock soar recently; a few large companies could use "goodwill".

 

[Skylar]

..But once the Ebola disease reaches more-modern cities, with mass transit, a catastrophic pandemic could spread quickly around the world. THIS COULD BE A NEAR EXTINCTION EVENT.

Oh, my. You're in full on hysteric drama queen mode. Your ignorance is actually a bit of a comfort on this one. As the risk is nothing like you've described.

First off, the disease isn't airborne. You only get the disease from contact with bodily fluid. An ebola victim would have to be vomiting on you to be contagious. Almost all trasmission of the disease is from people in direct contact, like caregivers....or more common, from family washing the body after death. Its a rather disease to get. Or to transmit. And the worst outbreak in human history has killed only 900 people, despite being spread across hundreds of miles and multiple locations.

Worse, the disease burns out too quickly for real epidemic concerns. Its incubation period is only 21 days at most. And during this time, its not transmittable. Its only after one shows symptoms that its contagious.

And it kills folks *so fast* that this period lasts about 7 days. AIDS, without treatment, can last up to 2 years. For a disease to be a real killer it has to either be airborne, or have a vastly longer period of contagion. HIV isn't airborn, but its incubation period is up to 15 years....and you're contagious the entire time. Which might explain why AIDS kills about 1.3 million people a year. And the worst outbreak of Ebola in history has killed 900.

And finally, the survival rate of ebola is only 10% without treatment. With treatment its closer to 40%. And with a fully modern hospital, probably closer to 60%. So the 'extinction' issue you're lamenting about isn't an issue, even with the worst case scenario. Which isn't happening. So far we have ONE case in the US. And this guy is in isolation.

You genuinely don't have the slightest clue what you're talking about. The CDC in contrast, does.

Never before in human history during a serious epidemic have humans had the capacity — available to a large proportion of all humans — to travel significantly more rapidly than the development of deadly disease. Never before has a serious epidemic broken out when humans can move around the planet faster than the symptoms of disease can be noticed. And our modern mode of travel — unlike ships or trains or covered wagons — heavily concentrate infected people for hours at a time with other humans traveling from widely diverse points of origin to widely diverse destinations.

Alas, the kind of ignorant, irrational hysteria you're offering is remarkably common. Ebola isn't transmittable via air. Its only transmittable via bodily fluid. So you could sit next to someone with Ebola on a plane for 8 hours, and as long as they didn't vomit or bleed on you, you'd be fine.

There's a reason why the neither CDC nor the WHO is terribly concerned of a world wide epidemic: Ebola is actually quite hard to get. They're far more concerned about say, swine flu. Which is airborne. And has the potential to be much more dangerous due to its ease of transmission.

The incubation rate from exposure to illness with ebola is between 2-21 days. Isolated villiages in Africa and the quick onset have been the saving grace thusfar. If this illness reaches cities...well....we're done.

First off, during the incubation period, its non-transmittable. Its only after the disease has become symptomatic that its transmittable. And that lasts about 7 days.

Second, it hasn't been limited to 'isolated villages in Africa'. There are confirmed cases in Freetown, Sierra Leone (1.2 million), Monrovia (970,000), and Conakry (1.1 million). These are large cities with comparatively low standards of medical care. And still only 900 deaths, with a fatality rate of about 60%. Again, the disease is hard to transmit....and you're obviously clueless.

Third, the doctor that is now in the US is in complete isolation. The degree of isolation that would protect from even airborne transmission, which again Ebola can't do.

Fourth, we've had Ebola in the US for at least a decade....with no outbreak. Its clearly something we can handle in reasonable safety.

Remember, and this point is fundamental: you don't know what you're talking about.

We have a nuclear power plant and waste situation to monitor. With a 60-90% fatality rate, who will be left to babysit them?

We could recover as a society but can anyone who survives in a semi-neolithic existence monitor and keep radiation from killing anyone who was left as core after core melts down from lack of maintenance?

