Dobbs offers states a right to impose successful white European Catholic sexual behavior on women or stay out of it.

[WinterBorn]

Does the OP not understand we were founded as a Christian nation?

The US Constitution disagrees with you on that.

 

[WinterBorn]

We were founded as a Christian nation.

"In God we trust"

"One nation under God"

The youngest founding father to sign the US Constitution was Jonathon Dayton. He was 26 when he signed.

Jonathon Dayton would have been 194 when Eisenhower put "...under God" into the Pledge of Allegience in 1954. And 196 when "In God We Trust" was put on the money.

Both of those phrases were put into place in the 1950s to combat the Red Menace. The founding fathers went out of their way to make sure we were not a Christian nation, but one that welcomed all faiths.

 

[whitehall]

Ohio democrats scored the victory in the polls to kill their unborn children while smoking dope. Let it go lefties, there is no reason to bring European Catholic dogma into the argument.

 

[Libby von H]

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It is not the argument, it’s the thirteen centuries or so of allegedly successful White European Christian behavior the petitioners to the court on Dobbs were seeking to impose on modern American women according to Saint Ding of Schlafly Nation in the following post.

dvng.22.01.27-#617 I don’t see how that changes the fact that we were founded as a Christian nation based upon Christian values and principles. Not religious dogma per se but the successful behaviors which Western Civilization was built upon.​

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Is there anyone here who have expressed a conclusion that Dobbs has nothing to do with religion who can make a case that the Queen of Republican white Christian Family Values and nationalism was not religiously motivated to oppose abortion rights for her entire life.

Phyllis Schlafly endorsed Trump in 2015. She served up white Evangelicals and right wing Catholic voters to Trump probably givinh the man with shitty family values the real opportunity to become POTUS.

Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump used a brief address before the funeral Mass to paint himself as the heir to the values of the Eagle Forum, which Schlafly founded in 1972.​

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I think on this statement of yours most liberals would disagree with you.
A thing can be right even if Hitler said it, and a thing can be wrong even if a saint says it.

Dobbs returns things to the state level which was overwhelmingly Pro-life before Feds overpowered the States

You are wrong on the science, the law, and your reasoning contradicts itself

SCIENCE
The scientific and medical answer as to whether a prenatal life qualifies as a distinct human being had been available for over a century at the time of Roe. See infra notes 77–81 and accompanying text. Dr. Patten of Michigan Medical School writes in his 1964 Foundations of Embryology, “The union of two such sex cells to form a zygote constitutes the process of fertilization and initiates the life of a new individual.” BRADLEY M. PATTEN, FOUNDATIONS OF EMBRYOLOGY 3 (1964). Drs. Greenhill and Friedman write in their 1974 obstetrical textbook, “The term conception refers to the union of the male and female pronuclear elements of procreation from which a new living being develops . . . [T]he zygote thus formed represents the beginning of a new life.” J.P. GREENHILL & EMANUEL A. FRIEDMAN, BIOLOGICAL PRINCIPLES AND MODERN PRACTICE OF OBSTETRICS 17, 23 (1974). As Dr. Mathews-Roth of Harvard University Medical School later said, “t is incorrect to say that biological data cannot be decisive . . . it is scientifically correct to say that an individual human life begins at conception . . . and that this developing human always is a member of our species in all stages of its life.”

LAW
the original meaning of “person” in the Fourteenth Amendment
.By the time of the Fourteenth Amendment’s adoption, “nearly every state had criminal legislation proscribing abortion,”65 and most of these statutes were classified among “offenses against the person.”66 The original public meaning of the term “person” thus incontestably included prenatal life. Indeed, “there can be no doubt whatsoever that the word ‘person’ referred to the fetus.”67In twenty-three states and six territories, laws referred to the preborn individual as a “child"

Plus the filthy posts bespeak hate in most people.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Dobbs also allows the voters to force the state to recognized reasonably regulated abortion regulations with which 70% of America agrees.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

lo and behold Saint Libbyvonh in POST lbbyvnh.23.11.11 #47 cutteth and pasteth and sayeth no more:

(1964). Drs. Greenhill and Friedman write in their 1974 obstetrical textbook, “The term conception refers to the union of the male and female pronuclear elements of procreation from which a new living being develops . . . [T]he zygote thus formed represents the beginning of a new life.

