And to put an end to this idea he was a liberal:
New chance for America to regain her greatness W 7
Time to stop living in denial.
Er..that doesn't make him a conservative, you moron. Do you even know what "conservative" means? It's not this (Golden Dawn):
"Scholars and media have described it as
neo-Nazi[9][10][11] and
fascist,
[12][13][14] though the group rejects these labels.
[15] Members have expressed admiration of the former Greek dictator
Ioannis Metaxas of the
4th of August Regime (1936–1941).
[16] They have also made use of
Nazi symbolism, and have praised figures of
Nazi Germany in the past.
[17][18][19] According to academic sources, the group is
racist and
xenophobic,
[20][21] while the party's leader has openly identified it as nationalist and racist.
[22]
"Michaloliakos began the foundations of what would become Golden Dawn in 1980, when he published the first issue of the right-wing, pro-military junta journal with that name. In this context Golden Dawn had its origins in the movement that worked towards a return to
right-wing military dictatorship in Greece.
Golden Dawn first received widespread attention in 1991, and in 1993 registered as a political party. "
That's not "conservative" by any stretch of the imagination. If you think it is, you are hampered by an inadequate vocabulary and education.
Golden Dawn political party - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
Ahh, yes. You accuse me of not knowing what conservatism is, yet you think fascism is a left wing thing. DO you even know what fascism is? Inherently fascism is right. Hitler was a Right Wing Socialist. I suggest you delve more into political science before lecturing me.
And if you think I have somehow morphed into a liberal or a Democrat, you are very sorely mistaken. I am a libertarian because of idiots like you, and idiots who jump to extreme conclusions about one side or the other based on the actions of their fringe members.
Value based judgements are the most intellectually dishonest things I have ever heard. That's why I stopped making them.
Here you go...try to learn what fascism, communism and nazism are....( hint: they are all socialism )
Mises Daily Mises Institute
Hayek on nazism....
Nazism is Socialism
Franco's fascism...more socialism...
Articles Leftist Mythology of the Spanish Civil War
Foss and Gerahty during the war wrote of Franco: "He was in no sense a 'Fascist' leader. At the outside, when the present struggle broke out, there were not more than 8,000 Falangistas in Spain, and even that party was not 'Fascist'"
[ii] and they note that if Franco wins: "Spain...will be in essence a Socialist State."
Hamilton writes of Falangist icon Primo de Rivera: "[His] views on the Church, the landowners, the age-old problems of Spain, were decidedly Left-wing. Even making allowance for the fact that such radical views are a customary part of fascist tactics, the similarity of his views to those of extreme Leftists was remarkable. In the spring of 1936, for example, when he was contesting a by-election at Cuenca against a Socialist candidate, he professed complete agreement with the views of his opposition on all except one point - autonomy for Catalonia and the Basque provinces"
[vi] and Hamilton observes that "Many extreme Leftists in fact had joined the Phalanx."
[vii] Cardozo wrote in his 1937 book,
The March of a Nation: "There are Falangists...little different from the Socialists they have been fighting"
[viii] and quotes Franco: "I want Labour to be protected in every way against the abuses of Capitalism."
Why people are confused about fascism, socialism and communism to this day...
Articles Rethinking the Political Spectrum
Fascism is Merely Heretical Communism Like Liberalism Conservative Colloquium
More sources R.J. Rummel....and pipes...
Rudy (R.J.) Rummel is a Professor Emeritus of Political Science. He has published twenty-four nonfiction books (one that received an award for being among the most referenced; another was rated the 26th most important of the last century), six novels, and about 100 peer-reviewed professional articles; has received the Susan Strange Award of the International Studies Association in 1999 for having intellectually most challenged the field; and in 2003 was awarded the Lifetime Achievement Award from the Conflict Processes Section, American Political Science Association. He has been frequently nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize. His website is
here.
Hitler Was A Socialist And Not A Right Wing Conservative DemocraticPeace Blog
Mussolini’s fascism was a state socialism that was explicitly anti-Marx and aggressively nationalistic. Hitler’s National Socialismwas state socialism at its worse. It not only shared the socialism of fascism, but was explicitly racist. In this it differs from the state socialism of Burma today, and that of some African and Arab dictatorships.
Two prevailing historical myths that the left has propagated successfully is that Hitler was a far right wing conservative and was democratically elected in 1933 (a blow at bourgeois democracy and conservatives). Actually, he was defeated twice in the national elections (he became chancellor in a smoke-filled-room appointment by those German politicians who thought they could control him — see “What? Hitler Was Not Elected?”) and as head of the National Socialist German Workers’ Party, he considered himself a socialist, and was one by the evidence of his writings and the his economic policies.
To be clear, National Socialism differs from Marxism in its nationalism, emphasis on folk history and culture, idolization of the leader, and its racism. But the Nazi and Marxist-Leninists shared a faith in government, an absolute ruler, totalitarian control over all significant economic and social matters for the good of the working man, concentration camps, and genocide/democide as an effective government policy (only in his last years did Stalin plan for his own Holocaust of the Jews
His book, "Death by Government" is great. I think I donated my copy to the library so eventually I'll have to reaquire it for my kindle.
Also, another great book, "Property and Freedom," By Richard Pipes.
From wikipedia on Mr. Pipes:
Richard Pipes - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
Pipes taught at
Harvard University from 1950 until his retirement in 1996. He was the director of Harvard's Russian Research Center from 1968 to 1973 and is now Baird Professor
Emeritus of
History at
Harvard University. In 1962 he delivered a series of lectures on Russian intellectual history at Leningrad University. He acted as senior consultant at the Stanford Research Institute from 1973 to 1978. During the 1970s, he was an advisor to
Washington Senator
Henry M. Jackson. In 1981 and 1982 he served as a member of the
National Security Council, holding the post of Director of East European and Soviet Affairs under President
Ronald Reagan.[SUP]
[5][/SUP] Pipes was a member of the
Committee on the Present Danger from 1977 until 1992 and belongs to the
Council of Foreign Relations. In the 1970s, Pipes was a leading critic of
détente, which he described as "inspired by intellectual indolence and based on ignorance of one's antagonist and therefore inherently inept".[SUP]
[6][/SUP]
http://www.fff.org/freedom/0999h.asp
Pipes concisely and impressively analyzes the differences and similarities in
20th-century Soviet communism, Italian fascism, and German national socialism.
All three systems shared a common hatred for classical liberalism and the
institution of private property. While the Soviets abolished private property
outright and imposed central planning, in fascist Italy and Nazi Germany most
property remained nominally in private hands but was completely controlled and
directed by government central command. His detailed summary of the Nazi
economic system clearly shows that (contrary to the Marxian claim) capitalism
was destroyed under national socialism.
R.J. Rummel
Hitler Was A Socialist And Not A Right Wing Conservative DemocraticPeace Blog
Richard Poe...
A Little Secret About the Nazis They were left-wing socialists like the modern left of today
hitler and the nazis...more...
HITLER WAS A SOCIALIST