This isn't a Hollywood script. This is a real life, actual, no-nonsense scenario of what will happen if Ebola spreads.

Oh, your scenario quite imaginary. As your tale is predicated on your own ignorance of Ebola and its method of transmission. You imagine its airborne. You're wrong. You imagine that you can get it sitting next to someone in mass transit. You're wrong...unless the guy is vomitting on you. You imagine easy and quick transmission. You're wrong.

And instead of educating yourself, you rant ignorantly about nuclear meltdowns and extinction level events.....creating your own little Sharknado that has virtually nothing to do with the world we live in.

Thankfully, the CDC is far more informed than you are. And is making their decisions based on rational thinking and their assessment of the risks......not batshyte hysterics involving flying sharks and nuclear meltdowns.

 

[boedicca]

And rest assured - diseases NEVER mutate!

Never ever ever...so invite an Ebola victim to stay in your house; it's what Jeebus would do.

 

[Peach]

..But once the Ebola disease reaches more-modern cities, with mass transit, a catastrophic pandemic could spread quickly around the world. THIS COULD BE A NEAR EXTINCTION EVENT.

Oh, my. You're in full on hysteric drama queen mode. Your ignorance is actually a bit of a comfort on this one. As the risk is nothing like you've described.

First off, the disease isn't airborne. You only get the disease from contact with bodily fluid. An ebola victim would have to be vomiting on you to be contagious. Almost all trasmission of the disease is from people in direct contact, like caregivers....or more common, from family washing the body after death. Its a rather disease to get. Or to transmit. And the worst outbreak in human history has killed only 900 people, despite being spread across hundreds of miles and multiple locations.

Worse, the disease burns out too quickly for real epidemic concerns. Its incubation period is only 21 days at most. And during this time, its not transmittable. Its only after one shows symptoms that its contagious.

And it kills folks *so fast* that this period lasts about 7 days. AIDS, without treatment, can last up to 2 years. For a disease to be a real killer it has to either be airborne, or have a vastly longer period of contagion. HIV isn't airborn, but its incubation period is up to 15 years....and you're contagious the entire time. Which might explain why AIDS kills about 1.3 million people a year. And the worst outbreak of Ebola in history has killed 900.

And finally, the survival rate of ebola is only 10% without treatment. With treatment its closer to 40%. And with a fully modern hospital, probably closer to 60%. So the 'extinction' issue you're lamenting about isn't an issue, even with the worst case scenario. Which isn't happening. So far we have ONE case in the US. And this guy is in isolation.

You genuinely don't have the slightest clue what you're talking about. The CDC in contrast, does.

Never before in human history during a serious epidemic have humans had the capacity — available to a large proportion of all humans — to travel significantly more rapidly than the development of deadly disease. Never before has a serious epidemic broken out when humans can move around the planet faster than the symptoms of disease can be noticed. And our modern mode of travel — unlike ships or trains or covered wagons — heavily concentrate infected people for hours at a time with other humans traveling from widely diverse points of origin to widely diverse destinations.

Alas, the kind of ignorant, irrational hysteria you're offering is remarkably common. Ebola isn't transmittable via air. Its only transmittable via bodily fluid. So you could sit next to someone with Ebola on a plane for 8 hours, and as long as they didn't vomit or bleed on you, you'd be fine.

There's a reason why the neither CDC nor the WHO is terribly concerned of a world wide epidemic: Ebola is actually quite hard to get. They're far more concerned about say, swine flu. Which is airborne. And has the potential to be much more dangerous due to its ease of transmission.

The incubation rate from exposure to illness with ebola is between 2-21 days. Isolated villiages in Africa and the quick onset have been the saving grace thusfar. If this illness reaches cities...well....we're done.

First off, during the incubation period, its non-transmittable. Its only after the disease has become symptomatic that its transmittable. And that lasts about 7 days.