NotfooledbyW said: True religious freedom means that people seeking essential reproductive rights care are able to make decisions based on their own beliefs and circumstances, not the religious views of whichever majority might be voted into power giving those politicians the power to make health and family planning decisions a function of the government, not individuals in the privacy of their homes and doctors offices. nf.22.07.18 #2,352

 

[HeyNorm]

Cracks me up!

The state can only force full term gestation on men.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

We were founded as a Christian nation.

"In God we trust"

"One nation under God"

We were a nominal nation of Christians (90% were unchurched) that founded a secular government.

 

[ding]

lo and behold Saint Libbyvonh in POST lbbyvnh.23.11.11 #47 cutteth and pasteth and sayeth no more:

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Saint ding disagreed with this.

NotfooledbyW said: True religious freedom means that people seeking essential reproductive rights care are able to make decisions based on their own beliefs and circumstances, not the religious views of whichever majority might be voted into power giving those politicians the power to make health and family planning decisions a function of the government, not individuals in the privacy of their homes and doctors offices. nf.22.07.18 #2,352

Saint Dvng had not explained why or what is not agreeable.

 

[HeyNorm]

Saint ding disagreed with this.

NotfooledbyW said: True religious freedom means that people seeking essential reproductive rights care are able to make decisions based on their own beliefs and circumstances, not the religious views of whichever majority might be voted into power giving those politicians the power to make health and family planning decisions a function of the government, not individuals in the privacy of their homes and doctors offices. nf.22.07.18 #2,352

Saint Dvng had not explained why or what is not agreeable.

It seems the only folks wailing about reproductive rights are those to stupid not to use birth control in the first place.

 

[ding]

Saint ding disagreed with this.

NotfooledbyW said: True religious freedom means that people seeking essential reproductive rights care are able to make decisions based on their own beliefs and circumstances, not the religious views of whichever majority might be voted into power giving those politicians the power to make health and family planning decisions a function of the government, not individuals in the privacy of their homes and doctors offices. nf.22.07.18 #2,352

Saint Dvng had not explained why or what is not agreeable.

More like I showed what level you debate at.

 

[WinterBorn]

It seems the only folks wailing about reproductive rights are those to stupid not to use birth control in the first place.

I will happily concede your point, as you as you give us the name of a birth control methos that is 100% effective.

 

[ding]

I will happily concede your point, as you as you give us the name of a birth control methos that is 100% effective.

Abortion

 

[Libby von H]

Dobbs also allows the voters to force the state to recognized reasonably regulated abortion regulations with which 70% of America agrees.

Oh, what a silly post....as if disagreement over taking a human life is controversial but 'reasonable' and 'regulated' is no problem at all. !!
What a silly post. This is like Hillary's abortion should be "RARE"
Have NEVER seen her support anything for women who want their child.

John, where is RARE in "Approximately 860,000 abortions were performed in 2017, rising to about 930,000 in 2020."

 

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lennypartiv said: Let's hope these predictions come true. We need something to save America. These dark connections need to be exposed.​

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---In the message posted on Monday, Green said God indicated he would "expose" these connections to the White House, which she said involves "the Red Dragon" [seemingly China], Iran, Iraq, Ukraine and Canada.---MSN​

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lennypartiv said: Does the OP not understand we were founded as a Christian nation?​

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Do you have any historically recorded reality that the United States’ foundation was ordained by the Judeo Christian God who has a Son named Jesus who you have to believe gave his life by dying on a cross to save you Saint Lennypartiv from this thing called original sin, and if you don’t believe Jesus saves humans from original sin you will burn in hell for all eternity.

I cannot find anything about that God or any of His Holy brand of Christianity in the Declaration of Independence or the US Constitution.

Membership In America Percentage of population that belongs to a church: 1776 17% 1850 34 1860 37 1870 35 1890 45 1906 51 1916 53 1926 56 195259 1980 62 1995 65* *Estimated. Source: "The Churching of America: 1776-1990" by Roger Finke and Rodney Stark and Gallup Organization data“

The US has never been or is now a Christian Nation just because it has a Christian majority since 1906.

