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Do you want a dead daughter or a live son?': Crossroads sermon spurs anti-transphobia protest

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Which counters the thou shall not kill commandment.
The inconsistences in the Bible, Torah and Quran are there because the writers were human and as we know, humans are prone to error and inconsistency and thus the writings are flawed and the rules they create sometimes conflict. Also, in the case of the Torah and Bible, they were written prior to even the Dark Ages and the Quran was written during the Dark Ages. Humans were primitive and very superstitious creatures and still can be. No deity told them what to write. They just wanted "rules" for people to obey to have some form of order out of chaos.
Jesus was just a man, no son of a deity, even though the Christians consider him as such. Muhammad was no prophet. Although he was a murderer, even though his followers tend to in some ways, treat him as though he was a deity (don't depict and image of him, say, "peace be upon him," whenever talking about him), calling him the perfect human.
In my opinion, all of it's absurd and needs to end.
 

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He should have said "Do you want a daughter with tits and a dick"instead.
Why are expectant parents given such strange "choices" whether to let their child live or not or whether to raise a child as a boy or girl, or whether to have a baby boy circumcised or castrated like a choir boy, or to perform ritualistic female genital mutilation on a baby girl?

NOW? PP? NARAL? AFL-CIO? Teamsters? Is that where you get your health care from?
 

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What ever gays or transgender do, leave the children alone. Let them grow up. They may grow into or out of, leave them be.
 

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The inconsistences in the Bible, Torah and Quran are there because the writers were human and as we know, humans are prone to error and inconsistency and thus the writings are flawed and the rules they create sometimes conflict. Also, in the case of the Torah and Bible, they were written prior to even the Dark Ages and the Quran was written during the Dark Ages. Humans were primitive and very superstitious creatures and still can be. No deity told them what to write. They just wanted "rules" for people to obey to have some form of order out of chaos.
Jesus was just a man, no son of a deity, even though the Christians consider him as such. Muhammad was no prophet. Although he was a murderer, even though his followers tend to in some ways, treat him as though he was a deity (don't depict and image of him, say, "peace be upon him," whenever talking about him), calling him the perfect human.
In my opinion, all of it's absurd and needs to end.
The inconsistencies in the Bible is because it is written by many different people each speaking from their own perspective.
 

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A guest speaker gave a sermon at Crossroads in Oakley last Sunday. This Sunday, a protest is planned outside the megachurch.

On July 18, David Mahan, the director of policy with Center for Christian Virtue, spoke at Crossroads about gender identity and gender transitioning. His message was met with a standing ovation from some, while others walked out upset.

Mahan said his message wasn't coming from a place of hate but a desire to encourage the congregation to stand up to policies that are hurting children

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One thing i find funny is how people talk about a church being welcoming, If you think they are welcoming, then ask them about their stance on LGBT people and see how welcoming they truly are.

I find that quite normal and I'll bet he was a Republican. He should preach everywhere to expose what bigots they are. I'd like to meet him.
 

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Preachers often sermonize what the congregations want to hear instead of what they need to hear. (They only preach because they are popular)

What the congregation doesn't want to hear is that they are horrible people that know the truth but can't live it and the evidence of that is in their children. Gender dysphoria is a societal pressure and poor parenting problem. They are supposed to be the best but are some of the worst parents with the most resources available. You can say that you love your kids but your actions speak louder than the words you use.

And there is the Crux of the issue.
 

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Preachers often sermonize what the congregations want to hear instead of what they need to hear. (They only preach because they are popular)

What the congregation doesn't want to hear is that they are horrible people that know the truth but can't live it and the evidence of that is in their children. Gender dysphoria is a societal pressure and poor parenting problem. They are supposed to be the best but are some of the worst parents with the most resources available. You can say that you love your kids but your actions speak louder than the words you use.

And there is the Crux of the issue.
A girl who is raised as a boy will only be made fun of, teased and tormented by other girls in school. The boys who see a boy who isn't really a boy just want butt.
 

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We're not child molesters.
Yeah, sure....when the church and BSA were forced into accepting Queers/Fags into their system, it was just a matter of time when those deviants started diddling with young boys. Now do US all a favor go to your local Mosque and ask for forgiveness.


 

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Yeah, sure....when the church and BSA were forced into accepting Queers/Fags into their system, it was just a matter of time when those deviants started diddling with young boys. Now do US all a favor go to your local Mosque and ask for forgiveness.


With the resettlement of Afghans we are about to write a whole new chapter in the rape of young boys.
 

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The inconsistencies in the Bible is because it is written by many different people each speaking from their own perspective.
Exactly, the entire collection of so-called holy books were written by people, each with their own ideas, no deity involved at all, just a way to get people to behave in certain ways and obey the writers.
 
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Yeah, sure....when the church and BSA were forced into accepting Queers/Fags into their system, it was just a matter of time when those deviants started diddling with young boys. Now do US all a favor go to your local Mosque and ask for forgiveness.