Second, it hasn't been limited to 'isolated villages in Africa'. There are confirmed cases in Freetown, Sierra Leone (1.2 million), Monrovia (970,000), and Conakry (1.1 million). These are large cities with comparatively low standards of medical care. And still only 900 deaths, with a fatality rate of about 60%. Again, the disease is hard to transmit....and you're obviously clueless.

Third, the doctor that is now in the US is in complete isolation. The degree of isolation that would protect from even airborne transmission, which again Ebola can't do.

Fourth, we've had Ebola in the US for at least a decade....with no outbreak. Its clearly something we can handle in reasonable safety.

Remember, and this point is fundamental: you don't know what you're talking about.

We have a nuclear power plant and waste situation to monitor. With a 60-90% fatality rate, who will be left to babysit them?

We could recover as a society but can anyone who survives in a semi-neolithic existence monitor and keep radiation from killing anyone who was left as core after core melts down from lack of maintenance?

This isn't a Hollywood script. This is a real life, actual, no-nonsense scenario of what will happen if Ebola spreads.

Oh, your scenario quite imaginary. As your tale is predicated on your own ignorance of Ebola and its method of transmission. You imagine its airborne. You're wrong. You imagine that you can get it sitting next to someone in mass transit. You're wrong...unless the guy is vomitting on you. You imagine easy and quick transmission. You're wrong.

And instead of educating yourself, you rant ignorantly about nuclear meltdowns and extinction level events.....creating your own little Sharknado that has virtually nothing to do with the world we live in.

Thankfully, the CDC is far more informed than you are. And is making their decisions based on rational thinking and their assessment of the risks......not batshyte hysterics involving flying sharks and nuclear meltdowns.

Science involves the possibility of error; without risk, there can be no advancement.

 

[hazlnut]

The Dr. has a name --Dr. Kent Brantly.

And he's done more with his life than the OP ever will.

A brave man, a self-sacrificing hero.

 

[Peach]

And rest assured - diseases NEVER mutate!

Never ever ever...so invite an Ebola victim to stay in your house; it's what Jeebus would do.

No, the purpose of patients being in the US is to receive the best chance of recovery; that includes quarantine and resources only available in the top hospitals. Emory has been for a chance, and I have not heard of any mass resignations. I trust US medical care over any in the world, our ingeinuity and spirit make me proud to be an American, and very thankful.

 

[Skylar]

And now for an update that's sure to infuriate our 'nuclear meltdown and flying sharks' hysterics:

Writebol is weak but shows signs of improvement, said Bruce Johnson, president of SIM USA, the aid group with which she was working. Johnson said he had spoken with her husband, David Writebol, about her condition.

“A week ago, we were thinking about making funeral arrangements for Nancy,” David Writebol said in a statement read by Johnson at a news conference. “Now we have a real reason to be hopeful.”

Brantly’s wife, Amber, released this statement Tuesday afternoon:

“I have been able to see Kent every day, and he continues to improve. I am thankful for the professionalism and kindness of Dr. [Bruce] Ribner and his team at Emory University Hospital. I know that Kent is receiving the very best medical treatment available.

“I am also thrilled to see that Nancy arrived safely in Atlanta today. Our families are united in our faith in Jesus, and we will walk through this recovery time together.

“Please continue to pray for Kent, Nancy and the people of Liberia.”

Brantly, 33, who is with North Carolina-based Samaritan’s Purse, arrived in Atlanta Saturday and walked, with assistance, into the hospital.

Read more here: 2nd aid worker with Ebola arrives in Atlanta; doctor improving | Fort Worth | News from ...

Great news! Here's hoping they both pull through.

 

[Dude111]

The first and second options on the poll ARE QUITE TRUE!!!!!!!

 

[Skylar]

And rest assured - diseases NEVER mutate!

Never ever ever...so invite an Ebola victim to stay in your house; it's what Jeebus would do.