No American has any obligation or duty to believe in original sin and that only a belief in Jesus Christ as Son of God will your sins be forgiven by God.

It’s a BIG LIE that America was founded as a Christian Nation.

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Religious Affiliation # of signers % of signers Episcopalian/Anglican 32​ 57.1%​ Congregationalist 13​ 23.2%​ Presbyterian 12​ 21.4%​ Quaker 2​ 3.6%​ Unitarian or Universalist 2​ 3.6%​ Catholic 1​ 1.8%​ TOTAL 56​ 100%​

Name of Signer State Religious Affiliation Charles Carroll Maryland Catholic Samuel Huntington Connecticut Congregationalist Roger Sherman Connecticut Congregationalist William Williams Connecticut Congregationalist Oliver Wolcott Connecticut Congregationalist Lyman Hall Georgia Congregationalist Samuel Adams Massachusetts Congregationalist John Hancock Massachusetts Congregationalist Josiah Bartlett New Hampshire Congregationalist William Whipple New Hampshire Congregationalist William Ellery Rhode Island Congregationalist John Adams Massachusetts Congregationalist; Unitarian Robert Treat Paine Massachusetts Congregationalist; Unitarian George Walton Georgia Episcopalian John Penn North Carolina Episcopalian George Ross Pennsylvania Episcopalian Thomas Heyward Jr. South Carolina Episcopalian Thomas Lynch Jr. South Carolina Episcopalian Arthur Middleton South Carolina Episcopalian Edward Rutledge South Carolina Episcopalian Francis Lightfoot Lee Virginia Episcopalian Richard Henry Lee Virginia Episcopalian George Read Delaware Episcopalian Caesar Rodney Delaware Episcopalian Samuel Chase Maryland Episcopalian William Paca Maryland Episcopalian Thomas Stone Maryland Episcopalian Elbridge Gerry Massachusetts Episcopalian Francis Hopkinson New Jersey Episcopalian Francis Lewis New York Episcopalian Lewis Morris New York Episcopalian William Hooper North Carolina Episcopalian Robert Morris Pennsylvania Episcopalian John Morton Pennsylvania Episcopalian Stephen Hopkins Rhode Island Episcopalian Carter Braxton Virginia Episcopalian Benjamin Harrison Virginia Episcopalian Thomas Nelson Jr. Virginia Episcopalian George Wythe Virginia Episcopalian Thomas Jefferson Virginia Episcopalian (Deist) Benjamin Franklin Pennsylvania Episcopalian (Deist) Button Gwinnett Georgia Episcopalian; Congregationalist James Wilson Pennsylvania Episcopalian; Presbyterian Joseph Hewes North Carolina Quaker, Episcopalian George Clymer Pennsylvania Quaker, Episcopalian Thomas McKean Delaware Presbyterian Matthew Thornton New Hampshire Presbyterian Abraham Clark New Jersey Presbyterian John Hart New Jersey Presbyterian Richard Stockton New Jersey Presbyterian John Witherspoon New Jersey Presbyterian William Floyd New York Presbyterian Philip Livingston New York Presbyterian James Smith Pennsylvania Presbyterian George Taylor Pennsylvania Presbyterian Benjamin Rush Pennsylvania Presbyterian

 

[WinterBorn]

Abortion

At least some will be because of the failure of other birth control.

 

[HeyNorm]

I will happily concede your point, as you as you give us the name of a birth control methos that is 100% effective.

Abstainance is proven 100%. Effective as is abortion.

Only the woman has complete control of the second. If she doesn’t avail herself of it, her choice, her responsibility

 

[WinterBorn]

Abstainance is proven 100%. Effective as is abortion.

Only the woman has complete control of the second. If she doesn’t avail herself of it, her choice, her responsibility

And abstinence is such an effective means of birth control. Yes, abstaining from sex will prevent pregnancy. But preventing sex is far more difficult.

 

[HeyNorm]

And abstinence is such an effective means of birth control. Yes, abstaining from sex will prevent pregnancy. But preventing sex is far more difficult.

Not my circus, not my clowns.

As we’ve heard for years in the abortion debate, having intercourse should not obligate a woman to become a mother, right? Equally, it cannot obligate the male either.