Actually you're wrong.

LGBT kicked pedos out.


Gay Groups Try to Put Distance Between Themselves and Pedophile Group​



WASHINGTON (AP) _ The gay community has long allowed other sexual outcasts to ride its coattails, from transvestites and transsexuals to bisexuals and leather fetishists. But it is now trying to distance itself from pedophiles.

Last month, a New York group called Stonewall 25 voted to bar the controversial North American Man-Boy Love Association from its international march on the United Nations on June 26. The demonstration will commemorate the 25th anniversary of an uprising at the Stonewall Inn, a Greenwich Village gay bar.

″Those who advocate or engage in sexual abuse of young people are not welcome in the family of gay men and lesbians who live upstanding and honorable lives,″ said Pat Norman, a co-chair of the march.

The gay community has historically been inconsistent in its response to pedophiles, leaving itself open to attack.

In January, the Senate unanimously passed an amendment, introduced by Sen. Jesse Helms, R-N.C., to sharply reduce funds to the United Nations unless it severs ties with the International Lesbian and Gay Association. Helms objected to the association’s relationship to NAMBLA, one of about 350 groups that belong to ILGA.

Helms said the United States was ″fast asleep at the switch″ when it joined other nations in voting last year to give consultative status to ILGA in the U.N. Economic and Social Council.

The council is a 54-nation body that studies economic and social issues and makes non-binding recommendations to the U.N. General Assembly on such topics as human rights, the status of women, population, social welfare, crime and other issues

David Smith, a spokesman for the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force, a Washington lobby, accused the religious right of trying to link homosexuality to pedophilia to serve its ″twisted interests.″

″It’s very clear that every major U.S. gay leader has condemned NAMBLA and condemned groups that promote pedophilia,″ he said.

But he acknowledged disagreement among gay leaders about NAMBLA’s presence at gay events. For example, the annual gay pride march in Los Angeles excludes NAMBLA, but the marches in New York and San Francisco have allowed it to participate.

″There’s an argument in the community that if you start with excluding NAMBLA, who’s next?″ he said. ″I disagree.″

Gay leaders say ILGA is being attacked unfairly, and that the association has been trying to expel NAMBLA.

″To conflate pedophilia with homosexuality is an old, old trick,″ said Julie Dorf, executive director of the International Gay and Lesbian Human Rights Commission, a member of ILGA.

Hans Hjerpekjon, secretary-general of the Brussels-based ILGA, said NAMBLA joined the association about 15 years ago, when it was a loose network with no rules for admission. Hjerpekjon said many in ILGA would like to see NAMBLA expelled but the group cannot take up a resolution to oust a member until its next meeting, in July in New York.

″Under our constitution, there will have to be an 80 percent vote in favor of expelling the group,″ he said in an interview from Norway. ″And of course, that can be hard to obtain on any issue, but our intention certainly is to expell them and I am hopeful we will reach that goal.″

Hjerpekjon said ILGA has been concerned about its association with NAMBLA since the late 1980s and has urged the group to resign. In 1990, at the behest of member organizations from Scandinavia, Australia and New Zealand, ILGA adopted a resolution denouncing pedophilia, he said.

″I guess the groups, especially the Norwegian group who had been working to get this resolution passed, thought it would be self-evident that NAMBLA and people who thought likewise would resign,″ Hjerpekjon said.

But they did not.

Clinton Anderson, officer for lesbian and gay concerns at the American Psychological Association, said pedophile groups have been tolerated by the gay community because, like the public at large, many grew up hearing the stereotypes about gays ″recruiting″ children.

″I think it probably affects gay and lesbian people as much as anybody else,″ he said. But, ″I think that the gay community has come to realize that the common misconception isn’t true.″

Anderson said psychological researchers have found that convicted sexual abusers of children frequently ″cannot be characterized as having an adult sexual orientation at all.″

″Of those people who seem to have had enough experience as adults to have an adult sexual orientation in addition to pedophilia, as adults they were primarily heterosexual,″ he said.

 

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Actually you're wrong.

LGBT kicked pedos out.


Gay Groups Try to Put Distance Between Themselves and Pedophile Group​



WASHINGTON (AP) _ The gay community has long allowed other sexual outcasts to ride its coattails, from transvestites and transsexuals to bisexuals and leather fetishists. But it is now trying to distance itself from pedophiles.

Last month, a New York group called Stonewall 25 voted to bar the controversial North American Man-Boy Love Association from its international march on the United Nations on June 26. The demonstration will commemorate the 25th anniversary of an uprising at the Stonewall Inn, a Greenwich Village gay bar.

″Those who advocate or engage in sexual abuse of young people are not welcome in the family of gay men and lesbians who live upstanding and honorable lives,″ said Pat Norman, a co-chair of the march.

The gay community has historically been inconsistent in its response to pedophiles, leaving itself open to attack.