We've been through this, Bodica. The strain of ebola this man has is a known quantity. And it's not airborne, still only transmits via bodily fluids, and is still only contagious while the victim is symptomatic. Better still, he's in a degree of isolation so extreme that even airborn pathogens would be caught and transmission prevented.

If your fantasies about 'mutation' are a serious concern for you, then you'd be much more afraid of say, influenza.

The 1918 flu pandemic (January 1918 – December 1920) was an unusually deadly influenza pandemic, the first of the two pandemics involving H1N1 influenza virus. It infected 500 million people across the world, including remote Pacific islands and the Arctic, and killed 50 to 100 million of them—three to five percent of the world's population —making it one of the deadliest natural disasters in human history.

As the influenza virus is already here. But you haven't made a peep. Demonstrating your laughably ignorance of either the 'most elementary principles of epidemiology' or your comic ignorance of history. Or both.

Either way, the CDC isn't ignorant of either. And I put far more credence in their assessment of the risk involved than I ever would yours.

As would any rational person. As you simply have no idea what you're talking about.

 

[Skylar]

The first and second options on the poll ARE QUITE TRUE!!!!!!!

No they are not, Dude. Ebola is already here. We've been studying it for over a decade. If it was as dangerous and uncontrollable as the OP assumes, then we'd have long since had our outbreak.

We never did. Ebola isn't airborne, it only transmittable via contact with bodily fluids, and the man in question is in isolation so complete that even if the disease were airborne (which it isn't), it couldn't be transmitted.

The 'nuclear meltdown' scenario is idiocy so profound that such reactions are going to be punchlines in jokes on the scale of the Y2K doomsaying chicken littles. And I'll be laughing at your ilk as hard as anyone.

 

[Peach]

And now for an update that's sure to infuriate our 'nuclear meltdown and flying sharks' hysterics:

Writebol is weak but shows signs of improvement, said Bruce Johnson, president of SIM USA, the aid group with which she was working. Johnson said he had spoken with her husband, David Writebol, about her condition.

“A week ago, we were thinking about making funeral arrangements for Nancy,” David Writebol said in a statement read by Johnson at a news conference. “Now we have a real reason to be hopeful.”

Brantly’s wife, Amber, released this statement Tuesday afternoon:

“I have been able to see Kent every day, and he continues to improve. I am thankful for the professionalism and kindness of Dr. [Bruce] Ribner and his team at Emory University Hospital. I know that Kent is receiving the very best medical treatment available.

“I am also thrilled to see that Nancy arrived safely in Atlanta today. Our families are united in our faith in Jesus, and we will walk through this recovery time together.

“Please continue to pray for Kent, Nancy and the people of Liberia.”

Brantly, 33, who is with North Carolina-based Samaritan’s Purse, arrived in Atlanta Saturday and walked, with assistance, into the hospital.

Read more here: 2nd aid worker with Ebola arrives in Atlanta; doctor improving | Fort Worth | News from ...

Great news! Here's hoping they both pull through.

Welcome home to this brave American!

 

[Peach]

The first and second options on the poll ARE QUITE TRUE!!!!!!!

No they are not, Dude. Ebola is already here. We've been studying it for over a decade. If it was as dangerous and uncontrollable as the OP assumes, then we'd have long since had our outbreak.

We never did. Ebola isn't airborne, it only transmittable via contact with bodily fluids, and the man in question is in isolation so complete that even if the disease were airborne (which it isn't), it couldn't be transmitted.

The 'nuclear meltdown' scenario is idiocy so profound that such reactions are going to be punchlines in jokes on the scale of the Y2K doomsaying chicken littles. And I'll be laughing at your ilk as hard as anyone.

MAPP used segments to develop the serum, its here already. Maybe in some warm, moist woods.....until the timber is cut................

 

[Silhouette]

No they are not, Dude. Ebola is already here. We've been studying it for over a decade. If it was as dangerous and uncontrollable as the OP assumes, then we'd have long since had our outbreak.

We never did. Ebola isn't airborne, it only transmittable via contact with bodily fluids, and the man in question is in isolation so complete that even if the disease were airborne (which it isn't), it couldn't be transmitted.

The 'nuclear meltdown' scenario is idiocy so profound that such reactions are going to be punchlines in jokes on the scale of the Y2K doomsaying chicken littles. And I'll be laughing at your ilk as hard as anyone.

One epidemic, one tornado, one hurricane, one tsunami....

...And the "joke" won't be so funny will it? Ask the folks around Fukushima. Really, if an epidemic hits, who tends the nuclear plants forever? [Plutonium has a 240,000 year deadly radiation]

 

[Dude111]

They want this to spread!!!

Its very scary guys!

 

[Silhouette]

They want this to spread!!!

Its very scary guys!

I highly doubt that they want it to spread. It's just that narcissists and a narcissist nation that fancies itself impervious to peril is not who should be deciding whether or not to bring 90% fatal, rapid-symptomatic ebola to the New World without consulting the other regions in it. [Canada, Central & South America].. WE may be able in the short term to handle a live case of ebola but Mexico? Ecuador? Brazil?

 

[Unkotare]

The US doesn't answer to Canada or Latin America, headcase.


Since you're so scared, maybe you should unilaterally evacuate the US. Hurry, every second counts!

 

[Silhouette]

The US doesn't answer to Canada or Latin America, headcase.


Since you're so scared, maybe you should unilaterally evacuate the US. Hurry, every second counts!

So, shithead, in the spirit of equality, maybe Ecuador should import some ebola patients without answering to the US?

 

[Skylar]

No they are not, Dude. Ebola is already here. We've been studying it for over a decade. If it was as dangerous and uncontrollable as the OP assumes, then we'd have long since had our outbreak.

We never did. Ebola isn't airborne, it only transmittable via contact with bodily fluids, and the man in question is in isolation so complete that even if the disease were airborne (which it isn't), it couldn't be transmitted.

The 'nuclear meltdown' scenario is idiocy so profound that such reactions are going to be punchlines in jokes on the scale of the Y2K doomsaying chicken littles. And I'll be laughing at your ilk as hard as anyone.

One epidemic, one tornado, one hurricane, one tsunami....

...And the "joke" won't be so funny will it? Ask the folks around Fukushima. Really, if an epidemic hits, who tends the nuclear plants forever? [Plutonium has a 240,000 year deadly radiation]

Sorry, chicken little...but you already blinked. You already demonstrated that you don't know what you're talking about. You were laughably wrong on the method of transmission, you were wrong on its rate of transmission, you were wrong on the nature of the outbreaks, you were wrong ebola being brought to the US with the doctor. Its been here for more than a decade....and nothing.

Your entire panty shitting scenario of naked hysteria is based on your ignorance. With virtually no assumption you've offered us actually playing out in reality.

Ebola remains a disease that is only transmitted via body fluids. An ebola victim would have to vomit or bleed on you to infect you. Rendering your 'mass transit' fantasy mindless fearmongering. You could sit right next to a person with Ebola for an 8 hour flight....and as long as they don't vomit, shit or bleed on you, you'd be fine.

You simply don't know what you're talking about.

 

[Skylar]

The US doesn't answer to Canada or Latin America, headcase.


Since you're so scared, maybe you should unilaterally evacuate the US. Hurry, every second counts!

So, shithead, in the spirit of equality, maybe Ecuador should import some ebola patients without answering to the US?

...maybe you could inform yourself on the nature of the disease to a degree sufficient to discuss it intelligently?

Again, we've had ebola in the US for over a decade. We didn't inform Ecuador or anyone else, as there was neither need nor obligation. The entire premise of your 'Ecuador' babble is just you imagining some 'fast rule' that has never existed to justify an argument that has never worked.

Try again.