In January, the Senate unanimously passed an amendment, introduced by Sen. Jesse Helms, R-N.C., to sharply reduce funds to the United Nations unless it severs ties with the International Lesbian and Gay Association. Helms objected to the association’s relationship to NAMBLA, one of about 350 groups that belong to ILGA.

Helms said the United States was ″fast asleep at the switch″ when it joined other nations in voting last year to give consultative status to ILGA in the U.N. Economic and Social Council.

The council is a 54-nation body that studies economic and social issues and makes non-binding recommendations to the U.N. General Assembly on such topics as human rights, the status of women, population, social welfare, crime and other issues

David Smith, a spokesman for the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force, a Washington lobby, accused the religious right of trying to link homosexuality to pedophilia to serve its ″twisted interests.″

″It’s very clear that every major U.S. gay leader has condemned NAMBLA and condemned groups that promote pedophilia,″ he said.

But he acknowledged disagreement among gay leaders about NAMBLA’s presence at gay events. For example, the annual gay pride march in Los Angeles excludes NAMBLA, but the marches in New York and San Francisco have allowed it to participate.

″There’s an argument in the community that if you start with excluding NAMBLA, who’s next?″ he said. ″I disagree.″

Gay leaders say ILGA is being attacked unfairly, and that the association has been trying to expel NAMBLA.

″To conflate pedophilia with homosexuality is an old, old trick,″ said Julie Dorf, executive director of the International Gay and Lesbian Human Rights Commission, a member of ILGA.

Hans Hjerpekjon, secretary-general of the Brussels-based ILGA, said NAMBLA joined the association about 15 years ago, when it was a loose network with no rules for admission. Hjerpekjon said many in ILGA would like to see NAMBLA expelled but the group cannot take up a resolution to oust a member until its next meeting, in July in New York.

″Under our constitution, there will have to be an 80 percent vote in favor of expelling the group,″ he said in an interview from Norway. ″And of course, that can be hard to obtain on any issue, but our intention certainly is to expell them and I am hopeful we will reach that goal.″

Hjerpekjon said ILGA has been concerned about its association with NAMBLA since the late 1980s and has urged the group to resign. In 1990, at the behest of member organizations from Scandinavia, Australia and New Zealand, ILGA adopted a resolution denouncing pedophilia, he said.

″I guess the groups, especially the Norwegian group who had been working to get this resolution passed, thought it would be self-evident that NAMBLA and people who thought likewise would resign,″ Hjerpekjon said.

But they did not.

Clinton Anderson, officer for lesbian and gay concerns at the American Psychological Association, said pedophile groups have been tolerated by the gay community because, like the public at large, many grew up hearing the stereotypes about gays ″recruiting″ children.

″I think it probably affects gay and lesbian people as much as anybody else,″ he said. But, ″I think that the gay community has come to realize that the common misconception isn’t true.″

Anderson said psychological researchers have found that convicted sexual abusers of children frequently ″cannot be characterized as having an adult sexual orientation at all.″

″Of those people who seem to have had enough experience as adults to have an adult sexual orientation in addition to pedophilia, as adults they were primarily heterosexual,″ he said.

Sure they did, because of the queers who dabbled in young kids, it made the whole LBGTQWXYZ123 look bad, and just like the progressive party, they go underground to make it seem that their actions arent as bad...We know better.
 
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Sure they did, because of the queers who dabbled in young kids, it made the whole LBGTQWXYZ123 look bad, and just like the progressive party, they go underground to make it seem that their actions arent as bad...We know better.


I think most child predators are mostly straight or seem that way in that they seem mostly men who rape young girls or female teachers who rape boys.
 

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I think most child predators are mostly straight or seem that way in that they seem mostly men who rape young girls or female teachers who rape boys.
Hmmm, Catholic Church doing boys, Boy Scout of America doing boys. Your argument just went out the door..
 

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I think most child predators are mostly straight or seem that way in that they seem mostly men who rape young girls or female teachers who rape boys.
Nope...
Prepubescent children are often the victims of same sex....boys moreso than girls.

Budding pubescent and beyond it shifts back because of the volume. (And primarily by family members)
 
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Nope...
Prepubescent children are often the victims of same sex....boys moreso than girls.

Budding pubescent and beyond it shifts back because of the volume. (And primarily by family members)


I think most child predators are often among family members, than strangers.



I sure hope,if you have children, that you are watching them around your uncles,brothers,nephews and such.


 
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I think most child predators are often among family members, than strangers.



I sure hope,if you have children, that you are watching them around your uncles,brothers,nephews and such.


My son is grown...engaged to be married.

Ex wife is a social worker. I heard the stories. The ones usually not told are those single women who have chemical dependency issues. They usually are targets because of both themselves and any children in their homes. "Get the mamma stoned, pop in a porno and have a party with everyone there". Absolutely disgusting!

I tossed the guy who said that out of the homeless mission...I asked the administration for forgiveness for my behavior because I didn't have much for that guy. (My letting him live was forgiveness enough in my book)
 

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